2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe FBI investigation, it now seems, is the chopper in her rear view mirror.
From the LA Times, March 27, 2016:
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Prosecutors also are expected to seek an interview with Clinton herself, though the timing remains unclear.
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The interviews by FBI agents and prosecutors will play a significant role in helping them better understand whether Clinton or her aides knowingly or negligently discussed classified government secrets over a non-secure email system when she served as secretary of State.
The meetings also are an indication that much of the investigators' background work recovering deleted emails, understanding how the server operated and determining whether it was breached is nearing completion.
The interviews are critical to understand the volume of information they have accumulated, said James McJunkin, former head of the FBI's Washington field office. They are likely nearing the end of the investigation and the agents need to interview these people to put the information in context. They will then spend time aligning these statements with other information, emails, classified documents, etc., to determine whether there is a prosecutable case."
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Lawyers for her closest aides Huma Abedin, Jake Sullivan, Cheryl Mills and Philippe Renes either did not respond to messages or declined to comment.
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In August, the FBI obtained the server and has since recovered most, if not all, of the deleted correspondence, said a person familiar with the investigation.
FBI agents have finished their review of the server and the correspondence turned over by Clinton to the State Department. They have interviewed a number of former aides so they could better understand how the system was used and why Clinton chose to use it, the person said.
From the WaPo, March 27, 2016
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Early on June 17, 2011, Clinton grew impatient as she waited for talking points about a sensitive matter that had to be delivered via a secure line.
They say theyve had issues sending secure fax. Theyre working on it, Sullivan wrote his boss.
Clinton told him to take a shortcut.
If they cant, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure, she said.
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Security remained a constant concern. On June 28, 2011, in response to reports that Gmail accounts of government workers had been targeted by online adversaries, a note went out over Clintons name urging department employees to avoid conducting official Department business from your personal email accounts.
But she herself ignored the warning and continued using her BlackBerry and the basement server.
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Clinton lawyer David Kendall later told the State Department that her use of personal email was consistent with the practices of other Secretaries of State, citing Powell in particular, according to a letter he wrote in August.
But Powells circumstances also differed from Clintons in notable ways.
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Powell conducted virtually all of his classified communications on paper or over a State Department computer installed on his desk that was reserved for classified information, according to interviews. Clinton never had such a desktop or a classified email account, according to the State Department.
So, as Secretary of State, she never had a classified email account, because 'it wasn't convenient' for her????
How can that type of judgment be allowed to stand, as she thrust incalculable risk on our national security, notwithstanding her repeated use of her position as Secretary of State to benefit the bottom line of the Clinton Foundation?
Under Hillary Clinton, the State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments had given millions to the Clinton Foundation. Photo: Scott Olson/Getty Images (Via IBTimes)
[font color= red][font size= 3]How can all of this be allowed to stand?[/font][/font]
Live Bait
(93 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Hillary Clinton if America is REALLY AMERICA SHOULD UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES BE ... ABOVE THE LAW!
840high
(17,196 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)10 ways America has come to resemble a banana republic
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/11/10_ways_america_has_come_to_resemble_a_banana_republic
amborin
(16,631 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)shoulda used a magnet
peacebird
(14,195 posts)State Dept with NO OVERSIGHT by anyone in the govt as to whether they were actually personal or were related to State dept business.
seafan
(9,387 posts)I would wager that this deleted "personal" correspondence revolved around the deals she made as Secretary that would directly benefit the Clinton Foundation. As I'm sure you already know, this is another of several angles of FBI investigation now underway.
It's certainly going to be an interesting year.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Let's see what kind of Justice we got... justice for the FEW... OR... JUSTICE FOR ALL NO MATTER YOUR POSITION OR CONNECTIONS?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Along with Bill, Chelsea and Hillary's aids non .Gov accounts. The FBI has everything!
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)given the way she used her position at State to reward the Foundation cronies
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)if the article is to be believed.
I would say that the FBI needs to make a call soon, or things are going to get very ugly. Actually, i tihnk things will get ugly either way.
paulthompson
(2,398 posts)The 30,000 deleted e-mails could be a whole pile of smoking guns. Multiple media reports going to back late last year says the FBI recovered all of them, which means they've had at least half a year to go through them. And reports say they've been sorting them into work related and personal, which means Clinton lied when she said they were all personal in nature.
We do know that some of the deleted e-mail relate to the Libya war, because some showed up in the Republican (and generally bogus) Benghazi investigation, due to finding e-mails from Clinton in the in-boxes of other people.
I think Clinton is in a lot of trouble. I think she figured those deleted e-mails would be gone for good. After all, that's what happened to Karl Rove. Remember how thousands of his e-mails disappeared, never to be seen again? But someone in Clinton's camp messed up and didn't make those 30,000 e-mails disappear for good.
1monster
(11,012 posts)is there forever. Be careful. There are people sittin' in the pokey because of what they put on their computers thinking that they had deleted it permanently.
If you put something on there you don't want to get out, it can (and most likely will) come back to haunt you.
amborin
(16,631 posts)stored in the cloud by one of the firms hired to handle the server?
as for the Benghazi investigation: it might have been bogus, but she was lying during her testimony:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511468802
Zira
(1,054 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)as it turns out "wiping with a cloth" leaves a residue
grasswire
(50,130 posts)She was using the private server to run a rogue foreign policy operation out of sight of President Obama. Using the Foundation as a pay-to-play operation where heads of states got arms deals in exchange for donations to the Foundation. And other nefarious activities. She was using informants declared BANNED from the State Department by Obama himself. And she even had the gall to use that flawed intel to pressure Obama to attack in Libya.
