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awake

(3,226 posts)
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:45 PM Mar 2016

A few months ago I was on the fence as whether to back Hillary or Bernie

After seeing a post about how Bernie was fine flying coach and even taking a middle seat, I went with Bernie. Over the last number of months the amount of Bernie hate, lies and attacks by Hillary supporters has made it harder for me to get behind her. I am sure many here are having second thoughts about whether they will be able to work for Hillary if she wins the nomination. It is not too late to turn it around I am requesting Hillary supporters to please reach out now and stop trying to tear down Bernie and his ideas, just run a positive campaign on Hillary's ideas and if you feel the need to attack direct those feeling toward Cruse Trump and the Republicans. Bernie supports are not the enemy they are the future of this party.

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A few months ago I was on the fence as whether to back Hillary or Bernie (Original Post) awake Mar 2016 OP
Well, after seeing the likes of Brock and Kissinger tolerated by "Democrats" VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #1
that wasn't Bernie. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #2
Maybe not that picture, but until he got SS protection, he routinely flew coach JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #4
So did Rick Perry. I was on a flight with him once. DanTex Mar 2016 #12
I didn't say it was. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #17
There quite a few pictures floating around twitter from people who bumped into him in coach. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #13
He's been flying in private plaes since January. Also SS protection since February Fla Dem Mar 2016 #46
Here is a link to the pictures that I saw awake Mar 2016 #15
Kickin' Faux pas Mar 2016 #3
Im switching my vote cause i saw Hillary at a taco bell MattP Mar 2016 #5
If this FBI investigation against her goes the way that many expect CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #9
LOL! cui bono Mar 2016 #16
too late for me Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #6
"... run a positive campaign on Hillary's ideas ..." Yeah, lots of us would like to see that! Scuba Mar 2016 #7
Either is ten million and one times better than the alternatives. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #8
Absolutely not pdsimdars Mar 2016 #32
So you decided on a candidate based on him sitting in a middle seat? DanTex Mar 2016 #10
Why are you supporting Trump? GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #18
LOL. I'm voting Dem in the GE, you? DanTex Mar 2016 #19
I've already established my view. No more Warhawk DINOs in this househould. GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #20
In other words, you are helping Trump get elected. Enjoy your stay! DanTex Mar 2016 #22
Well at least we agree that Clinton is a Warhawk DINO then. Good day. GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #25
Heh. Clever! DanTex Mar 2016 #26
Did you support Kerry or Bush? nt WhiteTara Mar 2016 #37
LOL!!!!! zappaman Mar 2016 #31
You do know we can search your posting history? itsrobert Mar 2016 #11
Did you get in a time machine... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #21
+1 hrmjustin Mar 2016 #23
Well if you go back far enough you will see the post about when I got off the fence awake Mar 2016 #24
If a positive, issues-based campaign could win, they'd be running it. jeff47 Mar 2016 #14
^^^A Fact Based Post^^^ -none Mar 2016 #27
You've given your warm and friendly feelings, but they might not work here. There may Cal33 Mar 2016 #28
I have often wondered if the "Hillary supporters" who talk trash... awake Mar 2016 #30
Would explain the new additions JesterCS Mar 2016 #34
You know, I've often wondered about Sanders supporters in WhiteTara Mar 2016 #40
Yes spy on both sides awake Mar 2016 #41
I'm a democrat and looking at both WhiteTara Mar 2016 #43
No not at all awake Mar 2016 #45
Great! Here's to voting blue in November! nt WhiteTara Mar 2016 #47
I guess that is a possibility, too. It would be nice to discuss differences without, as you say, Cal33 Mar 2016 #42
And this is how Hillary travels. insta8er Mar 2016 #29
That's an excellent request. lovemydog Mar 2016 #33
Thank you, on am on my out for a bike ride now awake Mar 2016 #35
"just run a positive campaign on Hillary's ideas" mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #36
Cool story bro. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #38
"I'm voting for a candidate based on his airplane flying habits!" Tarc Mar 2016 #39
I am sorry if you miss the point of my OP awake Mar 2016 #44

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
1. Well, after seeing the likes of Brock and Kissinger tolerated by "Democrats"
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:46 PM
Mar 2016

I'm done with the party. They're positively Rovian and tainted by plutocratic money.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
4. Maybe not that picture, but until he got SS protection, he routinely flew coach
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:48 PM
Mar 2016

It switched shortly before the Iowa caucuses.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
12. So did Rick Perry. I was on a flight with him once.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:57 PM
Mar 2016

I have no idea why people think that flying coach is a good way to choose a candidate.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
13. There quite a few pictures floating around twitter from people who bumped into him in coach.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:57 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe one in particular isn't him, the story of him doing so is accurate:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/SandersOnAPlane?src=hash

Scroll through there and you'll find several

Fla Dem

(23,593 posts)
46. He's been flying in private plaes since January. Also SS protection since February
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 05:27 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/bernie-sanders-flying-regularly-private-planes

Bernie Sanders Flying Regularly on Private Planes
“The carbon footprint? We have a lot of people to see and that is the best way to do it.”


Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders – fans of raising taxes on the rich – have taken to flying on private planes. Sanders – who likes to use the Twitter hashtag #SandersOnAPlane – has now taken to flying private regularly.

