2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton, the candidate of We Can't Do Anything Because of Republicans
Hillary has explained why we can't have a single payer healthcare plan because Republicans will block it. So why would we even try?
Yesterday, in her ever evolving explanations of why she doesn't support free tuition at state colleges and universities, she explained to an audience in Wisconsin that states would have to cooperate and spend some of their own money in addition to what the federal government provided to them and Scott Walker is never going to spend $300 million in Wisconsin to support it!
Erin Burnett played Bernie the clip of Hillary's comments and he responded, yes the states would need to cooperate. And some states would, like California and many others. And if Wisconsin didn't, they would see a lot more of their kids go out of state to college and many would never come back.
Sounds like a pretty good answer to me. Do the Republicans want to lay down across the tracks saying no free college tuition in my state and have the federal money for it reallocated to states that are taking in their kids who migrate out?
Perhaps Hillary's campaign slogan should come from Nancy Reagan: "Just Say No!"
Does Hillary Clinton really have any supporters who aren't upper income? And if so, why?
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Crabby Abbey
(66 posts)He could have been out there changing minds like Bernie is doing. He could have called out the banks and had his justice department actually DO something to hold the banksters accountable. He could have had his DOJ really go after the KKKops who kill unarmed black children, women and men. He could have used his bully pulpit to expose all the fraud and corruption. He could have stood up against the TPP.
But he didn't. And HRC won't either. It's glaringly obvious. Now we just have a figurative canary singing in what remains of this republic.
Go Birdie Sanders!!!
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)is so depressing & wrong-headed. It is also repeatedly echoed by those who say that getting things through Congress will be Bernie's insurmountable problem. That answer to this is that WE THE PEOPLE will PUSH our representatives to get Bernie's agenda through, come hell or high water, and if they don't like it we'll elect people who will. He ALWAYS reminds us that this is a joint effort. We WILL get our government back again.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Chelsea also helped to advance this dialogue with her assertion in audience that the Republicans will control the House until at least 2022 after the next census. So get used to it.
Why would Democrats vote for these defeatists? Because Republicans are so bad, but they're inevitable?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)does not mean we let that stop us. One of my reasons for wanting Bernie instead of Hillary is because even if he cannot get things through Congress at least he will not be working with them on things like NAFTA, TPP, TIPP ect.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)It's worse than that: there is a patronizing "Oh you silly People" quality when she arrogantly dismisses citizens actually expecting the government to improve their lives. It reminds me of Margaret Thatcher.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I'm here to tell you that you shouldn't!
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)You silly peons just want rainbows and ponies, like affordable education. Grow up.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)even Republicans will have to acknowledge that the voters want progressive, liberal changes. The electorate is pretty angry already at the do-nothing, obstructionist, Congress. They'll have to compromise, they can't take another four years of intransigence.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)But it's easier to use the Republicans as an excuse, and as Chelsea reminded us, her Mom has worked well with Republicans like Tom DeLay and John McCain.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)G.W. Bush thumped around proclaiming a "mandate from the voters", even though there was pretty tenuous evidence for it, and he got a lot of democratic legislators to support his stupid policies because of it. Never underestimate the allure of power to legislators. Their attraction to it is why they sought out elected positions in the first place.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)believe that the people will never realize this simple fact (see below)... and their job is to keep the people at bay.. the tide is turning though and I hope it is a sign of things to come..
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BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I don't have kids so don't see those kinds of movies. Glad to see one conveying a good message like that.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)His campaign is all about stoking anger and promising things to a gullible electorate-It's a brilliant scheme really. It almost worked
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Let the military budget be over $500 billion a year, make sure ExxonMobil gets subsides, even though they make $40 billion in profit, and keep having college kids come out of school with a job a Starbucks and $ 80,000 of debt because to even attempt to address these issues would be "pie in the sky."
reddread
(6,896 posts)their may be a more accurate physically difficult anatomically explicit description.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Running without an agenda lets her jump right into the graft on Day One.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)if there's a country with brown people in it that needs invading, Hillary the Hawk is all in!
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)is how everyone in this clip cheered wildly after Hillary vehemently rejected even debating about "some better idea that will never, ever come to pass!"
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)That people won't be able to get healthcare under the existing system while a single payer healthcare plan is being debated, voted on, and hopefully put into place? Even having a debate shuts down the U.S. healthcare system? Is she that stupid, or does she think her followers are?
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)"Let's hear it for my inferior ideas!!!"
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Oh, wait. You can't. That would piss off your buddies.