The Hillary Camp has crossed the line w/ this new "Bernie snapping at his wife" video...

[HerbChestnut]

This is truly disgusting behavior by the Clinton campaign, David Brock, and anyone who uses this video to paint Sanders in a negative light. This is the definition of a negative personal attack. It has nothing to do with the issues, and it is only meant to antagonize people and smear Bernie's name. Truly, truly disgusting.

[djean111]

1. The video's nastiness represents Hillary and her minions perfectly.

I could never vote for or support that. Never. She and Trump sure seem to have a lot in common, don't they? Smearing marital relationships.

Almost wish Bernie was the kind of guy who would bring up the many Bill Clinton infidelities - now THAT's no way to treat a woman, I would have thought.

[roguevalley]

35. I guess they forgot when Bill let Hill go out to defend him against his cheating even when he

knew he was guilty as hell. Too bad they opened this can of worms.

[lagomorph777]

45. She's obviously an admirer of the Trumpster and Ken Starr

Disgusting.

[salinsky]

83. I don't know how you can bitch about the video's "nastiness" ...

... from what I've seen, the video is fairly straightforward.

At best, Bernie is seen being openly dismissive to his wife.

At worst, he is seen being rude and mildly hostile to his wife.

[stillwaiting]

2. Yes. It is truly disgusting. I can not stand HRC after this campaign and it's ALL her fault. nt

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

6. And what's worse is they will lay all the blame on us if Hillary loses... claiming we spoiled it. nt

[berni_mccoy]

3. WTF! Where is this?

[JonLeibowitz]

4. Brock Nation Review

http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-dont-stand-next-to-me/

[DCBob]

13. I dont really see anything wrong with what Bernie did there.

A bit of a stretch to say he pushed her off.

Im a Hillary supporter. No need for this kind of stuff. This is what Trump and the other GOP candidates do.

[JonLeibowitz]

17. my theory is he know he gesticulates when he speaks and didn't want to whack his wife/staffer

The optics of that would be really bad.

But I don't know for sure. It isn't a big deal but Brock wants to make it so -- negative campaigning.

[DCBob]

21. Yes. That's a possibility.

I hope the Hillary campaign tells them to pull that. Its crap imo.

[arcane1]

25. Don't get your hopes up, Brock is doing the exact job he was hired to do n/t

[riderinthestorm]

50. Well you could start with the nastiness right here on DU about it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511588010

[bettyellen]

96. That was exactly my thought. I hate having people very close by when I am conversing because

I have back handed them, knocked over drinks, etc etc. That would have been awful.

This video is stupid. Can't imagine anyone giving a shit.

[hollysmom]

30. here is the thing Bob,

I speak up in the Sanders forums when I think someone has gone too far, I am for keeping the debate on a decent level. we alson need Clinton supporters to speak out when it goes too far. this is too far.

[riderinthestorm]

67. Oh lookie, another thread smearing the Sanders' marriage

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511594554

[polly7]

70. I fucking hate that anyone USES this phony bullshit to try to appeal to women there ...

many have experienced real abuse and some have almost died from it. This type of dishonesty and propaganda is pure, hateful bullshit and I'm more afraid of those who push it than the person they're trying to smear. Honestly ...... I wouldn't be in the same room as some of these posters - they reveal themselves completely here.

[riderinthestorm]

71. Exactly. Its a really despicable meme. nt

[Jitter65]

55. Why are you laying this video at the feet of the Hillary campaign? nt

[riderinthestorm]

78. Because its been put out by David Brock, Hillary’s hired propagandist nt

[DCBob]

5. What video?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Armstead]

29. This video

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1593090

[tk2kewl]

65. not fer nuthin...

Brock is a scumbag...

but that wasn't much anyway, was it? Am I missing something?

[riderinthestorm]

97. Brock and minions have created a whole meme that Bernie is disrespectful

of his wife, so insinuating (whisper whisper ), he's sexist and or they have a bad marriage. ...

...which of course has exploded here that he must make her do all the household work and other shit.

You're right. By itself its nothing - its the additional shit fabricated from it.

