Susan Sarandon represents what this country needs more of: Independent Thinkers.

[Skwmom]

And people who are willing to deal in reality.

[beam me up scottie]

1. She's too uppity for some.

Doesn't fall in line when told to do so.

[Skwmom]

3. The looks on the faces of the corp hacks when they are confronted w/someone who isn't buying into

their b.s. is priceless!

[beam me up scottie]

5. Women's opinions are only valid if they agree with mine, dammit!

[CoffeeCat]

9. Here's to all of the people who don't fall in line!

History is filled with heroes and heroines who refused to "fall in line."

Raises glass!

[beam me up scottie]

16. Indeed.

Cheers!

[NWCorona]

21. Truth!

[LWolf]

93. Exactly. nt

[HERVEPA]

2. By putting a Republican in office if Hillary is nominated. Not my kind of reality.

[2banon]

36. No faith in your candidate? No Worries! Raygun Dems pledge to

vote for Hillary! En Masse. And Los Angeles Times reported that bernie supporters will flock to Hillary if she's the nom.

I guarantee you she's gonna pull in all the Neo Cons, no trump supporter, they. They're her base.

So really, no worries.

[lostnfound]

102. I know Republicans who are planning on voting for her. So she won't need progressives like me.

I never thought republicans would vote for her, but the sane ones are disgusted by trump, pleased by Hillary's familiar neocon-lite foreign policy, familiar status quo economics, and feeling good about themselves for being open minded enough to support a woman.

Amazing that the GOP found not one but TWO front runners that are objectionable to a
more than a third of their base. Enough in some cases to overcome their Clinton-phobia.

[bettyellen]

110. I keep reading Republicans hate her, and then shit like this. Seriously, get your stories straight.

Not buying the hate meme. Hate is for suckers.

[oasis]

4. I'd think more independently too if I had $50 million+ in the bank.

oh how sweet it is.

[dogman]

6. And yet she fights to pay more taxes.

What's wrong with her?

[Skwmom]

10. She isn't greedy enough and actually gives a damn about the working class.

[oasis]

30. Easy for her to roll the dice like she did with Nader.

So what if Joe and Jill Sixpack get stuck with a Dubya or a Trump. Susan won't need to adjust her spending habits to compensate for another downturn in the national economy.

That's how she rolls.

[dogman]

34. So she gave us w?

I wondered where he came from. I wonder why she doesn't just go out and spend her money?

[oasis]

41. Easy for many DUers to say Hillary "gave us the Iraq invasion"

but, somehow, Sarandon giving us Bush is too much of a reach.

[dogman]

44. Yes a single vote in a GE is comparable to a Senators vote.

double

[oasis]

54. Just a guess but

I'm sure Sarandon's campaigning for Nader in 2000 resulted in more than a single vote being tossed away.

[dogman]

56. Those votes were theirs to toss.

How many lazy asses failed to vote at all? But blame her if it gives you peace of mind.

[GreenPartyVoter]

86. I love how it's never the fault of the dems for running bad candidates on a bad platform with a bad

campaign. It's the fault of the voter for not being able to see past all that, hold their nose, and pull the lever marked, "Please Sir, may I have some more?"

[revbones]

104. For some it's never the establishment that loses

It's only because the candidate wasn't establishment enough...

[GreenPartyVoter]

107. So true!

[treestar]

89. by the logic that blames Hillary entirely for Iraq it does

can't have it both ways there.

[Armstead]

95. In a Senate vote where the choice was between siding with Bush or all those against the invasion...

and in which the vote actually determined whether he was given authorization to pursue an insane course of action...Clinton sided with Bush and insanity.

That's pretty cut and dried.

[Hydra]

38. Considering Hillary has been a strong advocate of the Bush Family

And Bill invited Trump to this year's election...I find your post exceptionally ironic.

[oasis]

52. When Trump installs three Scalia clones on the Supreme Court

you can enjoy the irony of it having little effect on the lives of the folks in Sarandon's income level.

