Sorry Bernie Bros, Your Candidate Just Doesn’t Have The Foreign Policy Experience Necessary To Prop

[XemaSab]

Sorry Bernie Bros, Your Candidate Just Doesn’t Have The Foreign Policy Experience Necessary To Prop Up A Pro-Western Dictatorship

All election long, I’ve seen post after post from rabid “Bernie Bros” ecstatically trumpeting the enlightened policies of Senator Bernie Sanders. You can find them in every corner of the internet spewing impassioned diatribes against anybody who dares criticize their presidential candidate. Well, I’m sorry, Bernie Bros; it’s not working on me. Bernie has a couple nice economic pipe dreams, but he simply does not have the foreign policy experience necessary to prop up a pro-Western dictatorship.

Argue all you want, but the bottom line is that Sanders has repeatedly failed to demonstrate the deep grasp of international affairs that a president needs to install politically expedient totalitarian regimes abroad.

Sure, he can speak abstractly about international relations, but enabling the rise of the next Pinochet requires a lot more than abstractions. For that, you need actual diplomatic chops and hands-on experience supporting tyrannical despots, and that’s where Sanders would be way out of his depth.

I’m just being pragmatic here. Even the most fanatical Bernie Bro has to admit their hero knows nothing about the real-life challenges a president faces when undermining established foreign governments. The tough truth is that no amount of high-minded rambling about free college tuition can put machine guns into the hands of juntas sympathetic to U.S. strategic goals.

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[djean111]

7. Actually, Clinton seems to have specialized in enabling coups and takeovers.

That's what the OP is really about.

[Raster]

38. Enabling coups, takeovers and CONDUCTING HER OWN FOREIGN POLICY without authorization...

...and against the wishes of the POTUS. Hillary Clinton has been a rouge, plain and simple.

[rbrnmw]

44. right President Obama was scared of her or something and she acted alone

but he didn't ask her step down immediately

[karynnj]

73. Nominating her always was a dual edged sword

It would keep the Clintons' interests aligned wit Obama's, so they would do nothing to challenge his leadership if she were Secretary of State. The other side was that, if he was unsatisfied, he could not get her to resign without the risk of splitting the party and possibly being primaried by her.

It is true that the President has the final word, but she can't BOTH claim that she was influential ... and that she was not involved in anything seen as an error. In fact, when she wrote her book, she obviously thought the sweet spot was to argue that Obama should have been more aggressive in Syria. She backed this in interviews, where she also argued we should have stayed in Iraq. SHE DEFINED HERSELF AS MORE HAWKISH.

[mcar]

59. I'm sure Secretary Clinton wears rouge

[arcane1]

60. If only there was a word for taking over a branch of government for private gain...

[PeoViejo]

75. Cleptocracy n/t

[William769]

66. She did all that and President Obama is still backing her for President privately.

Go figure!

Pretty much shoots your rabid response down.

Have a nice day.

[seabeyond]

79. Not TOO privately as we have been given the nod like three times, one way or another, lol.

She is such a baddest ass. I thought Sanders monocle was rogue... Here Clinton has already taken damn our President of the United States, and the world. !!!

[Sheepshank]

72. What does it mean when a female candidate is a rouge?

what doe is mean if a male candidate is a rouge?

I don't believe I've ever heard the term

the rest of your post is ridiculous.

[seabeyond]

78. Wowsers, she is the bad of the bad.

[roguevalley]

65. she's good at starting wars and she gets advice from a war criminal

she voted for Iraq and he didn't. Who has the better view for this issue? The one who voted for the war or the one who didn't because he could see bullshit when it was there. She voted for her career, he voted to save people from dying from lies.

[Baobab]

70. the only list that I have seen of recent USinterventions ends at around the beginning of the Clinton

Administration.

List linked here

Likely thats because of when it was published.

[djean111]

2. Ha - I am guessing this is going to swoosh! over the heads of non-careful readers...

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. It went over mine until I reread it -

I was so irritated at first by the term "BernieBros" that I couldn't go further, but now I get it. Duh.

[reddread]

16. headline skimmers unite!

these people trolling headline skimmers need to be shamed at every turn.
its just ignorant to presume we will click the link when its faster to respond.
stop picking on us.

[Scuba]

29. I smelled sarcasm from the get-go, but then I'm a sarcastic bastard.

[cui bono]

82. :(

I instinctively alerted cuz it said "Bernie Bro". It's my policy to alert that term. Then I perused the list of comments and the OP.



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[merrily]

18. Studies show the % of readers that read only headlines, but I have forgotten the number.

This explains to me why so many headlines are misleading, even when it comes to the body of the story in question. And that story is itself probably misleading because establishment msm.