[peace13]

7. Yes the Clinton's are the last people that should give marital advice or comments.

Simply posting a little blue dress or a cigar communicates so much. That being said, we don't go there.

[Ned_Devine]

8. They're so fucking gross

[arcane1]

9. And now the cowards are getting out of a NY debate by saying Sanders' campaign is "negative"

Not an honest bone in any of their bodies.

[CoffeeCat]

34. Yes, and Bernie only agreed to do more debates

if Clinton agreed to do a debate in April, May and June.

That was the agreement. Clinton needed more debates (after Debbie had scheduled so few to give Hillary the advantage when she was the clear frontrunner). When her frontrunner status was in peril--she wanted more debates.

Bernie said I'll do more debates, but only if we agree to April, May and June debates.

She's a big, fat liar and an chump if she breaks their agreement.

Didn't they both sign this agreement?

[NWCorona]

10. Where's the comment section on that link?

[Karmadillo]

11. I wonder if Bill thought this attack up while flying on the Lolita Express.

[jillan]

12. Yep they have now entered Trump Land - bringing the wives in as a way to attack the competition.

Why don't we talk about the awkwardness of this photo instead?

[Barack_America]

14. Desperate to keep the narrative off the FBI.

[Scuba]

15. The smell of desperation.

[JimDandy]

16. Bookmarked for the Hillary camp negative naysayers.

[onehandle]

18. Like the 'Not Hillary' Party wouldn't jump on a video of Hillary being grumpy. nt

[Avalux]

19. THIS is why I cannot vote for Hillary. Acting like fucking Republican scum. n/t

[BernieforPres2016]

22. Look further down that page at the scummy Brock publication

There's an article on Hillary's campaign welcoming Republicans for Hillary. I find it easier to understand why a Republican would support Hillary than I do why a Democrat would.

[Avalux]

24. Me too. Heck - David Brock is on her side.

I wonder how much she paid the former conservative American Spectator writer to help her out. He once said this about Hillary:

Dangerous character flaws

Hillary Clinton set up a bogus advisory committee [while working on education reform in Arkansas] and staged an elaborate public consultation process to validate a preconceived initiative. She gave the appearance of working very much within the established political process, building consensus and seeking votes, while short-circuiting debate within her own advisory group. She also discovered the usefulness of identifying an enemy and demonizing it to galvanize public support. Thus the idea that the failure of health care reform was largely due to Hillary’s political inexperience cannot be sustained. … Unfortunately for Hillary, the same tendencies and characteristics that had worked for her in Arkansas, and appeared there as strengths, when tested now in a truly partisan political environment, would reveal not just surprisingly poor judgment on her part but character flaws of a particularly dangerous and self-destructive sort.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/flashback-david-brock-warns-of-clintons-dangerous-character-flaws-in-book/

[BernieforPres2016]

20. Incredibly stupid

They really want to invite the inevitable comparisons of Bernie's marriage versus Hillary's marriage?

[Bluenorthwest]

23. Clinton and her supporters do not bear up well under pressure, this past weekend of Bernie Blowouts

has them on the verge . It's great.

[Mass]

26. This is what happens when you consider David Brock an acceptable guy.

The guy is scum, but Democrats are too ready to accept Republican scums among them, as long as they think they can win a few votes. This is how the Democratic Party has become just like the GOP.

It is however a bad move, because it irritates even more those of us who dislike Hillary Clinton and her sense of entitlement.

[artislife]

27. It depends on what the definition of what "is" is

No one has treated their wife worse than William J Clinton.

Repeatedly and publicly.


And no one has allowed it more publicly than his wife.

[renate]

61. I've been trying not to say negative things about Hillary

As much as I hope that Bernie is the nominee, I know that, odds are, I'll have to vote for her. And before the primaries and her campaign pulling caca like this, I'd have done it gladly instead of begrudgingly.

But your point is absolutely undeniable. Bill Clinton's behavior, while irrelevant to his performance as president, was disgusting. I can't imagine what Hillary's campaign is thinking, opening this can of worms.

Edited to add that, to be fair, I can't blame Hillary for the words of her spokesperson. I guess.