The rest of us are stuck with two decades ultra right rulings from the bench.

[Hydra]

55. Well, considering Hillary is 50/50 against Trump and has an active FBI investigation on her

Does that mean we should forward all complaints to you and Team Hill for bringing us Trump if she can't pull out a miracle?

[oasis]

57. Beating the e-mail rap would take a miracle?

[Hydra]

60. No, beating the Trump monster they invited to the Party

The plan was to face Jeb in the GE, not an outsider who plays by no rules and has paid her in the past. Better start planning on how to deal with that now, and in more than "Cut it out!"

[oasis]

63. Not to worry. The dreaded "Clinton Machine"

is way ahead of you on this, and any other angle the amateurs among us can dream up.

[Hydra]

66. Lol, the Clinton Machine is currently upset about a bird

And why Hawaiians don't feel the magic. And why caucuses are bad.

I'd pass you but I'm sure the that would get you in trouble :p

[Autumn]

61. The TPP has more bearing on and will harm more people than the scotus will.

[oasis]

64. Citizens United, voting rights, women's health issues.

Pretty important stuff to be considered.

[Autumn]

65. TPP . That is all nt

[bettyellen]

68. because we are bringing back all the factories any day now, right....

[Autumn]

72. Those factories are gone and they aren't coming back. Such a silly remark. nt

[bettyellen]

67. Bill "invited Trump to this years election"? Which episode was that in?

Are you sure you don't mean his daughter's baby shower, because I could see that? trump is amazing at one thing- choosing toys.

[Hydra]

75. Aww...you seem to have missed all the fun at the beginning of the Primary!

Bill provided a sounding board for Trump and encouraged him to get into the race. Lots of people thought it was a good idea at the time- it caused mass chaos among the clown car...and then things got out of hand. He didn't wash out as expected by even him.

Now, instead of actually doing something about it, Team Clinton is saying that only they can beat the monster they let loose...but only with all of our votes and unquestioned support.

Kinda funny how that works, isn't it? Someone in the establishment breaks something, but suddenly it's our problem to fix? Like Iraq/ISIS?

[bettyellen]

82. I thought they both denied it. But if so, it is pretty brilliant. Trump is not going to win in Nov.

Why would he listen to Clinton? What an idiot.

[Cobalt Violet]

92. maybe Joe and Jill sixpack haven't seen any improvement in their economies under Obama.

I know I have not. I have lost ground. Many in the working class have. Trickle down has run it course and is proven to have not worked for all but the 1%. Why are the Dems still trying to prop it up?
Our party doesn't address the working people's problems anymore. I don't think Susan will be to blame if we end up with Trump.

[Skwmom]

7. I find some great independent thinkers among the working class. On the other hand,

some of those with all of those great degrees mindlessly buy into the stupidest b.s.

[oasis]

73. "Burn down the village in order to save it"

Those NOT living in the village have the luxury of debating how good of an idea it is.

[bettyellen]

83. bless her heart, she means well. isn't that enough?

[Armstead]

96. yes. And she means well by supporting sanders for President.

[Armstead]

14. Many people with 50 milliion sit on their asses or

Do destructive greedy things to get even more money....or spend all their time shopping and vacationing

Good for her for trying to make the world a little bit better instead....and putting up with shit from people who don't lije it

[oasis]

76. "Saving the whales" becomes her, while "Jumping the shark x2"

Not so much.

[Peregrine Took]

8. Expressed my views exactly. Love her! n/t

[madamesilverspurs]

11. Who'd vote for Trump if Sanders isn't nominated?

No, thanks. Make that a YUUUGE no.

[beam me up scottie]

13. Did she say that? I must have missed that part.

[NWCorona]

17. She didn't

She just said she can't vote for Hillary

[beam me up scottie]

19. She would most likely write in Bernie's name or vote for Jill Stein.

I can't believe the lengths some people will go to to smear her.

