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beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:19 PM Mar 2016

There is a new set of anti-Bernie memes being used that are from right wing sources.

The worst of them is this one:



Not only did he support marriage equality the "quotes" from 1982 and 2006 are blatant fabrications.

When I did a search it led me to a Twitter feed where another person posted a picture of Bernie in a Nazi uniform:

Just remember Nazis were socialists!

#NoBernie
#WakeUpAmerica https://t.co/1OjbFaD61s

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/700079095288352769?s=09


Please check your sources before posting.

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There is a new set of anti-Bernie memes being used that are from right wing sources. (Original Post) beam me up scottie Mar 2016 OP
Thanks for posting this. nt revbones Mar 2016 #1
yes but the bernie crowd thinks everything on twitter is TRUE FACT...when it msongs Mar 2016 #2
I don't want to hear your Hillsplaining, this one is on you guys. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #3
How is something you introduced, you dug up and you presetned here synergie Mar 2016 #11
Is that a fact? Do you always assert if you don't see something it doesn't exist? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #19
Just for the record Depaysement Mar 2016 #4
Hate Trumps facts Gwhittey Mar 2016 #6
Also, Trump Hates Facts LondonReign2 Mar 2016 #40
Wait, you cannot hate something you really do not even know exists nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #58
Thanks, the people who red bait are morons who know nothing about history. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #7
"Nor do they care to learn, it's all a sport to them." suffragette Mar 2016 #22
Those people should be called out for public shunning. Snotcicles Mar 2016 #37
There is a passage in "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" Maedhros Mar 2016 #8
Those pesky RW lies get everywhere! baldguy Mar 2016 #75
Good lord Gwhittey Mar 2016 #5
He's a right winger, what do you expect from them? synergie Mar 2016 #12
yea but I can still feel sad for them. Gwhittey Mar 2016 #18
The ones I found from Hillary supporters were just as bad. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #48
I see this as progress - he's now officially on their radar nt riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #9
So which right wing source was that? I'm just asking given how fond Bernie supporters synergie Mar 2016 #10
Oh give me a break. Let me know when you see us linking to Stormfront beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #15
Yawn Dem2 Mar 2016 #13
Not complicated at all, Bernie never opposed marriage equality. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #16
I read the 3 articles Dem2 Mar 2016 #17
I read the articles, more than once and they're based on speculation and lies. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #20
I don't personally care much one way or the other as I think he's been way ahead on this issue Dem2 Mar 2016 #27
The WaPo article never said he opposed it and was also based on hearsay. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #42
Ahhh, you're answering the question "did he oppose it" Dem2 Mar 2016 #44
Oh I can agree with that, it's the lies about his opposing it that I'm trying to counter. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #45
Got it Dem2 Mar 2016 #47
Bernie established his LGBT creds 45 yrs ago. senz Mar 2016 #74
Nuance is lost on you Dem2 Mar 2016 #76
It is appropos to the subject of the thread senz Mar 2016 #81
It is also five (5) hours after your last comment senz Mar 2016 #82
I'm betting David Brock or another Clinton operative is behind that BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #14
Where did that image come from? one_voice Mar 2016 #21
You mean here? It was posted in GD. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #23
yes. thank you. one_voice Mar 2016 #25
Some people are fooled by the 'progressives' part but it's all tea party. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #33
man this is frickin exhausting. restorefreedom Mar 2016 #24
Have you seen the blog they're linking to lately, "Go Blindly"? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #29
those words and thoughts are so vile and screwed up restorefreedom Mar 2016 #62
What disgusting bullsit..they're finding their inner Brock, how charming. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #67
disgusting. The fact that the Nazis murdered many communists and socialists dana_b Mar 2016 #26
The Sanders supporters have been the kings in using Right wing sources and memes IMO. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #28
I call out right wing sources from both sides, too bad you can't do the same. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #31
I apologize for posting all those right wing articles in favor of single payer eridani Apr 2016 #120
People who deny Bernie's LGBT history can fuck right off Prism Mar 2016 #30
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #51
They had to neutralize the issue somehow Prism Mar 2016 #52
Everyone knows the purpose of right-wing memes is to attack Clinton BainsBane Mar 2016 #32
BINGO !!!! That is the honest truth. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #34
A Clinton supporter did bring it here, how do you think I found it, BB? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #35
When you actually find some proof that Bernie opposed marriage equality let me know. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #36
Could you please provide some examples of these blatant fabrications about Clinton Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #80
So this is bad, but when the Sanders Camp uses right-wing sources to push Emailgate, that's ok? Tarc Mar 2016 #38
What is is with HC supporters and strawmen? Do you buy those wholesale? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #39
Still waiting for an explanation on why you can use right-wing sources, but decry others using them? Tarc Mar 2016 #43
