Democrats in Denial: Hillary's Email/FBI Issues NBD, Edwards would NEVER cheat on his wife

[IdaBriggs]

let alone have a child he didn't acknowledge with another woman while his wife was dealing with breast cancer, and Bill never had sexual relations with "that woman"!

NBD = No Big Deal

Well, John's mistress was named Riley, the child's name is Frances, and the two continued their relationship through February 2015 (per Wikipedia), Bill got impeached because oral counts, and the FBI does not devote 150 people to investigating something unless they think some kind of major crime is involved.

If you don't like Bernie, who else do you think would be a good pick?

I personally think Bernie is the perfect candidate because he has actually been out there fighting for it and is not beholden to the people who appear to be involved with the folks being investigated by the FBI.

And for those who really believe the Clintons have been working strictly for the good of humanity, kindly get your fingers out of your ears, because they are NOT Jimmy Carter!!!

[PatrickforO]

1. Agreed. Clinton is a much, much weaker candidate than Sanders.

If she's our nominee, there will be an 'October surprise' indictment and she will LOSE us the election.

[Kelvin Mace]

2. The cognitive dissonance among HRC supporters is staggering

I can never get past her bragging about Kissinger being her friend and advisor.

[insta8er]

64. Let me just say it before "they" do, we are men and how possibly could we understand "them"

[JoePhilly]

3. John Edwards had an affair, so clearly Hillary is going to be indicted.

[NWCorona]

5. The Edwards example just highlights how people run when they clearly shouldn't be

[IdaBriggs]

7. It is called an analogy. It is a noun.

Analogy: "a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification"

I hope this explanation helps you in your reading comprehension skills going forward in life.

[JoePhilly]

17. What it is, is silly.

Now come down from your high horse before you fall and hurt yourself

[IdaBriggs]

28. And "denial is not just a river in Egypt" for the lose - thank you for playing! nt

[JoePhilly]

45. Very original.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. I am not an ethicist but I don't see how cheating on your dying life is tantamount...

I am not an ethicist but I don't see how cheating on your dying life is tantamount to using a private e-mail server.

[IdaBriggs]

13. A valid point - his cheating was morally horrible. Her "mistake" is

Being investigated for CRIMINAL INDICTMENT.

My analogy was more about how difficult it is for people to accept having been deceived by people we like, up until the evidence is beyond irrefutable.

I personally did not want to believe Edwards was such a skeeve. They celebrated their anniversary at a fast food restaurant, for heaven's sake. It was romantic and loving.

And he talked a married guy into pretending to be the father of his child. ICK.

Meanwhile, "just a private server" ended up with screen shots of Hillary's emails circling the globe *before* anyone in the public eye knew it existed. No danger to national security there!

on the "no danger" bit

[bigtree]

4. here's one that's really absurd

...'republicans would support Sanders more than they would Hillary'

The more Sanders and his supporters push this right-wing republican bullshit, the more you all's credibility crumbles. I don't believe a fucking thing any of you say, at this point.

[think]

9. Bernie is honest. Some Republicans find that refreshing.

[randome]

10. His supporters, not so much.

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[think]

12. So there really isn't an FBI investigation of the presumptive Democratic nominee for president?

[randome]

26. No. There isn't. Clinton is not the subject of an investigation.

By the very logic of the OP, we should also fear that Sanders has some dark, unseemly past because, well, sometimes seemingly good people are really evil. Right?
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[think]

29. OK. For a minute there I thought investigation centered on Hillary's use of a private email server

Silly me...

[randome]

51. The more you trash-talk Clinton, the less likely you will be supported.

I've said it before: it's hard not to at least root for Sanders to fail because of the smart-ass, vindictive, foul-mouthed supporters I see on DU every day. The last thing in the world I would want is for those posters to get validation.
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[KPN]

57. So what do you do? Trash-talk Bernie supporters.

Bet that works wonders for you -- I'm sure you feel better.

We Berners don't need to trash. All we gotta do is point out Hillary's record, including her flip flops (some call those lies, deceptions), and the issues she's embroiled in --email server, PAC funding/in bed w/ corporations Wall St., etc. .... It's about facts, not trash.

[randome]

58. I don't really trash-talk Sanders.

Contrary to most Clinton supporters, I think he could win handily against Trump. And I don't particularly like Clinton but I have to acknowledge that the math is with her at this point.

Sure, Clinton has some 'image problems' to overcome but the email thing is not one of them. Periodic OPs like this to 'remind' us that she used a private server contribute nothing to the discussion. It's not like any minds are going to be swayed one way or another so why bother starting an OP if not simply to start yet another online fight?