[NWCorona]

26. Jill has my vote if Bernie doesn't make it

But I know he will!

[BernieforPres2016]

46. Favorite group: Hillary Clinton

How did I know that before even looking? Goodbye.

[baldguy]

85. Echos the feeling of too many Sanders supporters.

[Joe the Revelator]

12. What did she say?

[Skwmom]

25. Here is a link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1598433

[Joe the Revelator]

27. Thanks.nt

[Joe the Revelator]

32. I guess I don't see what people are upset about. nt

[Hydra]

40. General panic over the GE

Some people skipped over the part where we vote before we get to that point.

[uponit7771]

15. Or rich people who can afford to vote for Donald Trump... most Americans can't afford to take that..

... chance

[Skwmom]

18. Funny. I think that about all of the rich people endorsing Clinton (e.g., Clooney).

[Dawson Leery]

20. Rich people for Bernie: Seth McFairlane, Danny Devito, Susan Sarandon.

[Rebkeh]

28. And the Gordon Gecko dude nt

[Starry Messenger]

91. Steve Wozniak too.

[closeupready]

108. Rich people for Hillary: Katy Perry; Lena Dunham; Kim Kardashian;

Meryl Streep; Bill and Chelsea Clinton ...

[uponit7771]

22. "when you talk about ghettos traditionally, what you talk about is African-American communities. "

[beam me up scottie]

29. Oh give it a rest, out of context quotes don't work here, we're not stupid.

[uponit7771]

33. There's no context for that statement that's not negative and blacks aren't rich according to...

... Sanders intimations here so all "rich" people aren't supporting Clinton

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. We had the full quote here

give it a rest. He was addressing the FUCKING MAINSTREAM MEDIA that go there every fucking time; You know it. So stop it.

[uponit7771]

39. ummm, no... we can all read and his statement was fucked up period full stop. Either way,...

... all rich people are not support Clinton

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Yes we can, and by the way, ghetto is not just a word that applies to African Americans

but whatever buddy, I am getting tired of the racist bullshit I get to read here.

I expected it, but I am getting fucking tired of the divisive CLINTON CAMPAIGN, got it fucking now?

[uponit7771]

45. Racist bullshit is Sanders having Cornell West stump for him but mostly in front of white people

... and not down South were folk know he's full of shit.

Again, there's NO CONTEXT where that statement like that wont get you fired at work or some shit.... its negative and he shouldn't have said it and by his own words blacks aren't the rich so no... all the rich aren't supporting Clinton

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. Racist bullshit is trying to silence PoC you do not like

which incidentally includes Cornell West.

have an excellent day, night what have you. My wall is far less hard to speak to, and I still need to read the fucking budget

[uponit7771]

49. No one wants to silence Cornell West but Sanders, I've not seen hide nor hair of the dude since IA..

... where he shouldn't have been associated with anyone's campaign anyway.

Have a good night

[beam me up scottie]

50. Nice try but like I said people here aren't stupid, we see what you're doing.

Sanders told a moving story about how, as a newly elected congressman in Washington, D.C., about 20 years ago, he was shocked to learn that a fellow congressman, who was black, avoided taking cabs because it was humiliating when drivers would go past him because of his race.

He also said he was humbled when a young woman active in the Black Lives Matter movement came up and told him that he simply doesn’t understand what police do in many black communities on a regular basis, beyond the shootings that tend to get more attention.

“You don’t understand the degree to which we are terrorized. ... I‘m just talking about everyday activities where police officers are bullying people,” Sanders recounted the woman telling him.

“When you’re white, you don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto,” Sanders concluded. “You don’t know what it’s like to be poor. You don’t know what it’s like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car. And I believe that as a nation in the year 2016, we must be firm in making it clear, we will end institutional racism and reform a broken criminal justice system.”

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/bernie-sanders-ghetto_us_56dce712e4b03a405679062b

When Bernie referred to ghettos he wasn't saying only black people live in them, he's Jewish so he knows what the defintion is even if you don't.

