Bernie outspending Hillary 6 to 1 in WI...

[Happenstance24]

per Chucky Toad. I guess he got over that money in politics thing real fast.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

1. Is this the new talking point?

When Hillary pulls out of the state like she did in Washington, then any amount of money quickly comes out to 5 to 1 and greater. Simple math... Y'all seem to love to discuss math.

[Happenstance24]

2. Really? Cause I thought ad times were bought ahead of time not the day of...-nt-

[democraticinsurgent]

10. Not necessarily

I used to buy media for candidates and was proud to say I actually made a buy on Saturday for the Monday before the Tuesday election once. A lot of last minute buys happen in competitive situations.

[Happenstance24]

12. Interesting. Thanks for the knowledge. -nt

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

11. Nope, I saw on CNN in my lobby earlier today... (don't get cable)

That she pulled out of WI. Therefore any money Sanders is spending is going to make it look like there is a huge spending gap since she isn't spending any money there now.

[Happenstance24]

14. Yeah but that kind of ratio

shouldn't present itself after a few hours. Logically I would think it would take days.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

17. You also realize Clinton has name recognition...

Bernie has to spend more than her to offset for that massive advantage she has, as well as all the other advantages she has being the anointed one from the DNC with establishment backing.

[JackRiddler]

74. Why doesn't he use telepathy?

The bastard!

[Red Oak]

81. Excellent! Make the annointed one spend her time fundraising

Maybe she needs some more over those Clooney $353,000 a plate fundraisers.

She is all about the little guy and working class don't you know.

Bernie can have another of my $27 donations. We beat camp weathervane fundraising in March and will beat camp weathervane in April!

[awake]

3. He has over 5,000,000 investors in his campaign

with the average donation of less than $30 I bet those investors our very pleased with how he is spending their money.

[Punkingal]

18. I can tell you I'm one of those investors....and I'm very happy with how he spends it.

[pat_k]

22. I am. And hope he's investing heavily in NY too.

[wilsonbooks]

31. I am, just kicked in again today.

[jeff47]

38. I'm named on an FEC filing for the first time in my life as one of those investors. (nt)

[nc4bo]

41. #BernTheDollas down to the very last cent. nt

[Bjornsdotter]

65. I am very happy!

I donate the money for him to use.

[jwirr]

4. This does not worry me but I must say that I doubt his story.

[killbotfactory]

5. What else is he supposed to do with the money he is raising? nt

[geek tragedy]

29. Pennsylvania and New York? nt

[bvf]

82. I just heard you've been passed again.

Perhaps you're no longer up to the task.

[onecaliberal]

6. His money is from WE THE PEOPLE. Not the corporate clowns that own her

[upaloopa]

77. Some of Hillary's money is from me a person

I am one of over a million

We give less but we win more with it.

[CalvinballPro]

7. Well outspending her 3-to-1 was only producing failures. Plus, the advice he's probably getting...

...from campaign leech Tad Devine is spend-spend-spend. Working for commission on the campaign's advertisement spend can make people biased like that.

[apnu]

53. I don't think Bernie has failed at all.

He knew from the start that he was a long shot. But he's driven the Democratic conversation to the left, hard and fast. He's got Hillary spinning like a top to keep up, with each spin she goes left and left and left. Bernie may be losing the delegate count, and he may not be the nominee when we get to the convention, but he's dragging the whole conversation back to the left where it belongs.

Hillary dances to his tune, win, lose, or draw, Bernie's already "won." Through him the Left has roared and let the Democratic Party know we aren't done yet and we aren't leaving either. It is incredible how much influence he's exerted over this Primary, I've never seen anything like it in my 40 years.

[Ed Suspicious]

8. Bernie is concerned with input, not output. If we want to give Bernie

a couple billion to spend as a group, so be it. If Goldman S. Wants to do it on its own, that's something very different. I suspect you know this.

[litlbilly]

26. You know she cant pay her staff with pac money, has to be from cash on hand, guess what? I think she

is out of petty cash...Just my assessment of it.

[hrmbaja]

43. She's doing more fundraisers than meeting the consitutents.

as of late.

Yeah, I'd say she's broke. I think she's reserving for her last stands.

[Ed Suspicious]

51. What I like about Bernie is that every event is a fundraiser. He doesn't even need to ask.

[lastone]

9. You realize how incredibly stupid your comment is right

Bernie is spending donations from real people, Hillary is spending donations mainly form big business looking for favors later, that is the difference, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH "MONEY IN POLITICS"! Your context is incredibly wrong, so much so that it must be on purpose or god help you...

[Happenstance24]

16. Actually

it was a good natured rib hence the wink but by all means keep going with the hostile attitude. It's clearly working out in your candidates favor.

[GreatGazoo]

42. Way to project and not own up.

You have learned well from these guys...