Still waiting for you to prove I use right wing sources because that's a lie. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #46
Your token one-liner in one thread is greatly appreciated Tarc Mar 2016 #49
Still waiting for you to back up the lie that I use right wing sources. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #50
It was a collective "you" Tarc Mar 2016 #53
I've been calling out right wing sources longer than you've been posting them. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #54
"Hector Projector" Amaril Mar 2016 #60
Stole it from Will and Grace! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #61
All they have are lies, divisiveness, obfuscation, and rigging the system me b zola Mar 2016 #41
I find this warning pretty rich coming from those that perpetually promote RW talking points Sheepshank Mar 2016 #55
Another lie from a HC supporter, unless you can find one RW talking point I used. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #56
lies lies, the whole world lies about you...you must feel so wounded or noble. I can't tell which nt Sheepshank Mar 2016 #57
No, just a few who don't like it when I call out the bullshit. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #59
ahhh going with the noble angle...patrolling the perimeters, calling out the Dems. Sheepshank Mar 2016 #66
Dems? You spelled trolls wrong. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #68
What a noble warrior you are nt Sheepshank Mar 2016 #71
That's how I know it's working, threads like this are flypaper. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #73
You'd know all about those methods...right. Sheepshank Mar 2016 #86
Better call for more back up, I haven't posted anything alertable yet. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #88
If you know of some lies, get busy. But you don't, and that makes you like the rest. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #69
I think I hear whining Sheepshank Mar 2016 #70
That's feedback, you don't recognize your own voice when that happens beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #72
Omg...it's like when a radio is not quite tuned right. I hear an annoying buzz Sheepshank Mar 2016 #87
Psst! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #89
Figures, that's your mo Sheepshank Mar 2016 #90
Darlin, I've dealt with bullies all my life, you really need to up your game. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #91
Of course I'm surprised that you recognize a bully. Sheepshank Mar 2016 #92
You came into my thread to attack me, called me "sweetie" and *I'm* bullying you? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #93
You are hardly the wounded innocent here on DU Sheepshank Apr 2016 #94
Who's playing the martyr? I'm just recalling what actually happened. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #95
I'm not intimidating you, so there's nothing for you to overcome...what a joke Sheepshank Apr 2016 #96
No but you were trying, you just aren't very good at it beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #97
I hope mind reading and psych evaluations isn't your day job. You're not good at it nt Sheepshank Apr 2016 #121
The greatest lie here is the OP. Your post has been debunked Renew Deal Apr 2016 #99
Already answered: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #104
RW assholes make me sick rbrnmw Mar 2016 #63
Me too. They play both sides against each other. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #64
They need to clean up their own house rbrnmw Mar 2016 #65
RW lies attacking Sanders are verboten. baldguy Mar 2016 #77
... beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #78
Toon is a excellent depiction of your OP. BRAVO! baldguy Mar 2016 #79
Yeah I don't think you quite grok the meaning of the word but you go with that. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #83
Nobody can be holier than the BernieBros, the BoBs, or the Bernietas. baldguy Mar 2016 #84
Again? Now another poor critter has to sleep on the cold hard floor. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #85
I just found two left wing sources that corroborate the image. Where is the fabrication? Renew Deal Apr 2016 #98
Oh come on you know better than that, don't be coy. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #100
It's been established for months. This thread is lame. nt ucrdem Apr 2016 #105
Translation: I can't refute the facts so I'll call this thread lame and pretend I won beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #107
Oh please. He's sour grapes because the HRC endorsed HRC. Here are the facts: ucrdem Apr 2016 #108
The blogger at Slate lied, here is the transcript: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #109
Pro tip: politicians get creative with the truth. nt ucrdem Apr 2016 #110
The truth is right there in black and white, you're the one trying to get creative with it. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #111
Black and white and Bernie. nt ucrdem Apr 2016 #112
Those two sources are both full of it LostOne4Ever Apr 2016 #116
That is some impressive research. Way to go, LO4E!!! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #118
No thank you for standing up against these smears! LostOne4Ever Apr 2016 #119
"it led me to a Twitter feed" = I can't dispute the claim so let's change the subject. nt ucrdem Apr 2016 #101
I'm done wasting time with people who feign ignorance so I'll just leave these here: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #103
I got in an argument one time with a right winger who said the Nazis were PatrickforO Apr 2016 #102
The National Review already tried that last year and got raked over the coals for it: beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #106
Bernie Sander repeatedly risked his entire career standing up for LGBTQ rights LostOne4Ever Apr 2016 #113
Yes he did, there was a backlash for his support. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #114
Here you go LostOne4Ever Apr 2016 #115
Awesome! Thank you! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #117