As ABC News reported,

“This holiday season, Sanders changed his routine and flew almost exclusively on private chartered planes with members of his traveling staff -- taking at least four trips. Most recently, the campaign confirmed, a Gulfstream 200 took the Senator and some staff from Burlington, Vermont two days after Christmas and then from Las Vegas, Nevada to Moline, Illinois for campaign events in eastern Iowa.”

A private jet also took Sanders and staff from Omaha, Nebraska to Chicago, Illinois.

The response of the self-described socialist to criticism of the carbon footprint he's laying down by flying private planes? “The carbon footprint? As opposed to what? We are trying to get around Iowa and get around the country as best we can. So we have a lot of people to see and that is the best way we can do it.”

His campaign spokesman added,

“Bernie is running for president of the United States and his campaign requires him to travel to many communities in Iowa and New Hampshire and other places as efficiently as possible to meet voters and to answer their questions. While he has used commercial airlines on almost all occasions, there are circumstances when using charter airplanes is the best way for him to get around the country and communicate with as many people as possible.”


http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/03/politics/bernie-sanders-secret-service-protection/

Sanders receiving Secret Service protection
By Joe Johns and Allie Malloy, CNN
Updated 1:21 PM ET, Wed February 3, 2016

(CNN)Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders began receiving Secret Service protection on Wednesday, the Department of Homeland Security said.


Nothing wrong with either, just setting the record straight.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
9. If this FBI investigation against her goes the way that many expect
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:55 PM
Mar 2016

you may see Hillary making a "run for the border."

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
18. Why are you supporting Trump?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 03:03 PM
Mar 2016

Everytime you denigrate a Sanders voter or speak to them condescendingly you are pushing them more and more likely to not vote for Clinton. As a result that would mean they are magic +1 for Trump (by your own admission)...

As a result that means by continuing to belittle Sanders supporters you are in effect supporting Trump more than anybody here.

awake

(3,226 posts)
24. Well if you go back far enough you will see the post about when I got off the fence
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 03:08 PM
Mar 2016

After I listen to Hillary being grilled for over 9 hrs. by Republicans in congress she had me on board I started to look into Bernie after being locked out of the Hillary group when I suggested that an attack on Bernie's family would not be helpful to Hillary. It is interesting that my journey to becoming a Bernie supporter started with that lock out.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
28. You've given your warm and friendly feelings, but they might not work here. There may
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 03:12 PM
Mar 2016

be Republicans posing as Democrats at DU, and their purpose is to create problems for
us -- not to help us unite.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: I still will vote for Hillary, should Bernie not
win the Primaries.

awake

(3,226 posts)
30. I have often wondered if the "Hillary supporters" who talk trash...
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 03:18 PM
Mar 2016

...do not have our party best interests in mind. If they are "Republicans posing as Democrats" that would explain a lot.

WhiteTara

(29,693 posts)
40. You know, I've often wondered about Sanders supporters in
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 04:08 PM
Mar 2016

the same way. The vitriol is often over the top and the back and forth between the 2 groups leaves me

awake

(3,226 posts)
45. No not at all
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 05:14 PM
Mar 2016

Look hard at both but understand that our party will benefit from all of the people who are backing Bernie and smearing them will not help Hillary if she become our nominee. Since she is right now in the lead I would like it if her supporters here on DU would take the high road. It is not easy to do and as much as I may try I have not always been able to do it myself. Please understand I do not feel there is anything "nefarious" about looking at both or even supporting one over the other.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
42. I guess that is a possibility, too. It would be nice to discuss differences without, as you say,
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 04:47 PM
Mar 2016

"the vitriol." As long as there are 2 people, there will be some differences.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
33. That's an excellent request.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 03:24 PM
Mar 2016

I second it. I agree with you that Bernie supporters are not the enemy and are the future of this party. Where I am they're involved in local politics and the arts and helping make our lives more inclusive. Hope you enjoy a wonderful day.

awake

(3,226 posts)
35. Thank you, on am on my out for a bike ride now
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 03:27 PM
Mar 2016

I will check back later you enjoy your day as well

awake

(3,226 posts)
44. I am sorry if you miss the point of my OP
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 05:06 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie's flying habits showed me that not only did he have good ideas he also understood how must people live he "does not just talk the talk he walks the walk" seeing those photos was the tipping point. As I pointed out in post 24 "After I listen to Hillary being grilled for over 9 hrs. by Republicans in congress she had me on board I started to look into Bernie after being locked out of the Hillary group when I suggested that an attack on Bernie's family would not be helpful to Hillary" my investigation of Bernie's proposals after the lock out lead me to see that I should give him equal weight in my choice of candidates. It was seeing his "airplane flying habits" that tipped me to his side. As I said it is the amount of Bernie hate, lies and attacks by Hillary supporters that has made it harder for me to get behind her now. I had been a supporter of Hillary before but I am sure that I am not alone in feeling it harder to get behind her mostly because of the tactics which her campaign and supporters are employing. One of the best things about Bernie that I like is his continually taking the high road. I feel it would help Hillary a lot if she would do the same and insist that her people do as well.

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