Hillary Clinton must face the music — and the FBI

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/03/29/hillary-clinton-must-face-the-music-and-the-fbi/

Hillary Clinton must face the music — and the FBI

It has been more than a year since the infamous news conference at the United Nations, at which Hillary Clinton falsely asserted, “I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material.” For a year the Clinton campaign has raised a number of specious excuses: “It was allowed”; other secretaries did the same (not true); the emails were only retroactively classified (not true); there was no risk classified information might have been compromised (unfounded); and her offenses were not serious (highly questionable).

If it was not previously, even the most loyal Clinton supporters should by now recognize the seriousness of her problems. The FBI does not assign 147 people to investigate something trivial, “allowed” or lacking national security implications.

How can she be so selfish to continue in the primary while there is an active FBI investigation against her?

[Faux pas]

1. Kickin'

[Trust Buster]

2. Sanders acolytes seem to be more preoccupied with this topic than even Republicans are.

Very instructive. Hashtag: Win on the merits or go home.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

10. And Hill Folk seem to do everything to ignore it.

[upaloopa]

26. Emails FBI indictment that's Bernie's path to victory. He sure can't win any other way.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

67. Please reread post #10 at your leisure.

[Warren DeMontague]

95. If shes indicted our party has bigger problems than your dislike of Bernie Sanders.

[Avalux]

11. Precisely. Win on the merits.

Hillary Clinton CANNOT win on her own record and platform, so her campaign is based on incredibly vile dirty tricks, just like the GOP.

Continuing to ignore the reality of the email investigation and possible consequences your candidate faces is foolish.

[Trust Buster]

16. Millions of more votes defy your logic.....LOL

[dchill]

30. This will affect Dems more than Repubs.

Your "Won on the merits or go home" meme is so specious it's laughable. Why don't YOU try it?

[scscholar]

63. This, and grasping at straws...

shows how desperate they are.

[aidbo]

84. #ThatsNotHowHashtagsWork

[revbones]

101. ^^BOOM^^

#DropTheMic

[hrmjustin]

3. Why are you posting Jennifer Rubin on DU?

Do you know who she is?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

14. From WaPo who endorsed Clinton

[hrmjustin]

18. Written by Jennifer Rubin a conservative hack.

Posting rw authos is frowned upon on DU.

[randome]

22. Next question: why is this like the 45th OP on this subject?

Do you not read other OPs?


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[revbones]

65. I guess people like discussing facts despite people trying to say they aren't... nt

[dchill]

35. What part(s) of the article are you prepared to deny?

[hrmjustin]

36. I don't parse right wing mastabatory fantasy.

[dchill]

37. "mastabatory" is not a word that I know of.

By "fantasy" you mean established fact, right?

DINJARIE

[hrmjustin]

38. Fact

[dchill]

41. Fact IS a word that I know of.

DINJARIE

[hrmjustin]

48. I don't see Rubin as a fact teller. Telling that you do.

[dchill]

49. What part(s) of the article are you prepared to deny?

[hrmjustin]

50. I gave you my answer. Good day.

[dchill]

61. DINJARIE

Denial Is Not Just A River In Egypt.

But you have a good day, too.

[Press Virginia]

105. Some find it easier to attack the source because they cannot

refute what is said

[tex-wyo-dem]

4. Why? It's called narcissism eom

[Trust Buster]

17. BINGO !!!!!!!

[FourScore]

5. Two reasons: She is a compulsive liar, and she doesn't believe the rules apply to her. n/t

[BreakfastClub]

6. Republicans have been saying this for over 20 years. It's FAKE. I can't believe dems are

being fooled by this nonsense. If the GOP can win simply by constantly accusing progressives of everything under the sun, then a progressive will never win any election again ever. This is a PLOY that right wingers have been using for decades. It's quite frankly disgusting and disappointing to see democrats falling for it. SHAMEFUL.

[tex-wyo-dem]

8. You know what's disgusting and disappointing...

Are Hill supporters who shamelessly cover for their corrupt candidate who is under investigation by the FBI, not the GOP. This is serious and could very seriously damage the entire party.

Open your eyes.

[upaloopa]

32. Berne is a corrupt candidate

[grasswire]

39. NOBODY believes that

Not even you.

[Cobalt Violet]

42. The math is with her. 147 FBI investigators.

[bobbobbins01]

87. Would you mind expounding upon this?

I'd like to know what corruption you are referring to.

[Biaviians]

111. Yes if by Berne you mean Clinton

[Karma13612]

112. Odd, I thought I put you on full ignore... Eom

[appal_jack]

113. An entirely specious, uber-stupor response, devoid of substance. Nice trifecta there. nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

13. What is amazing is the indolence and

the political uncurious nature of the Hillary supporters whi would be screaming bloody murder if this was happening to a republican.

