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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:29 AM Mar 2016

It's official: Bernie's campaign managers put on their clown suits



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Bernie Sanders’ Campaign Claims He Didn’t Compete In States He Actually Competed In
By Samantha Lachman


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Jeff Weaver, Sanders’ campaign manager, said on the call that their campaign chose not to compete in eight of the 32 states that have held primaries or caucuses so far. Weaver identified Texas, Alabama, Virginia, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Georgia and Louisiana as the states where they didn’t mount a challenge to Clinton, who swept all of the Southern contests; he said the Sanders campaign did not broadcast television advertisements in those eight states or have “a big campaign presence.”

“Almost all of Secretary Clinton’s delegate lead come from states where she faced little or no competition,” said Tad Devine, Sanders’ senior campaign strategist. “Her grasp now on the nomination is almost entirely on the basis of victories in states where Bernie Sanders did not compete.”

Devine and Weaver’s claim depends on one’s definition of the word “compete” during the Southern primaries, where Clinton netted over 300 delegates.

Sanders held rallies in Austin and Dallas. He held multiple events in Virginia. He held rallies in Atlanta, Georgia. He also visited Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana. His campaign had field offices in most of those states. If he wasn’t actually competing in the South, where his campaign always acknowledged he faced an uphill battle because of Clinton’s popularity among African-American voters, then why bother visiting?


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His campaign’s dismissal of his losses in the Southern primaries also doesn’t account for Clinton’s wins in Ohio, South Carolina, Massachusetts, Arizona, North Carolina and Florida, which Sanders visited multiple times and where his campaign ran television ads.

The rhetoric about not competing in the South is at odds with Sanders’ own argument that the Democratic Party should advance “a 50-state strategy” and Sanders’ comment after the Nevada caucus that his campaign would “be competing in 11 states all across this country on Super Tuesday.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-campaign_us_56f98f5ae4b0a372181aa375
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It's official: Bernie's campaign managers put on their clown suits (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 OP
Death throes of a dying campaign. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #1
The same death throes that went 3/3 70%+ and cut the delegate gap by 30% GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #4
Indeed. nt Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #7
More desperation and lies. Who is surprised? n/t livetohike Mar 2016 #2
Tad and Jeff are in it for themselves. Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #9
Exactly. Why should Bernie care? It's not his money. n/t livetohike Mar 2016 #21
You just can't help yourself unapatriciated Mar 2016 #3
I've already issued my verdict: Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #5
damn, you doubled down. unapatriciated Mar 2016 #8
The video speaks for itself Gothmog Mar 2016 #15
would an apology suffice? reddread Mar 2016 #11
The real problem remains math firebrand80 Mar 2016 #6
Troll bait... HumanityExperiment Mar 2016 #10
You mean the reality based suspects? boston bean Mar 2016 #12
56%... HumanityExperiment Mar 2016 #18
You've got it all figured out... SidDithers Mar 2016 #16
Yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #22
Like Lucy and Ethel wrapping chocolates on a fast moving conveyer belt. oasis Mar 2016 #13
Here is more on this silly claim Gothmog Mar 2016 #14
What utter bullshit. To effectively compete in a state where you are unknown and not receiving Skwmom Mar 2016 #17
Rachel Maddow handed Tad Devine his ass last night. n/t cosmicone Mar 2016 #19
No she didn't she looked like an idiot who didn't even ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2016 #20
Yeah their excuses made them look ridiculous. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #24
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
9. Tad and Jeff are in it for themselves.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:51 AM
Mar 2016

They know he can't win, but they still want to line their pockets.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
3. You just can't help yourself
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:32 AM
Mar 2016

Still waiting for your apology for the last negative OP. But hey it is only Sanders and his supporters who love all that negativity.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1599780

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
8. damn, you doubled down.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:45 AM
Mar 2016

If you watched the vid you would have seen a campaign aid coming to let Sanders know Jane was directly behind him. He only stated don't stand there, where he could have accidentally hit her (he does use his hands a lot while talking). Couples who have been together for years are comfortable enough with each other to be honest and direct. But you choose to see something were nothing existed and now you double down.

You do Clinton a disservice by using trump like campaign attacks. But do continue on.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
11. would an apology suffice?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:55 AM
Mar 2016

not without a conscience transplant.
and whatever else may be missing altogether.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
6. The real problem remains math
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:37 AM
Mar 2016

As the clock keeps ticking, his campaign's argument that he can still win becomes weaker. Now his campaign is trying to frame an argument that says "We won most of the states that we really tried to win, so the superdelegates should go with us because of that." Classic goalpost-moving stuff.

I do find it ironic that the same crowd that was outraged at the prospect of superdelegates throwing the election for Hillary are completely cool with such a travesty of democracy favoring their guy.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
14. Here is more on this silly claim
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:00 AM
Mar 2016

This is a good report on the silliness of the Sanders campaign claim http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bernie-sanders-campaign-offers-awkward-take-state-the-race

But as a rule, presidential campaigns don’t get to lose a whole bunch of key primaries by wide margins and then declare, “Yeah, but we weren’t really trying.” If these eight nominating contests have left the Sanders campaign at a disadvantage they’re unlikely to overcome, it’s actually incumbent on his top aides and strategists to explainwhy they didn’t make more of an effort in these states.

It’s easy to imagine folks from Team Clinton saying they weren’t exactly going all out to win in Idaho and Utah – states Sanders won easily – but competitive candidates for national office don’t get to use that as an excuse when things aren’t going as well as they’d like.

At its root, Devine’s argument is that Team Sanders identified a series of early, delegate-rich states, but they chose not to bother with them. That’s not just a bad argument; it’s the kind of message that’s probably going to irritate quite a few Sanders supporters who expect more from their team.

Making matters slightly worse, Tad Devine’s pitch isn’t altogether accurate. In Virginia, for example – one of the eight primaries in which he says Team Sanders chose not to compete – plenty of campaign watchers know the senator actually made an effort in the commonwealth and lost anyway. The senator also campaigned in Texas, which is another one of the states Devine said the campaign wrote off.

As for the argument that Sanders wins “in every place that we compete with her,” even taken at face value, it’s not an especially compelling argument: Team Sanders made a real effort to win in states like Arizona, Nevada, Ohio, and Massachusetts, but he lost in each of them.

Don’t be too surprised if Devine walks back his comments today. It’s just not a message that does Team Sanders any favors.

Update: Devine also said the Sanders campaign chose to compete for state victories, rather than compete for delegate victories. I have no idea why the campaign would deliberately choose to compete by the wrong metric that would lead to defeat, but if I were a die-hard Sanders backer, this kind of rhetoric would be incredibly frustrating.

This excuse is so very weak

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
17. What utter bullshit. To effectively compete in a state where you are unknown and not receiving
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:03 AM
Mar 2016

hundreds of millions in free favorable press takes a LOT of resources. You also have to overcome the beating of the drum that Clinton is the nominee.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511600598
 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
23. No she didn't she looked like an idiot who didn't even
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:27 AM
Mar 2016

bother to look up the amount of campaign spending in each southern state. She's doing the bidding of the establishment by making a false attack against Bernie. They have no fucking shame.

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