Context matters.

[uponit7771]

98. People don't have to be smart either to see that statement in many context is bad. There's nothing

... you posted that changes that.

I don't care what he "also said", his point was made and it was wrong period.

Most blacks aren't poor and most blacks are not welfare concentrated either, another negative stereo type a non Hillary camp pushed this primary

[beam me up scottie]

99. History and context matter even if you don't understand them.

We are you and know what you're doing, try peddling that meme somewhere else.

[uponit7771]

100. I understand history just fine, Sanders repeated a meme that started in the 80s and it was wrong

... then and its wrong now.

Sanders statement in regards to blacks and the ghetto being wrong isn't a meme though.... its fact, period end of story.

Of course there will be the usual amnesia in a month or two when people will bring up the fact that some tried to defend Sanders on this statement but that's been par of the course.

[beam me up scottie]

101. No he didn't, that's your spin and it has nothing to do with what he said or meant.

You can keep spinning it all day but like I said, DUers aren't stupid.

[NuclearDem]

23. Independent?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

24. K&R Clintonian Third Way DLC has got to go!

[RandySF]

31. I wish I had her resources

to weather the shitstorm of a four years that a President Cruz or a President Trump would be if enough like her refuse to vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. Talk about being out of touch with the rest of the country.

[ThePhilosopher04]

43. If you supported the right candidate you wouldn't have to worry about the shit storm.

You bring it on yourself if you vote for Hillary.

[RandySF]

51. I think we will do fine without Ms. Sarandon.

[Politicalboi]

37. In the Bubble, she's being shamed

How can she do this to Hillary

How will Susan sleep tonight.

[BernieforPres2016]

48. Yes, I think we have a new term

There's fat shaming, there's skinny shaming....now there's Hillary shaming, when people try and tell you that if Bernie doesn't win the nomination you just HAVE to vote for Hillary! You might not? What?????? But...but....Trump!!!!!

[onehandle]

53. She helped elect George W. Bush.

Nader supporters know little about reality.

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. Conservadems in Florida did that actually

and they also elected Reagan.

[Hydra]

62. George W Bush was never elected n/t

[Mary Mac]

59. well I loved her in Bull Durham

And she's been progressive for decades, so this is consistent.

[Autumn]

69. Here's to uppity women everywhere who support a man who supports them

[beam me up scottie]

70. Cheers!

[Autumn]

74. Here's to us

[beam me up scottie]

77. Bottoms up!

[cosmicone]

71. Susan Sarandon the Naderite ... who gave us GW Bush

[Autumn]

78. Nah, that was the supreme court. No prize for you.

[beam me up scottie]

79. History is hard.

[Autumn]

80. Yeah you would think it would be easy since it was only 16 years ago.

But no... they keep ignoring it. Oh well how does it go? If you only have a hammer everything is a nail.

[beam me up scottie]

81. It's why DU was created.

The election that wasn't, a theft from all of us.

[Autumn]

84. It was so easy for many to transfer their hate and anger away from the suprme court

who had no right to do what they did to a person who had every right to run.

[seabeyond]

87. She reduces women to body parts because they do not vote how she wants.

That hardly is respectful to independent thinking.

[polly7]

105. No, she doesn't believe people should vote depending on which body parts they have

and that 'she' doesn't vote with her vagina. Seems like a simple and common sense statement.

[seabeyond]

109. She reduces women to body parts. There is no reason to reduce women to a mere body part,

but to be disrespectful. The woman could have easily treated women as a whole human being with the words....

women shouldn't vote for women simply cause

She reduces women to body parts, playing in our patriarchal society.

[polly7]

111. Ya ........... everything to you is reduced to body parts.

I remember when the FEMEN women were just 'taking their clothes off for the menzzz'.

Strange that you can't see what she was obviously stating - people shouldn't vote based on gender. A vagina happens to represent a woman's gender. But that's a bad, bad word?

