2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThere is a new set of anti-Bernie memes being used that are from right wing sources.
The worst of them is this one:
Not only did he support marriage equality the "quotes" from 1982 and 2006 are blatant fabrications.
When I did a search it led me to a Twitter feed where another person posted a picture of Bernie in a Nazi uniform:
#NoBernie
#WakeUpAmerica https://t.co/1OjbFaD61s
https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/700079095288352769?s=09
Please check your sources before posting.
revbones
(3,660 posts)msongs
(67,361 posts)props up Bernie that is
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I call out Bernie supporters who cite right wing sources, can you say the same?
synergie
(1,901 posts)with your "research" on anyone other than yourself?
I've not seen anyone calling out citations of right wing sources of attacks on Hillary, I've seen lots and lots of reccing and cheering on of such smears, and yes, I personally can indeed say the same AND support that claim, which not many of you Anti-Hillary people can honestly claim.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1615739
Point to where I once ever did anything like that or posted anything "anti-Hillary".
I'll wait for your apology.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Nazis pretty much stopped being "socialist" by about 1925. Socialists and Communists were rounded up even before the mass incarceration and extermination of jews.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Nor do they care to learn, it's all a sport to them. Anti-Semitic articles have been posted here and a link to Stormfront was used to associate Bernie with neo-Nazis.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)This bears repeating.
For all too many it's not about honest engagement, it's about trying to score points.
Then off to the next smear.
Thanks for your pointed counters of this.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)It tends to make them think twice when their names are attached.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)that quotes Hitler explaining that the Nazis were not "socialist" in the sense that the primacy of the worker was paramount. He instead invented the term "national socialist" to describe the philosophy of workers who place primacy of the nation-state above all other considerations.
Essentially, he co-opted "socialist" to mean "nationalist."
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Reading that twitter account that poor sad man is so full of hate for everyone.
synergie
(1,901 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Going through life being so scared and hateful is not nice.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)are of actually sourcing RWingers for their repeated attacks (like Judicial Watch, The Daily Caller etc. just to name a few).
You point to a single person on twitter, and don't refute the actual facts presented and then go off on some tangent about a different person on the feed who posted some nasty picture. I'm not sure if you know how twitter works, but that's not exactly how checking a source works.
Here's a link about Bernie, from a verified source that isn't some guy on twitter and someone in his mentions, which supports the allegation that Bernie did actually do some evolving on the issue.
http://time.com/4089946/bernie-sanders-gay-marriage/
I'm not sure why the need to obfuscate his history, there is nothing shameful about his position, he stood up for gay rights, even if pretty much everyone 10-20 years ago was not as evolved as they are now on the issue of federal support of marriage equality. I also don't know why it was so very difficult to actually do a search on the facts presented rather than do some image search to some random twitter person and then use some other random person on their feed who posted something as a way to discredit something.
Right wing sources are a problem here, they are quite literally the foundation of the Hillary hating brigade and the sole tool used by those that attack her. This is not "right wing" and this is not an "attack" on Bernie, it's a thing that happened, even if it doesn't fit your current narrative of his perfect perfection since he was hatched as the divine Birdie Sanders.
He's human, he's a guy who has a record, who made statements and which were not then or even now anything terrible by the standards of the time, both candidates have an excellent record on gay rights, not perfect by any means, but leaps and bounds over the competition.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)or posting an article from a Holocaust denier's website, or accusing Hillary of rape or pedophilia.
And no, Bernie did not oppose marriage equality, the Time article cites a now debunked blogger at Slate.
Unless you have facts to back up your assertions don't bother because I've been posting about this issue for months.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)Pretty lame stuff IMO.
