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Sarandon, Bernie "cult", tone, Bernie is mean to his wife,... (Original Post) SHRED Mar 2016 OP
Ever since Saturday they've dialed the smear up to 11. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #1
Never - they don't want us to look at the real issues, at all. djean111 Mar 2016 #2
I had been wondering where the hell the "tone" argument came from jeff47 Mar 2016 #3
Bernie already lost the debate on the issues. That's why his campaign is going negative. DanTex Mar 2016 #4
Hil arious!!! Melissa G Mar 2016 #7
I think there's something in the atmospheric mix on Planet Bozone. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #8
LMAO! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #14
You know that there are more than 3 states in the nation, right? DanTex Mar 2016 #11
you know dems depend on 2 of those states in the general right? questionseverything Mar 2016 #17
No worries, they'll vote for HRC over Trump. DanTex Mar 2016 #19
illinois might not even go blue if hc is the candidate questionseverything Mar 2016 #21
Illinois will go HRC also. The big risk is nominating a socialist, but we're not going to do that. DanTex Mar 2016 #23
You're joking right? She barely won IL. It took running out of ballets, and shutting down polls Kittycat Mar 2016 #30
That was the primary. DanTex Mar 2016 #31
well i am here listening to actual people questionseverything Mar 2016 #34
A lot of Bernie fans have had anecdotes about "actual people." And they've been wrong DanTex Mar 2016 #35
only the electronic blackboxes questionseverything Mar 2016 #36
Conspiracy! DanTex Mar 2016 #39
squirrel questionseverything Mar 2016 #41
I doubt ANY state Hillary won with Electronic Voting Machines. PyaarRevolution Mar 2016 #50
Do you know that after your candidate lost 3 States in massive blowouts it just looks unhinged to Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #22
Why does the sequence of the states matter? Hillary's way ahead, and Bernie's used up his DanTex Mar 2016 #25
Why does the sequence of States Matter? Melissa G Mar 2016 #46
If anything, it was front-loaded for Bernie. Two liberal white states went first. DanTex Mar 2016 #47
Wrong. The order of Primaries was different in 2008 Melissa G Mar 2016 #48
Umm... IA and NH went first that year too. Not sure what you're getting at. DanTex Mar 2016 #49
You actually have to read the links before responding or it is kind of a waste to chat Melissa G Mar 2016 #55
Good info, Dan. frylock Mar 2016 #56
Bernie himself has been on TV pretty much saying the same thing. R B Garr Mar 2016 #10
Another non issue I can add to my list... SHRED Mar 2016 #16
It was a question on MTP. You can laugh all you want, but Bernie R B Garr Mar 2016 #18
In my view these are non-issues SHRED Mar 2016 #20
Meh, what's a diversion is to blame HRC or her "camp" for things that happen R B Garr Mar 2016 #28
Many of these originated from her campaign SHRED Mar 2016 #37
LOL, how simplistic. The one example I gave on this thread was from a Chuck Todd R B Garr Mar 2016 #40
Then releasing the transcripts and... SHRED Mar 2016 #42
Ha, those are your little pet "issues". They are not important to many people, R B Garr Mar 2016 #43
"pet issues" SHRED Mar 2016 #44
Yeah, "pet issues". The only reason you are interested in those "issues" R B Garr Mar 2016 #45
HRC's shift to 'progressive'... HumanityExperiment Mar 2016 #15
What issues is Hillary on the good side of with Democratic voters relative to Bernie? BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #5
They can't talk about issues because they lose every time. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #6
Her one saving grave -- Aboration Gwhittey Mar 2016 #9
That's all they do. longship Mar 2016 #12
Like a high school clique pdsimdars Mar 2016 #52
Like a fundamentalist church. longship Mar 2016 #54
Don't know. But they sure make for great twitter hashtags! dana_b Mar 2016 #13
This is really the best thing for us. This is not the 90's. Smarm backfires now because of social Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #24
I'll never forget those who have repeatedly lied during this election season. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #26
Those on ignore for me will stay there. I feel exactly like you. stillwaiting Mar 2016 #32
Amen. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #51
When has this board this primary season been about issues? upaloopa Mar 2016 #27
It is when I'm posting on it, and it is about issues in the OP's and posts of many DUers I respect Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #38
How about a debate in New York, Hillary? Bernie has been asking for it since the end of January, Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #29
They lose on the issues pengu Mar 2016 #33
Real issues? They don't need no stinkin' real issues! PonyUp Mar 2016 #53
The Blue Nation Review insinuations about how he brushed off Jane PDittie Mar 2016 #57

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
1. Ever since Saturday they've dialed the smear up to 11.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:57 AM
Mar 2016

She got her butt kicked in a landslide, why would they talk issues?

