2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton: I hope Sanders joins ranks when I'm nominee
I believe that I will be the Democratic nominee, Clinton said in an interview on MSNBCs The Rachel Maddow Show Wednesday night, according to a transcript of the interview. I certainly hope that Sen. Sanders and his supports will join ranks, the way that I did with President Obama.
She said she worked her heart out to get Obama elected after she ended her own presidential bid in 2008 because thats what I think you do when a primary is over.
Aaaaand were back to implications of inevitability, and demands that Bernie and his supporters come to heel
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/274753-clinton-i-hope-sanders-joins-ranks-when-im-nominee
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Right you are!
rock
(13,218 posts)Psychics at work!
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)But, much like Elmer Fudd, she's not likely to get what she's hunting for.
revbones
(3,660 posts)dchill
(38,432 posts)That's important, right?
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I don't think they made a deal for her to be SOS prior to the election. I remember reading that she was actually reluctant to accept the position and he had to push, saying something like "I need your help."
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)in exchange for a top position in Obama's cabinet.
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catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)beyond the top line. It is used when a reply is very short so that others don't click on the post only to find an empty body...Also used is EOM, for end of message.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)LexVegas
(6,024 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)LexVegas
(6,024 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)She's already sunk herself.
LexVegas
(6,024 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)LexVegas
(6,024 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Though with all Hilly's moles being uncovered, I wouldn't have very high hopes, were I you.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Madam Mossfern
(2,340 posts)Isn't that kind of arrogant and rude?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Maybe the bros will get a clue then.
KPN
(15,635 posts)Can we at least cut that piece out? It's divisive and nothing more. Maybe if it were factual I would feel differently ... not sure.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Just as I would expect from Hillary if Bernie were to win.
He better be smiling from ear to ear, kissing babies, and proclaiming far and wide just how much he is loving Hillary and her platform. It's exactly what she would do for him, and what ANY Democratic candidate should do for whomever wins the nomination after a primary.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)LexVegas
(6,024 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Let's hope he can hide his true feelings and opinions when meeting with important foreign heads of state who he personally can't stand.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)But he doesn't lie or throw bullshit.
KPN
(15,635 posts)Do you have any clue how that sounds?
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)A key characteristic of Hillary and her gang is tone deafness.
Hillary has stabbed Bernie in the back a couple of dozen times. He owes her nothing.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)riversedge
(70,047 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)wife - I've lost track of the smears. Oh, and he can't do math.
Please note because despite the David Brock generated smears, he seems like a pretty feisty and classy guy - even if he campaigns like he's from Brooklyn/not like he's a Senator!
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)That was what was 'nasty and shameful', that and then sending her own daughter out to tell the same lies to the press.
TrueDemVA
(250 posts)Nope. The establishment ensured I will not be joining those ranks. We are just sheep to them and need to fall in line no matter how much they work against us.
No Hillary, this voter will not follow you or your corporate owners. No more DINOs!
Skink
(10,122 posts)We'll talk.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,576 posts)I'd rather he stay in the Senate - that is, if he's not the president.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,576 posts)That is, of course, assuming she gets the nomination, which is not in the bag at this point. However, assuming she does, and assuming Bernie then agrees to endorse her, she still has to figure out how to get the backing of his supporters. But after months of insulting and condescending to Sanders supporters by characterizing them as a bunch of extreme left-wing, young, naive, privileged, sexist, racist white male "bros" who just want ponies and unicorns and free stuff, that might be a tall order.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)"Fuck. That."
peace13
(11,076 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)TYY
peace13
(11,076 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)increased H-1B visas, and such. maybe those things are okay with Hillary and her supporters, or they just don't give a shit, winning is the only thing, but I cannot do it.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)He will still be the senator from vermont and wiil continue working for the people, not against them.
IF he doesn't win. I'm feeling like i did back in 2008, just before the media had caught on to the fact that Obama was now in the lead..
Autumn
(44,972 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)....she thinks she's going to win?
carburyme
(146 posts)I don't find her statement funny.
She thinks she's going to be the nominee. And she has good reasons to feel positive. No matter what the math is Sanders said so many times he thinks he's gonna win the nomination, I say, go Bernie!
