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amborin

(16,631 posts)
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:18 AM Mar 2016

"He's Going to Campaign Like A Brooklynite"

Hillary Clinton’s campaign strategist Joel Beneson took a swing at Bernie Sanders during a conference call with reporters today. But unlike Jackie Robinson, Beneson failed to connect. It’s almost like he was in the batters’ box facing Sandy Koufax (these are two of the most famous Brooklyn Dodgers).

He’s going to campaign like a Brooklynite, and she’s going to campaign like a senator who represented the state for eight years and lived here for 16,” Benenson said, in a severely misguided attempt to portray Sanders and his Brooklyn roots as somehow below the standard of the U.S. Senate.

Beneson’s comments have even inspired the trending Twitter hashtag #ToneDownForWhat.

This follows a trend of the Clinton camp talking down to voters who lack the same resources as her (see: Clinton’s infamous "Why don't you go run for something, then?" comments in Minnesota).






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Understanding Clinton’s motivation for declining a New York debate is difficult, especially considering Clinton auspiciously opened her campaign headquarters in Brooklyn Heights.

Seeking to tap into that faux “authenticity” that is a gentrified Brooklyn, the campaign took up two floors last year at the Pierrepont Plaza, which is described on its website as “Modern Offices. Brooklyn Cool”. Was this not an attempt to “campaign as a Brooklynite”? Or was she only interested in a certain segment of the Brooklyn population?

As a two-term New York Senator she did get friendly with one New York City institution: Wall Street. Senator Clinton did little to regulate the runaway banking industry while taking enormous political contributions for the duration of her term.

Keeping in mind her failure to truly represent New Yorkers, her hesitancy to debate becomes obvious: her opponent has the Ebbots Field—i.e. home field—advantage.

Sanders’ Brooklyn is one of immigrants, people of color and the working class. Clinton’s is an upwardly mobile, overly developed and gentrified Brooklyn.


What part of New York is Mrs. Clinton afraid of?

She wants the liberal-condo-vote but not the vote of the working people of New York who have lived here long enough to understand the social and political realities of this city.

https://indypendent.org/2016/03/28/clinton-aide-takes-swing-brooklyn-bernieand-misses
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"He's Going to Campaign Like A Brooklynite" (Original Post) amborin Mar 2016 OP
Every once in a while the Hillary campaign shows what they really think of the public. Marr Mar 2016 #1
only the elites matter: amborin Mar 2016 #3
It's a compliment. New Yorkers know that nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #14
Uh-huh. Marr Mar 2016 #20
no, it's not; i can attest to this amborin Mar 2016 #24
Her arrogancy will damage Clinton's NY chances EyeOnLife Mar 2016 #9
Between the dweeb who says Hawaii is white and this putz who says roguevalley Mar 2016 #34
When I saw the post title, I assumed "campaign like a Brooklynite" was a compliment! Merryland Mar 2016 #2
let's consider it as one dana_b Mar 2016 #4
I am a Brooklynite and it was not meant as an insult but you already knew that. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #5
OK, you go with that then hootinholler Mar 2016 #13
I understand your side is desperate so... hrmjustin Mar 2016 #15
I would hope we are on the same side hootinholler Mar 2016 #16
I will support the nominee, if you will do the same then we are on the same side. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #17
He contrasted 'Brooklynite' actions to those of a Senator. Bernie will be like a Brooklynite and she Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #25
Oh please. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #29
Hillary and Ted don't seem very fond of actual New Yorkers rachacha Mar 2016 #6
Wow, that clip. Holier than thou all the way. Nt JudyM Mar 2016 #7
Her Headquarters is in Freaking Brooklyn!!!! liskddksil Mar 2016 #8
#LikeABrooklynite dana_b Mar 2016 #10
She sure loves to point her fingers in black people's faces n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #11
She's ALWAYS pointing her finger in people's faces DebbieCDC Mar 2016 #30
This goes to what identity is karynnj Mar 2016 #12
Mayor de Blasio had this to say: GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #18
Yep. She surely doesn't want to debate a guy who sounds like he's from the next block over intheflow Mar 2016 #19
I really wish Hillary would stop campaigning like a Republican. Fozzledick Mar 2016 #21
Talk about tone! GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #32
That's right. Dis 17% of registered NY Dems pat_k Mar 2016 #22
He needs to talk this kind of trash a lot more. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #23
Needs lots of aiirplay on radio stations there! GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #33
If there's a NY debate, will Hillary take on a Brooklyn accent? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #26
Another backfire from the Clinton campaign suffragette Mar 2016 #27
What's with the increasing anti-Semitic dog whistles with that campaign? villager Mar 2016 #28
The image of Brooklyn is also black... JackRiddler Mar 2016 #35
Bernie from the block DebbieCDC Mar 2016 #31
Bernie should put on a Dodgers cap. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #36
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
1. Every once in a while the Hillary campaign shows what they really think of the public.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:24 AM
Mar 2016

And it's not nice. Hillary's constantly shifting, phony accents, the shallow pandering, the positions that flip 180 degrees depending on geography, and of course the moments like these... they speak of a real disdain for anyone not in the 'upper class'.

 

EyeOnLife

(37 posts)
9. Her arrogancy will damage Clinton's NY chances
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:57 AM
Mar 2016

They know Clinton took advantage of their kindness and launched her government career off their backs.

