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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 02:28 PM Mar 2016

DWS: SuperDelegates Ensure Elites Don’t Have to Run 'Against Grassroots Activists'

FTR: I think the world of Debbie Wasserman Schultz*.
I believe her to be a person of integrity.
I just don't like her calls as referee.



Un-Democratic Party: DNC chair says superdelegates ensure elites don’t have to run “against grassroots activists”

Critics say the unelected superdelegate system is rigged. Debbie Wasserman Schultz basically admitted this is true


by BEN NORTON
Salon, Feb. 13, 2016

The Democratic Party’s superdelegate system has come under attack this presidential election, as critics blast it as undemocratic. There are hundreds of superdelegates, unelected party elites, who can sway the primary election, undermining the candidate democratically chosen by the party’s mass base.

SNIP...

Critics have begun to ask why this undemocratic system exists. CNN’s Jake Tapper posed precisely this question to Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, an ally of Hillary Clinton who co-chaired her former presidential; campaign, in a Feb. 11 interview. She responded with shockingly blunt honesty.

“What do you tell voters who are new to the process who say this makes them feel like it’s all rigged?” Tapper asked the DNC chair.

[font color="green"]“Unpledged delegates exist really to make sure that party leaders and elected officials don’t have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists,”[/font color] Wasserman Schultz calmly explained.

CONTINUED...

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/13/un_democratic_party_dnc_chair_says_superdelegates_ensure_elites_dont_have_to_run_against_grassroots_activists/


*And if Debbie Wasserman Schultz is my Party's nominee in November, I will vote for her.

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DWS: SuperDelegates Ensure Elites Don’t Have to Run 'Against Grassroots Activists' (Original Post) Octafish Mar 2016 OP
DNC chair says superdelegates ensure elites don’t have to run “against grassroots activists”. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #1
Remember when Democrats stood for ALL people. Octafish Mar 2016 #9
Shorter: We are boss. dogman Mar 2016 #2
We Rule. Octafish Mar 2016 #10
Previously posted Feb 16... Earth Bound Misfit Mar 2016 #3
Is there a rule about posting again in GDPolitics? Octafish Mar 2016 #6
Doesn't "bother" me... Earth Bound Misfit Mar 2016 #14
i think she's a partisan hack Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #4
Why did the Party stop Howard Dean's successful 50-state strategy? Octafish Mar 2016 #12
Jump to the 1:00 mark NWCorona Mar 2016 #5
Hearing her say it is startling. Octafish Mar 2016 #16
DWS has Zero Integrity Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #7
Which has inspired us to create a new society that is based on rewarding integrity. Gregorian Mar 2016 #13
Evidence. Octafish Mar 2016 #17
THere are article all over DU Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #20
Thanks for your kind reply. Octafish Mar 2016 #31
When they believe your vote is guaranteed, they have zero incentive to earn your vote. arcane1 Mar 2016 #8
That is an excellent point. Octafish Mar 2016 #28
That's establishment speak for "No shoes; no shirt- no service". Gregorian Mar 2016 #11
I LIKE that! Octafish Mar 2016 #29
You don't understand her point... brooklynite Mar 2016 #15
Shouldn't we be leveling the playing field a bit? That sounds outdated. Gregorian Mar 2016 #21
Thanks for the clarification. Octafish Mar 2016 #30
I'd like to play devil's advocate. Is there a place where this is warranted? Gregorian Mar 2016 #18
Hierarchies ultimately are Tyrannies. Octafish Mar 2016 #32
"Shut up," she explained. Scuba Mar 2016 #19
''Top secret?" Octafish Mar 2016 #34
Plumbing the depths for the new definiton of "progressive." Scuba Mar 2016 #35
"And if Debbie Wasserman Schultz is my Party's nominee in November, I will vote for her" MisterP Mar 2016 #22
Upon further review... Octafish Mar 2016 #36
Grassroots.... As in Obama? Ebbegirl Mar 2016 #23
No. Elite...as in UBS. Octafish Mar 2016 #37
Out of context. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #24
Since 1981 or How the World Got 'That Way' Octafish Mar 2016 #38
And this has what to do with super delegates? nt Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #39
''Man, if you gotta ask, you'll never know.'' -- Louis Armstrong Octafish Mar 2016 #40
YAY! BFEE! Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #41
No. The point is secret government. Octafish Mar 2016 #43
I miss our long walks on the beach. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #44
So, you can't show where I'm wrong. Octafish Mar 2016 #47
I love you, too. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #51
That sounds odd coming out of your mouth, Dr Hobbitstein. Octafish Mar 2016 #55
I know all about them. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #57
You write like it. Octafish Mar 2016 #59
Here in WI it's like this the "Paul Ryan" now Speaker and Scott WALKER and another party leader bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #25
New Democrat Coalition. Advised by the Third Way. djean111 Mar 2016 #27
''The Democratic Weaselship Council'' (Joan Walsh on the DLC) Octafish Mar 2016 #50
DNC is of and for the elites amborin Mar 2016 #26
Did you see this at Salon from Bill Curry? Octafish Mar 2016 #48
saw it today and posted it as an OP; thanks, Octafish! amborin Mar 2016 #56
Thank you! That's where I saw it! Octafish Mar 2016 #58
She pretty much takes the "democratic" out of Democratic Party. Vinca Mar 2016 #33
That's the Leo Strauss world view. Octafish Mar 2016 #60
Interesting article. Thanks. Vinca Mar 2016 #61
Wow. She came right out and said it. tabasco Mar 2016 #42
Actually, what she was referring to was Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #45
Wow. That's a pretty convoluted interpretaton. tabasco Mar 2016 #49
Yes. For a spot at the convention. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #52
When you lose touch, you lose the ability to FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #54
I recently saw a Republican roundtable discussion, where they were saying how the GOP needs to Marr Mar 2016 #46
The word ''Elite'' stands for one thing -- a number: One Percent. Octafish Mar 2016 #53
A "superdelegate" to me is like a political police officer/apparatchik x millions of voters bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #62
That's what they were talking about a few election nights back... Octafish Mar 2016 #63
+ bobthedrummer Apr 2016 #64

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
1. DNC chair says superdelegates ensure elites don’t have to run “against grassroots activists”.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 02:30 PM
Mar 2016

That headline alone is deserving of all of the disrespect in the world. Someone who tacitly admits that a system is rigged does not deserve any modicum of power or respect.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. Is there a rule about posting again in GDPolitics?
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 02:39 PM
Mar 2016

If so, I apologize. If not, why does it bother you?