[seabeyond]

115. FIRST sentence. Ya, ... when reducing to body part like, calling women vaginas, I am gonna call it

[polly7]

120. Who called women vaginas?

Why even lie about what was said?

[seabeyond]

118. How ironic, this woman telling us not to vote our vagina, as she suggest a Repug, taking away girls

and women's medical rights, their very healthcare.

Ironic that, ya think? Of course as a Democrat, you would get just how fuckin' ironic it is for Sarandon to tell me, she does not vote with her vagina, and then telling me it is cool to vote in republicans, as they have already gutted girls and women's right to a legal medical procedure.

Surely as a Democrat, as a woman, or a mere vagina, you kinda like.... have an issue.

[polly7]

121. How fucking ironic.

Sarandon being pushed in an interview to state who she'd vote for and instead saying 'none of your fucking business' (paraphrasing) and laughing at the possibility of it being Trump. But she was exactly right, he would bring an instant revolution - and not a good one. I'd laugh if some asshole did the same to me ........ she's not a stupid woman, she knew what he was trying to get out of her.

Just as everyone here has been slobbering over for the last few days - something to twist into 'OMG, Sarandon - Bernie 'surrogate'! is saying vote for Trump!' Which is just another sad, pathetic lie.

She also tweeted she would never vote for Trump.

Are people REALLY this dense???

[seabeyond]

123. Sarandonfucked up and is now back pedaling as fast as she can. Gotcha.

[polly7]

124. Nah ........ seabeyond fucked up, just as you did with those horrible, nasty Femen women.

Gotcha.

[seabeyond]

125. back pedal, back pedal....

[polly7]

126. Back pedal? Riding your stationery? That's excellent, you should go forward though,

it's better for the calves.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

114. You'll need to document your claim. Proof is required--an unfortunate consequence of the

way Clinton has run her campaign.

[seabeyond]

116. Well dude, it is kinda all over the net. BWTH, if one doesnt follow the campaigns and the happening

[polly7]

122. What?? nt.

[treestar]

88. Merely being in a small minority of thought

doesn't make you right.

As in the bandwagon fallacy - a thing isn't true simply because "everyone believes it." Neither is a thing true because only a few or only one person believe it.

People are not failing to think independently simply because they agree with a lot of other people.

I can "independently" think 4+4=2.

[Bluenorthwest]

94. Remember your posts telling LGBT we had 'plenty of rights already'? I sure do.

You were speaking for the majority of uptight and to the right straight folks and you were disgustingly wrong and enormously bigoted:

"There is nothing bigoted about the fact

There there is only one right you do not have. And people who give no credit to Obama for what he did already while making as if it is the only issue that matters are just wrong. There's always going to be some new demand. I am a woman and we don't have all our rights all the time, or some are threatened, but this is the US where we can talk about it, protest and I don't go around saying I have no rights. Not when looking at women in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia for instance.

If I am a bigot for caring about other issues, then fine. I don't think gay marriage is the only civil rights issue there is. Or the only issue that matters. And there is free speech. And the rest of the bill of rights. You should be ashamed for not caring about anyone or anything else."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2952192

It is the sort of things believed by those who would favor the candidate who opposed marriage equality until 2013 and who claims the Reagans were great heroes of the AIDS crisis.

[closeupready]

113. Me, too. Thank you.

[LexVegas]

90. ...

[Duppers]

97. The Daily Beast is lying about what Susan said. nt

[FlatBaroque]

117. But as you know The Daily Beast and Blue Nation REview are the only two

legit news sources.

[Duppers]

119. LoL!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

103. Someone thinking for themselves is frightening to the group thinkers.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. Friedrich Nietzsche

[LonePirate]

106. Anybody like Sarandon who would support Trump over Hillary or Bernie is an uneducated voter.

She needs to be ignored for her stupidity.

[peacebird]

127. She supports BERNIE, and go watch what she said for yourself. have you seen it?

[Uncle Joe]

112. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Skwmom.