[onecaliberal]

28. I guess it would be more preferable for bernie to receive oral from someone who isn't his wife

in the oval. Then Hillary and her camp would think he's a great guy.

They have truly stolen every last dirty trick from the republican playbook. I cannot tell the difference in them.

[Onlooker]

31. Well, Bernie supporters are sure publicizing it

I haven't seen the video, doubt I will, but I know about it because of Bernie supporters. Frankly, it would be best to let the video die rather than promote it because I gather, regardless of the truth, it makes Bernie look bad.

[riderinthestorm]

52. No actually its Hillary supporters who brought it in last night

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511588010

But good try. I mean its hard to miss a 250+ post thread...

[Onlooker]

60. I guess one misses a lot of threads here ...

... unless they're on 24/7. At any rate, looked at the video (thanks for the link). Yeah, Bernie was a jerk, but that doesn't mean he is one. It's another example of the gotcha politics played by both sides.

[riderinthestorm]

62. Quelle surprise you'd interpret that as " Bernie’s a jerk".

You are, if nothing else, predictable.

[Onlooker]

73. Well he was rude ...

... but that doesn't mean he is rude. It's probably along the lines of the video Bernie supporters post of Hillary ostensibly laughing while discussing a child rapist. Get used to it. Both sides play the same silly game. If you didn't think Bernie was rude in that video, then you have a very different upbringing than mine.

[riderinthestorm]

81. I have absolutely no context for that video

Neither do you.

He tells her "don't stand there." Someone else said she was almost on the taped down mic and sound cords.

Its just as reasonable to assume he was alarmed for her.

This ASSumption that its "disrespect "or "rude" isnt supported by the many other thousands of hours of tape where its obvious the Sanders are a loving couple.

[Onlooker]

82. I basically agree ...

... but it came off as rude. If your hypothesis is correct, he probably would have said, "Be careful." She looked sort of confused as to exactly what she should do afterwards. I hope the adulation is giving Bernie a messiah complex.

[Kalidurga]

105. *BLEEP IT ALL*

I was trying to think of this in the worst possible light so that Bernie could have his kitten eating moment. Because the way things are going right now Bernie could literally eat a kitten on stage and I would be like "I can live with that." But, yeah I should have suspected sound cords and such on a stage and people don't always know where they are.

[lumberjack_jeff]

32. The hypocrisy of a Clinton telling us that there is disrespect in the Sanders household?

Seismic.

[felix_numinous]

33. Small minds

we've got bigger fish to fry and need a leader who will not be operating on a petty tyrant level of management.

[Atman]

36. How did some people hear "Don't stand next to me?"

It's not even close! He clearly says "Don't stand there." Some may think it's the same — obviously Brock wants you to think so — but there is no mistaking that he says "don't stand there." So the fuck what? Was he supposed to say, "My dear, would you mind it terribly if I respectfully request that you and not stand in that current location?" Ridiculous!

But hey, on the other side, they're fighting over each others wives and naked pictures and stuff. Brock's attempt to smear Bernie would be comical if it weren't so sad.

[JudyM]

37. He should bring up "the tone" of this attack ad when she begs him to debate before California. Nt

[Vattel]

38. That Hillary doesn't denounce Brock tells me that she lacks decency as well.

[arcane1]

51. Brock's PAC and the Clinton Campaign are coordinating directly with each other, via a loophole.

[dragonfly301]

39. Bill Clinton has an entire Wiki page devoted to his sexual misconduct

does the Hillary campaign really want to have a discussion about healthy marriages?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations

[dr60omg]

40. Triangulation tricks and Clintons

A Clinton has no room to talk about anyone else's marriage .... Because of HIS lies during the impeachment hearing we were stuck with Bush ....

[stillwaiting]

41. Time and time again HRC has to get us talking about bullshit. It's unsupportable.

AVOID THE ISSUES!!!

[postatomic]

42. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

I was completely unaware of this. Thanks for pointing it out so I can 'cross the line'.

There are some comments I could make but they would only be met with snark and shit.