99Forever
(14,524 posts)The wheels came off the Inevitable Express when Bernie announced. And just like every other campaign she has been in, her number keep going down, down, down, till she hit rock bottom. Must be embarrassing to finally realise that the better people know you, the more dishonest and despicable they find you.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)from getting the nomination. If it doesn't, that proves the party is just as corrupt as she is.
But that collusion still doesn't provide any reason to support a law breaker for President. It's not gonna happen.
Some Dems just won't vote for someone who flouts the law, and feels herself to be above it.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)I support Bernie.
I think he would think Hillary would be able to move the agenda he favors forward more than Trump.
I think at least for me, my issue with Hillary has more to do with sincerity than the policies she is proposing.
Speaking domestically here, but if she makes good on some of the ideas she has run up the flagpole she would be a great president for the country.
Foreign policy wise she's much more troubling for me. I don't like her approach and think she was a piss poor SOS, however she would be 100% better than any republican.
I'll vote for her in the general if she wins. However as fickle as young voters are I hope they don't set out the election if Bernie loses because we really could use 16 years of a democratic president and hopefully at least some of those congress, to put the GOP back in their place. They have had so much power for so long when dems win some of their rhetoric and actions actually threaten our democracy by dividing the country so much.
I would hope that Bernie would support her if she wins, but not become part of her administration, because if she turns right and abandons the working class for the donor class after she wins and gets us in another war it would make him look bad. Where if he's still in the Senate he will be freer to oppose or call out some of that sort of stuff.
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B2G
(9,766 posts)The DNC?
I certainly hope not.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Many of his supporters have no interest having her as the President. They're not connected to the party. They do not think she will be better than the Republicans. They do not think of them as one being slightly better than the other. They want real change. They don't wan't Obama's third term. They don't care if Trump wins over Hillary because they don't think she will change their lives more than Trump would...good or bad.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)the ENTIRE segment, Clinton herself said that in 2008, she stayed in until the end so she certainly would expect Sanders to stay in as well. She said it was our process and they are following the process.
The reality is that she is ahead in delegates and the popular vote, so naturally that is just a common sense conclusion that she will be the nominee. But, of course, only Sanders is supposed to be quoted or taken in context. Everything Clinton says, not so much.
Anyway, it looks like more people reject these types of dishonest representations as evidenced by the turnout in Clinton's favor.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)"But, of course, only Sanders is supposed to be quoted or taken in context" Are you seriously making this your argument? Have you bothered to see how many of Her surrogates regularly say he should drop out of the race? That he should just quit? Have you seen even once that Her has firmly denounced such talk? She knows damn well what's happening in her campaign and with her surrogates.
By refusing to denounce their actions, she is tacitly agreeing with them. You'll have to forgive me if I refuse to give her credit where it's not due... and hold her feet to the fire where its deserved.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)watch the entire segment? Or did you find some anti-Clinton article and just run with it.
And it figures that you would demonize people for stating simple truths. That seems to be the hallmark of the Sanders strategy along with his supporters. Reality must not be discussed. Only the alternate universe that is created by you can be discussed. Even Rachel Maddow and now Thom Hartmann are being thrown under the bus because they dare to discuss the reality of BERNIEMATH.
And the reality of BERNIEMATH shows that he's mostly about showboating now. The math is not on his side. Sorry that reality does not fit your fantasies of what reality should be.
But Clinton did not say he should drop out. And thinking people can tell the difference between reality and these cut n' paste attacks on her that fit narrow talking points just to demonize her. Enough is enough.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)On the other hand, did you notice the part where I said she's well aware of what her surrogates are doing... and is allowing it to continue? I ask, but the answer is obviously no. You want to pretend like you're unfamiliar how politics run? Fine... I'll treat you that way: Welcome to DU, stick around and you might learn a thing or two. Lesson number one: Candidates are very very well informed as to what their campaign is doing! Especially when it works to their benefit! This is particularly true in the case of one Hillary Rodham Clinton... who is extremely well experienced in playing dirty-pool in the political arena.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)People are allowed to talk about simple truths. Sorry that is upsetting to you. I see that Rachel Maddow is thrown under the bus and Thom Hartmann also for stating those simple truths about the election results. Maybe you should call Russian TV and tell Thom Hartmann to quite discussing BernieMath. It's a primary race, so people will talk about the results.
