2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAtlantic: There's little evidence that many Democrats would join Sarandon.
Setting aside the polemic, however, is Sarandon especially representative? Polls consistently show Clinton leading Sanders nationally, and more votes have been cast for her in the primary so far. In a tight election, though, a bloc of Democrats who refused to vote for Clinton or crossed over could cost her a win. Are there really a lot of people who support Sanders now but who, given a choice between Clinton and Trump, would either sit on their hands or pull the lever for Trump?
The answer is almost certainly no.
For example, take a Quinnipiac poll released last week. In that poll, 78 percent of Democrats said they had a favorable view of Sanders. But 80 percent had a favorable view of Clinton. Now, more had an unfavorable view of Clinton than of Sanders15 to 9but that doesnt suggest theres a huge groundswell of anti-Clinton Democrats.
The latest CBS News/New York Times poll suggests something similar. Theres a definite enthusiasm gap between Clinton and Sanders. Forty percent of Democrats said they were enthusiastic about a Sanders candidacy, versus just 34 percent who felt the same way about Clinton. But add in the number who say theyd be satisfied with Clinton and the gap shrinks to almost nothing: 81 percent would be enthusiastic or satisfied with Sanders, while 79 percent feel the same way about Clinton. (And thats with a +/-4.5 percent sampling error.)
The Republican Party is encountering a parallel dynamic with the #NeverTrump movement, but it looks far more real. In the same CBS/NYT poll, a full 20 percent of Republicans said theyd be actively dissatisfied with a Trump candidacy, and 35 percent said theyd want a Republican to run as a third-party candidate against him in a general election. Other surveys have found even higher totals. Some political scientists maintain, based on past experience, that many of these people will rally around the eventual nominee even if its Trump, thanks to the polarized partisan climate.
In any case, theres no polling to suggest any such groundswell on the Democratic side. Of course, you dont have to go very far back to remember something akin to what Sarandon is describing in the Democratic Partybut last time around, it was in support of Clinton, not against her. The PUMAs (People United Means Action or, by some accounts, Party Unity My Ass) were such diehard Clinton supporters that they flatly refused to support the upstart Barack Obama eight years ago. So how did that turn out in 2008? Obama cruised to victory with the highest popular vote total in U.S. history, and a nearly 10 million vote lead over Senator John McCain. Sarandon is feeling the Bern, but perhaps theres more heat than light to her claims about Sandersistas sitting 2016 out.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/susan-sarandon-bernie-sanders/475875/
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Democrats are not the issue. I imagine this article is correct that Democrats will hold their noses if need be, and support Mrs. Clinton, particularly in close states. The issue for the general is independents who don't feel any loyalty to the Democratic Party and will either stay home, vote for Trump if he's the nominee, or skip the presidential part of the ballot altogether. I think if Hillary wins the nomination and expects to garner independent votes, she'd better hope that the Republican nominee is Ted Cruz, who very few independents would vote for.
It just seems to be a no-brainer to me that Bernie would be the better nominee in the general election if we hope to attract independent voters, an increasingly large voting bloc.
DetroitSocialist83
(169 posts)I am a Sanders supporter. Strangely enough, I actually voted for Clinton in the 2008 primary. As the primary went on I grew to like Obama more. I actually did know a few fanatical Hillary people here that voted McCain purely out of spite, and I really couldn't believe it. I now know a few people who are Sanders supporters who are pledging to vote Green or 3rd party socialist.
I guess what the deciding factor would be, are these people the type who would normally vote 3rd party anyhow? Were the people who defected to McCain swing voters who just happened to like Hillary? In the end it all depends on what the candidate can do for turnout in the general election. I wouldn't even want to have a nightmare about a president Trump.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)But assuming what she meant was she just wouldn't vote for Clinton, the Atlantic can consider me piece of evidence #1.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)eom