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For those of you who are not familiar with the group known as Anonymous, perhaps their most amazing accomplishment was their foiling of Karl Roves attempt to electronically steal Ohio for Mitt Romney in the 2012 Presidential Election. As it turned out, Obama didnt need Ohio to win the Presidency in 2012, but that wasnt known at the time that Ohio was called for Obama on Election Day, and Karl Rove had a conniption fit on FOX News over the call. The reason that Anonymous was ready to foil Roves plan in Ohio was largely due to the fact that he had successfully stolen Ohio electronically for George W. Bush in the 2004 Presidential Election, when Ohio was the state that decided the winner of the election. In other words, I would call Anonymous a secret voter protection organization with extra-ordinary skills, especially computer skills.
As such, they were as concerned about the voter suppression that took place in the Democratic Primary in Arizona last Tuesday as much as anyone, and they were determined to investigate the reasons for it. There were two aspects of the voter suppression. One was a severe reduction in polling places, which resulted in voting lines as long as half a mile, and thousands of people waiting to vote for several hours. I discussed that aspect of it in this post. The other was that many people were not allowed to vote when they finally got to the front of the line because it was claimed that they were not registered Democrats. Between those two voter suppression methods, the end result was that Election Day voters in Maricopa County, by far the largest county in Arizona, accounted for less than 15% of the vote in the Democratic Primary that day (early voters accounting for more than 85% of the votes). This hurt Bernie Sanders tremendously, because while more than 60% of early voters voted for Clinton, more than 60% of Election Day voters voted for Sanders.
Anonymous investigation, reported in an article titled: Anonymous Report: Was Arizonas Voter Registration Hacked and Changed? centered on the other aspect of voter suppression in Arizona the claiming that voters who knew themselves to be registered with their Party were actually not registered. In this investigation, Anonymous searched the Internet to find all the claims that they could of voters who were disenfranchised in this way, and they attempted to ascertain their preferred candidate, by phone if they could, and otherwise from the Internet claim. The results are startling:
Unknown Party or preference: 25
GOP: 12
Clinton: 2
Sanders: 113
Keep in mind that this is not the extent of those who were disenfranchised in this way. These are only the claims that Anonymous could find on the Internet. Anonymous gives an example of the extent of the disenfranchisement by pointing to Phoenix (a big part of Maricopa County), which has a Democratic mayor, where 80,000 Republicans voted on Election Day, compared to only 33,000 Democrats.
Clearly there could be some bias in this survey. Maybe Sanders voters were more likely to voice their complaints of disenfranchisement than Clinton voters. Maybe a proportion of the Bernie claims are lies (I dont believe that at all, but I cant prove it). But this was as close to a random sample as Anonymous could get. And the extent of the difference between the Clinton and Sanders disenfranchisement in this survey is so huge that it is very hard to believe that most of it was due to bias.
Conclusion
Here is Anonymous conclusions in full (I dont understand some of the technical computer jargon):
At this point, Anonymous quite obviously does not have the required proof to point a finger at any particular person or campaign for the findings in our database and of our vulnerability scan. Non-conspiratorial alternative explanations may emerge for why perhaps tens of thousands of voters showed up to the polls expecting to be able to vote with the party they had registered with previously and were either denied or forced to vote provisionally. What is unmistakable, at this point, is that something went very badly wrong well beyond the lack of polling stations. The evidence does point to the possibility that something more malicious is happening.
In that vein, we should note that there are now likewise dozens and dozens of reports of Sanders supporters in places like Pennsylvania and New York, with upcoming closed primaries, finding that their own registrations have been switched. One such report arrived in our inbox on Friday morning, the final day for new voter registrations in New York. The e-mailer told us that the website for New York was going up and down intermittently. We asked what link they were using. When we checked it, our Tor Browser informed us that the website was insecure, presenting an invalid encryption certificate.
Suspicious, for damn sure. Well allow readers to draw their own further conclusions at this point.
msongs
(67,395 posts)enlightenment
(8,830 posts)registrations were changed. It happened to a worker in her office.
This isn't a Hillary versus Bernie issue. Anyone who is the slightest bit interested in free, fair, and honest elections in our own country should be very concerned.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)"Here is Anonymous conclusions in full (I dont understand some of the technical computer jargon):
At this point, Anonymous quite obviously does not have the required proof to point a finger at any particular person or campaign for the findings in our database and of our vulnerability scan."
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)comment that people believe what they want to believe. The AZ SoS apparently believes there was something going on.
What Anonymous is talking about is being able to definitively point to a source for the findings. Not that the findings don't exist - they just don't know who/what caused them.
Two different issues being addressed here, thanks.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)I didn't hear any complaints about Anonymous on DU when they hacked Karl Rove's website to stop him from stealing Ohio for Mitt Romney.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...as long as they win.
Doesn't surprise me. Just another reason to reject Clinton and all her works.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)She should change her slogan to "Fighting For Myself!"
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)MFM008
(19,805 posts)Sanders wins every state. Not going to happen.
Reality is if HRC sweeps the upcoming states, Sanders has no where to go except to his 2 caucus states. Facts are facts.
She gets the delegates and we cant start fighting like a Trump rally and if Sanders stands for it, hes nothing of what he has put himself out to be.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)My purpose in posting this article is to show good evidence that Sanders is losing elections because of fraud.
I'm very grateful to Anonymous for conducting their investigation and for continuing to conduct investigations of this sort. Official bodies of our governments are unwilling to take on the task. If this kind of stuff gets enough exposure, it could help in combating it. It can still be stopped. If it is, Bernie will win the nomination and he will win the Presidency, and he will represent the people of our country in an attempt to get our democracy back on track.
Bernie supporters are nothing like Trump supporters, and Bernie has nothing in common with Trump.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)NY is a must-win for Hillary.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)Many complaints already from Bernie voters who are upset about the fact that their Democratic Party registration has disappeared. Apparently the Sanders donor website has been hacked, because Bernie donors are especially being targeted for disenfranchisement.
This must be combated prior to the NY and PA primaries.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)too late in the process to do anything about it now. Guess NY went from a "must win" for Hillary to a "win at any cost" contest, including, but not limited to, voter suppression at the polls.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)If enough people know about it and complain about, the situation can still be rectified.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)we must be proactive and verify our registrations before the caucus or primary - and either screenshot or print out what you have.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)And more than that there should be investigations into these reports. Individual voters taking action to attempt to get their registrations back will help, but it will not be enough. There will still be massive damage done to the integrity of this election because most voters will not re-check their registrations prior to going to the polls no matter how much publicity this gets. There has to be a systematic effort to get to the root of the problem, find out who did it, fix it, and prosecute those responsible.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)in chrome you can check the cert info by right clicking on the icon to the left of the URL in the address bar
bkscribe
(26 posts)n/t
Time for change
(13,714 posts)I think that will be Bernie's last viable chance for the nomination