Bernie says he can't control how his botts act online?

[Cryptoad]

:large

[Trust Buster]

1. He has definitely decieved his followers in a number of respects. Our moment will come.

[CoffeeCat]

62. Oh please, the only deception happening here is with all of these crazy assertions

I've worked in public relations/media relations/marketing for many years. I've also worked as a consultant.

Revolution Messaging specializes in creating digital advertising and digital campaigns for Progressive caucuses. Their area of expertise is in the political and non-profit world.

A group of high-level Obama campaign workers started the company.

There isn't a successful company or political campaign out there--that doesn't use firms like this to develop big-picture campaigns. You think Bernie is sitting around in a basement somewhere, developing marketing plans?

Nowhere does it say that this is about paid trolls. Because this firm is not about paid trolls. It's about creating online campaigns.

Obama certainly did this. The people who work here developed campaigns like this for Obama. Now, Bernie has hired them.

Every modern PR and marketing plan has an online-digital component to it. It's not scary. It's what everyone does. If Bernie or Hillary wants the public to know about their healthcare plan, they'll issue standard press releases over the wires--but they'll also disseminate the information online, via Twitter, Facebook, etc. Ohhhh...scary!! Not.

Hillary also uses PR and marketing firms. She does the same thing.

What I see here is a lot of faux outrage over nothing.

[hobbit709]

2. Spin FAIL

[virtualobserver]

54. they don't care if their spin doesn't make sense

they just hope it sticks

[mariawr]

55. Lol....the Clinton camp BOUGHT blueNewsreview, the onion and

.....journalists and media too numerous to name ...Capehart comes to mind.

[dchill]

56. If I could just combine "projection" and "distraction"...

into a single word...

[dchill]

64. Are you SURE you're replying to me?

I'm on your side.

[CoffeeCat]

67. (Meant to reply to someone else. Sorry. Only one cup of coffee today, so far!) :)

[dchill]

71. I know. Some days there isn't enough coffee!

[frylock]

81. ..

[CoffeeCat]

68. This post and the rest of the myna birds in this thread are ridiculous

Name one political campaign that doesn't have a digital-online strategy or plan.

What modern-day political campaign wouldn't hire a firm like this? Hillary also hires PR firms. No doubt she has a company managing her online content and developing clever online advertising and campaigns to help her get disseminate key messages.

This firm was founded by digital-media strategists who worked on the Obama campaign. Ohhhh...evil!

The problem is--that you know squat about PR and marketing, or PR and marketing firms. You're suggesting that this is about paid trolls, when it is not. Nowhere is that said.

In fact, the ad that has been posted is pretty standard in the PR/marketing industry. Candidates and corporations (including Hillary Clinton...gasp!) hire firms that help them develop online campaigns.

It's not the woo that you people are suggesting.

Another ridiculous talking point delivered fresh and hot by Hillary fans.

[hobbit709]

78. Considering I was blocked from the Hillary group some time ago I don't think I'm one of her fans.

[Renew Deal]

3. $16 Million will buy you a lot of votes in online polls

[Viva_La_Revolution]

4. fail

Bots are not people, and it is spelled 'bots'

I remember in 2008 hillary did not pay her interns, is she this time? Apparently not
http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-unpaid-interns/

[Gothmog]

5. Who is surprised by this?

[Bobbie Jo]

35. Not in the least.

In fact, it explains much.

[CoffeeCat]

66. It's an outrage!!!! Wait...what?

You guys are going to hurt yourself, with all of the faux outrage. Hiring a PR firm isn't that big of a deal. Hillary does it too.

Hillary hires black-owned PR Advertising Firm
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/clinton-campaign-hires-black-owned-advertising-firm-n463236

Here's an article about Hillary hiring a strategist. The primary task was to make Hillary more "likable." You don't think that PR plan had any online components to it? Okaaaaay.
This Woman’s Job Is to Recast Hillary Clinton’s Image
"Ms. Schake is about to face what may be her toughest challenge yet: working to get another first lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton, elected president."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/style/this-woman-is-in-charge-of-shaping-hillary-clintons-image.html?_r=0

There are pages and pages of articles about Hillary hiring PR firms.

It's standard operating procedure.