Either way: The message is worth repeating.

Earth Bound Misfit

(3,553 posts)
14. Doesn't "bother" me...
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 02:56 PM
Mar 2016

Merely pointing out that it's been posted previously, which I believe is worth mentioning.

Why so defensive/hostile? Lighten up, Francis.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
4. i think she's a partisan hack
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 02:33 PM
Mar 2016

but a successful one.. Look how many of us she has driven out of the party #democracyfail

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
12. Why did the Party stop Howard Dean's successful 50-state strategy?
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 02:52 PM
Mar 2016
Despite opposition from national Democrats, the former Vermont governor's bid to build up party infrastructure in every state was a success in the unlikeliest of places -- at least while it lasted.

-- http://www.governing.com/blogs/politics/gov-democrat-howard-deans-fifty-state-strategy.html


Octafish

(55,745 posts)
16. Hearing her say it is startling.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 03:00 PM
Mar 2016

Self-contradictory on one level and on another so hiearchical it's undemocratic. Pure genius.



WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: Well, let me just make sure that I can clarify exactly what was available during the primaries in Iowa and in New Hampshire.

The unpledged delegates are a separate category. The only thing available on the ballot in a primary and a caucus is the pledged delegates, those that are tied to the candidate that they are pledged to support. And they receive a proportional number of delegates going into the -- going into our convention.

Unpledged delegates exist really to make sure that party leaders and elected officials don't have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists. We are, as a Democratic Party, really highlight and emphasize inclusiveness and diversity at our convention, and so we want to give every opportunity to grassroots activists and diverse committed Democrats to be able to participate, attend and be a delegate at the convention.

And so we separate out those unpledged delegates to make sure that there isn't competition between them.

-- http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1602/11/cg.01.html



BTW: That Jake Tapper really does get a lot of verbiage out of one breath.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
7. DWS has Zero Integrity
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 02:40 PM
Mar 2016

Just what does it take before you realize that someone has been bought and paid for?

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
13. Which has inspired us to create a new society that is based on rewarding integrity.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 02:54 PM
Mar 2016

Tulsi Gabbard said it- reward integrity.

I'm just digesting this notion. It's quite the opposite of how we're operating now. I can see it. People slowing down.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
17. Evidence.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 03:01 PM
Mar 2016

She's from a rich district, yet she's of modest means. Her banker (no -ster) husband is now a stay-at-home dad so she can continue her career.

Perhaps they've cashed in on the side somewhere, but I have not seen evidence for that.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
28. That is an excellent point.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:02 PM
Mar 2016

Makes me want to rethink my position.

That is why the First Amendment is so DEMOCRATIC.

Democracy depends on freedom of information.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
11. That's establishment speak for "No shoes; no shirt- no service".
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 02:51 PM
Mar 2016

No superpac; no corruption- no database.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
29. I LIKE that!
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:04 PM
Mar 2016

That is evidence.

Makes me want to learn more.

Openness is key to Democracy.

Secrecy is key to Tyranny.

brooklynite

(94,302 posts)
15. You don't understand her point...
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 02:59 PM
Mar 2016

Traditionally, State Delegations were packed with "political elites": elected officials, Party bosses, etc. They had the clout and connections to win appointments or electoral contests. The concept was 1) to keep Party leaders in the Convention process but 2) to make slots available for grassroots activists to participate as well. Party leaders now get automatic inclusion, and activists don't have to try to compete with them in the Primary/Caucus process?

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
21. Shouldn't we be leveling the playing field a bit? That sounds outdated.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 03:08 PM
Mar 2016

Or maybe I'm being unrealistic. We're kind of talking about value. But we're also talking about power. That's the part where I see a concentration of power. I don't know. It's all rather complex, and that's not necessarily bad.

I'm not clear on the last half of your last sentence. If it's what I think, it's an incentive for people to not run for that particular seat.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
30. Thanks for the clarification.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:09 PM
Mar 2016

Here's what makes me think she is using her position to enhance the insiders' positions:

What should be illegal is legal. For instance:

[font size="5"][font color="green"]UBS is a Swiss bank that is enjoying better days, thanks to the US taxpayer and a number of key US political leaders. [/font color][/font size]





Hillary Helps a Bank—and Then It Funnels Millions to the Clintons

The Wall Street Journal’s eyebrow-raising story of how the presidential candidate and her husband accepted cash from UBS without any regard for the appearance of impropriety that it created.


by CONOR FRIEDERSDORF, The Atlantic, JUL 31, 2015

The Swiss bank UBS is one of the biggest, most powerful financial institutions in the world. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton intervened to help it out with the IRS. And after that, the Swiss bank paid Bill Clinton $1.5 million for speaking gigs. The Wall Street Journal reported all that and more Thursday in an article that highlights huge conflicts of interest that the Clintons have created in the recent past.

The piece begins by detailing how Clinton helped the global bank.

“A few weeks after Hillary Clinton was sworn in as secretary of state in early 2009, she was summoned to Geneva by her Swiss counterpart to discuss an urgent matter. The Internal Revenue Service was suing UBS AG to get the identities of Americans with secret accounts,” the newspaper reports. “If the case proceeded, Switzerland’s largest bank would face an impossible choice: Violate Swiss secrecy laws by handing over the names, or refuse and face criminal charges in U.S. federal court. Within months, Mrs. Clinton announced a tentative legal settlement—an unusual intervention by the top U.S. diplomat. UBS ultimately turned over information on 4,450 accounts, a fraction of the 52,000 sought by the IRS.”

Then reporters James V. Grimaldi and Rebecca Ballhaus lay out how UBS helped the Clintons. “Total donations by UBS to the Clinton Foundation grew from less than $60,000 through 2008 to a cumulative total of about $600,000 by the end of 2014, according to the foundation and the bank,” they report. “The bank also joined the Clinton Foundation to launch entrepreneurship and inner-city loan programs, through which it lent $32 million. And it paid former president Bill Clinton $1.5 million to participate in a series of question-and-answer sessions with UBS Wealth Management Chief Executive Bob McCann, making UBS his biggest single corporate source of speech income disclosed since he left the White House.”