I did search for consistency (curiosity) and it is a tad more complicated than it seems at first blush though: http://time.com/4089946/bernie-sanders-gay-marriage/ , http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html , http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/28/us/politics/as-gay-rights-ally-bernie-sanders-wasnt-always-in-vanguard.html?_r=0
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Unless you've got something other than links that cite a lying blogger at Slate don't bother.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)It's just a little more complicated than it seems, that's all. I would suggest you read the articles (they all say essentially the same thing, they're just a timeline review using actual quotes in context (except the 2nd article isn't that great in this regard)) and comment further.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I've been fighting these smears for months so I know what I'm talking about.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)I just like to have the best information at hand when an issue arises. I assume you've shot down the 2 Pinocchio's that WaPo gave Bernie on this topic?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Dem2
(8,166 posts)I wasn't even thinking along those lines, these articles simply point out that he wasn't an outspoken proponent of gay marriage.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Like the meme in the op.
Differing opinions are fine but outright lies push my buttons.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)For all time.
Bernie ran for Governor of Vermont in the 1970s.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)Tired of you ruining a perfectly satisfying conversation with your obsession to butt in clumsily, with unrelated hyperpartisan crap.
senz
(11,945 posts)and there was nothing hyperpartisan about my comment.
Try not to be so easily "ruined."
senz
(11,945 posts)in the ... perfectly satisfying conversation ...
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Claiming somebody isn't pure enough on same sex marriage isn't a typical line of attack from the right wing. They would be attacking him for being FOR same sex marriage.
And right wingers aren't going to spend their time trying to tear down Bernie because they think the Democratic Party is going to make sure Hillary is the nominee.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)There was another meme posted in this forum this morning that came from progressivestoday which is a racist tea party website.
Supporters of both candidates should be careful when they drag stuff o ff the net and post it here. Spreading right wing garbage about either candidate hurts all of us.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)I didn't know the origins. I'm not familiar with progressivestoday--I will go research it.
btw-the twitter link was pretty disgusting. I looked through many of their tweets.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They publish horribly racist, homophobic, sexist and anti-Semitic articles about liberals.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)no way battling trunp in the ge is going to be this exasperating. dirty, infuriating, yes. but not so damn exasperating.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The woman who owns it is a racist homophobe who uses right wing sources like Project Veritas and Republicans to smear Bernie But because she says she's a "feminist" and a Dem they continue to post her lies here.
Here are some of her tweets:
https://twitter.com/TAW3343/status/714512922677014529?s=09
https://twitter.com/TAW3343/status/707766585436442624
https://twitter.com/TAW3343/status/707792527261245440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)it shows the increasing desperation and unraveling of the end of a campaign.
some people can lose with dignity, and then......
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)has evidently escaped these "brainiacs".
The idea of putting a socialist Jew in a Nazi uniform is so heinous that it's mind boggling.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Let me know when you start then you can criticize me.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Oh, wait.....
Prism
(5,815 posts)Sadly, I've seen LGBT posters here try to twist things about Bernie, just because they cannot answer for Hillary's sacred marriage spiel until 2013.
Whatever. They sleep with themselves. I don't have to.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I believe you posted a pre-emptive op before all of this started.
Thanks for trying.
Prism
(5,815 posts)It was predictable. They seized on the obvious, and now we must endure all this eye rolling in response.
My retinae are killing me.
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)So much so that "progressives" have decided that Fox News, the Daily Caller, the Washington Times, the Free Beacon, and virtually every other right wing source is preferable to respected publications like the New York Times and the Washington Post.
The blatant fabrications about Clinton are posted by said "progressives" on a daily basis. And now you're outraged that there exists someone on the internet something that fails to herald Bernie as superior.
How dare they not use their right wing memes to sink the presumptive Democratic nominee and deliver the election to the GOP!
It says something that YOU were the one who had to bring it here rather than a Clinton supporter.
Your information about Sanders on marriage equality is incomplete, to say the least, but that is entirely expected given the source.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And let me know when you start calling out right wing smears against Bernie from your associates.
Or when you stop linking to blogs that are owned by homophobic racists.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Because the blog you've been linking to lately is owned by a homophobe.
But then I always consider the source too, lay down with dogs and all that.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)you refer to?
Just to be clear?
Tarc
(10,472 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I do hope you don't pay extra for the bullshit.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And here's just one instance where I called out the use of right wing sources.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1615739
Tarc
(10,472 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Oh and reading is fundamental, I said "one instance".