[JackRiddler]

37. The headline matters more than the story and...

the movie poster and trailer usually matters more than the movie.

[merrily]

53. To paraphrase Bubba, that depend on what your definition of "matters" is.

[JackRiddler]

64. In terms of social impact.

Say 50% see a headline (divide that by 5 for impact compared to reading the article) and 2% read the article. Or 70% see a film poster (divide that by 10 for impact compared to seeing the film) and 5-10% eventually the film.

Just rules of thumb, of course. Your model may vary.

[merrily]

74. Thanks for explaining your model.

[Arugula Latte]

25. Read the piece more carefully.

(Hint: satire)

[tabasco]

5. Got me at first

But it's good!

[Buns_of_Fire]

69. I had to stop, back up, and start re-reading when the "WTF?" alarm went off.

I actually like that moment of "wait a minute, here..." when you know you've been had.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

6. K&R

Read. My. Lips. No. More. Warhawk DINOs.

[PeoViejo]

8. If you mean Starting Wars for Blood and Treasure, No.

I don't think Bernie would be good at that.

[merrily]

12. WAR because

Sorry, I got nothing.

[alittlelark]

13. LOL !! Happily he does not.

[Amaril]

14. Bernie Bros? Really?

You start a post with a sneering insult & you think any Sanders supporter is going to even read it, let alone take it seriously?

[Arugula Latte]

23. It's satire.

It's a pro-Bernie post.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

24. It is satirical in that regard... maybe you should have read it first instead of knee-jerking.

[Amaril]

67. Aww, how cute!

Thanks for your lovely comment. Too bad I won't be reading any more from you.

[JackRiddler]

39. It's from The Onion

or it's fake "Upworthy" style adjunct site, clickhole.

[chknltl]

41. 'Bernie Bros' insulted me at first, still does but...

...after reading I quickly caught on to the satire. I am in agreement with you that this is a poor way to get Sanders supporters to even read this.

[Amaril]

68. Nope, I didn't read it.

Really, really tired of the over-the-top negativity on this board right now -- from both camps -- and didn't read past the headline.

Thanks to those who nicely pointed out that it was satire without being all snarky about it.

[Ash_F]

15. Oh she's funny.

That's her first piece?

[Arugula Latte]

17. Yes, he didn't have the experience to vote for the disastrous Iraq War

and to help instigate and prolong the Syrian bloodbath like Hillary did.

[arcane1]

61. The old socialist bastard just doesn't know how to recognize a "business opportunity"

[VulgarPoet]

19. Thiiiiiiiis is a poe. nt

[phantom power]

20. I reject the premise.

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"Foreign Policy Experience" isn't some kind of presidential trump card. It doesn't take precedence over other kinds of experience.

Foreign policy experience is for sure great experience. Clinton is smart to play it up as one of her strengths. But it doesn't out-weigh Sanders' 25 years of Congressional experience. It's just different.


(edit) Oh wait, I get it. But I'll leave this here, just because.

[Scuba]

31. I'll take Bernie's judgement over Hillary's experience any day.

[yourpaljoey]

21. hehehe... well done

[casperthegm]

22. XemaSab, is your post sarcasm? Or were you being serious?

I applaud you for making a post that actually deals with issues rather than "I like Hillary because she'll be a good leader" generic comment.

That said, what are you talking about? Hillary voted for the war in Iraq. Bernie had the foresight to see that it would destabilize the region. And it did. She favored war in Syria. That's turned out swimmingly hasn't it? And she wanted to institute a no-fly zone, daring Russian jets to cross it.

Here's the thing, ExemaSab, having "lots of experience" does your candidate little good if she keeps making the wrong decision. Decisions that cost us trillions of dollars, thousands of brave American lives, countless civilian lives, and destabilizes the Middle East. So yeah, I'll pass on Hillary's experience and go with Bernie's foresight and common sense.

[Arugula Latte]

28. You were on the right path with the sarcasm guess.

[casperthegm]

33. Thank goodness

Thanks for clarifying. That one got my blood pressure up for a sec

[Arugula Latte]

40. Mine too, at first. I had to slow down and re-read.

[Orsino]

26. Heh. n/t

[Autumn Colors]

27. But Clinton has VAST experience

which repeatedly shows a talent for making the WRONG decisions.

[kaliamanita]

30. reductionist superficial thinking

never satisfies. and is often wrong.



O had far less experience than Bernie when he trounced Hillary to take the presidency.


Quality Judgement has turned out to be way more important than Experience.

no argument that yes Hillary has lots of experience...with interventionist war, advocating devastating foreign and trade policy, buddying up to the super rich and corporate America, Clintonian style revenge politics. Yes. she has experience alright. the kind of experience that is destroying America. I'm an Arkansan, we're more familiar with the Clintons than most, this pattern of behavior is decades old.

good luck XemaSab~ take care.