The article adds that “there is no evidence of any link between Mrs. Clinton’s involvement in the case and the bank’s donations to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, or its hiring of Mr. Clinton.” Maybe it’s all a mere coincidence, and when UBS agreed to pay Bill Clinton $1.5 million the relevant decision-maker wasn’t even aware of the vast sum his wife may have saved the bank or the power that she will potentially wield after the 2016 presidential election.

SNIP...

As McClatchy noted last month in a more broadly focused article that also mentions UBS, “Ten of the world’s biggest financial institutions––including UBS, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Goldman Sachs––have hired Bill Clinton numerous times since 2004 to speak for fees totaling more than $6.4 million. Hillary Clinton also has accepted speaking fees from at least one bank. And along with an 11th bank, the French giant BNP Paribas, the financial goliaths also donated as much as $24.9 million to the Clinton Foundation––the family’s global charity set up to tackle causes from the AIDS epidemic in Africa to climate change.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/



About UBS Wealth Management

[font size="5"][font color="green"]It's Buy Partisan[/font color][/font size]

After his exit from the US Senate, Phil Gramm found a job at Swiss bank UBS as vice chairman. He later brought on former President Bill Clinton. What a coincidence, they are the two key figures in repealing Glass-Steagal. Since the New Deal it was the financial regulation that protected the US taxpayer from the Wall Street casino. Oh well, what's a $16 trillion bailout among friends?



It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush Heh heh heh.
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

One of my attorney chums doesn't like to see his name on any committees, event letterhead or political campaign literature. These folks, it seems to me, are past caring.

Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.



The fact the nation's "news media" isn't really following this story should also be of great concern -- for the 99-percent.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
18. I'd like to play devil's advocate. Is there a place where this is warranted?
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 03:03 PM
Mar 2016

If I try to imagine a situation where a group wants to become established, then one way to do it is to make sure it's difficult to unseat incumbents. Are we afraid that people will vote against good principles, like health care for all (like as a right), or do we need to "rig" things such that remaining in office (to supposedly be able to help Americans more than if one were only in office a short while) is virtually guaranteed?

I'm sure there's more to it. There must be some reasonable reason for this restriction. It's a hierarchy after all.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
32. Hierarchies ultimately are Tyrannies.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:27 PM
Mar 2016

Freedom is possible only through Democracy.

My concern is that the Congress, through NSA/CIA/MIC Booz Allen Mob Inc have the goods on them all. If they don't go along with the Bunraku, they're not going along. That represents a problem. And you know what they do with problems.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
34. ''Top secret?"
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:33 PM
Mar 2016

..."The seemingly permanent Minority Whip never heard of it, 'it' being the killing of US citizens without trial. Didn't it used to be called 'murder' and against the law before 9-11? I don't know. I forgot with all the radiation in the air and lead in the water these days."

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
22. "And if Debbie Wasserman Schultz is my Party's nominee in November, I will vote for her"
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 03:19 PM
Mar 2016

actually voting for the Pub would cause a net GAIN in Dems

11 Governors, 13 Senators, 69 Reps, 913 state seats, and left with 26% of the electorate

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
36. Upon further review...
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:45 PM
Mar 2016

...the ruling on the field is reversed. I'd like to see some Democratic Action on every level. Here in Michigan, the governor who poisoned a major city and filled 9,000 children with lead contamination when he knew better wants to clean things up. The fact that he's not out of office, let alone in jail, shows someone's cleaning up -- the DeVos (Erik Blackwater Prince) and Koch crews -- whom are his primary backers in this great pyramid scheme called Michigan politics.

Anyone who learns new information and is incapable of changing an opinion is a troll or worked hard on redistricting for Karl Rove and his Department of Just Us.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
37. No. Elite...as in UBS.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 06:06 PM
Mar 2016

After his exit from the US Senate, Phil Gramm found a job at Swiss bank UBS as vice chairman. He later brought in former President Bill Clinton to the Wealth Management team.

What a coincidence, they are the two key figures in repealing Glass-Steagal. Since the New Deal it was the financial regulation that protected the US taxpayer from the Wall Street casino. Oh well, what are a few hundred million in speaking fees compared to a $16 trillion bailout among friends?



It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush Heh heh heh.
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

One of my attorney chums doesn't like to see his name on any committees, event letterhead or political campaign literature. These folks, it seems to me, are past caring.

Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.

The fact the nation's "news media" don't bring this up AT ALL should be of great concern to all who care about Democracy. Good thing for DU.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
38. Since 1981 or How the World Got 'That Way'
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 06:09 PM
Mar 2016
Detroit, 1980, when Reagan was at the top of his game.



Reagan was shot in March 1981 and for all intents and purposes was a walking vegetable afterward.

Through a Glass Darkly

Alexander Cockburn
Lies Of Our Times (p. 12-13)
November 1991

What was surprising to me was Reagan’s condition. He was exhausted to the point of incoherence throughout much ofthe interview and could not remember the substance of any subject that had been discussed apart from Mitterrand’s expression of anticommunism. I had not seen Reagan at such close rangesince the assassination attempt nearly four months earlier, and was shocked at his condition.... Reagan simply was unable to recall the contents of the talks in which he had just participated.... The interview concluded at a signal from Deaver,who did not seem to find the president’s condition unusual.”

Thus ran Lou Cannon’s recollections of an interview with the Commander-in-Chief in 1981, as set forth in his book President Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime (New York: Simon & Schuster,1991), published earlier this year. But how did Cannon describe Reagan’s condition to the readers of the Washington Post when he wrote up his interview? In the July 23, 1981, Washington Post,Cannon’s story appeared under the headline “Reagan Describes Summit Meeting as ‘Worth Its Weight in Gold.’ ” Cannon’s report gives the impression of a lucid chief executive returning home after a fruitful colloquy with other western leaders at the economic summit held in Ottawa in mid-July. Cannon did mention in the tenth paragraph that “Reagan appeared tired to the point of near-exhaustion,” but this observation was quickly qualified by the opinion of “aides” that the president had been doing a lot of prep for the conference and was also worried about the Middle East.