Tarc
(10,472 posts)One time you told a newbie "don't use Free Beacon" doesn't clean your DU record.
I think this person had the right idea this morning;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=87151
Buh-bye.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hector Projector.
And thanks for the tip, that op was hidden for some strange reason.
Amaril
(1,267 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Wish I could find the clip but alas...
me b zola
(19,053 posts)Hell of a campaign.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)"do as I say, not as I do" is coming home to roost.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But considering the source I won't hold my breath.
Smooch!
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Mostly people who belong to Bill's hate site and their sister site the CCave.They project their own motives onto me but the funny thing is they can never back up their claims.
So I let it roll off my back, when bigots and assholes hate me I know I'm doing something right.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)good job little soldier.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And someone's got to do it.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)everyone has seen it. It's old and worn out. The badgering, the name calling, the persistence. It's a fucking joke, and you perpetuate it frequently.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Keep trying though.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Say shit that you can in no way prove, act like it's true, and move along. Real nice.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)..akin to a mosquito buzzing around.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)And the sounds make no sense...but they persist. Like tininitis.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)When you stop it goes away.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)In your own very special mind, if you have the last word, you honestly believe you have won an argument. It's so very sad really. It's not like I'm the only one that's noticed. I suppose I should let you continue believing that little trite thought...here, go ahead sweetie and reply again, you know you want to. You know it will make you feel like a winner. I may not even respond so you can feel like a winner.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Seriously if the drill instructors couldn't break me and stalkers couldn't scare me what do you think harrassing me on the internet and calling me 'sweetie' is going to do?
Better luck next time.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)The reality is that persons rarely see themsleves with the same shadow they cast on others. Take this post as notice. I've felt bullied by you and have seen you do it over and over to others..almost on a daily basis.
As mentioned before, your methods are old news, and no longer achieve much
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Nah, what happened is you either thought I would be cowed by your nasty personal attacks and abandon the thread or I would lash out so you could alert.
And you're still at it trying to set me up by complaining about how 'bullied' you are. All you have to do is leave the thread if my smilies and joking are too much for you.
I already told you it's not going to work, you guys have been stalking and harassing me for months and I'm still here laughing at your antics. You really should get a new hobby. I'm not hurting anyone by posting here and I have just as much right to post here as anyone else.
And I thought you said you were done?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Playing the martyr isn't like you at all. You are much more likely to attack, belittle and call names.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Not like it's a big secret, most people know about the alert stalking of cali and the rest of us, who was involved and how long it's been going on.
And you want people to believe that I'm bullying you with my cheery snarkiness and smilies, it's absurd. I mean it's not like people can't read the thread.
Like I said, I'm not intimidated, I'm not going anywhere and you're not going to bait me into a hide so you might as well give up.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Still playing the martyr
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You were the one who said you felt like I was bullying you so who's really playing the martyr?
But if you really really feel like I'm bullying you here's a hug:
All better?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)I don't like rw sources being used against Democratic candidates
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)We know for a fact that right wing trolls from CCave have been here for years stirring up the shit. They are enjoying watching us tear each other apart right now.
As much as I like a good fight about issues and policy I draw the line at bigotry and right wing sources.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)It's a filthy pigsty
baldguy
(36,649 posts)But RW attacking Clinton - stale, old, debunked ones especially - are A-OK. Got it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If you guys keep this up you're going to create a worldwide shortage of straw. Think of the animals!
baldguy
(36,649 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It's easier than having to face the truth that you guys aren't the holier-than-BernieBros y'all pretend you are.
Glass houses, lay down with dogs, etc.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Their shit smells of lavender & roses!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)"Sanders told the Associated Press that he was comfortable with civil unions, not full marriage equality"
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html
1982 "a newly unearthed resolution signed by Bernard Sanders in 1982 affirming marriage is between husband and wife,
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/02/06/clinton-surrogates-pounce-on-sanders-over-82-marriage-resolution
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bernie never opposed marriage equality, he knew it wouldn't pass so soon after we legalized civil unions so he said we should wait. And he was right.