[lumberjack_jeff]

6. I'm sure he's envious of his opponent in this regard.

Because the Clinton campaign obviously has her "botts" on a short leash.

[cosmicone]

7. I can name a few of the bots here on DU

The ones who consistently and frequently post right wing screeds and smears against Hillary in GD: P

Also the newbies who start posting like pros and rack up 400 posts in a day.

[hobbit709]

12. Of course there aren't any Hillbots here.

ALL antiBernie screeds are only done through the purest of motives.

[cosmicone]

13. Almost all HRC supporters

here have been around since early 2000's and have over 5K posts.

[hobbit709]

14. That river flows deep in Camp Bansalot.

[beam me up scottie]

16. LOL!

[mac56]

58. Camp Bansalot!

[mac56]

60. Got my shirt!

[Purveyor]

76. Whitewater, indeed!!!

[hobbit709]

19. Oh, really? This took me about 3 minutes

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[cosmicone]

20. I said "almost all" ... fail n/t

[HERVEPA]

27. Yes you do. Especially with the infantile and offensive signature line. (Also extra "s" in name)

[cosmicone]

28. :::: takes a bow ::::::: n/t

[riversedge]

29. Why are you posting my handle and information? This is harrassment. WHY?? I am asking you to

delete my name and other Clinton supporters.


Edit. I should have said handle in the above instead of name

[HERVEPA]

31. Geez. Your name is public info here. You might want to look up the definition of stalking

[riversedge]

37. Yes, it is but it is not singled out along with other Hillary supporters

Btw. I said harassment. Please delete my name.

[HERVEPA]

38. I didn't post your name

And no way would I call that harassment.

[snooper2]

51. Your parents actually named you Riversedge? Is that your first name or is it- Rivers Edge?

[neverforget]

40. 5200 posts in 90 days?

nearly 58 posts/day. I wish I had that kind of time.

[riversedge]

48. Why are you harrassing me?

[all american girl]

25. I've been here for around 13 ears, I think, and I have a small sad number of posts.

I see some who post ALL the time....I wonder if they have a day job.

[cosmicone]

26. I wonder about that too! n/t

[timmymoff]

39. yea, well i always lurked

just read posts etc, since 2000, but with a different type of candidate, I decided to start posting. Right there lies the problem with Hillary and her supporters, entitlement. They feel time defeats issues, this election cycle shows it doesn't.

[auntpurl]

65. Really, since 2000?

That's quite a feat. DU wasn't started until 2001. Maybe you were in the early beta testing or something?

[Warren DeMontague]

41. That's some transparency page

Damn.

[cosmicone]

43. Yeah ... I get alert stalked by people

Sometimes they alert on each and every post I make and the Bernie juries hide them even though they don't violate TOS.

This is why Skinner suspended the 5 and out policy.

It also sucks that some newbie signs on and in a few days has a 40% chance of serving on juries. We have had a lot of "newbies" that exclusively support Bernie Sanders.

I suppose the $16 million spent on "Revolution Messaging" resulted in many of my hides.

[Warren DeMontague]

44. .....right

well, despite the "time out" being suspended, everyone can see your hides and decide for themselves.

[cosmicone]

45. They are bogus ... people can see that.

[Warren DeMontague]

46. I guess.

[CoffeeCat]

70. Oh please

You actually think that Bernie pays people to hide your DU posts?

"Damnit people!! My campaign could be so much more robust and successful if it wasn't for that darn Cosmicone! Fly monkeys fly!! Hide all Cosmicone posts unless you want me to lose Wisconsin!"

Um, no. That's not happening.

[cosmicone]

72. $16 million to "Revolution Messaging"

I wonder how much the hecklers at Hillary's rally were paid by the Bernie campaign.

[CoffeeCat]

77. Revolution Messaging was founded by 2008 Obama-campaign strategists

The firm develops online campaign strategies and marketing plans.

There is no indication that they troll people online or show up at Hillary's rallies. You are absurd. It's all made up.

Hillary hires strategists who help her with online content on Twitter, Facebook and other online outlets.

So does Bernie. So does every political campaign. It's not voodoo.

I have many years of experience in PR/media relations. I also do consulting. If I pitched a PR plan that didn't have an online component to it, I would be fired. To suggest that online marketing/PR/advertising is "paid trolls" and "hecklers" means that you don't understand the industry (at best) or you are intentionally misleading people.