Cannon shared his brief session with Reagan aboard Air Force One with Hedrick Smith of the New York Times, who similarly gave his readers the impression of a president in touch with things rather than the incoherent old man they had actually encountered. As did Cannon, Smith wove the few quotable remarks from Reagan into a tapestry of attributed presidential dicta passed on — and no doubt confected— by Meese, Deaver,and Speakes. It is clear from Cannon’s account of the conference itself that Reagan was fogged up throughout the actual conference, occasionally interjecting trivial observations or homely jokes into the proceedings and then relapsing into bemused silence. Cannon’s memoir is one more indication of the cover-up that took place in the wake of Hinckley’s assassination bid on March 30, 1981. At the time of the shooting, the press was full of phrases like “bouncing back,” “iron constitution,” and other terms indicating that Reagan had emerged from the ordeal in good shape. In fact Reagan very nearly died on the operating table and was a dotard afterwards. He never fully recovered.

Conclusion: Unless a president is actually dead, the WhiteHouse press corps can be relied upon to present him as both sentient and sapient, no matter how decrepit his physical and mental condition.

SOURCE in PDF form:

http://liesofourtimes.org/public_html/1991/Nov1991%20V2%20N10/Nov1991%20V2%20N10.pdf


Mentally isn't physically. So he remained VP and used the opportunity to get appointed a Super Duper Presidential Helper.


George Bush Takes Charge: The Uses of ‘Counter-Terrorism’

By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Quarterly 58

A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan‑Bush era yields valuable information on how counter‑terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush's power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.

During the Reagan years, George Bush used "crisis management" and "counter‑terrorism" as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.

Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran‑Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the "foreign policy president," while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.

The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America's convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.

SNIP...

Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush's role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.

SNIP...

NSDD 159. MANAGEMENT OF U.S. COVERT OPERATIONS, (TOP SECRET/VEIL‑SENSITIVE), JAN. 18,1985

The Reagan administration's commitment to significantly expand covert operations had been clear since before the 1980 election. How such operations were actually to be managed from day to day, however, was considerably less certain. The management problem became particularly knotty owing to legal requirements to notify congressional intelligence oversight committees of covert operations, on the one hand, and the tacitly accepted presidential mandate to deceive those same committees concerning sensitive operations such as the Contra war in Nicaragua, on the other.

[font color="green"]The solution attempted in NSDD 159 was to establish a small coordinating committee headed by Vice President George Bush through which all information concerning US covert operations was to be funneled. The order also established a category of top secret information known as Veil, to be used exclusively for managing records pertaining to covert operations.

The system was designed to keep circulation of written records to an absolute minimum while at the same time ensuring that the vice president retained the ability to coordinate US covert operations with the administration's overt diplomacy and propaganda.

Only eight copies of NSDD 159 were created. The existence of the vice president's committee was itself highly classified.
[/font color] The directive became public as a result of the criminal prosecutions of Oliver North, John Poindexter, and others involved in the Iran‑Contra affair, hence the designation "Exhibit A" running up the left side of the document.

CONTINUED...

CovertAction Quarterly no 58 Fall 1996 pp31-40.



Did you know any of that, Dr Hobbitstein? It's not being talked about on television or the newspaper. On DU, yes, thankfully.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
40. ''Man, if you gotta ask, you'll never know.'' -- Louis Armstrong
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:10 AM
Mar 2016

For those with minds capable of analyzing new information, including information that may disturb their monde intérieur, or "complexion" as you once put it:

The US government has been influenced covertly by Bush and his cronies. Here's what may be old news to some DUers and shocking to others. The thing is, the truth about what has happened to democracy in the name of national security may as well be science-fiction to 99% of America.



CIA Chief Bush Suppresses the News

By Robert Gardner
FAIR Exclusive
May/June 1999

Documents obtained by FAIR, released through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), show that George Bush, as head of the CIA in 1976, tried to bottle up a news story that exposed the apparent duplicity of another former CIA chief, Richard Helms.

The story, broken on Oct. 1, 1976, by David Martin (now CBS Pentagon correspondent, then with Associated Press), revealed that Helms had given misleading testimony to the Warren Commission investigating the assassination of John Kennedy. Helms testified that the CIA had not "even contemplated" making contact with Lee Harvey Oswald, the accused assassin. Through the FOIA, Martin obtained CIA memos showing that in 1960 the agency "showed intelligence interest" in Oswald and "discussed...the laying on of interviews" with him.

When Bush saw the AP story in the Washington Star, he asked for an internal CIA review to see if the story was true (it was) and if it would "cause problems for Helms." (Helms had lied to a Senate committee about the CIA's role in subverting Chilean democracy and would later be convicted of contempt of Congress.)

After investigating, Bush assistant Seymour Bolten reported back that the exposure of Helms' false testimony to the Warren Commission would probably cause Helms "some anxious moments," though not "any additional legal problems." But Bush was assured that a "slightly better" story had resulted from an Agency phone call to AP protesting that Martin's story was "sloppy." Additionally, Bush was told that an unnamed journalist had "advised his editors . . . not to run the AP story."

Bolten complained to Bush: "This is another example where material provided to the press and public in response to an FOIA request is exploited mischievously and in distorted form to make the headlines." One might more accurately describe it as an occasion where George Bush's CIA pressured one news outlet to back away from an accurate story while using an asset in the press corps to suppress it in another.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1491



Sen. John Tower, R-Texas, was a player at an early age.



Angus Mackenzie: "Secrets: The CIA's War at Home"

EXCERPT...

A month later someone at the CIA leaked the news of MHCHAOS to Sy Hersh at the New York Times. The story, while sparse, made public the fact that the agency was spying on its citizens. Gerald Ford, in office for less than five months, directed William Colby to issue a report on MHCHAOS to Henry Kissinger. As Mackenzie writes, evidently Ford was not informed that Kissinger was well aware of the operation. He adds:

Because of MHCHAOS and Watergate, Congress began to investigate the CIA. On September 16, 1975 Senators Frank Church and John Tower called Colby to testify at a hearing about CIA assassinations. Colby showed up carrying a CIA poison dart gun, and Church waved the gun before the televison cameras. It looked like an automatic pistol with a telescopic sight mounted on the barrel. Producers of the evening news recognized this as sensational footage, and just as surely Colby recognized his days as director were numbered. He had not guarded the CIA secrets well enough.


Colby was fired on November 2, 1975. His successor was George Herbert Walker Bush.....