[beam me up scottie]

43. Some of her supporters here are accusing Bernie of mistreating his wife.

Breathlessly whispering things like: he married her for the money, she probably does all the housework, the video is "disturbing", it's part of a pattern that shows he hates women, and who knows what he does to her at home?

Gossiping like a bunch of nasty church ladies.

Pathetic.

[Armstead]

93. Exactly...This hinting at spousal abuse. Disgusting

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. Well, after that, I'll bet Bernie is really, really, eager to endorse Hilllary if she wins.

[Art_from_Ark]

108. LOL

[Agschmid]

53. "Billary" said all I needed to know.

[mak3cats]

47. But Bernie better watch his tone! (eom)

[VulgarPoet]

48. Fuck that. She deserves nothing worse than utter political annihilation at this point.

Lie down with a right-winger, you're bound to get fleas, and she is a vermin farm at this point.

[desmiller]

68. God Damn!! Some vicious words you typed there buddy................

I LIKE IT.

[VulgarPoet]

72. I could echo the words of a Hillary supporter who survived a jury for what they said bout Bernie

But that's too easy to get flagged in this climate. But make no fuckin mistake-- I didn't out and out despise Clinton till today.

[desmiller]

75. You're not alone, Poet. Alot of people are not too fond of her.

[VulgarPoet]

77. What's sad is I at least tried to hold out hope.

If she somehow wound up with the nomination, maybe I could have been lied to; maybe I'd have been stupid enough to believe her. But this... This is deserving of my hatred.

[desmiller]

84. Hillary or anybody like her is no where near worthy of your honorable efforts and loyalty.

I would've been a typical Hillmole if it wasn't for Bernie Sanders entering this race. That thought scares me to no end. Anyway, her ugly conduct will only get worse from here. Buckle up, my Berner of arms. The River Styx don't have shit on this political course.

[BernieforPres2016]

100. Welcome to the club

I never liked either of them, but have hated both of them for almost 20 years now.

[Marr]

49. This brand of politics is a big reason people just don't trust Clinton.

Sanders has been refreshingly positive in his campaign, and refrained from the slimy tactics that Team Hillary revels in. Over time, it's made her seem like something of a snake.

[upaloopa]

54. Geez He did it right on camera. How are we not supposed to notice it?

If we all died and went to heaven and got halos to wear and harps to play and wings you all would still say we lacked something.

[Armstead]

92. Notice what? Was there a damn thing to notice without the "helpful pointers"?

[Oilwellian]

56. Looks to me like he was trying to protect her

He tends to get very animated while he speaks and probably was afraid he would hit her.

The Clinton camp probably thought this non-story would segue nicely with the "tone" facade.

[eridani]

107. I think it was moe about giving the Secret Service a line of sight n/t

[Myrina]

57. As opposed to Hillary who *didn't* snap at her husband when he was boinking in the Oval Office?

Uhhh ... really not a can of worms you want to open, Madam Secretary.

[ucrdem]

58. Pot meet kettle. And it's on France24 meaning it's global. I mean viral.

It's not Hillary pushing it.

[asuhornets]

59. You guys can Dish it but you can't Take it....Interesting....n/t

[nichomachus]

63. What nonsense

Pointing out Mrs. Clinton's sordid lack of principles is not even close to making up stories about someone's marriage.

With Clinton, you don't even have to make stuff up. Bill's serial infidelities could be a miniseries -- although it would probably be rated X. And Hillary combatted it by trashing the women that Bill harassed.

[asuhornets]

64. No one made up anything...

Sanders wanted his wife off the stage and he let her know it in disrespectful way in front of the cameras. He could have handled it better.

[Armstead]

91. What shouild he have done? Said into the mike...

"Honey I'm starting my speech now. Please get off the stage."

[asuhornets]

102. I really

don't give a crap to be honest. I'm tired of talking about it.

[ViseGrip]

66. I believe he was alerting her to the side of the podium, where all the sound cords

are taped down.

[AzDar]

69. Yep. 'Clintonian' is the term...

[GreatGazoo]

74. 1 - they may still be hoping to find their "Dean Scream" that magically ends

Sanders' campaign. Not happening .