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. Never - they don't want us to look at the real issues, at all.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:58 AM
Mar 2016

Any discussion of real issues is called "negative campaigning" and "smears" - by the folks who are actually doing the negative campaigning and the smears.

Very illuminating, not at all surprising.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
3. I had been wondering where the hell the "tone" argument came from
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:58 AM
Mar 2016

Apparently it was to pre-excuse their attacks.

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
7. Hil arious!!!
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:10 PM
Mar 2016


Too Funny! Bernie landslides in 3 states taking every county and he has lost the debate on the issues!
Where do they come up with these ludicrous talking points?

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
17. you know dems depend on 2 of those states in the general right?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:21 PM
Mar 2016

hc the "presumed" front runner could not win one county

if hc supporters were honest with themselves they would be rethinking supporting her over bernie, for the good of the country

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
21. illinois might not even go blue if hc is the candidate
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:35 PM
Mar 2016

we have a repub gov and one repub senator now

with hc as the nom , we will have low turn out, that never works for us

<shrugs>

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
30. You're joking right? She barely won IL. It took running out of ballets, and shutting down polls
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:44 PM
Mar 2016

despite extended hours, and Lisa Madigan stepping in to make sure voters didn't get to cast their votes.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
34. well i am here listening to actual people
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:50 PM
Mar 2016

downstate went for bernie 70/30

socialism like social security,medicare are loved

people are paying the penalty for not having ins and single payer is looking pretty good to us

"not indicted yet" is not a great campaign slogan

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
35. A lot of Bernie fans have had anecdotes about "actual people." And they've been wrong
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:51 PM
Mar 2016

over and over again when it came to the ballot box.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
36. only the electronic blackboxes
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:54 PM
Mar 2016


the voter suppression in az actually encourages me that things can only be flipped so far

The numbers in Pima County and Maricopa are particularly glaring. Reports of five-inch thick piles of provisional ballots and up to 2/3 of ballots in a particular voting location in Pima are quite suspicious. Numbers Anonymous is using internally to monitor election results across the country suggest that Sanders should have won student rich, and reliably progressive Pima county comfortably. The lack of polling stations alone in Maricopa County cannot explain how Phoenix, with a Democratic Mayor, could see Republicans show up at the polls on election day to the tune of around 80,000 voters, while Democrats cast a paltry 33,000 votes in Maricopa County on election day.

While Early Voting is increasing in Arizona with each election, we are rather skeptical of the idea that Maricopa had nearly 100,000 fewer Democrats voting in-person over against 2008’s primary between Clinton and Obama.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
50. I doubt ANY state Hillary won with Electronic Voting Machines.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:05 PM
Mar 2016

The same goes for Bernie. You should be suspicious too as it's suspected Rahm Emmanuel committed voter fraud on those machines in Illinois to get him elected instead of Jesus Chuy Garcia.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
22. Do you know that after your candidate lost 3 States in massive blowouts it just looks unhinged to
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:36 PM
Mar 2016

claim the winning candidate has just lost? And suggesting that others don't know there are more that 3 States does not help rectify that impression at all?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
25. Why does the sequence of the states matter? Hillary's way ahead, and Bernie's used up his
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:38 PM
Mar 2016

caucus advantage. Alaska only gets to vote once, you know...

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
46. Why does the sequence of States Matter?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:29 PM
Mar 2016

Because if DWS had not front loaded Hillary favoring states, Life in Hillary land would be quite a bit bleaker at this moment.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
47. If anything, it was front-loaded for Bernie. Two liberal white states went first.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:31 PM
Mar 2016

DWS had nothing to do with it, of course, it's just the historical order of the primaries.

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
55. You actually have to read the links before responding or it is kind of a waste to chat
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 05:03 PM
Mar 2016

But I think you know that..
Here is a quote
"So in the first half of the nominating season, polling data gave Sanders little to no chance in 76% of the contests.

That’s why it isn’t too surprising that Sanders found himself in a deep delegate hole after the first half of the nominating process. But here’s the thing: going forward, the Senator has at least a reasonable chance to win — and in some cases a very high one — in 89% of contests:"
So in the first half of the nominating season, polling data gave Sanders little to no chance in 76% of the contests.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/the-4-things-you-need-to-know-about-bernie-sanders-historic-comeback_b_9557952.html

This referenced primary order above was by design and a finger on the scale in Hillary's favor.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
10. Bernie himself has been on TV pretty much saying the same thing.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:14 PM
Mar 2016

On MTP, he was challenged as to why he didn't quiet his supporters at rallys when they booed Clinton, although he used to ask them to respect her. Now he doesn't. He pretty much admitted that going negative is his strategy.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
18. It was a question on MTP. You can laugh all you want, but Bernie
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:21 PM
Mar 2016

was asked about it on MTP, and he answered it.