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
3. I don't want to hear your Hillsplaining, this one is on you guys.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:22 PM
Mar 2016

I call out Bernie supporters who cite right wing sources, can you say the same?

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
11. How is something you introduced, you dug up and you presetned here
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:44 PM
Mar 2016

with your "research" on anyone other than yourself?

I've not seen anyone calling out citations of right wing sources of attacks on Hillary, I've seen lots and lots of reccing and cheering on of such smears, and yes, I personally can indeed say the same AND support that claim, which not many of you Anti-Hillary people can honestly claim.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
19. Is that a fact? Do you always assert if you don't see something it doesn't exist?
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:57 PM
Mar 2016
I've not seen anyone calling out citations of right wing sources of attacks on Hillary


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1615739



I've seen lots and lots of reccing and cheering on of such smears, and yes, I personally can indeed say the same AND support that claim, which not many of you Anti-Hillary people can honestly claim.


Point to where I once ever did anything like that or posted anything "anti-Hillary".

I'll wait for your apology.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
4. Just for the record
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:26 PM
Mar 2016

Nazis pretty much stopped being "socialist" by about 1925. Socialists and Communists were rounded up even before the mass incarceration and extermination of jews.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
7. Thanks, the people who red bait are morons who know nothing about history.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:30 PM
Mar 2016

Nor do they care to learn, it's all a sport to them. Anti-Semitic articles have been posted here and a link to Stormfront was used to associate Bernie with neo-Nazis.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
22. "Nor do they care to learn, it's all a sport to them."
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:02 PM
Mar 2016

This bears repeating.

For all too many it's not about honest engagement, it's about trying to score points.

Then off to the next smear.

Thanks for your pointed counters of this.

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
37. Those people should be called out for public shunning.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:24 PM
Mar 2016

It tends to make them think twice when their names are attached.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
8. There is a passage in "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:36 PM
Mar 2016

that quotes Hitler explaining that the Nazis were not "socialist" in the sense that the primacy of the worker was paramount. He instead invented the term "national socialist" to describe the philosophy of workers who place primacy of the nation-state above all other considerations.

Essentially, he co-opted "socialist" to mean "nationalist."

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
18. yea but I can still feel sad for them.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:56 PM
Mar 2016

Going through life being so scared and hateful is not nice.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
10. So which right wing source was that? I'm just asking given how fond Bernie supporters
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:42 PM
Mar 2016

are of actually sourcing RWingers for their repeated attacks (like Judicial Watch, The Daily Caller etc. just to name a few).

You point to a single person on twitter, and don't refute the actual facts presented and then go off on some tangent about a different person on the feed who posted some nasty picture. I'm not sure if you know how twitter works, but that's not exactly how checking a source works.