[John Poet]

106. If Bernie was the one being investigated,

they'd be singing quite a different tune, wouldn't they.

[pinebox]

33. The FBI investigation is fake?

Tell us more please considering the justice department, which the FBI is part of, falls under the Obama administration.
I'm sure all those 147 agents find your comments valid lol?

[asuhornets]

7. Go Away..

[merrily]

64. Jury results

Go Away..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1601846


Not very nice to talk to a new member like that. GeorgiaPeanuts is trying to contribute here on DU. Debate the words, don't tell him/her to "go away."

Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not nice, not the poster's place to try to chase people from Skinner's board, but mild compared with other things in GD.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This post should "go away", and be replaced with a substantial refuting of the OP.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It is certainly rude, though much ruder commentary gets to stay. Still, I agree with the alerter.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm all for Bernie and I'm all for treating new posters with respect. Nevertheless, this alert was silly and a waste of my time. Give the alerter a timeout.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: New member whose posts are all negative towards our Democratic front runner . Leave it.

[asuhornets]

66. Did Hillary win yet??? Should be coming up real soon...n/t

[merrily]

69. You're welcome.

[thereismore]

9. Yet not a word about Sanders. Only if Clinton gets indicted, she needs a strong VP. Go fuck yourself

WaPo, this is a disgraceful article.

[sufrommich]

12. I think what I'm going to remember most from

this campaign is how willingly some Sanders supporters were to jump in bed with right wing sources.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

15. Is the GOP investigating Clinton?

[Trust Buster]

19. That's because the temperament of the far Right and Left are identical. Blind emotion.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

20. What an absolute load of Clintonesque fertilizer.

[noiretextatique]

27. Perfectly explains the FBI and DOJ

Under Obama's watch. The rw and lw have joined together to get Clinton, via the FBI, DOJ, NSA...all with Obama's blessing.

[LanternWaste]

78. Creative allegation. Any peer-reviewed objective evidence to support your premise?

Creative allegation. Any peer-reviewed objective evidence to support your premise?

[bahrbearian]

24. Sweet, Right wing Sources

[leveymg]

40. Here's another 1,000 words on that subject>

About whom do they laugh? The joke is on us, every four to eight years.

[pinebox]

34. The FBI is RW?

The irony of your avatar with Hillary using that unsecured Blackberry though, priceless!

[leveymg]

43. They deal only in memes. Irony is lost on them. nt

[pinebox]

46. Apparently

[obamanut2012]

80. yup

[840high]

83. FBI is right wing ok- got it. Next...

[FlatBaroque]

21. I have never much appreciated or cared for actual royalty

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and faux-royalty i find truly repulsive

[SidDithers]

23. From the "Right Turn" blog at WaPo...

Any port in a storm, eh?

Sid

[panader0]

72. The fork may be sticking in her soon.

[Orsino]

25. Still missing the key ingredient.

Until the knowing transmission of then-classified info by unsecured means is tied to Clinton, I don't see any meat to this story. 793 contains a huge loophole.

[leveymg]

52. The FBI found at least 104 emails she, herself, sent to others. 18 USC 793 (e) and/or (f) it is.

In addition, 22 emails containing TS/SAP materials were sent to her.

In total, more than 2,000 documents containing materials at various levels of classification were found on her private, uncertified server, which she didn't even notify the Department she retained after leaving government employment for more than two years.

* Did she turn over materials that were in apparent breech of classification protocol over to DSS or to the originating agency? No.
* Did she know they were likely classified and on an unsecure server? Absolutely.
* Did she sign a security agreement on which she agreed to not disclose classified materials AND to also stop and report breeches of security? Yes, she did that on 01/22/09.

That's no loopholes that fit her neck. Just gold ringlets. She's handed herself to the hangman.

[grasswire]

59. she never expected to be discovered, apparently

If she DID think she might be discovered and went ahead anyway, we can only consider some sort of ego pathology at play.

[Orsino]

70. Can you document this claim?

Retroactive classification is specifically loopholed in 793, and "knowingly" is also key.

People knowingly forwarding or cutting and pasting would be in breach, if the information was classified at the time, but every story I've seen waffles on these points.

[leveymg]

71. Yes. I will give you directions to the thread where all this is posted. Hold on a few minutes.

[leveymg]

73. links in thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=158157

I posted 5-6 times on that thread with a bunch of links on this topic. Here's a live link to Paul Thompson's OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=158157

If you can't find what you're looking for, please respond below. I will come back in a while and try to find it for you.

[Orsino]

77. "Now deemed classified" ain't gonna cut it.

793 is pretty specific about how to fuck up. Has to be knowingly, and after-the-fact classification has no bearing.

I'm all aboard with calling for investigation, and indictments where warranted, but the smoking gun doesn't seem to exist in what's public so far.