[Scuba]

32. Manny, is that you?

[Mike__M]

34. Birdie doesn't stand a chance

when a weasel is what we need.

[VulgarPoet]

35. Closer to Swift than Leary, but still intelligible. Very nice :)

[Pacifist Patriot]

36. I love posts like this.

It lets you know who takes the time to read something and process it before responding. And who doesn't.

[glinda]

42. His votes prove otherwise. I keep remembering when at a debate

He and H were asked which country was a major threat. She said Russia and he said North Korea. Then they let loose a test. I trust his choices and also those that he surrounds his self with. He has not ulterior motives and comes in with less complications than his opponent. I am getting lots of emails from my friends overseas in other Countries that praise him and are hopeful his nomination. I think he will bring respect to the Country as well as security.

[Avalux]

45. Are we going there again?

In FP decisions that mattered and led to lives lost, Hillary has made the wrong ones. NO THANK YOU.

[bobthedrummer]

46. Dillon, Read & Co. Inc. and the Aristocracy of Prison Profits: Part II (Catherine Austin Fitts 2006)

http://narconews.com/Issue40/article1650.html

BCCI, Iran Contra relevance: UAE, Saudi, Pakistan, money and Bush family (ProSense 10-7-2006 DU)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2870996

[Dragonfli]

47. We need a president as "muscular" on foreign policy as say, Cheney, or Kissinger, Only one candidate

Will kill whom needs to be killed (by order not in person of course) and the commitment and lack of empathy of the comic character "the Punisher" that is needed (without his weakness or code of honor as the fictional character would call it) for the bloodshed required by the type of modern "diplomacy" that the country and world need.

(cluster bombs and civilian casualties are not important, in fact often a plus) only enforcing our just will needed by those that stand in the way of pillaged economic growth matter, even if the indigenous don't know that it is best for them.

Luckily, we have such a candidate ready, willing and able ro spread the red mist of freedom across a globe so sorely in need of it!

[Seeinghope]

48. This foreign policy "experience" is such b.s.

Bernie Sanders has been fighting for human rights since Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater Girl. So this thing that Hillary Clinton has the experience is a joke.

Cheney, Rumsfield, Woldowitz....all had experience too. What was missing though was morality. What also is not considered or talked about here is motive, application of goals.

Hillary Clinton is a hawk who is far more likely to go to war, to go for a coup. It isn't experience it is what you intend to do with all of the power once you get into office.

Do you, as Bernie Sanders has suggested, support some of the Governments in the ME but to let them use their troops on the ground. They are fully capable of doing so. Saudi has the 4the largest and most powerful military in the world.

Whereas Hillary Clinton has spoke of these thing with the U.S. Being in the driver's seat, all the way. She already has shown a propensity to be quick at the draw with devastating effects.

So, again, experience?

Experience is not the one and only question, it is the start.

[LostOne4Ever]

49. I see what you did there! +9001 nt

[Petrushka]

50. K & R --- because Hillary's war record matters!

[CanadaexPat]

51. Thank god.

[CentralMass]

52. Hillary makes bad aggressive and costly foreign policy decisions.

This is not a strong point for her.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

54. Hillary bragging about her foreign policy experience is like Dow bragging about Agent Orange.

[tularetom]

55. Caution: read this OP carefully before responding

[boomer55]

57. yeah he's not much of a war pig compared to Mrs. Clinton I'll give you that.

[Matariki]

58. Did Obama in 2008?

[pdsimdars]

62. Absolutely, only people like Hillary, Kissinger and their ilk

have the diplomatic skills to know which death squads are needed to mow down populist rebellions. You have to have those strong convictions to make those "tough decisions".

I mean, let's face it, if some nut bag democratically elected leader won't go along with the policies our corporations want in their countries, they have obviously shown the lack of judgement for what is "best" for their people. So, we need to step in and help out.

Nice in depth thinking there.

[Sky Masterson]

63. Exactly! Bernie doesn't have what it takes to invade a country that never attacked us.

Now Hillary! She could do this.

[Impedimentus]

71. Pro-Western dictatorships are good for business.

And we know who the super pro-business candidate is don't we.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

[Califonz]

76. Another one for the iggy bin

* plonk! *

[beam me up scottie]

77. Nice!

[whathehell]

80. He has more than Obama had.

[Mbrow]

81. ok ,that was fun

Thanks

[Cheese Sandwich]

83. LOLs

[Lodestar]

84. Obama had even less. And Hillary learned on the job as well. No biggy.