[frylock]

83. I think you were out sick when we held the conference call.

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. Snort!

Thanks for the laugh. I needed that

[frylock]

82. And they hated Mrs. Clinton in 2008.

Another common trait among HRC supporters.

[cherokeeprogressive]

61. You can, but you won't.

Come on... stop bullshitting the forum and "name a few of the bots here on DU". Hides don't mean anything remember? You post it, it gets hidden, everyone reads it anyway, and your hide becomes a badge of honor at Castle Bansalot.

It's a win-win for you.

Or you can just keep talking.

[dogman]

8. Sure, he did that in the Summer of 2016?

Time travelers!

[berni_mccoy]

79. This is the thread WIN RIGHT HERE ^^^

[NWCorona]

9. So now we are bashing a vendor that helped Obama and doesn't work for Republicans?

FYI

"Sanders hired D.C.-based Revolution Messaging to run online fundraising and manage the campaign’s digital advertising, branding, video creation, website development, texts to supporters and online store. The boutique 60-employee firm, led by veterans of President Obama’s 2008 campaign, would seem the perfect fit for Sanders. They don’t work for Republicans, “evil corporations that do harm” or dictators, and there are a lot of democratic socialists on staff, Goodstein said."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/03/18/revolution-messaging-helps-drive-sanders-political-revolution/81977160/

[revbones]

10. Yep - Hillary doesn't have any paid trolls at all.... nt

[NWCorona]

11. ...

[CalvinballPro]

15. The exposure of his online trolling expenses is going to leave Sanders "bott-hurt" nt

[islandmkl]

17. nothing better than talking mirrors...

among other things, it is a miracle of heightened perception that anyone, ANYONE, can discern, let alone PROVE, who is on the other side of any goddam keyboard on the internet...

it's fucking laughable to get too exercised about anything you read, especially on contentious websites like DU...

for all anyone knows, most of the trolls on the 'net are posters putting up posts against the actual candidate of their choice...

let me know when either BS or HRC to any other person(s) who are subjects of these type of websites can exert ANY CONTROL over anything posted...

hell, none of them can even control the people who actually work for them...

[Sky Masterson]

18. He probably has thousands of individual asian slave labor posting on the internet for him

I seriously doubt if Bernie Supporters even exist.
I wonder if I exist?

[beedle]

21. Sorry? What's wrong with that?

"The gig: You will work directly with Revolution Messaging staff to assist clients in shaping, maintaining and evolving their political presence in a digital technology market. Interns will get direct, hands-on experience with the digital tools that are vital in the campaigns of today and tomorrow, and will learn how to effectively organize online in a fast paced political environment."

An internet marketing company hiring interns?

Do you think that marketing only happens on Newspapers, Radio, TV, landline phones, and cave paintings?

Do you call Hillary supports who man her phone banks "bots"?

Stop living in the 50's, no wonder young people don't trust the Hillary team.

[Autumn]

22. Get back to me when Hillary controls hers.

Especialy worthless rat fuckers like David "Anita Hilla is a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty" Brock

[VulgarPoet]

50. Drop your mic, cause you lit that all kinds of up.

[GreatGazoo]

23. even the WaPo found no evidence of "Bernie Bros"

16 negative articles in 16 hours but they couldn't make a case to back up the BernieBros smears.

and then there is this...

J

ust to give you an idea, here are some of the guidelines for our posting in October:

1) Sexism. This was the biggest one we were supposed to push. We had to smear Bernie as misogynistic and out-of-touch with modern sensibilities. He was to be characterized as “an old white male relic that believed women enjoyed being gang raped”. Anyone who tried to object to this characterization would be repeatedly slammed as sexist until they went away or people lost interest.

2) Racism. We were instructed to hammer home how Bernie supporters were all privileged white students that had no idea how the world worked. We had to tout Hillary’s great record with “the blacks” (yes, that’s the actual way it was phrased), and generally use racial identity politics to attack Sanders and bolster Hillary as the only unifying figure.

