Hillary -- plagiarist or just conscientious recycler or just feeling the Bern?

[nichomachus]

Two years ago, Bernie made a good point



Recently, he repeated the point



Apparently, he made an impression on Hillary. She repeated his exact point as her own



Welcome aboard, Mrs. Clinton. Glad to see you're finally feeling the Bern.

[arcane1]

1. And the speaking fees those hedge funds pay are far more than a teacher's salary.

She gets more absurd by the DAY!

[nichomachus]

4. That didn't go unnoticed by people on Twitter

[tabasco]

9. Perfect.

And nobody can tell me there's no quid pro quo going on.

[rhett o rick]

2. I am betting she tells them a different story when they pay for her speeches. nm

[Scuba]

3. Not acceptable to Hillary who says they should make more than all teachers, not just kindergarten.

[RufusTFirefly]

5. When it comes to Hillary, evolution is more than just a theory! n/t

[DanTex]

6. HIllary's been using that line for a long time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2015/06/13/hillary-clinton-you-see-the-top-25-hedge-fund-managers-making-more-than-all-of-americas-kindergarten-teachers-combined/

[nichomachus]

8. So, she started a year after Bernie first tweeted it.

Good for her. She learns quickly.

[DanTex]

10. I don't know when she first started using it, and I don't know who came up with it originally.

I doubt it was either one of them, this kind of statistic has been thrown around by a lot of people for a long time.

[nichomachus]

11. LOL.

[DanTex]

14. It's the truth. Hedge fund pay has been a topic for far longer than 2 years.

[timmymoff]

21. I'm certain it's a topic at the dinner table during holidays

considering her son in law does that. But of course she will be a valiant fighter against her son in law, daughters and grandchild's income interests.

[Aerows]

27. I noted that about the same time that you did.

Of course she will fight against her daughter's, Son-in-Law's and Grandchildren's income interests!!

She's all about fighting for women and children, even when it negatively affects her own daughter and grandchildren!



Anyone that can say that with a straight face is disconnected from reality.

[Avalux]

7. How about: Hillary - dishonest opportunist.

That's how I see her anyway.

[CharlotteVale]

12. So do I.

[grasswire]

13. I think you're too generous. nt

[Bad Thoughts]

15. No one owns facts

It's what they do with those facts that matters.

[AgingAmerican]

16. A disingenuous chameleon

[msongs]

17. bernie makes a lot more than K teachers but he's off limits lol nt

[nichomachus]

20. How much did he get paid for his speeches to Wall Street?

[LondonReign2]

25. Talk about Bernie's $500K net worth all you want!

Not off limits at all, but perhaps it would be more helpful if you had a clue what you spoke about before reflexively vomiting up a Clintonesque attack?

"Bernie Sanders’ net worth is $528,014. Our Bernie Sanders net worth calculations come from analyzing his U.S. Senate financial disclosure forms."

http://moneynation.com/bernie-sanders-net-worth/

Eventually Bernie might be worth three of Hillary's Goldman Sachs speeches.

[Aerows]

28. Her grandchild's father, Chelsea's Husband

is a hedge fund manager.

Tell me again how she is going to enact policies that impact the financial income of her daughter and grandchildren.

Please, proceed.

Say that with a straight face.

[peacebird]

35. Impossible. Hillary will only do what helps the rich, eff the middle class, eff the poor. Are there

no poorhouses, no jails?

[Tanuki]

18. Clinton was saying this nearly a year ago, and was resonating with Obama on the point.

Maybe your beef is with President Obama, but it is silly to try to cast everything as a crime against Bernie. Btw, the hedge fund managers weren't happy about it when she said it last year.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/05/22/hedge-fund-managers-stung-by-class-warfare-rhetoric.html

......"President Barack Obama called the group "society's lottery winners" last week, noting that the top 25 earning hedge fund managers made more in 2014 ($11.6 billion) than the roughly 158,000 kindergarten teachers in the U.S. did combined ($8.5 billion).

Presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton cited the same statistic in joining Obama's call for ending carried interest tax treatment, echoing what she said in her first campaign speech: there's "something wrong" when "hedge fund managers pay lower tax rates than nurses or the truckers."
......
One prominent investor—who, like others, asked to remain anonymous given the divisive subject—called the rhetoric "class warfare" and noted other times in history, including before World War II, when financial speculators were unfairly blamed by politicians. "
(more at link)

[nichomachus]

19. And Bernie was saying it two years ago

So Mrs. Clinton and Obama are resonating with him.

[Tanuki]

23. And Paul Krugman said it even before Bernie, in his blog on January 29, 2014!

Oh, sweet irony! It now seems that they're all resonating with Krugman, one of the favorite punching bags of the Bern-feelers! What a thing of beauty is Google!

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/hedgies-versus-teachers/?mtrref=r.search.yahoo.com&gwh=8813BDADD30E5E7801DCE5D9CCBA3277&gwt=pay&assetType=opinion

[Aerows]

29. Considering that Hillary's daughter is not only literally in bed

with a Hedge fund co-founder, but married and has a daughter, and another child on the way, this probably isn't the wisest avenue of attack you should take.

But, hey, I won't stand in your way.

Please proceed.

[Tanuki]

31. Who did I attack?

[Aerows]

33. "avenue of attack"

Noun

1.
avenue - a line of approach, avenue - a line of approach; "they explored every avenue they could think of"; "it promises to open new avenues to understanding"

approach, plan of attack, attack - ideas or actions intended to deal with a problem or situation; "his approach to every problem is to draw up a list of pros and cons"; "an attack on inflation"; "his plan of attack was misguided"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/avenue

[Tanuki]

36. Spare me. I attacked nobody. I was responding to the OP's question about the source

of the quotes from both candidates, and found something unexpected. If you think you can score some kind of point by "educating" me about the definitions of common English words, you have a serious need to get over yourself.

[Aerows]

38. Can't say I didn't attempt

to explain the nuance of that particular idiom, but hey, I tried!

[Tanuki]

40. An idiom misapplied.

[Aerows]

42. You appeared eager to claim

that I attacked you. I explained in detail that I was addressing that line of thought.

Sorry the "scoring of points" didn't work out for you.

[Tanuki]

44. I suggest that you re-read the sequence of interactions you initiated. In the first, you made some

of-topic references to HRC's grandchildren, born and unborn, and added a non-sequitur "this probably isn't the wisest avenue of attack you should take". I was genuinely puzzled, as I was responding to an OP about the source of quotes from our two candidates, and had reported a different and prior source that I found surprising. I did not consider, and still do not think, that anything I said could be construed as an attack (or since you've made a distinction, an "avenue of attack&quot . That's why I asked what you meant. I did not "claim" that you attacked me, but I'll admit that your subsequent condescending response has started to give me that impression.

[Aerows]

22. Isn't her son-in-law a hedge fund manager?

Hmm. Fascinating.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Mezvinsky

Oh look, it appears he is the co-founder of one.

[Uncle Joe]

24. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, nichomachus.

[peacebird]

26. Hillary is spouting Bernies talking points NOW hoping to win, so she can pivot HARD right

[Aerows]

30. Hillary is going to do things

that will negatively impact her daughter and grandchildren's financial futures.

[peacebird]

34. Her daughter and grandchild are worth millions if not billions. They will be fine.

It is all the rest of us she will certainly screw over.

But of course you knew that.

[Aerows]

37. Indeed I do

I just thought it was extremely ironic that someone is bringing up Hillary's "firm criticism" of hedge funds when her own family members directly benefit from them.

Honestly, the Clinton Foundation is impossible to classify, according to organizations that monitor charities, so I'm not exactly certain it isn't doesn't have some gray areas, itself.

[peacebird]

39. Puzzled. Did I bring up her 'firm criticism'? I don't think I did....

[Aerows]

41. My apologies, peacebird

That wasn't directed at you, and somewhere along the line I messed up and should have at least included a sarcasm tag, or a rolling of eyes and something to indicate that it was a general statement at the handful of folks in this thread that are now pretending that she has always been a champion and spoken out against hedge funds, or at least as long as Bernie has.

I messed up.

[peacebird]

43. No worries aerows!

[Ilsa]

32. Better late than never?

I hope she was sincere about doing something about it vs reciting statistics for the hell of it.