Here's the transcript to what he said in 2006:
And the other quote 1) was never said by Bernie and 2) had nothing to do with heterosexual marriage, it was a symbolic resolution in support of husband and wife not man and woman. It was found and spun by Hillary supporters and debunked. Same sex marriage wasn't even on the table than.
Taking quotes out of context, attributing to him words he never said and misrepresenting a resolution makes it a fabrication.
And considering it's being posted by supporters of a candidate who was adamantly against marriage equality it's even sleazier to use lies to attack Bernie who never opposed it.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Slate, Oct. 15 2105:
And as recently as 2006, Sanders opposed marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont. The senator may have evolved earlier than his primary opponents. But the fact remains that, in the critical early days of the modern marriage equality movement, Sanders was neutral at best and hostile at worst.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html
HufffPo, Jan. 16, 2016:
In 2006, Sanders said he supported civil unions but not same-sex marriage, again deferring to states.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-gay-marriage_us_569fcc4de4b0a7026bf9e06f
He really needs to get over this.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He was referring to the feds wanting to overturn Massachusetts'same sex legislation, he OPPOSED their attempt to do so. His vote against DOMA was his vote to allow states to pass same sex marriage, if he opposed it he would have voted for it.
Debunked.
And the other article doesn't say he opposed marriage equality, read it again.
Find an actual quote where he said he opposed it and. get back to me.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,286 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]This video does a good job of demolishing that article:
But, going back to them image, the LGBTQ community supported civil unions in Vermont...does that mean they were against SSM? Of course not. Civil Unions were a stepping stone and everyone knows that. GLAD even called them a Victory
http://www.glad.org/work/cases/baker/civil-unions
Here is an NPR article detailing the struggle that was had to pass Civil Unions back then.
http://www.npr.org/2013/03/27/174651233/how-vermonts-civil-war-fueled-the-gay-marriage-movement
And the 1982 document was debunked. It was about trying to lower divorce rates and had nothing to do with LGBTQ issues at all. Trying use it to say Sanders opposed Gay marriage is like trying to say the Flinstones Theme song was about being homosexual because it ends with the phrase "we will have a gay ole time."
But beyond that, it ignores Sanders Letter from around the 1970s:
And all he did to get a gay pride day passed in Burlington:
http://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2015/06/30/32-years-before-scotus-decision-sanders-backed-gay-pride-march
His defense of Gay Soliders in the 1990's:
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/9/9295867/bernie-sanders-gay-soldiers
Risking his political career opposing DOMA:
http://www.advocate.com/election/2015/10/25/bernie-sanders-doesnt-remember-domas-passage-same-way-hillary-clinton
His perfect record on gay rights legislation:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Notebook/Note_06n-HRC.htm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511531610
This man has risked his career time and time again to fight for Gay rights. The fact that on DU, of all places, that people would even attempt to swiftboat him like this is disgusting.
UTTERLY DISGUSTING![/font]
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bookmarking for the next time someone pulls this crap.
LostOne4Ever
(9,286 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But these are only very recent developments. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton may be champions of same-sex marriage now, but you dont have to go far back to find a time when they werent. And hey, were happy to have their evolved support.
Not only did Sanders vote against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996 which defined marriage as between one man and one woman, signed into law by then-president Bill Clinton an unpopular position then a look back at Sanders political career shows consistent support of the gay rights movement. Even when it was more than just unpopular, it was downright controversial.
In our democratic society, it is the responsibility of government to safeguard civil liberties and civil rights especially the freedom of speech and expression, Sanders wrote later in a memo. In a free society, we must all be committed to the mutual respect of each others lifestyle.
...
It is my very strong view that a society which proclaims human freedom as its goal, as the United States does, must work unceasingly to end discrimination against all people. I am happy to say that this past year, in Burlington, we have made some important progress by adopting an ordinance which prohibits discrimination in housing. This law will give legal protection not only to welfare recipients, and families with children, the elderly and the handicapped but to the gay community as well.
http://www.queerty.com/32-years-before-marriage-equality-bernie-sanders-fought-for-gay-rights-20150719
Of course, Clinton has since evolved on LGBT rights, as many have. That's wonderful. But the problem is, she only came out in support of marriage equality after it was not politically risky to do so. In fact, by 2013 - the year Clinton announced her full support for marriage equality - Democratic support for same-sex marriage was the norm, not the exception.