[Oilwellian]

90. Hillary ordered one of her aides to send classified info via email

This is the smoking gun you speak of:



http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/08/us/politics/document-hrc-emails-january-2015.html?_r=0

[yourout]

103. Now thats pretty damning....

[Orsino]

118. I lack context, but that sounds pretty damned damning.

If the doc in question was definitely classified at the time, that would have to b e the smoking gun, I guess.

[calguy]

28. BSers have posted about the emails more times than Congress has voted to repeal ObamaCare

[MrMickeysMom]

109. Americans talking to me on the phone who are not BSers are talking about it, too.

I call them in Wisconsin lately. It's true.

Breaking that bubble of bullshit all up for you... You'll thank me later when you awaken. It's okay.

[cantbeserious]

29. Once Corrupt - Always Corrupt

eom

[DanTex]

31. This is Jennifer Rubin, right winger writing for the "Right Turn" blog at WaPo.

I'm sure you weren't aware of that, but now that you are, I suggest you self-delete.

[grasswire]

44. How about posting your list of censored publications?

You appear to think you are in charge of what DU reads and talks about.

[DanTex]

47. Just a recommendation. DU is presumably a progressive forum, so IMO it's

inappropriate to post right-wing smears against Democrats here.

On the other hand, if the OP identifies with the right-wing ideology and thinks that right-wingers have important things to say, then I guess keep it.

[grasswire]

51. I totally disagree.

I think we are smart enough to read things we may not trust or like. Enlightenment means that we have considered opinions and dissents. It is totalitarian societies that do not trust the people to discern truth from propaganda.

[DanTex]

57. Yeah, I figured you'd be in favor of more right-wing propaganda on DU.

[grasswire]

60. Bring it on!

I am not afraid of words. I can discern truth from propaganda. But I can see that it scares you.

[hrmjustin]

54. The fact you think Jennifer Rubin is acceptable says a lot about you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12599901#post1

[PonyUp]

45. Look how Hillary refused to get out in 2008 because "something may happen to Obama"

She has no regard for this country or the party. It's all about her.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

53. The GOP loves you for this.

[leveymg]

75. No. They really, really want her to be nominated before the FBI Report comes out. But NYT says May

What will likely happen is a wholesale transfer of her delegates to someone the Party big whigs want to replace her with. There will be a hell of a tussle at the Convention, but if this is handled with some finesse, the Party may emerge intact with a viable slate.

[leftynyc]

55. Are there ANY right wing hacks

the Bernie supporters are too embarrassed to post? Apparently not. Pathetic.

[Vogon_Glory]

74. I'm waiting for Bernie's fanboys to start quoting Ann Coulter and Larry Klayman

I'm waiting for Bernie's fanboys and fangirls to start quoting such "reliable" sources like Larry KlaymanI'm and Ann Coulter.

IMO from the mouths of Scaife surrogates to Issa to Koch-roaches to overly-credulous Bernie-philes DOESN'T make it true.

:rolleyes:

[obamanut2012]

82. Well, the Judicial Watch is apparently A-OK

So close to Klayman.

[leftynyc]

89. Too late

They already had the klayman clown posted with flushed cheeks and breathless vapors.

[John Poet]

110. Yeah-- DAVID BROCK!

Of course the Hillary folks won't flinch from posting THAT right wing hack.

[leftynyc]

115. Oh by all means

Let's compare a REAL right wing hack - who has never turned away from the right with a man who publicly broke from the right over a decade ago = even wrote a book about it, who people on DU have been using as source from media matters for a decade but who the Bernie supporters NOW claim is STILL a right wing hack because he doesn't support their candidate. Like I said before - PATHETIC.

[riversedge]

56. How can the Sanders camp continue to ask for donor $$ when there is such an

Insurmountable lead by Hillary?

A little play on your words from the OP.

....How can she be so selfish to continue in the primary while there is an active FBI investigation against her?......

[FreakinDJ]

58. Most disingenuous politician ever

[azmom]

62. She put the nation in danger. She needs to be in prison

Not running for the presidency.

[karynnj]

68. Jennifer Rubin is both very RW and an opinion writer

It is much better to just post the WP article that this is essentially based on. It is far more measured and attempts to explain what is known about the entire email debacle.

I think that Clinton's judgment was horrendous and that it has given us a window thru how she managed her job as Secretary of State. While many saw how hard she work and occasionally her sense of humor, the negatives I see are:

1) No willingness to change from what she wants to comply with what authorities said was needed.
2) A willingness to ignore the Obama administration rejecting Sid Blumenthal - and setting up what may be a conflict of interest - having him employed by the Clinton Foundation, but working as an adviser to her. (bonus: he may have had no security clearance, yet he passed on highly classified info.)
3) Not illegal --- One comment about HRC over the years is that she creates cocoons of a small number of very close, very trusted advisers and relies almost exclusively on them. This is clearly seen in the analyses of the emails. There is no reason to think that is not how she would operate as President.