The message will be loud and clear.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
34. Between the dweeb who says Hawaii is white and this putz who says
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 06:00 PM
Mar 2016

basically Bernie is a stranger in his own hometown and the carpetbagger is the home girl, I think I need a beer.

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
2. When I saw the post title, I assumed "campaign like a Brooklynite" was a compliment!
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:31 AM
Mar 2016

What a STUPID thing to say.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
4. let's consider it as one
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:49 AM
Mar 2016

I would rather follow a Brooklynite than another typical Senator who has his/her hand out, smiling to your face and acting like an asshole when they turn around.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
13. OK, you go with that then
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:51 PM
Mar 2016

“He’s going to campaign like a Brooklynite, and she’s going to campaign like a senator who represented the state for eight years and lived here for 16,”

It's totally obvious that was not intended to belittle, demean or insult Bernie.

Yep, totally.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
16. I would hope we are on the same side
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:56 PM
Mar 2016

The one where people win and not billionaires, but those of us who were raised poor are familiar with and know how to cope with despair.

BTW, what I am feeling these days is far from despair.

Give my regards to Billy Boy and Bravenak.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
17. I will support the nominee, if you will do the same then we are on the same side.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:59 PM
Mar 2016

And his name is Bill not Billy Boy.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
25. He contrasted 'Brooklynite' actions to those of a Senator. Bernie will be like a Brooklynite and she
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 05:15 PM
Mar 2016

will be Senatorial. The contrast is where the barb lies. But you already know that.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
29. Oh please.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 05:19 PM
Mar 2016

Get over it. No one here is talking about it.

Haven't heard anyone in real life upset over it. Just keyboard warriors.

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
8. Her Headquarters is in Freaking Brooklyn!!!!
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:57 AM
Mar 2016

I'm pretty neutral in this fight, but how tone-deaf is this.

DebbieCDC

(2,542 posts)
30. She's ALWAYS pointing her finger in people's faces
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 05:20 PM
Mar 2016

She reminds me of the Wicked Witch of the West, wagging her finger at Dorothy and screeching "I'll get you my pretty....and your little dog too!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

karynnj

(59,474 posts)
12. This goes to what identity is
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:35 PM
Mar 2016

Having moved to Vermont three years ago, I have learned that to be a Vermonter, a driver's license does not suffice. It takes a Vermont birth certificate .. or as some argue not just your own Vermont birth certificate, but your parents', grandparents' etc. - with different people positing different histories.

Yet, we saw that Vermont loves Senator Sanders. He has, by more than 10 points, the highest approval rate for a Senator in any state. 83% - and that is for ALL people, not just Democrats.

However, he still speaks with the distinct Brooklyn accent of his childhood - no matter where he speaks. From the answer he gave on his religion, he is very defined by the Brooklyn Jewish community that he was born into. He went to neighborhood grade school and the same high school that Chuck Schumer went to. It seems that you can take the man out of Brooklyn, but you can't take the Brooklyn out of the man.

Still, it is true that the Brooklyn of 2016 is nothing like the Brooklyn of the 1940s and 1950s . In fact, it has gone through many phases since then. A large part of the Jews of Brooklyn moved to NJ, CT, and upstate NY as Brooklyn changed in the 1970s and 1980s. The gentrification that has made Brooklyn a cool place to be surprised many of my husband's older NYC area (Jewish) relatives. It may be that there are not many in NY who identify with Bernie Sanders' Brooklyn.

I would love to hear the comments of people who actually know present day Brooklyn - which I don't. ( I have a daughter who lived there for a few years, ending about 2 years ago. )

On the other hand, Brooklyn now has many very educated young people who are part of that gentrification. But, aren't young people anywhere, Bernie's base? Then there are the Orthodox Jewish communities which are night and day from the secular Jewish communities. Not to mention, that there is a very high percent POC. The latter two likely help Clinton. It will be interesting to see how the neighborhoods come in.

Though it is very small, one thing not mentioned is that the Plattsburg area has some TV stations that are Plattsburg/Burlington. We CAN see NYS from Burlington - across beautiful Lake Champlain! This might be a small area of Bernie support!



 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
18. Mayor de Blasio had this to say:
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:00 PM
Mar 2016
Even Mayor de Blasio, a staunch Clinton supporter, couldn’t defend the comments.

When asked about them at an unrelated press conference, he concluded the Clinton staffer had complimented the frontrunner’s Democratic rival.

“I don't know what he meant. But I think Brooklyn being one of the most admired places in the country right now , the culture of Brooklyn being associated with spirit, and spunk, and energy and resolve, I think that’s a compliment,” Hizzoner said.

intheflow

(28,403 posts)
19. Yep. She surely doesn't want to debate a guy who sounds like he's from the next block over
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:03 PM
Mar 2016

from any working class person in any neighborhood. Native New Yorkers know Clinton is not from NY.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
22. That's right. Dis 17% of registered NY Dems
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:39 PM
Mar 2016

Active Registered Dems a/o 2012

Kings County: 851,610

Statewide: 5,137,518

Brooklyn = Kings Co (same borders) = 17%

http://www.elections.ny.gov/NYSBOE/enrollment/county/county_apr12.pdf

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
23. He needs to talk this kind of trash a lot more.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:42 PM
Mar 2016

I'm not sure everyone in Brooklyn has heard it yet, but I will do my part in making sure some of them do.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
28. What's with the increasing anti-Semitic dog whistles with that campaign?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 05:19 PM
Mar 2016

Of course, for some of her supporters on this site, it's actually quite explicit.

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