2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLet's hear it for The Establishment
I find myself tiptoing around, trying to figure out ways to "talk" without seeming to support The Establishment. But, I realized, I DO support The Establishment. I support the structures set up in our amazing constitution that give us the means to improve the lives of everyone with progress from generation to generation. (Let's hope it holds up this go around.) I am impressed by and grateful to scores of people who have served as presidents, members of congress and supreme court justices, not to say those who have kept things going and often improving at the state and local levels. Amazing people have preceded us in this leader country of ours, to progress for equality.
Do I think we're not in a slump right now, regarding equality? No. Of course the income gap is growing wider. We need to keep working to reverse it. But we CAN reverse it.
Do I think everyone in public office is to be admired? No, of course not. I'm not an idiot.
Do I think anyone in public office is perfect? No, of course not.
You know what? Bernie Sanders, as a long serving mayor and senator is part of The Establishment!!!!
So I ask the anti-establishment crowd. What's your alternative? Anarchy???
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)LAS14
(13,769 posts)... by the Establishment?
Half of my post was about the status quo not being acceptable. Pay attention!
artyteacher
(598 posts)Go.... Good parts of the establishment!
revbones
(3,660 posts)MineralMan
(146,262 posts)part of the Establishment. It comes with the territory.
Bernie is one such person. There are thousands more, all across the country. They are the people we elect and the political party leaders who keep things functioning.
Our society is the Establishment. Without that Establishment, we would live in chaos. Sometimes we forget that.
kydo
(2,679 posts)You can't say things like that. BS worshipers will come and beat you up and then blame it on trump's campaign manger.
This is a revolution that means to alter the establishment.
You can fight the alteration. Or you can join in the revolution.
Making excuses for the establishment and its wars and exclusions and its creation of poverty is not a good thing, so people just need to quit doing that, don't you think?
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I don't, what I did was criticize that until they were forced to change their stated point of view in spite of their bigoted attitudes. That's how progress gets made, not by celebrating injustice but by fighting against it.
In NC this last week, 5 Democrats voted for that horrible anti trans and anti gay legislation. They are part of the Establishment that is wretched and which seeks to oppress. You cheer for that, I do not.
See how it works now?
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)You can't cherry pick what actions belong to the Democratic establishment and what things don't just so you can have some boogeyman. It just doesn't work that way. If that's the case, how do you reconcile the many many times that Bernie voted with the Democratic Establishment? After siding with them for about 25 years, yes, he's a part of the establishment. What about Elizabeth Warren? Was it the democratic establishment that repealed DADT? Was it the establishment that confirmed Kagan and Sotomayor and paved the way for nationwide equality? Those aren't wretched things, in my book.