That has nothing to do with what she said about Bernie staying in the race or unifying behind the primary winner. Yet this whole thread is denigrating her with vile comments that have nothing to do with what she actually said. It's interesting you bring up how politics are run, when the conventional wisdom and common sense is that parties quit bashing themselves in the primary to save their ammo for their true opponents. That's just common sense. It's common sense and reality. That's all it is. But apparently even that is shunned if it doesn't conform to Bernistas. Instead, people are just demonized more because they dare to talk about what's ahead. Reality is here to stay, unfortunately, and talking about it is going to happen. No one is evil for doing it.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)I don't accept you as any kind of authority on common sense....but hey, if you want to talk reality, lets get down to brass tacks, shall we?
Hillary is flat out unelectable. Can't happen. Absolutely can't. Why, you ask? Well, since you're new here, I'll tell you... Her and her supporters and surrogates are doing a bang-up job with all those ad hominems against Bernie and his supporters.
In fact, they've done such a great job, that about 40% of the democratic party has declared, openly, they will NEVER vote for hilly. She certainly wont get a single conservative vote... they actually do hate her. So, she needs every Bernie supporter to be able to win the GE... and there's a sizable chunk that she'll never reach. And that, my dear R B Garr, is a reality that is here to stay.
Sorry that is upsetting to you.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)That is reality. She won the popular vote in 2008. Reality. Trying to demonize people for talking about election results is just silly and controlling behavior. Anti-Hillary spam is not the answer to everything.
Every one in the history of elections has talked about elections results. Only Bernistas try to shush people from talking about things that the rest of the universe talks about and every single candidate since the beginning of elections talks about. Talking election strategies is nothing evil. I know you want it to be, but it's not.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)That 2.6 million votes can be wiped away in just a few states... or, once again, either NY or CA. And more importantly, most of that 2.6 million are from southern states that will NEVER VOTE FOR HER. She just can't win without Bernie supporters...and she's just not going to be able to get enough of em to win the GE... meaning she's just not electable. That is reality.
And that's foregoing the inevitable legal trouble with her e-mails. I guess she'll be inevitable at something after all.
But hey, you can believe whatever you like, cause, as of right now, I don't give a shit what you have to say.
So long!
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)but no way he wins without courting her supporters which obviously constitute a far greater majority than his. 2.6 MILLION more to date, so looks like I get the last laugh.
And LMAO if you haven't been watching the absolute cluster-f*kk on the GOP side. How utterly self-serving and just pure bullshit that you think they pose any threat after watching them absolutely debase each other. You funny!
Oh, and Bernie is being INVESTIGATED by the FEC, so looks like he's got legal trouble as well. Hey, that sounds like the absolute nonsense anti-Democrats sling about Clinton, so live with it.
And who cares about your dramatized Debbie Downer on Democrats bullshit. Sick of this phony shit!
DetroitSocialist83
(169 posts)She won't be the nominee.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,563 posts)or in this case, jumping the shark.
When she ran against Obama she didn't withdraw and give her support until June, yet here we are still in March and they're playing the "inevitable" card. Somebody's worried about something...
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)In an interview the other day, Bernie said he was going to win.
Hillary says it ... and team Bernie craps its pants.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)surrounding an individual.
Stop it with the cult of personality thing already. The same thing could be easily said about Hillary supporters IF you were to judge them by the roving band of angry, snarky, condescending drones that show up in these threads (the same ones. every time.).
People support Bernie because they believe in his platform. People support Hillary because they believe in her platform.
Like it or not, you are a surrogate for Hillary on this board, and you are NOT winning anyone over with posts like this..............or is that perhaps your plan?
dchill
(38,432 posts)So there's that.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141396756
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Has she said she would do the same if he wins?
Nyan
(1,192 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Response to Bubzer (Original post)
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Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Probably told her that military metaphors and bluster are intended to appeal to men by bolstering perception of "toughness" her supporters love. If they expect to win over new voters, I think they probably misjudged how much many people dislike arrogance and war.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)it's true though. It is sickening.