Maggie Williams, campaign manager for Clinton, played down the significance of the picture. "If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton

[lastone]

67. If your relying on an emoji

To make the main point your not getting your point across, but I suspect your main point wasn't the snark side of it to begin with.

Hint, many people access this site on a phone and unless the emoji is an obvious one it ain't getting seen by everyone...

[PonyUp]

36. 281 on ignore. Once in a while a new one like this slips through the cracks. Click!

[CalvinballPro]

50. Clinton is spending my donations, and I'm a person.

Fuck your bullshit fake narrative. Clinton supporters are real people.

[lastone]

68. LOL

The fucking bullshit fake narrative is on you - and goldman, and citi, and JP Morgan, and Lehaman, etc etc. You are giving money to the status quo candidate and proud of it apparently, unless your putting down 250k + a year your voting against your own economic interests and a fool if you ask me.

[beam me up scottie]

13. I hope you guys aren't paying for these talking points.

If you are I'd ask for my money back, you're just embarrassing yourselves.

[JI7]

15. good for him

[Dem2]

19. It appears to be paying off

[workinclasszero]

20. Bernie knows how to spend other peoples money

For sure.

[JI7]

21. Clintons do the same with the Clinton foundation, campaign donations etc

i'm not sure you really have a point there as he is doing what most candidates do with money they raise for their campaigns.

[workinclasszero]

23. But Bernie is supposed to be above filthy lucre

Guess not.

[IdaBriggs]

32. Huh? No, super Pac money - as in Citizens United?

Have you not heard of it? It allows corporations and super pacs to give nearly unlimited money to candidates. It is, in essence, legal bribery because it makes politicians commodities who answer to the rich people, instead of to their constituencies/the people who vote for them. The Democrats were not supposed to be accepting it PER OBAMA but the DNC changed the rule in time for Hillary to run. Bernie is still not taking super pac money, which is why his campaign is so phenomenal: what he is doing is supposed to have been impossible.

He has proven that a candidate can compete at the national level without funding from super pacs. He has basically proven that it is legalized bribery.

No one ever said campaigns don't cost money, especially when running against someone with name recognition from having been First Lady, etc.

[lastone]

70. ^^^ Ding ding - we have a winner!

Can I get a DUH, as in NO SHIT, as in what don't clinton supporters get about this?

[hedda_foil]

35. We all effin' know that comments like this are totally ridiculous... as do you, I suspect.

What are they paying nowadays for comments on discussion boards? I used to be a freelance writer and could use some cash.

[Warren Stupidity]

25. Isn't that how campaigns work?

They raise money and then spend it. I would be actually pissed if Bernie was raising all this money and NOT spending it.

[awake]

40. Great point and as PRESIDENT Berney will also know how to spend the people's money!

For too long the people's money has been miss spent on war and support of special interests pet projects instead of meeting the needs of the people.

[quantumjunkie]

46. REPORTED for being a Republican troll

[fleur-de-lisa]

48. Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

On Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:17 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

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REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling another DUer a troll is a personal attack that should not be left to stand. Thank you.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:28 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

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[Motown_Johnny]

58. Including mine. I am happy about this.

I hope he keeps spending my money for the next 8 years.

[ljm2002]

66. Excuuuuuuuuse me?

Who the hell's money is Hillary spending? And how the hell much money has she raised and spent during this campaign? Yeah, I guess she "knows how to spend other peoples (sic) money" just fine, tyvm.

[Warren Stupidity]

24. This is an amazingly dumb smear.

[litlbilly]

27. Havent seen them do anythig smart of late.

[blueintelligentsia]

28. Since it's partly my money, I approve...n/t

[HassleCat]

30. This is an interesting development.

Raking in campaign money is evidently a bad thing.

[amborin]

33. i'm glad; considering how the media ignores him, he has to spend; HRC gets FREE air time, constantly

[rhett o rick]

34. And it's money from the People not the billionaires that you revere.

You are on the wrong side of this class war.

[demwing]

37. I know you're not a fool

so the alternative is that you started a contentious and misleading thread in an effort to piss people off.

Do you feel good about yourself?

Why?

[basselope]

39. He's also outraised her 2 months in a row and probably 3 after March is in the books.

[hrmbaja]

44. This time.

Bernie's COH will exceed Clinton's COH.

Clinton's burn rate is exceeding 100%.

[NorthCarolina]

45. WI is an open primary.

The establishment won't drop their hard earned cash there. Better to spend it in NY where they have closed primaries and potentially LOTS of soon to be disenfranchised voters.

[apnu]

55. The numbers are against him, he needs big wins everywhere until the Convention.

He has to spend big and work extra hard in WI, he can't afford a 50-50 split like he did in other places like Illinois.

[BlueCaliDem]

79. WI was an open primary and Bernie STILL missed his target despite plenty of crossovers

from "Independents".

[Ken Burch]

47. It doesn't matter when it's all from small donors.

Small donor money is clean and given solely on principle. It's no different than phonebanking or door-to-door canvassing.