Here's a link about Bernie, from a verified source that isn't some guy on twitter and someone in his mentions, which supports the allegation that Bernie did actually do some evolving on the issue.

http://time.com/4089946/bernie-sanders-gay-marriage/

I'm not sure why the need to obfuscate his history, there is nothing shameful about his position, he stood up for gay rights, even if pretty much everyone 10-20 years ago was not as evolved as they are now on the issue of federal support of marriage equality. I also don't know why it was so very difficult to actually do a search on the facts presented rather than do some image search to some random twitter person and then use some other random person on their feed who posted something as a way to discredit something.

Right wing sources are a problem here, they are quite literally the foundation of the Hillary hating brigade and the sole tool used by those that attack her. This is not "right wing" and this is not an "attack" on Bernie, it's a thing that happened, even if it doesn't fit your current narrative of his perfect perfection since he was hatched as the divine Birdie Sanders.

He's human, he's a guy who has a record, who made statements and which were not then or even now anything terrible by the standards of the time, both candidates have an excellent record on gay rights, not perfect by any means, but leaps and bounds over the competition.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
15. Oh give me a break. Let me know when you see us linking to Stormfront
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:51 PM
Mar 2016

or posting an article from a Holocaust denier's website, or accusing Hillary of rape or pedophilia.

And no, Bernie did not oppose marriage equality, the Time article cites a now debunked blogger at Slate.

Unless you have facts to back up your assertions don't bother because I've been posting about this issue for months.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
16. Not complicated at all, Bernie never opposed marriage equality.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:52 PM
Mar 2016

Unless you've got something other than links that cite a lying blogger at Slate don't bother.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
17. I read the 3 articles
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:55 PM
Mar 2016

It's just a little more complicated than it seems, that's all. I would suggest you read the articles (they all say essentially the same thing, they're just a timeline review using actual quotes in context (except the 2nd article isn't that great in this regard)) and comment further.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
20. I read the articles, more than once and they're based on speculation and lies.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:58 PM
Mar 2016

I've been fighting these smears for months so I know what I'm talking about.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
27. I don't personally care much one way or the other as I think he's been way ahead on this issue
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:10 PM
Mar 2016

I just like to have the best information at hand when an issue arises. I assume you've shot down the 2 Pinocchio's that WaPo gave Bernie on this topic?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
42. The WaPo article never said he opposed it and was also based on hearsay.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:36 PM
Mar 2016
The Fact Checker contacted the author of the article, John P. Gregg, but he said he no longer had documentation of the statements that Sanders might have made on the issue.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
44. Ahhh, you're answering the question "did he oppose it"
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:40 PM
Mar 2016

I wasn't even thinking along those lines, these articles simply point out that he wasn't an outspoken proponent of gay marriage.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
45. Oh I can agree with that, it's the lies about his opposing it that I'm trying to counter.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:42 PM
Mar 2016

Like the meme in the op.

Differing opinions are fine but outright lies push my buttons.


 

senz

(11,945 posts)
74. Bernie established his LGBT creds 45 yrs ago.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

For all time.

"Let's abolish all laws dealing with abortion, drugs, sexual behavior (adultery, homosexual behavior, etc.)
-- Final sentence in item #3




Bernie ran for Governor of Vermont in the 1970s.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
76. Nuance is lost on you
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:04 PM
Mar 2016

Tired of you ruining a perfectly satisfying conversation with your obsession to butt in clumsily, with unrelated hyperpartisan crap.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
81. It is appropos to the subject of the thread
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:16 PM
Mar 2016

and there was nothing hyperpartisan about my comment.

Try not to be so easily "ruined."

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
82. It is also five (5) hours after your last comment
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:19 PM
Mar 2016

in the ... perfectly satisfying conversation ...

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
14. I'm betting David Brock or another Clinton operative is behind that
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:50 PM
Mar 2016

Claiming somebody isn't pure enough on same sex marriage isn't a typical line of attack from the right wing. They would be attacking him for being FOR same sex marriage.

And right wingers aren't going to spend their time trying to tear down Bernie because they think the Democratic Party is going to make sure Hillary is the nominee.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
23. You mean here? It was posted in GD.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:03 PM
Mar 2016

There was another meme posted in this forum this morning that came from progressivestoday which is a racist tea party website.