It's the same with the periodic 'reminders' about the math. No one's going to change their minds so why don't we wait and see what happens next?
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[Buns_of_Fire]

60. So just put 'em on Ignore and be done with it.

Personally, I won't allow a couple smart-ass, vindictive, and foul-mouthed Bernie supporters to influence my decision any more than I'll allow a couple arrogant, dismissive, and entitled Hillary supporters to influence it.

But do as you think best, by whatever criteria you choose. I remember back when people voted for Kennedy over Nixon simply because Nixon had a sweaty lip during their debates.

[randome]

71. Hey, it was the glorious dawn of pervasive television!

No, I won't be put anyone on Ignore. Never have, never will. If I want to ignore the seething cauldron of online discussions, I'll just step away from DU for a while. Which is something I should do more often, come to think of it.
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[JoePhilly]

20. + 1

[BreakfastClub]

78. I kind of doubt that. nt

[cosmicone]

23. Yeah ....

Republicans are really chomping at the bits to have confiscatory tax to dole out free stuff.

[think]

33. It's not "Free Stuff". It's SINGLE PAYER. Are you that afraid of the GOP that you can't even call

it what it is?

[ljm2002]

61. "confiscatory tax to dole out free stuff"...

...so I guess that means you're one of those Republicans who supports Hillary then?

[Fast Walker 52]

67. I bet lower income Republicans would prefer his redistributionist policies as long as you

don't call it socialism.

[cosmicone]

70. Yeah ....

I see a million "Joe the plumbers" lining up already...

[Dem2]

6. BENGHAZI!

BENGHAZI!! right-wing crap isn't going anywhere.

[IdaBriggs]

11. Turns out the Benghazi investigation is leading to an FBI interview.

White Water was nothing but the next thing you know, Bill got impeached.

Wait!

Is it possible Hillary (who once famously assured the American public her husband would never cheat on her) might be WRONG AGAIN?

[Dem2]

14. Pushing the right wing scandal machine?

If there's one thing that makes people dislike Bernie supporters more than anything, it's coddling the right wing attack machine for political gain.

It's despicable.

I like Bernie a lot, many of his supporters, not so much.

[Dem2]

22. LMAO!!

The email thing is 100% Benghazi derived, to deny that is delusional.

[Dem2]

41. C'mon.

You know that's not true.

State Department Turns Over 1,600 Newly-Discovered Clinton Documents to Benghazi Committee

1 day ago
The House Select Committee on Benghazi announced it received the records on Friday, ...

You were saying?

[IdaBriggs]

31. Do you even know where Benghazi is?

Or why it was/is significant? Or do you just repeat the word because you think it means something?

[Dem2]

40. It's a committee designed to destroy a Democratic candidate, as admitted to by it's members.

You can convince yourself now that it was not if it suits you.

State Department Turns Over 1,600 Newly-Discovered Clinton Documents to Benghazi Committee

1 day ago
The House Select Committee on Benghazi announced it received the records on Friday, ...

You were saying?

[IdaBriggs]

24. So you believe the FBI and the NSA are now owned by the Right Wing?

Look, I am a reasonable person. I support Bernie. I can't support Clinton for a multitude of reasons, but honestly, I don't think she's going to make it to the convention before stuff starts flying.

I base this on my own reading and understanding of the situation.

If you don't agree that Bernie would be a good President, who else do you want there?

There are thousands of good quality Democrats in this country. If Hillary drops out due to "personal business" do you want to default to Bernie, or do you have another preference?

[Dem2]

27. BENGHAZI!!!!!! = fake email scandal

They wouldn't even be investigating this if it wasn't for that bullshit committee.

You know what? Go ahead, help the right-wingers take down our candidate.

Did I not say I like Bernie a lot? Why make shit up out of thin air? I LIKE BERNIE.

It's his awful attack dog supporters who ruin it for him. I like him IN SPITE of jerks who hate Hillary and love Bernie.

I like them both.

[Dem2]

39. Right-wing attack machine.

You can convince yourself now that it was not if it suits you.

State Department Turns Over 1,600 Newly-Discovered Clinton Documents to Benghazi Committee

1 day ago
The House Select Committee on Benghazi announced it received the records on Friday, ...

You were saying?

[IdaBriggs]

47. Dude, you just proved the point -- how can you not get this?

She was subpoenaed for stuff. She said it didn't exist. That was a lie.

The committee found out she lied because other people submitted the stuff because they had copies of the emails, too.

That is called cover-up, and it took President Richard Nixon out of the White House.

Then we start getting into the content of the emails....

[Dem2]

50. Yes, as initiated by the right-wing attack machine

You admitted the right-wing Benghazi committee poked and prodded until they were able to find something they thought was untoward, even though it was unrelated to Benghazi directly.