The server is a minor part of her troubles.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)She's running for POTUS to CYA & grant herself immunity.
.. or so it would seem.
amborin
(16,631 posts)responsible for the chaos, mayhem, and strengthening of ISIS
I recall HRC stating emphatically "Not going to happen" to a question posed regarding further investigations, can't remember the exact wording... except for the response in quotes.. Left me thinking that a deal had done and it was over with. But these reports make it appear her confidence was just a tad bit unjustified.. unless the LA Times and other publications didn't get the memo yet.
In any event I'm not looking forward to the effect this is going to have if this drags out into the General.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Breaking the law is considered to be "just business" these days. It's really astounding to see how we don't even pretend there's not a double standard in play now.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Calls to letter slide and will instead ... HOLD HILLARY TO ACCOUNT FOR HER ACTIONS THAT PLACED US AT RISK!
840high
(17,196 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)will that be made public? is it up to the Justice Dept?
2banon
(7,321 posts)as far as I know.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)But I do think it bears being investigating.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)We all know what is around the next bend
Biaviians
(167 posts)yodermon
(6,143 posts)He was telegraphing that they should switch to him if she's indicted.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)that seems rather excessive or it must be a huge thing?
2banon
(7,321 posts)That image of a train wreck around the next bend is so apropo regardless.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)merely picking on her, because how dare she be held to the same safety concerns as everybody else.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That's an awful lot of feds to be standing around looking at nothing.
PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)What makes it even more so is that on here whenever it comes up, the accusation is that the people posting the numerous OPs on the subject are 'parroting Republican talking points.'
As much as I would like to believe that, I cannot. The LA Times is publishing this. There have been numerous stories from many news outlets on the emails, the server, her aides, legal immunity for techies and so on.
This is serious, and if Clinton gets the nomination, could implode as a nice 'October surprise' and lose us the election, which would take the Supreme Court into the realm of darkness for the next generation.
To the establishment: Is Bernie REALLY so bad that you're willing to allow this to happen????
Really??????????
All he wants to do is bring back the New Deal, and add single payer health care to it.
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Note to the oligarchs - whose people doubtless are reading posts on this site among others - just throw the American people these little tiny bones - spread the wealth just a tiny bit. Do this, and you will postpone the bloody revolution that is sure to come within a decade if you do not. Heck, you can fuck the middle class for the next 75 years, just as they did after the New Deal was implemented. People say FDR was an enemy of his class, but he was actually a genius for it. America would have gone red for sure if not for him. He bought you people nearly a century. Why not let Sanders buy you another? You're gonna make PLENTY of money because people who are happy, unstressed, don't have to worry about healthcare or sending their kids to college BUY MORE STUFF. They really do. A large, economically secure middle class is a REALLY GOOD IDEA.
Otherwise, guys, you'll get fucking Trump and if you think you can control him and his neo-Nazis, revisit transcripts from the Nuremberg Trials and especially look at the testimony of the big German industrialists who thought they could 'control' Hitler. Sure, Hitler re-armed Germany and they made plenty of money, but then he led them into a war that cost over 80 million lives, left Germany and most of Europe and Asia in ruins, and in the end caused the deaths of many of the industrialists and aristocrats either by violence or at the end of a noose. You really want that? Because at the end you might find yourselves in the dock being tried for your lives. Just pointing that out...
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)We need Bernie Sanders.
Especially to combat Climate Change, work on rectifying the economy, and to pull back from endless wars. Yes, he will be just as tough on racial injustice - tougher even.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)with a Clinton supporter. You just get hit with name calling, and I have long gotten sick of it.
Just put them on ignore.
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)love your note to the 1%
we are not asking for 20 vacation homes or fancy private jets or anything close
we are asking for healthcare as a right,education as a right
we are saying that if the 1%'s children can have anything they desire to eat,that the 99s children at least have basic nutrition
Myrina
(12,296 posts)n/t
renate
(13,776 posts)Buzz cook
(2,470 posts)She seems tough and determined.
Odd if there is trouble for mishandling classified material, that wasn't classified till after she left the office of Secretary of State.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)voting for such a corrupt politician.
It isn't exactly news that she speaks out of both sides of her mouth. I'm a woman and I see no examples of sexism other than the ones she blatantly supported - namely her husband screwing and screwing over any number of women.
Do not get into a conversation about sexism and Hillary Clinton.
Or do it, and face the mine field.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)there is gambling going on in here.
Zira
(1,054 posts)The FBI had to recover all the mails she deleted.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Your words: "How can all of this be allowed to stand?" ask newsmax or freerepublic
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)I, for one, care very deeply. I voted for President Clinton twice, as well as twice for President Obama. No more kool aid (aka Information Operations/perception management) for me. I search for the truth wherever it is found.
Bill Clinton pardon controversy (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)You hate the Clintons. But lots of people don't. Bill Clinton created 23 million jobs. Democrats loooovvve him. And so do I.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)BCCI, Iran Contra relevance: UAE, Saudi, Pakistan, money and Bush family (ProSense DU 2006)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2870996
History teaches US so much, thanks for starting this thread seafan.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)I know most people don't believe that, but I do. I think right now Hillary's chickens are picking out their roosting spots.