How odd you make a whole thread about this little "non-issue". Must not be as much of a "non-issue" after all.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
28. Meh, what's a diversion is to blame HRC or her "camp" for things that happen
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:43 PM
Mar 2016

as a matter of course in every Presidential campaign as if Bernie is being victimized. He's not a victim. He's a participant in this process and he's been sheltered enough from the realities and banalities of it all.

I remember when Al Gore was excoriated for wearing khakis. I think he was even asked about it in a debate. Trying to shelter Bernie constantly is what seems like a tedious diversion.

But we all have our priorities. To each his/her own.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
40. LOL, how simplistic. The one example I gave on this thread was from a Chuck Todd
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:58 PM
Mar 2016

interview with Bernie on this last Sunday's MTP.

Explain how that originated from her campaign.

This whole victimization narrative is what is a tedious diversion. How laughable that every little thing that all candidates have endured for decades of Presidential campaigns is such a victimization narrative for Bernie and his supporters.

Bernie is not a victim. HRC is not responsible for every little political narrative known to Man. How silly.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
43. Ha, those are your little pet "issues". They are not important to many people,
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:06 PM
Mar 2016

only Hillary haters.

But this is just proof that you are willing to engage in plenty of sidebar "issues" as a diversion, they just have to be the "issues" that support your world view. So "diversions" are fine with you, after all.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
45. Yeah, "pet issues". The only reason you are interested in those "issues"
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:22 PM
Mar 2016

is the perceived value they have to malign, embarrass or confront her. Yet the "issues" of Bernie humiliating his wife on national TV don't interest you. Only those diversions that harm Hillary interest you. So you are definitely into diversions, just not those that involve Bernie.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
15. HRC's shift to 'progressive'...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:19 PM
Mar 2016

HRC's shifting to the left and becoming 'progressive' because of Bernie, HRC is republican light as her history and policy positions over time have shown her to be...

Camp weathervane in all it's glory... too funny

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
5. What issues is Hillary on the good side of with Democratic voters relative to Bernie?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:59 AM
Mar 2016

Her campaign is about it being her turn, not about issues.

longship

(40,416 posts)
12. That's all they do.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:16 PM
Mar 2016

They aren't the least bit interested in discussion. Safe candidate havens serve no purpose here, especially the Hillary group, which even if one tries to get along, one gets banned, the most banning group on DU. By far! That is not a metric that I would be proud of, especially when they ban supporters. They just don't care.

longship

(40,416 posts)
54. Like a fundamentalist church.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:29 PM
Mar 2016

Ideologically driven. If one doesn't agree, one is "other".

The whole universe is inside out to them. And that's the truth. No debate needed.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
13. Don't know. But they sure make for great twitter hashtags!
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:18 PM
Mar 2016

this stuff backfires on Clinton. People see that she and her camp have nothing of substance.

Can you imagine a campaign between her and Trump?! Omg - it would be like two eighth graders going after the same girl/boy.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
24. This is really the best thing for us. This is not the 90's. Smarm backfires now because of social
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:37 PM
Mar 2016

media and the fact that people are tired of being played for fools.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
26. I'll never forget those who have repeatedly lied during this election season.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:40 PM
Mar 2016

Liars are worthless, and liars don't change their stripes. These people are not on my side, and I'll never forget that.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
32. Those on ignore for me will stay there. I feel exactly like you.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:47 PM
Mar 2016

They are not my allies, and most of them do not argue in good faith OR argue (FOR/Against) things that I strongly (OPPOSE/Support).

Waste of time to engage.



 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
38. It is when I'm posting on it, and it is about issues in the OP's and posts of many DUers I respect
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:55 PM
Mar 2016

Don't expect us to treat the rotten habits of others as if they were aspects of nature which can not be controlled. The fact that something has always been nasty and stupid is no reason that it should continue to be nasty and stupid.

Uncle Joe

(58,296 posts)
29. How about a debate in New York, Hillary? Bernie has been asking for it since the end of January,
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:43 PM
Mar 2016

what are you afraid of?

Thanks for the thread, SHRED.

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
57. The Blue Nation Review insinuations about how he brushed off Jane
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:24 AM
Mar 2016

were the last straw for me. Bernie-bashing as concern trolling.

Anybody who cites BNR is advancing David Brock's propaganda.

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