3) Electability. All of those posts about how Sanders can never win and Hillary is inevitable? Some of those were us, done deliberately in an attempt to demoralize Bernie supporters and convince them to stop campaigning for him. The problem is that this was an outright fabrication and not an accurate assessment of the current political situation. But the truth didn’t matter – we were trying to create a new truth, not to spread the existing truth.

4) Dirty tactics. This is where things got really bad. We were instructed to create narratives of Clinton supporters as being victimized by Sanders supporters, even if they were entirely fabricated. There were different instructions about how to do it, but something like this (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/31/1443064/-Dis-heartened-Hillary-Supporter) is a perfect example. These kind of posts are manufactured to divide and demoralize Sanders supporters, and are entirely artificial in nature. (The same thing happened in 2008, but it wasn’t as noticeable before social media and public attention focused on popular forums like Reddit).

http://socialnewsdaily.com/59087/reddit-user-claims-he-was-paid-to-troll-bernie-sanders-supporters/

[Tarc]

30. Interesting that there can be "no evidence" of something that Sanders himself identified & condemned

Bernie Sanders Tells Berniebros To Knock It Off — ‘We Don’t Want That Crap’

“We don’t want that crap”: Sanders repudiates sexist “Bernie Bro” supporters

Sanders slams sexist ‘Bernie bro’ supporters: ‘I don’t want that crap, I don’t want them’

[frylock]

85. I'll donate $100 to Hillary's campaign if you can show me where Bernie..

identified and condemned "Bernie bros".

[bettyellen]

42. Kos and Reddit asked that poster for verification and it never came...

Could very easily be made up. Usually a person will email a pay stub or some document to the mods so they can verify. This one did not.

[beedle]

73. yes it could ...

.. indeed be made up.

... did BernieBros email their "membership cards" to any mods?

[Warren DeMontague]

47. THE FACT THAT YOU DENY THE EXISTENCE OF BERNIEBROS IS PROOF THAT THEY EXIST!

[Jefferson23]

53. lol I love that one, its my favorite. n/t

[bettyellen]

80. I have to be honest, a couple of my closest friends fit the

Bro profile. Very few people Are willing to "talk politics" with them, because what that actually means is being lectured for a minimum of twenty minutes about establishment and corruption. They forget they already gave that same lecture last week...

[pat_k]

24. Messaging staff creating trolls? Absurd.

Simply absurd.

It would be creating a message that is the direct opposite of what Bernie is saying.

Trolling contributes nothing to revitalizing the Democratic Party. And revitalizing the party is what Bernie is all about.

[fun n serious]

32. YEP.

I think he forgot how to tell the truth on many things lately.

[Amaril]

33. Oh yah, that's totally what it says.

[Vinca]

34. I suppose it's a stretch to offer some proof to the claim.

A copy of a contract, perhaps, stating the above. Anyone can make shit up. Why would Bernie have to pay anyone when he has all kinds of us online supporting him for free? What am I saying? We even send him money.

[wildeyed]

36. If you read his actual tweets and press releases

it becomes obvious that much of the "bro-ness" emanates directly from the campaign. They try to give the candidate plausible deniability, but it was ALL coming from the Mothership. And it IS interesting that FB was suddenly FULL of pro-Bernie posters with completely private accounts.

[Sunlei]

49. Everyone hires social media businesses these days. Not enough hours in the day to facebook,tweet &

add posts to all the comment places.

[VulgarPoet]

52. Baseless conspiracy theorizing unless you've got hard evidence.

I mean unless you're willing to posit that I either don't exist(in which case, I think, therefore I am) or I'm being paid to oppose your nominee(in which case, no, I oppose her for scores of reasons and I wish I was getting paid for opposing her).

[Orsino]

57. Basically, he admitted to planting a dead intern in Scarborough's place.

[Amaril]

74. Ok, that's so not funny, but I had to....

[Else You Are Mad]

59. Two things:

1)What do you think Hillary has done with the millions she has raised. If you think she hasn't hired an online/marketing company for her campaign I have a bridge to sell you.

2) This is common for many campaigns to hire such firms and is not really news or a scandal.

[Arkana]

69. Ahahaha, ok.

This is the best the Hillary campaign's got? You sound like Amy Bouzaglo from that insane episode of Kitchen Nightmares.

[Zorra]

75. BNR = Auto Ignore. nt

[senz]

84. SUMMER 2016?