On such an important moral issue that affects my life and the lives of thousands of other Americans, making decisions in this manner is rather despicable. Additionally, Clinton's habit of doing what polls deem politically popular is the reason why so many voters find her inauthentic. Now, if Clinton were the only option for the Democratic presidential nomination, I would understand why we should support her despite these flaws.
But she isn't the only option.
Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, the longest-serving Independent in the history of Congress, is also running for the nomination. And unlike Clinton, his record on LGBT rights is historically excellent.
Sanders voted against DOMA, one of the few members of Congress to do so, at a time when such a stance was not politically popular. Four years after DOMA passed, Sanders helped champion Vermont's decision in 2000 to become the first state to legalize same-sex civil unions. This set a national precedent for LGBT equality achieved via legislative means. In 2009, when Vermont became the first state to allow marriage equality through legislative action rather than a court ruling, Sanders expressed his support once again. Truly, Sanders has been a real leader on LGBT rights, even if this leadership isn't recognized in the way that Clinton's current support is.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-novak/on-lgbt-rights-bernie-lea_b_7662682.html
Todays Supreme Court decision was a monumental moment in American history, as it guaranteed the right for gays and lesbians to get married and established full marriage equality.
Many politicians offered their words of support, including President Obama and Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.
Yet it is important to remember that Obama and Clinton both opposed marriage equality as late as early 2012. It is a testament to the work of thousands of activists over decades that the political class was pulled towards supporting equality.
There is however one prominent politician who did not wait so long to call for full gay equality: Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
In a letter he published in the early 1970s, when he was a candidate for governor of Vermont from the Liberty Union Party, Sanders invoked freedom to call for the abolition of all laws related to homosexuality:
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/bernie-sanders-was-full-gay-equality-40-years-ago
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Saturday he has been waiting for the nation to catch up to his support for same-sex marriage.
Sanders remarks come a day after Fridays landmark 5-4 Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide.
He argued he was well ahead of the historic decision, unlike Hillary Clinton, his main rival for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination.
...
Sanders at the time served in the House of Representatives, which voted 342-67 in favor of DOMA. The Senate voted 85-14 in favor, before former President Bill Clinton signed it into law.
That was an anti-gay marriage piece of legislation, he added of the law that defined marriage at the federal level as the coupling of one man and one woman.
Sanders on Saturday praised Americans for creating greater opportunities for same-sex couples. Fridays Supreme Court ruling, he charged, was not possible without national pressure for gay rights.
No one here should think for one second this starts with the Supreme Court, Sanders said.
It starts at the grassroots level in all 50 states, he said. The American people want to end discrimination in all its forms.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/246370-sanders-i-was-ahead-of-the-curve-on-gay-rights
Most Americans now support legally allowing gay and lesbian relationships, same-sex marriage, and personal marijuana use after decades of shifting public opinion. But one Democratic candidate for president, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, was calling for many of these changes decades ago.
In a 1972 letter to a local newspaper which was recently resurfaced by Chelsea Summers at the New Republic Sanders wrote that he supported abolishing "all laws dealing with abortion, drugs, sexual behavior (adultery, homosexuality, etc.)" as part of his campaign for Vermont governor:
These stances were far removed from public opinion at the time, according to Gallup surveys on marijuana and gay and lesbian rights. In 1972, 81 percent of Americans said marijuana should be illegal which suggests even more would favor the prohibition of more dangerous drugs like cocaine and heroin. In 1977, the earliest year of polling data, 43 percent of Americans said gay and lesbian relations between consenting adults should not be legal, while 43 percent said they should be legal.