You promote those who set up a committee designed deliberately to "get" Hillary, by hook or by crook.

Good job.

[IdaBriggs]

54. Denial. In this scenario, your candidate is a victim.

The Benghazi committee did their job - they found out someone was a) making bad decisions, b) sharing top secret communication with someone who didn't have clearance, c) illegally in possession of government property at a private residence, d) lying/spreading misinformation to the public about an attack on American diplomatic personnel, and e) netted information that has kept 150 FBI agents investigating criminal behavior.

To you, it looks like an attack on a Democrat. To me, I am shocked to say I think they were actually doing their job.

I think I just puked a little in my mouth. ICK.

ON EDIT: Benghazi is in Libya. Go google Blumenthal Libya and Blackwater to see why anyone cares.

Kind of done now. Sigh.

[Half-Century Man]

63. Another analogy

Barney pulls over an out of town car and goes on a forty five minute rant about safety making the driver repeatedly cycle all the lights. Andy walks up to see what the commotion is all about, and sees the handle of a revolver sticking out from under the passenger seat. While searching the car, Andy finds 100 kilos of meth in the trunk next to a dead hooker.

The most controversial episode of "Andy Griffith" ever (snark).




Okay, the FBI is searching the car now. Everybody else is standing across the street speculation on what might be happening. Will they find any meth, a dead hooker, neither, or both?
When 150 Feds are carefully disassembling that car and tagging everything, it looks like something big is going on. Far more than proving a tail light was flickering due to corroded connections.

[Dem2]

52. Nothing will come from these attempts to disqualify her

I do admire your tenacity, however.

[pinebox]

49. The FBI is under the jurisdication of the Obama administration

You are aware of this, correct?
Dude you had better start reading up. You can start here http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-email-probe-20160327-story.html

[St Aug girl]

80. Sorry that is not true.

The FBI investigation started out of civil lawsuit on a FOIA request when the State Department found that it had zero records to disclose because they were archived on her private server because she did not use (apparently even once) her State Department issued email. It did not arise due to the Congressional hearing.

[St Aug girl]

81. The Inspecter General of the DOS

Submitted a referral when DOS realized it had zero Hillary emails in violation of FOIA. Stop blaming this situation on Bengahzi.

[Dem2]

82. OK, but the Benghazi!! committee got the ball rolling.

Other requests for Clinton records met the same fate — until the State Department received a demand from the newly formed House Select Committee on Benghazi in July 2014. The committee wanted Clinton’s email, among other things, to see what she and others knew about the deadly attack in Libya and the response by the U.S. government.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/how-clintons-email-scandal-took-root/2016/03/27/ee301168-e162-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html

[pdsimdars]

65. Why don't you guys stop with the "people dislike Bernie supporters" bull sh*t

That's just a meme, just another lie, doesn't exist in nature. It's something they made up so they'd have something to say, another finger to point.
If people dislike people, it's American voters who don't like Hillary, as seen in poll after poll. And they don't trust her either.

[Lizzie Poppet]

18. FBI (and thus, at the top, Obama) =/= right wing

Right wing my skinny pale ass. This is an FBI investigation under a liberal, Democratic president's authority. This isn't partisan politics.

[Dem2]

25. Bullshit!!

Do I have to keep reposting how the email "thing" was directly derived from the Benghazi!! boondoggle?

Please!

[NWCorona]

35. Actually you are wrong

It was because of a FOIA suit that the was picked up by the committee.

[IdaBriggs]

38. Yep - apparently since nothing was on the government servers,

All FOIA search requests were coming up blank. One of the questions is whether that was one of the reasons it was done that way - to hide illegal activity from the public.

Almost 70K emails, and they only turned over half/deleted the rest because "they weren't work related".

Except the FBI recovered them, and oops! She was mistaken AGAIN.

[noiretextatique]

73. Thanks for pointing that out...dead wrong

But it still hasn't stopped this poster.

[Lizzie Poppet]

59. Golly, what a convincing argument!

You can re-post ill-considered twaddle all you like. Won't make it one whit more convincing.

[amborin]

21. did you ever read her testimony? she lied repeatedly. The emails revealed this and were used against

her during the proceedings:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511468802

Separately from this is the original crime----pressuring Obama to bomb Libya. The NY Times exposed this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511362141

[dchill]

46. +2

[cosmicone]

19. Meh ... n/t

[John Poet]

34. John Edwards, unlike Bill Clinton, had no known history

of marital infidelity prior to that affair...


So I think I had at least some reason to be surprised at the way he jumped the shark there...

Damned politicians...

[IdaBriggs]

36. I was so disappointed in him.

I really liked him, prior to discovering he was scum. I felt so bad for his family - what a mess!