Mackenzie's account of Bush's rise and and his fall when Carter assumed office is brief, but intriguing. There is much, much more in Secrets about CIA efforts throughout the years in guarding their work from the public in this under-recognized work. The epilogue is entitled "The Cold War Ends and Secrecy Spreads." Mackenzie closes by writing:

Only recently in the history of the world's oldest republic has secrecy functioned principally to keep the American people in the dark about the nefarious activities of their government. The United States is no longer the nation its citizens once thought: a place, unlike most others in the world, free from censorship and thought police, where people can say what they want, when they want to, about their government. Almost a decade after the end of the cold war, espionage is not the issue, if it ever really was. The issue is freedom... Until the citizens of this land aggressively defend their First Amendment rights of free speech, there is little hope that this march to censorship will be reversed. The survival of the cornerstone of the Bill of Rights is at stake.


Succumbing to brain cancer before he turned fifty, Mackenzie sadly did not live to see the meteoric rise of the internet, nor did he live to see 9/11 and the current Bush Administration and their obsessive devotion to secrecy.

This work has relevance to the current situation regarding the agency's efforts to keep George Joannides' records secret.

SOURCE: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10617



Carter administration was a mere interegnum.



From...

The State, the Deep State, and the Wall Street Overworld

By Prof Peter Dale Scott
Global Research, March 10, 2014
The Asia-Pacific Journal, Volume 12, Issue 10, No. 5

EXCERPT...

The Safari Club Milieu: George H.W. Bush, Theodore Shackley, and BCCI

The usual account of this super-agency’s origin is that it was

the brainchild of Count Alexandre de Marenches, the debonair and mustachioed chief of France’s CIA. The SDECE (Service de Documentation Extérieure et de Contre-Espionnage)…. Worried by Soviet and Cuban advances in postcolonial Africa, and by America’s post-Watergate paralysis in the field of undercover activity, the swashbuckling Marenches had come to Turki’s father, King Faisal, with a proposition…. [By 1979] Somali president Siad Barre had been bribed out of Soviet embrace by $75 million worth of Egyptian arms (paid for… by Saudi Arabia)….95

Joseph Trento adds that “The Safari Club needed a network of banks to finance its intelligence operations,… With the official blessing of George Bush as the head of the CIA, Adham transformed… the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), into a worldwide money-laundering machine.”.96

Trento claims also that the Safari Club then was able to work with some of the controversial CIA operators who were then forced out of the CIA by Turner, and that this was coordinated by perhaps the most controversial of them all: Theodore Shackley.

Shackley, who still had ambitions to become DCI, believed that without his many sources and operatives like [Edwin] Wilson, the Safari Club—operating with [former DCI Richard] Helms in charge in Tehran—would be ineffective. … Unless Shackley took direct action to complete the privatization of intelligence operations soon, the Safari Club would not have a conduit to [CIA] resources. The solution: create a totally private intelligence network using CIA assets until President Carter could be replaced.97

Kevin Phillips has suggested that Bush on leaving the CIA had dealings with the bank most closely allied with Safari Club operations: the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI). In Phillips’ words,

After leaving the CIA in January 1977, Bush became chairman of the executive committee of First International Bancshares and its British subsidiary, where, according to journalists Peter Truell and Larry Gurwin in their 1992 book ‘False Profits’ [p. 345], Bush ‘traveled on the bank’s behalf and sometimes marketed to international banks in London, including several Middle Eastern institutions.’98

Joseph Trento adds that through the London branch of this bank, which Bush chaired, “Adham’s petrodollars and BCCI money flowed for a variety of intelligence operations”99

It is clear moreover that BCCI operations, like Khashoggi’s before them, were marked by the ability to deal behind the scenes with both the Arab countries and also Israel.100

It is clear that for years the American deep state in Washington was both involved with and protected BCCI. Acting CIA director Richard Kerr acknowledged to a Senate Committee “that the CIA had also used BCCI for certain intelligence-gathering operations.”101

Later, a congressional inquiry showed that for more than ten years preceding the BCCI collapse in the summer of 1991, the FBI, the DEA, the CIA, the Customs Service, and the Department of Justice all failed to act on hundreds of tips about the illegalities of BCCI’s international activities.102

Far less clear is the attitude taken by Wall Street banks towards the miscreant BCCI. The Senate report on BCCI charged however that the Bank of England “had withheld information about BCCI’s frauds from public knowledge for 15 months before closing the bank.”103

CONTINUED...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-state-the-deep-state-and-the-wall-street-overworld/5372843



The coup d'grace was "serving" Pruneface as veep. And nobody's laid a glove on the secret government ever since, no matter who has gotten into office. We need someone willing to dismantle that secret government apparatus, and that starts with CIA, per Bernie Sanders.
 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
41. YAY! BFEE!
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:19 AM
Mar 2016

I was hoping we'd get to this.

You should read this:


Baked Potato Salad

Recipe By:chefheather
"This is an unusual recipe for potato salad. It is a switch from your everyday mayonnaise-based salad. It's like a baked potato in a bowl!"
Ingredients

4 pounds potatoes, peeled
15 slices bacon
1 (16 ounce) container reduced-fat sour cream
2 tablespoons mayonnaise

2 cups shredded Cheddar cheese
2 tablespoons dried chives
1 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon ground black pepper

Directions

Place the potatoes into a large pot and cover with lightly salted water. Bring to a boil over high heat, then reduce heat to medium-low, cover, and simmer until just tender, about 15 minutes. Drain the potatoes, and allow to cool to room temperature. Dice once cooled.
Place the bacon in a large, deep skillet, and cook over medium-high heat, turning occasionally, until evenly browned, about 10 minutes. Drain the bacon slices on a paper towel-lined plate. Allow to cool, and crumble the bacon into a large bowl.
Place the cooled potatoes into the bowl with the bacon, and mix in the sour cream, mayonnaise, Cheddar cheese, chives, salt, and pepper. Refrigerate overnight before serving.

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/215624/baked-potato-salad/print/?recipeType=Recipe&servings=12



Deadpool
Deadpool (real name Wade Winston Wilson) is a fictional antihero appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Created by artist/writer Rob Liefeld and writer Fabian Nicieza, the character first appeared in The New Mutants #98 (cover-dated February 1991). Initially Deadpool was depicted as a supervillain when he made his first appearance in The New Mutants and later in issues of X-Force, but has since evolved into the role of an antihero. Deadpool is a disfigured and mentally unstable mercenary with the superhuman ability of an accelerated healing factor and physical prowess. He is known as the "Merc with a Mouth" because of his talkative nature and tendency to break the fourth wall, which is used by writers for a humorous effect.