[leveymg]

76. Rubin's opinion is irrelevant. That facts stand on their own, and have been verified, as you say.

I agree that the Post article is far, far more informational and credible.

When you have some time, take a look at the material compiled on Paul Thompson's thread, here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=158157 I have 5-6 posts on that thread with more than a dozen reputably sourced articles that point to FBI Director Comey reporting she violated several federal statutes, but not the one's mentioned in the Post article. I argue that that the main statutes will be 18 USC 793 (e) and/or (f).

[Beacool]

79. Meh......

"Jennifer Rubin is an American conservative journalist. She writes the "Right Turn" blog for The Washington Post."

I love it when DU brings RW talking points to attack Hillary.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

81. Jailhouse Rock?

[Punkingal]

85. I would like to know why all the superdelegates who are pledged to her aren't concerned about it.

How can they not be?

[Tarc]

86. The e-mails were classified after the fact, and other Sec did do the same thing

A right-wing OpEd writer is lying here, and the Sanders camp is eating it up.

[angrychair]

91. I could give two-shits

About the writer.
I truly hate the "others did it too" meme.
The "others" you speak of are Condi Rice and Collin Powell. Not exactly paragons of good judgment and trust. I make this point to determine if it is intent of the users of this meme to now also defend the actions and poor judgment of the shrub administration.

[Tarc]

92. You do not actually care about the security of department-level email servers

Please don't pretend that you ever gave a second thought to a cabinet official's use of email before now. You and Judicial Watch and the GOP (what a happy threesome!) use this for a political football, not out of a genuine care for security.

[angrychair]

93. You don't know me

My work experience or what I have or have not said on this subject. You are just ranting to rant.
I do not recall ever having had a conversation with you on this or any subject before now.

Seriously, dial it back a little. You are already dialed up to "11" and trying to attack my integrity right out of gate.

I am more than willing to have a discussion on the merits of the investigation and of information security. I am not willing to entertain trash excuses like "everyone else is doing it". That is something little kids say. Adults, at least responsible adults, know how the world works. Sometimes you get caught for speeding, sometimes you don't. Regardless, speeding is always illegal.

I await your well-reasoned reply.

[Tarc]

97. Oh don't worry, we know you quite well

It's amazing how the followers of Bernie Sanders have so much less integrity than the man they claim to follow. Sanders himself has no interest in the emailgate nonsense, but his crew has no qualms with getting in bed with conservative to score political points,

[BlueState]

104. You're absolutely right!

Just because the writer puts (not true) in parenthesis doesn't make it not true. The messages were retroactively classified.

[JoePhilly]

88. Indictment fairy to the rescue!!!!

[Bleacher Creature]

94. Kicking for exposure.

At some point, the admins are going to have to step in. This is a right wing opinion piece (not an "article&quot . It contains no new information, and it doesn't belong on DU.

Worse yet, it was posted by a newbie who has spent the entire day starting new posts designed to do nothing more than stir up crap.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

96. When did Washington post become right wing?

[Bleacher Creature]

98. Feigning ignorance on the difference between news stories and opinion pieces isn't clever.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

99. I just shared it from Reddit

I was not aware Washington post allowed right wing stuff on it

[KoKo]

100. Many of us who have been Clinton Supporters in the Past against the RW

who now see them in a much different light...do wonder WHY she keeps going on. But, I guess if I had the money the Clinton's do...then I guess I would keep going....even with the guillotine hanging over my head...BECAUSE...I would think I could get away with it all. I would think I was beyond any accountability....because I was Special.

It has happened before.

[grntuscarora]

102. It stuns me how

HRC, and her supporters, can stick their heads in the sand over this. Their responses on the subject range from "an indictment will never happen" to "no one will care".

Part of me is curious to watch her try juggle, spin, and multi-task a Presidential campaign with a federal indictment. But my sensible side doesn't want to have to witness it.

[Press Virginia]

108. If she's indicted they will lose their minds

it will be epic

[reformist2]

114. It's what happens when a group denies reality for so long...

[MrMickeysMom]

107. Hello...

Reuters Polls comparing her negatives and aligning Democratic voters with the candidates shows CLEARLY that voters think her nomination is a horrifying possibility that will make them stay home at the polls. There is such digging down to reveal how negative the numbers are for Clinton...

Meanwhile, Rome burns and the FBI investigates her....

Are people that stupid? I don't think so.

[BainsBane]

116. In other words

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Sanders can't win a majority of the votes, so let's indulge every right wing conspiracy theory in hopes of overturning the results of democratic elections and installing Bernie in power despite being rejected by a majority of democratic voters.

That's what I call a pretty sad acknowledgement that your guy can't win.

[eridani]

117. 40% of all voters are indepbendents, and Sanders is winning them at 70% in open primaries n/t