2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie is not racist and neither are his followers
I don't support bernie for a number of reasons but one thing I am sure of he and his followers are not racist.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Rove mastered the tactic of attacking your opponent's strengths over their weaknesses. Hillary knows that he has a strong, of behind the scenes, role on civil rights. Thus, she attacks him and his backers as being racist, just to get the meme going, because she knows, he beats her in the fight for civil rights.
dogman
(6,073 posts)This is taking a strength and lying to present it as a weakness.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)And, it works, because these attacks make good headlines. And, the average voter only reads headlines so they are already against Sanders, even though it is a lie, because the headlines frame him in the talking points manner.
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)He dropped civil Rights when he went to Vermont.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)He Braveheart!
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)I am from that time. He had a stint in the 60's that was quite common for NYC Jewish people. He did a good job for about 3 years and as soon as he moved to Vermont he did nothing for 50 years. He never worked with anyone in the AA community. He gave none of his time and he basically ignored the community. look at this video of him visiting the church in SC. He is so totally lost. i don't think he has had an actual African American friend.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)That is not true. Please see, e.g., the following story from alternet:
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-examples-bernie-sanders-powerful-record-civil-and-human-rights-1950s
senz
(11,945 posts)He did indeed serve and represent the people of Vermont, but from his position as a legislator in D.C., he constantly fought for a fair break for PoC. It's part of who he is.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511324268
The lengthier report from which the OP was taken can be found here: http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-examples-bernie-sanders-powerful-record-civil-and-human-rights-1950s
You CANNOT deny Bernie's life work. Hillary will have to find some other way to grab the nomination.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)We know he never stopped fighting for our rights.
Or don't our rights count?
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Was that someone *other* than Bernie Sanders?
Y'all are embarrassing yourselves. But don't let me stop you.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I will repost something I posted in another thread that said basically the same thing.
I am a Bernie supporter. I voted for Bernie and I haven't been shy about saying so, including in the African American group. They made me a group host, knowing I was going to vote for Bernie Sanders. I don't think they'd make me a group host if they thought that my choice to vote for Bernie made me anti-black or pro-racism.
The false narrative that anyone at DU is claiming voting for Bernie is anti-black or pro-racism is absurd and straight-up wrong.
There have been black DUers who say that they are voting for Hillary because of her relationship to the African American community. There have also been black DUers who say they are not voting for Bernie because they aren't comfortable with how he discusses (or doesn't discuss) issues of importance to African Americans. Them voting the way they are because of racial issues does not mean they or anyone thinks that voting differently is a pro-racist choice. They can inform their decision of how to vote any way they want, and they can discuss it if they want. They also don't have to walk on eggshells to avoid offending anyone who might be bothered by their opinions or who might misinterpret them.
dogman
(6,073 posts)All weekend I heard that Bernie won because these were "white states". He might win Wisconsin because it is another "white state". When that was debunked, the meme was changed to "non-black states". I've seen post after post that Bernie was racist for ignoring the South. Now that he won states, they don't matter because they are in the West. This is a MSM and HRC campaign device to drive a wedge between voters. If Hillary wins the nomination, the MSM and the GOP will tell us that she is divisive and dislikes white voters. It's known as addition through division. Divide and conquer has been a tried and true method for the retention of power.
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)I do appreciate your sentiments.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)They are simply tone deaf.
senz
(11,945 posts)The Hill campaign knows the PoC demographic is absolutely necessary for her to win the nomination. Without the votes of PoC, she's on very shaky ground. Hillary must have the votes of PoC, especially AA's.
So her organization will say anything to make one of the most solid legislative advocates for the rights of PoC appear racist -- and since there is nothing in Bernie's history to justify the lie, they're putting it on his supporters.
The cognitive dissonance in their charade is the fact that NO racist would support the most egalitarian candidate. Racists would hate Bernie for his total inclusiveness. The only way Bernie could get the racist vote in the GE would be if they could overlook his inclusiveness and egalitarianism in favor of what he will do for the working class.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)And there is no other word for people, ostensibly "progressive" people, who call blacks "low-information voters" for supporting Clinton except "racist." Sorry, but that bell can't be un-rung.
senz
(11,945 posts)not of those who've been cheated by them -- our neighbors and family members who are too busy, too over-worked, too tired, too distracted, to seek alternative sources of information.
Those who call out the MSM by referring to the plethora of low-information fellow Americans manipulated by the MSM are NOT racist.
Anything but.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)"Just all the black people who watch or read the news, or made up their mind before seeing the Bernie campaign website."
Surrogates and supporters of Bernie Sanders have openly insulted black voters for backing Clinton. You can mince words all you want, but it was real, it happened, and it was ugly.
Sorry, but this is what you get by aligning yourself with a bunch of disaffected libertarian former Ron/Rand Paul supporters. Maybe tell them to stop saying it, rather than telling the people they're offending to get over it.
senz
(11,945 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Naturally the description of low information voters is conscious.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)Renew Deal
(81,802 posts)Where did this come from?
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)and I thought it would be good to try to put this too rest. However you have to see my post on people with over 20,000 posts.
senz
(11,945 posts)I don't have anywhere near that number but can understand how one might chalk up a lot of comments during an extremely important primary season. It also helps to be retired and coming off (knock on wood) an extended convalescence. Plus, shy people might find this mode of communication more comfortable. There are probably all kinds of reasons, some healthier than others.
dchill
(38,322 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)Bernie & Hillary both, I'm sure have some racist supporters.
I would like to think that the vast majority of their supporters are not racists.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)bullshit loaded language the reminds me of the nasty nature of your transparency page and of the actions of other Clinton supporters on DU of similar transparency of page and of intentions.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)I am so sick of the hypocrisy on this issue.