The character's popularity has seen him feature in numerous other media. In the 2004 series Cable & Deadpool, he refers to his own scarred appearance as "Ryan Reynolds crossed with a Shar-Pei,"[5][6] leading to Reynolds eventually portraying the character in the 2009 film X-Men Origins: Wolverine and reprising the role in the 2016 film Deadpool.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadpool



Warp Refraction Principle
Warp refraction, also known as the warp refraction principle, is a term coined by the guitarist Jon Finn in his 1999 publication, Advanced Modern Rock Guitar Improvisation. Warp refraction takes into account the major third tuning interval between the second and third strings. In other words, warp refraction is the inconsistent tuning anomaly which occurs on the second and third strings of the six-string guitar. All of the other strings have a fourth interval relationship and are tuned as such.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warp_refraction


That's proof positive of the BFEE. It all makes so much sense!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
43. No. The point is secret government.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:35 AM
Mar 2016

Poppy Bush ran -- directed and operated -- Reagan as veep. I wrote about that in a way that others not familiar with the history could see that and go to the source documents to learn more.

For those new to the subject that Dr Hobbitstein alludes to: Poppy Bush told the FBI he was in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, the day President Kennedy was assassinated. Seeing how he's been directly involved in all the wars since -- and in positions to profit from all the wars since -- it's important for people interested in Democracy to know.

Poppy Bush warned FBI -- AFTER -- JFK assassinated.

In the hour of the death of President John F. Kennedy, Texas oilman George Herbert Walker Bush named a suspect to the FBI in a "confidential" phone call. He then added he was heading for Dallas. Skeptics need not take my word for it, that's what Poppy told the FBI:




Here's a transcript of the text:



TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63

FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL

SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY

At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

# # #



Gee. Why was Poppy Bush in Dallas when JFK was assassinated?

Could it be, he was on official business? I suspect he was on Secret Government business. After all, his eldest son bragged during his Texas Air National Guard and Harvard grad school days that his daddy was CIA.

Here's an FBI document from the same week of the assassination in which FBI Director J Edgar Hoover briefed one "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency." Some strange coincidence there, wot?



Here's a transcript of the above:



Date: November 29, 1963

To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State

From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963

Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

# # #



I do remember that GHWB was head of the CIA when the Church Committee was looking into the CIA assassination programs. He made things all friendly-like and turned what had been a serious hunt for truth under previous DCI Colby into another dog-and-pony show that was big on show and light on facts.

Regarding Dallas: Now I don't know if Poppy was a trigger man, was only there to watch what happened or what just happened to be there. I do know Poppy Bush has never explained these memos. He's never even admitted where he was the day JFK was killed.

Seeing how he would go on to become President, as would his dim son, I believe it's vitally important that we learn the Truth.

Why? The United States and the world haven't been the same since November 22, 1963. And not a single major player in the nation's mass media have stepped up and demanded a real investigation. So, it's up to us, We the People.

What's more, Poppy Bush sheltered mass-murdering jet-bombing terrorists like Luis Posada Carriles.

Why you would make fun of me for pointing this out, Dr Hobbitstein, says more about you than me.
 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
44. I miss our long walks on the beach.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:16 PM
Mar 2016

You'd whisper of the Illuminati and the BFEE in my ear. We'd frolic in the sand. What happened to us, my dear fish?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
47. So, you can't show where I'm wrong.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:26 PM
Mar 2016

So, go ad hominem and reveal your undemocratic nature, Dr Hobbitstein.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
55. That sounds odd coming out of your mouth, Dr Hobbitstein.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:49 PM
Mar 2016

Anything to say about secret government and how it helps the elite maintain power?

For those interested in the subject:



Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change.

The people we elect aren’t the ones calling the shots, says Tufts University’s Michael Glennon


by Jordan Michael Smith
The Boston Globe, OCTOBER 19, 2014

THE VOTERS WHO put Barack Obama in office expected some big changes. From the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping to Guantanamo Bay to the Patriot Act, candidate Obama was a defender of civil liberties and privacy, promising a dramatically different approach from his predecessor.

But six years into his administration, the Obama version of national security looks almost indistinguishable from the one he inherited. Guantanamo Bay remains open. The NSA has, if anything, become more aggressive in monitoring Americans. Drone strikes have escalated. Most recently it was reported that the same president who won a Nobel Prize in part for promoting nuclear disarmament is spending up to $1 trillion modernizing and revitalizing America’s nuclear weapons.

Why did the face in the Oval Office change but the policies remain the same? Critics tend to focus on Obama himself, a leader who perhaps has shifted with politics to take a harder line. But Tufts University political scientist Michael J. Glennon has a more pessimistic answer: Obama couldn’t have changed policies much even if he tried.

Though it’s a bedrock American principle that citizens can steer their own government by electing new officials, Glennon suggests that in practice, much of our government no longer works that way. In a new book, “National Security and Double Government,” he catalogs the ways that the defense and national security apparatus is effectively self-governing, with virtually no accountability, transparency, or checks and balances of any kind. He uses the term “double government”: There’s the one we elect, and then there’s the one behind it, steering huge swaths of policy almost unchecked. Elected officials end up serving as mere cover for the real decisions made by the bureaucracy.

Glennon cites the example of Obama and his team being shocked and angry to discover upon taking office that the military gave them only two options for the war in Afghanistan: The United States could add more troops, or the United States could add a lot more troops. Hemmed in, Obama added 30,000 more troops.

Glennon’s critique sounds like an outsider’s take, even a radical one. In fact, he is the quintessential insider: He was legal counsel to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a consultant to various congressional committees, as well as to the State Department. “National Security and Double Government” comes favorably blurbed by former members of the Defense Department, State Department, White House, and even the CIA. And he’s not a conspiracy theorist: Rather, he sees the problem as one of “smart, hard-working, public-spirited people acting in good faith who are responding to systemic incentives”—without any meaningful oversight to rein them in.