And that's assuming your numbers are accurate.

[Gwhittey]

49. This thread is a perfect example why someone supports Hillary

They are clueless about issues and think that money raised from people is the issue Sanders is talking about. They have access to all information on Internet but either can't grasp it or just don't bother read it. Clinton 2016 riding the waves on backs of low information voters.

[Dem2]

62. Cool story

[Jarqui]

52. How come Rachel isn't all over Hillary for "giving up" in Wisconsin? nt

[merrily]

54. BS. He is opposed to corporate money and dark money in politics, not

donations from ordinary, human voters who give their names on ActBlue.

He's never made any secret of wanting to raise money from people like me.

A certain contingent of DUers never seem to tire of trying to smear Senator Sanders by posting deceptive half truths or "truth adjacent" bs, or even pure, Grade A bs.

[Motown_Johnny]

56. Then I better send him some more.

Thanks for the update.

Money well spent.

[Kip Humphrey]

57. Just for you & your post today: I am making another contribution to the Bernie campaign!

Congratulations & thanks!

WIN! Bernie & ALL of US WIN!

[Onlooker]

59. Of course he is. It's important that he win.

If Bernie loses WI, his campaign is just about dead. Further, Bernie must win be quite good margins in order to have a chance. Hillary can afford to put more emphasis on the states where at least right now she's clearly favored. Obviously, what she's doing is preparing to say that she lost a state she did not seriously contest, just as the Bernie campaign has said about some of the Southern states.

[Trajan]

60. That is PEOPLE money ... Funding by regular citizens

That is MY money, and it is not big money ... What do you expect him to do? ... A campaign requires advertisement, not bribes from upper class patricians ...

So glad you posted this ... The disingenuity of arguments by Clinton supporters is astounding .... But I needed to see it to know what to do ...

Byebye

[revbones]

61. So... 6 times nothing is what? Didn't she decide not to campaign there?

I mean come on. Get the stories straight.

First she's not going to run a challenge there and instead focus on New York.
Now any win he gets there is because he's outspending her.


Well of course if she leaves and isn't campaigning in WI then anything he spends is outspending her...

[Tarc]

63. He outspent her in Arizona and North Carolina as well

Hmm...

[Octafish]

64. Ask Russ Feingold about Hillary Clinton's work to keep PAC money in politics.

From the great DUer Jefferson23:

Clinton, Feingold have shouting match over campaign finance reform

By FREDERIC J. FROMMER / Associated Press Writer Jul 19, 2002

WASHINGTON -- Sens. Russ Feingold and Hillary Clinton got into in a heated argument over the impact of Feingold's campaign finance reform legislation on Senate Democrats, Feingold said Friday.

"'You're not living in the real world,"' Clinton screamed at him, according to Feingold, D-Wis., the party's leading backer of the McCain-Feingold law.

"I picked up my glass of water, and said, 'I do live in the real world and I'm doing just fine in it,"' Feingold responded, raising his voice at the closed-door meeting of Senate Democrats Thursday.

At issue was the law's ban on soft money -- large, unregulated donations to parties from corporations, unions and wealthy people. Feingold said Clinton was worried the ban would open Democrats to legal liability because of what she considered the vagueness of the law.

Feingold said a "core group" of five or six Democrats -- including Clinton, D-N.Y. -- was trying to find ways to get around the ban.

"It was a troubling display for a party that claims to be for trying to clean up the system," Feingold said.

SNIP...

"It's not surprising, but I don't know how they think they're going to get away with, in a closed room, trying to figure out every way they can to keep raising soft money, and then publicly, act like they're getting rid of it. It's going to sound phony," he said.

-- http://chippewa.com/clinton-feingold-have-shouting-match-over-campaign-finance-reform/article_94f8c743-93e1-5e6a-ac64-ce7206ae7b8b.html

Money shouldn't run Democracy, don't you think?

[beastie boy]

69. And he raised $0 for the downticket Democrats.

How does he expect to get anything passed without Democrats being elected?

Methinks he is in this campaign all for himself, which is quite short-sighted.

[synergie]

72. Don't worry, if he loses, he'll just claim they didn't even try there, and it's part of the

confederacy/bible belt or a red state or something.

His antipathy to millionaires has also changed, per some net worth statements floating around. He is one now

[JackRiddler]

73. He makes speeches, he holds rallies, he gets himself on ballots...

The nerve of that man! A hypocrite!

[Avalux]

75. He's using OUR money and I'm good with that!

Go Bernie!!

[upaloopa]

76. He has too out spend her and he doesn't get much bang for the buck

He will win a few more delegates in WI than Hillary will but she will make it up and then some in NY

[Kalidurga]

78. Good

I was worried for a second that Bernie was just relying on my tweets to get the word out.

[ecstatic]

80. "Do as I say, not as I do." - St. Bernie. Lol. nt