2 - pushing this desperate meme shows they are trying to shore up women. They are very numbers driven. That's why they talk about us all as if we were just monolithic blocks of numbers -- "the Black vote", "women" -- that is what they look at every day and try to move. That is the scoreboard for Brock and Benenson.

btw, found the coolest tool for looking at poll data -- choose your own filters from dozens AND you can link to the results, for example this one shows AAs 18 to 34 moving dramatically to Bernie Sanders in February, but if you play with the filters you can get anything:

http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR131/filters/RESP_AGE:-4,SC_RACE:2/dates/20151008-20160318/type/month

[me b zola]

76. Team Clinton is flinging poo against the wall

If something is tacky enough it may stick....to team Clinton.

Makes the Clinton demand that Bernie "watch his tone" if she will follow through with their agreement to the April debate even more laughable than it was on its face.

[SHRED]

79. Signs of desperation

[treestar]

80. Makes no sense the video is of Bernie in public

what duty has anyone got to hide it for Bernie because it makes him look bad?

[Armstead]

90. Because it doesn't make him look bad

Without all the "commentary" it would look like what it is. Bernie letting his wife know he was about to begin his long speech and there was no need for her to stand there for the next hour.

[treestar]

103. then there's no need for all the extravagant language about

people posting it.

[Armstead]

104. It's the helpful commentary from Brock that's the issue

[greyl]

106. You must realize it's about the spun description

of the video. There is video of humans on the Moon, but that doesn't stop some people from interpreting the event through their own dark lens of bias.

edit: actually, I was being a little too nice. The article I'm taking issue with posted at DU has a false quote of Bernie, not what he actually says in the video.
That should plainly illustrate the level the bias of that article writer, and everyone spreading it without first asking "is this true?"

[Utopian Leftist]

85. Bernie could destroy her with a word.

Not that he should, but . . . .

If he wanted to BERN her back for stooping this low, all he'd ever have to say is, "Cigar." One word. Drop the mic and walk away.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones, Madame Secretary!

[BreakfastClub]

86. Eh, BS supporters crossed the line when they decided to believe right wing smears. nt

[Armstead]

89. Which vile right wing smears?

[Art_from_Ark]

109. Oh, you know,

those videos where she's unabashedly shilling for the Iraq War on the Senate floor, laughing about Gadhaffi's death, calling war-torn Iraq a "business opportunity", laughing about a possible war with Iran, calling for a no-fly zone over Syria, calling the TPP the "gold standard among trade agreements", schmoozing with the likes of the Bushes, Kissinger, Trump...

You know, those right-wing smears

[Armstead]

110. Oh I thought it was the ones about her being too aligned with Big Bidness

Because right wingers are always critical of candidates who are too economically conservative

[hellofromreddit]

94. Do you always emulate the worst behavior you see?

[Zorra]

87. It's just so perfectly representative of the general vile ugliness of the Clinton campaign.

[amborin]

88. Sign of a desperate campaign that's losing the nomination

[Vinca]

95. And the Clinton campaign has the nerve to complain about Bernie's "tone."

FYI, this was general stage confusion and no one was "snapping." Bernie has a cranky sounding voice sometimes. That's just how he is. (And it's a whole lot easier to listen to than Hillary screaming a speech.)

[reddread]

98. again

at least voters arent being bored with policy discussions.
who cares what major issues are being slipped by us this go round?
in terms of Democracy in America, even the shouting is over.
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[BernieforPres2016]

99. I may be in the minority as a Bernie supporter, but this kind of Clinton garbage doesn't bother me

Everybody knows it's garbage when they see it and it reminds people of who the Clintons are. It is not going to cost Bernie Sanders any support but it may be the straw that breaks the camel's back and makes some people with consciences realize they can no longer support Hillary Clinton. It is prime example of why so few people find her trustworthy and why her negatives are so high.

[xloadiex]

101. Wow I could say and post so much regarding Hill and Bill and Chelsea

but I wouldn't sink to their level. It's obvious to me and anyone who has seen Bernie give a speech. He can't do it without using his hands. He obviously didn't want her to get in the way.

Does the Clinton camp really want to get down in the mud? There's plenty out there.