CONTINUED...

http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/10/18/vote-all-you-want-the-secret-government-won-change/jVSkXrENQlu8vNcBfMn9sL/story.html



You should read more Dr Hobbitstein, you might learn something you need to know.
 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
25. Here in WI it's like this the "Paul Ryan" now Speaker and Scott WALKER and another party leader
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 04:40 PM
Mar 2016

Rep. Ron Kind (DINO-WI) and DLC hack Al From complain that progressives exist (DownstateDemocrat DKOS 11-18-15)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/18/1451865/-Rep-Ron-Kind-DINO-WI-and-DLC-hack-Al-From-complain-progressives-exist

What is a freaking New Democrat that Ron Kind "leads"???

New Democrats aka Clinton Democrats-yep (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrat

Enough. No more.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
27. New Democrat Coalition. Advised by the Third Way.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:01 PM
Mar 2016

DINO nest. I won'y vote for any of them, when given the opportunity - no matter what.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
50. ''The Democratic Weaselship Council'' (Joan Walsh on the DLC)
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:37 PM
Mar 2016


The Democratic Weaselship Council

by Joan Walsh, Salon.com, July 29, 2003

Has Karl Rove taken over the Democratic Leadership Council? I can’t think of another explanation for the centrist clique’s destructive guerrilla war against fellow Democrats. Tuesday’s New York Times outlines the latest assault: A DLC conference this week devoted to blasting the party’s presidential hopefuls for their “far left” critique of President Bush’s budget-busting tax cuts and his dishonesty in leading the nation into war. If hitting Bush on those blunders really makes Democrats unelectable, the nation is in worse trouble than the DLC thinks.

No one knows right now which issues will carry the day come November 2004. Bush is stumbling lately, but an economic rebound and some success in pacifying Iraq could send his poll numbers soaring again. The left’s perhaps-fatal weakness is wishful thinking about Bush’s vulnerability. Yet two facts are and will remain politically crucial: The economy is a shambles at least partly because of Bush’s wrongheaded, reward-the-rich tax cuts, and the nation still doesn’t know the truth about why we started a bloody, costly war that’s a long way from over. Democrats can and do disagree about how to deal with both sets of issues — how to repair the economy as well as Iraq — but saying the party shouldn’t criticize Bush’s approaches is dangerous and delusional.

I live in California, though, and this behavior is familiar to me: It’s the standard M.O. of the state Republican Party, whose annual conventions always feature a circular firing squad as part of the entertainment. Decades of ideological infighting and far-right litmus testing has ensured that only the least electable GOP candidates survive in California. Of course there’s a key difference between the DLC and California Republicans, in that the centrist group insists it’s opposed to extremism, and only wants to make the party more palatable to mainstream voters, while the state GOP seems determined to advance only the most extreme politicians to its top ranks. But the Democratic centrists seem in danger of adopting a political terror strategy that resembles the California GOP’s, and it involves doing the enemy’s work for them: damaging your own party’s candidates by declaring them ideologically flawed and unelectable before the other side has a chance to.

SNIP...

Let me be fair and admit that the DLC did several crucial things for the Democrats. The DLC critique forced the party to face up to the terrible failure that went along with being a whiny collection of special interests — labor, blacks, gays, women, assorted malcontents — a dysfunctional amalgam that was weaker, not stronger, than the sum of its parts. The DLC compelled the party to acknowledge that more government spending on welfare, on schools, on public services, hadn’t wiped out poverty or improved public education, and that innovation, accountability and results had to be what Democrats demanded, not merely new programs and funding.

CONTINUED...

http://www.salon.com/2003/07/29/dlc/

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
48. Did you see this at Salon from Bill Curry?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:30 PM
Mar 2016
We must smash the Clinton machine: Democratic elites and the media sold out to Hillary this time, but change is coming

Neoliberals, D.C. careerists and the pundits lined up this time. They won't be able to rig contests moving forward


by Bill Curry
Salon, March 29, 2016

The Democratic establishment is putting all the heat it can on Bernie Sanders to drop his weapons and put his hands where we can see them. This includes the media establishment. Last Monday Politico ran a piece headlined “Democrats to Sanders: Time to wind it down,” quoting a bunch of senators who said Bernie could stay in so long as he talks just about stuff he and Hillary agree on. (Claire McCaskill: “If the contrast is about what separates us from Donald Trump, then I think it’s fine.”) If they can’t end the race, they’ll settle for ending the debate.

A Times story headlined “Obama Privately Tells Donors Time Is Coming to Unite Behind Hillary” had Obama telling DNC high rollers to “come together.” In it Obama “didn’t explicitly call on Sanders to quit” but a “White House official” confirmed his “unusually candid” words. It was a plant dressed up as a scoop. Obama spoke not privately but on background, and not to his donors but through them (and the paper) to his base. It was a different portrait of Obama as unifier: political, financial and media elites, all working as one to put down a revolt.

Obama’s neutrality is a polite scam. His “private” chat came before voters in 29 states even had their say. Presidents never let appointees make endorsements, but three Obama cabinet secretaries — Agriculture’s Tom Vilsack, HUD’s Julian Castro and Labor’s Thomas Perez — backed Clinton early, thus shepherding whole economic sectors into her camp. At Obama’s DNC, ethically challenged Debbie Wasserman Schultz brazenly violates party rules by daily rigging the game for Clinton.

Sanders often says he took on “the most powerful political machine in America,” by which he means the Clintons. He’s really fighting the whole Democratic Party: White House, Congress, DNC, elite media and, sad to say, national progressive groups. That includes organized labor but also nearly every liberal lobby in town. He’s been a more constant friend than Hillary Clinton to almost all of them — but he must face and defeat them all. That he’s done so in 14 states — 15 counting Iowa-and fought four more to a draw is a miracle — and a sign their days are truly numbered.

SNIP...

Neoliberal politics is entirely tactical and tactical thinking is static. Most people oppose Wall Street crooks, Mideast ground wars and cuts to Social Security so they talk endlessly about what the Congress they’ve corrupted won’t pass and what other voters allegedly won’t support. Neoliberals love horse-race politics because it never favors reform. Polls favor known quantities. Endorsements go to people in power; money to those willing to reward the investment. Tacticians rely on marketing tools made to manipulate, not illuminate.

Since global finance capitalism runs on pay to play politics, neoliberals promise “change” but can never deliver reform. They can’t talk us out of wanting a living wage or universal health care so they argue tactics: change is impossible because someone else doesn’t want it; we can’t afford it, even though it saves us money.