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But it took decades for the American public to come around to majority support on these issues: It wasn't until 2013 that a majority of Americans supported marijuana legalization, the early 2000s that most consistently responded in favor of legal gay and lesbian relations, and 2011 that a majority first reported backing same-sex marriage rights.
Sanders has carried many of these positions to this day. He was one of the few federal lawmakers to vote against the Defense of Marriage Act, the federal ban on same-sex marriages, in the 1990s. And while he told Time's Jay Newton-Small in March that he has no current stance on marijuana legalization (but backs medical marijuana), he characterized the war on drugs as costly and destructive.
http://www.vox.com/2015/7/7/8905905/sanders-drugs-gay-rights
Now that he's officially announced he will seek the Democratic nomination for president and challenge Hillary Clinton, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders will be talking about his positions on major issues on the campaign trail, and one very big issue he has championed for years is gay marriage. Sanders, unlike some of his potential Republican opponents, seems like he would not turn down an invitation to a gay wedding (and he might actually get invited to one).
In 1996, then-Representative Sanders voted against the Defense of Marriage Act, which barred recognition of gay marriage at the federal level (DOMA was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 2013). Sanders' and his home state of Vermont were the first to legalize same-sex unions in 2000, at first recognizing them as civil unions. Gay marriage has been legal in Vermont since 2009, and as The New York Times reported, Vermont was the first state to pass legislation in support of same-sex marriage, rather than in reaction to a court ruling.
On Tuesday, as the Supreme Court took up the issue of gay marriage, Sanders issued a statement on his website reaffirming his support, saying gay Americans in every state should be allowed to marry.
Of course all citizens deserve equal rights. Its time for the Supreme Court to catch up to the American people and legalize gay marriage.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/79951-bernie-sanders-views-on-gay-marriage-show-hes-been-a-supporter-for-a-long-time
Bernie Sanders, the longest-serving independent member of Congress, is officially seeking the Democratic nomination for president in 2016, the Vermont senator announced in an email to supporters this morning.
"People should not underestimate me," Sanders told the Associated Press in an interview that broke the news of his candidacy Wednesday night. "I've run outside of the two-party system, defeating Democrats and Republicans, taking on big-money candidates and, you know, I think the message that has resonated in Vermont is a message that can resonate all over this country."
The self-described "Democratic socialist" wants to challenge the business-as-usual trend of big money in politics that he says dominates the current candidates including Hillary Clinton.
The thrust of Sanders's campaign thus far like his political career as the mayor of Burlington, Vt., 16 years in the U.S. House of Representatives, and the past seven in the U.S. Senate has focused on supporting working-class Americans through elevated taxes on the wealthy and correcting income inequality "which is now reaching obscene levels," he told the AP.
But Sanders has also been a steadfast and reliable supporter of LGBT equality, supporting the Employment Non-Discrimination Act when it passed the Senate in 2013 and even calling on President Obama to evolve already and support marriage equality in 2011. He's a cosponsor of the federal LGBT-inclusive Student Non-Discrimination Act and has consistently voted against bills seeking to amend the Constitution to ban same-sex marriage, while cosponsoring a bill that would repeal the remaining portions of the so-called Defense of Marriage Act. Sanders has a perfect score of 100 percent on the Human Rights Campaign's latest Congressional Equality Index.
http://www.advocate.com/politics/election/2015/04/30/bernie-sanders-most-lgbt-friendly-candidate
PatrickforO
(14,559 posts)socialists. Now, I spent the entire last year of my undergraduate education studying the 20th century with special emphasis on the social and economic consequences of the first world war and the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler was not a socialist, and after he took over the party, he quietly got rid of the socialists. The reason? He wanted to rearm and start a war of revenge against France and England. To do this he needed the support of the German industrialists and military aristocracy.
So the Nazis weren't socialists.
(sigh)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And yeah, arguing with right wingers is futile, either they're too stupid to learn the difference or they are lying in order to smear Bernie.
LostOne4Ever
(9,286 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]The people perpetrating these RW lies epitomize everything wrong with politics.[/font]
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Do you still have that article that debunked the marriage resolution nonsense? I couldn't find it.