[snagglepuss]

62. I was one who didn't believe the stories for the longest time.

What is similar and disturbing is that both of them seem so undevious (yeah i know its not a word, but can't think of another word that fits). Bill OTOH has from the very get go struck me as slick and devious)

[John Poet]

37. Screw the email thing, that'll get resolved one way or another, BUT--

leaks say that the larger portion of FBI agents are devoted to investigating possible corruption and QUID PRO QUOS between money received by the Clinton Foundation from foreign countries, and actions taken by Hillary's State Department in favor of those countries.

If there's anything there, then THAT is the much bigger 'problem' with her, easier for the public-at-large to understand, and goes way beyond violating security protocols, illegal though that may be...


Not a 'problem'-- but a complete campaign killer.

[IdaBriggs]

42. Agreed, but the fact that the EMAILS ARE EVIDENCE

is getting ignored because "it's just an email server tech thingy" so who cares?

Except the FBI was able to retrieve the emails she and her staff deleted which is a whole nother world of hurt.

[Marr]

55. Yeah, it compounds the problem.

If this thing really is about Clinton essentially selling her services as Secretary of State to foreign interests, the presidency is a non-issue. She'll be lucky to stay out of a prison cell.

[IdaBriggs]

56. That is one of the best, single sentence summations I have EVER READ.

[IdaBriggs]

75. Do you have any objection to my quoting this line in other threads?

It is a brilliant summation of the real problem.

[Marr]

79. Oh no problem. :D

And thank you, by the way.

[Cobalt Violet]

43. Their denial is endangering a lot of people.

Bernie is the most electable and for them to dismiss him for someone unlikable with the 150 fbi on her tail is just maddening and foolish beyond words.

I will keep donating to keep Bernie going. My car repairs can wait. This is way more important.

[Motown_Johnny]

44. Nobody really knows what will or won't happen with this.

I understand that the hero worshiping devotees of Hillary have convinced themselves that it is nothing, but there is no evidence to base that on.

Some Bernie supporters believe that there will be some major fall out from this, but there is no evidence to base that on either.


We need to just ride this out. With any luck, something will be announced by the time the convention rolls around.

Of course, then The House and Senate investigative committees will fire up and turn it into another Benghazi witch hunt, but we are not there yet. It is reasonable to assume that the conclusions of the FBI will be fact based and not just political leverage.


Lets just hope the FBI finishes up before the GE heats up. If not, it could get ugly.

[randome]

53. What? Not taking sides? THEN YOU'RE PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!

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[pdsimdars]

66. I've been reading these things and it definitely seems to be "something big"

My main question is if anything will actually happen. will there be any consequences? I read a lot of the opinions, . but the rich and powerful always tend to get away with it. What ever happened with Reagan and the arms deal with the contras? It is sickening. . . But Nixon had to step down.
Where is the threshhold or the rhyme and reason that would give us a handle as to what might be the consequences?
Will she really be able to waltz right through the race to the convention and possibly beyond?

[LexVegas]

68. Independents in Denial: Sanders can appeal to a large percentage of minorities. nt

[IdaBriggs]

69. So (if Hillary steps out due to "personal reasons") who do you like instead?

Assuming it all has to be negotiated at the convention (like may happen to the Republicans)?

Kerry is phenomenal at state/lost and didn't fight in 2004, Biden is still dealing with the loss of his son, Warren is very powerful in the Senate -- what are your preferences?

Treat it as a hypothetical, worst case scenario. I still like Bernie personally, but I always saw O'Malley as "fighting for VP" and don't know much else about him.

[noiretextatique]

74. He just did: HI, MI, OK, and AK

What's your point?

[AzDar]

72. K & R

[vi5]

76. This is what really worries me.....

I never, ever in a million years believed Edwards would run for president, accept the VP slot or seek a national profile while having an affair while his wife was battling cancer. I never believed ANYONE could be that fucking stupid.

Since finding out the truth I don't assume ANYONE no matter how politically savvy they are would not be THAT...FUCKING....STUPID.

That's not to say I think Hillary's e-mails are anything other than the usual witch hunt, but the fact is that sometimes witch hunts turn up the unexpected.

[BreakfastClub]

77. Edwards has zero to do with Hillary. ZERO. Bad analogy. nt

[IdaBriggs]

83. Disagree - the level of unnecessary STUPIDITY being displayed

is shockingly similar.

All she had to do to avoid the "email scandal" was use a dratted desktop for work and keep her personal Clinton Foundation stuff separate Just Like All the Other Employed Grown-Ups Do.

Now her supporters are going to do the denial/betrayal dance, just like we all did with Edwards.