CONTINUED...

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/29/we_must_smash_the_clinton_machine_democratic_elites_and_the_media_sold_out_to_hillary_this_time_but_change_is_coming/

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
58. Thank you! That's where I saw it!
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:55 PM
Mar 2016

As I don't want to hurt any DUer feelings, I'll describe it as a solid article.

Vinca

(50,236 posts)
33. She pretty much takes the "democratic" out of Democratic Party.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 05:31 PM
Mar 2016

Why bother with primaries? Just get the elites in a room with a few cocktails and coronate Hillary.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
60. That's the Leo Strauss world view.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:14 PM
Mar 2016

He was the intellectual father of the neocon/neolib idea that some people "just know better" than others.



Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception

Many neoconservatives like Paul Wolfowitz are disciples of a philosopher who believed that the elite should use deception, religious fervor and perpetual war to control the ignorant masses.

By Jim Lobe / AlterNet May 18, 2003

What would you do if you wanted to topple Saddam Hussein, but your intelligence agencies couldn't find the evidence to justify a war?

A follower of Leo Strauss may just hire the "right" kind of men to get the job done – people with the intellect, acuity, and, if necessary, the political commitment, polemical skills, and, above all, the imagination to find the evidence that career intelligence officers could not detect.

The "right" man for Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, suggests Seymour Hersh in his recent New Yorker article entitled 'Selective Intelligence,' was Abram Shulsky, director of the Office of Special Plans (OSP) – an agency created specifically to find the evidence of WMDs and/or links with Al Qaeda, piece it together, and clinch the case for the invasion of Iraq.

Like Wolfowitz, Shulsky is a student of an obscure German Jewish political philosopher named Leo Strauss who arrived in the United States in 1938. Strauss taught at several major universities, including Wolfowitz and Shulsky's alma mater, the University of Chicago, before his death in 1973.

Strauss is a popular figure among the neoconservatives. Adherents of his ideas include prominent figures both within and outside the administration. They include 'Weekly Standard' editor William Kristol; his father and indeed the godfather of the neoconservative movement, Irving Kristol; the new Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, Stephen Cambone, a number of senior fellows at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) (home to former Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle and Lynne Cheney), and Gary Schmitt, the director of the influential Project for the New American Century (PNAC), which is chaired by Kristol the Younger.

Strauss' philosophy is hardly incidental to the strategy and mindset adopted by these men – as is obvious in Shulsky's 1999 essay titled "Leo Strauss and the World of Intelligence (By Which We Do Not Mean Nous)" (in Greek philosophy the term nous denotes the highest form of rationality). As Hersh notes in his article, Shulsky and his co-author Schmitt "criticize America's intelligence community for its failure to appreciate the duplicitous nature of the regimes it deals with, its susceptibility to social-science notions of proof, and its inability to cope with deliberate concealment." They argued that Strauss's idea of hidden meaning, "alerts one to the possibility that political life may be closely linked to deception. Indeed, it suggests that deception is the norm in political life, and the hope, to say nothing of the expectation, of establishing a politics that can dispense with it is the exception."

CONTINUED...

http://www.alternet.org/story/15935/leo_strauss%27_philosophy_of_deception



Thank you for grokking, Vinca. The idea that one person is more valuable than another -- in a socity, the elite, for instance -- is most undemocratic.
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
42. Wow. She came right out and said it.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:23 AM
Mar 2016

The Democratic party is opposed to the "grassroots," also known as the rank and file members of the party.

I handed out bumper stickers for H.H. Humphrey but I think my days as a Democrat will be over soon, if this corrupt management continues.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
45. Actually, what she was referring to was
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:20 PM
Mar 2016

before the super delegates, the grassroots activists would have to fight against the party establishment to get a spot at the convention. Now, the grassroots delegates don't have to fight against the party establishment to get to the convention. But you can take any quote and make it sound out of context.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
49. Wow. That's a pretty convoluted interpretaton.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:32 PM
Mar 2016

In fact, your interpretation is exactly the opposite of how a normal, reasonably intelligent person would interpret her remarks.


"Unpledged delegates exist really to make sure that party leaders and elected officials don't have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists."

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
52. Yes. For a spot at the convention.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:40 PM
Mar 2016

Has nothing to do with the actual candidates in the primary, but the delegates we elect to go to the convention.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
46. I recently saw a Republican roundtable discussion, where they were saying how the GOP needs to
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:23 PM
Mar 2016

institute a super delegate system like the Democrats. They said if they had that, they could nip their Trump problem in the bud and ensure that only 'reasonable' candidates make it through the primaries.

That tells me all I need to know about the super delegate system, and who it serves.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
53. The word ''Elite'' stands for one thing -- a number: One Percent.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:44 PM
Mar 2016

And when the Democratic Party supports that Elite. they are doing the work of the Republican Party.

PS: Note how angry Dr Hobbitstein acts in the thread above when I brought up the role of the secret government in service of the Elite -- the Establishment. Here's what his, to put it mildly, incuriousity may cause DUers to miss: The secret government uses all its powers to stay in power and wealthy -- which is most undemocratic and corrupt.

In 1975, Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho), a patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American, tried to warn us.

The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:

[font color="green"]“That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.

I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”[/font color]

-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election the next cycle.


And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:

In 1980, Church will lose re-election to the Senate in part because of accusations of his committee’s responsibility for Welch’s death by his Republican opponent, Jim McClure.

SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1


From GWU's National Security Archives:



"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.

Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era

Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations


National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted – September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr

Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 – During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).

SNIP...

Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]

SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/



I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-PA), a liberal Republican, also got the treatment from NSA?

“I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up.” — Senator Richard Schweiker on “Face the Nation” in 1976.

Lost to History NOT, thanks to people who care. Thank you, infinitely, Marr.
 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
62. A "superdelegate" to me is like a political police officer/apparatchik x millions of voters
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 04:38 PM
Mar 2016

Commissar (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissar

Then there is the corruption to con$ider....

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
63. That's what they were talking about a few election nights back...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 05:05 PM
Mar 2016

...Rachel and Brian Williams and some eminence gris out of Reagan's White House who smiled big all about the money/corruption angle. The expert said Superdelegates are basically trolling for jobs up to the convention, without saying so: whipsawing candidates one off one another.

One thing's certain, Superdelegates are Superundemocratic.

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