Maybe she'll feel a bit of that after she eats crow with a slice of humble pie.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)for being bought off or assimilated.
bernie is not interested in a position in the corrupt clinton regime and cannot be bought.
and his supporters are not interested in being part of the collective. we will all have to make our own decisions about whom to vote for and campaign for and fight for.
humpty dumpty is not getting put back together this time.
flobee1
(870 posts)I like that comment.
I am tired of corporations buying politicians
I am tired of voting against sombody
I am tired of having to choose the lesser of 2 evils
Its not just me that feels this way
Things must change, now
Not possibly next election
Our politicians are corrupt, and it has to stop
This election, not 8 years from now
In 8 years, it will not be worth saving
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and yeah, we cant wait 8 years. no way they ever will let someone like bernie get this close again. the whole fricking thing will be decided by superdelegates next time.
its time to grab the ring or democracy as we know it dies
Avalux
(35,015 posts)what a crock! She was reticent; in fact, Bill even refused to endorse Obama after he won the nomination.
I remember how horrible they were to Obama.
Liar.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)Have no doubt, he will do it if she's the nominee. But Sanders v Clinton isn't like Obama v Clinton. Obama and Clinton were pretty close on a lot of issues. Sanders is like liberal day to Clinton's neoconservative night.
He'll endorse her, and a lot of his supporters won't buy it. It will then become a "Just not Trump" campaign.
We'll see how that goes. I really have a hard time seeing a decent portion of Bernie supporters going, "Oh, well, let's vote for the corprocrat after all!"
She's in trouble.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Holy shit you guys are going to be disappointed .
Prism
(5,815 posts)If he didn't endorse her, you'd be in a snit. If he does, then his integrity is shit.
Well, which is it?
I'm already disappointed. The election is just icing. But if you're comfortable, yaaaaay for you.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Look like a sour grapes asshole if he did not.
Aren't you a little obnoxious telling other people what they think? Obnoxious and incorrect.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Hopefully, her supporters will get on board with the ONLY Progressive in the running...
dana_b
(11,546 posts)is nauseating.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)when Bernie wins.
As she used to say, "We will help you even if you didn't vote for us."
RandySF
(58,440 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)Land Shark
(6,346 posts)SeE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clintons-supporters-wont-back-obama/
Obviously that eventually changed. But Hillary has been trying to prematurely claim victory literally since Iowa.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The Clinton campaign is about "me" (My resume, My experience) while Bernie's is about us (Our movement, Our goals, Our vision)
Percieved attacks on the Clinton record or platform are also always personal; (misogyny, usually)
You don't get it, Hillary. It's not terribly important if Sanders himself "gets in line".
If you want our support, you could start with stopping the "racist berniebros" narrative.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Billionaires pay an effective tax rate lower than nurses or truck drivers. That makes no sense at all. There has to be real tax reform and the wealthiest corporations will pay when I'm president."
Source: CBS News, "Democratic Debate Transcript: Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley in Iowa," cbsnews.com, Nov. 14, 2015
If it's so horrible for a candidate to say that they will be president, you need to get snippy at Sanders too. I mean otherwise there are a fair number of hypocrites in this thread.
BainsBane
(53,010 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)BainsBane
(53,010 posts)Since when?
It's math. Simple math. There is no right wing vs. left wing math. There is math that adds up and math that doesn't.
Bernie has 44% of the earned delegates, not 66%. It's cute how they only count votes for one week and not the two months of primaries before that. That site's like that unskewed polls shit nonsense that conned Mitt Romney out of major money. Whatever. Fantasy is obviously very important to you. Nothing I can do to convince you otherwise. I expect you'll be celebrating Bernie's inauguration next January while he and Jane or on vacation in St. Lucia. Reality won't make an appearance.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)And here I'll borrow your own words to use against you: Whatever. Fantasy is obviously very important to you. Nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.
Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)if he is nominated.
Obviously. Just look at all the rotten, evil shit they have been throwing at Bernie since the moment he announced his candidacy
They will join ranks with Republicans to defeat Bernie and get Trump elected.