Supporters of both candidates should be careful when they drag stuff o ff the net and post it here. Spreading right wing garbage about either candidate hurts all of us.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
25. yes. thank you.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:07 PM
Mar 2016

I didn't know the origins. I'm not familiar with progressivestoday--I will go research it.

btw-the twitter link was pretty disgusting. I looked through many of their tweets.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
33. Some people are fooled by the 'progressives' part but it's all tea party.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:16 PM
Mar 2016

They publish horribly racist, homophobic, sexist and anti-Semitic articles about liberals.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
24. man this is frickin exhausting.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:06 PM
Mar 2016

no way battling trunp in the ge is going to be this exasperating. dirty, infuriating, yes. but not so damn exasperating.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
29. Have you seen the blog they're linking to lately, "Go Blindly"?
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:13 PM
Mar 2016
https://gobling.wordpress.com/

The woman who owns it is a racist homophobe who uses right wing sources like Project Veritas and Republicans to smear Bernie But because she says she's a "feminist" and a Dem they continue to post her lies here.

Here are some of her tweets:

Would you rather a President who has worked her life for equal rights, or a President who treats women like sex slaves? Reply at ballot box.

https://twitter.com/TAW3343/status/714512922677014529?s=09


Bernie ran as fast as his legs could take him away from the draft, to a kibbutz, where he whiled away talkin Marx w draft dodgers. #Coward"

https://twitter.com/TAW3343/status/707766585436442624


Does anyone think it *odd that all these white boys are soo in love with Bernie? Time to come out of the closet boys!"

https://twitter.com/TAW3343/status/707792527261245440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
62. those words and thoughts are so vile and screwed up
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 05:11 PM
Mar 2016

it shows the increasing desperation and unraveling of the end of a campaign.

some people can lose with dignity, and then......

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
26. disgusting. The fact that the Nazis murdered many communists and socialists
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:09 PM
Mar 2016

has evidently escaped these "brainiacs".

The idea of putting a socialist Jew in a Nazi uniform is so heinous that it's mind boggling.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
31. I call out right wing sources from both sides, too bad you can't do the same.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:14 PM
Mar 2016

Let me know when you start then you can criticize me.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
30. People who deny Bernie's LGBT history can fuck right off
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:14 PM
Mar 2016

Sadly, I've seen LGBT posters here try to twist things about Bernie, just because they cannot answer for Hillary's sacred marriage spiel until 2013.

Whatever. They sleep with themselves. I don't have to.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
52. They had to neutralize the issue somehow
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 04:09 PM
Mar 2016

It was predictable. They seized on the obvious, and now we must endure all this eye rolling in response.

My retinae are killing me.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
32. Everyone knows the purpose of right-wing memes is to attack Clinton
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:16 PM
Mar 2016

So much so that "progressives" have decided that Fox News, the Daily Caller, the Washington Times, the Free Beacon, and virtually every other right wing source is preferable to respected publications like the New York Times and the Washington Post.

The blatant fabrications about Clinton are posted by said "progressives" on a daily basis. And now you're outraged that there exists someone on the internet something that fails to herald Bernie as superior.
How dare they not use their right wing memes to sink the presumptive Democratic nominee and deliver the election to the GOP!


It says something that YOU were the one who had to bring it here rather than a Clinton supporter.

Your information about Sanders on marriage equality is incomplete, to say the least, but that is entirely expected given the source.



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
35. A Clinton supporter did bring it here, how do you think I found it, BB?
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:19 PM
Mar 2016

And let me know when you start calling out right wing smears against Bernie from your associates.

Or when you stop linking to blogs that are owned by homophobic racists.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
36. When you actually find some proof that Bernie opposed marriage equality let me know.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:22 PM
Mar 2016

Because the blog you've been linking to lately is owned by a homophobe.

But then I always consider the source too, lay down with dogs and all that.





 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
80. Could you please provide some examples of these blatant fabrications about Clinton
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:14 PM
Mar 2016

you refer to?

Just to be clear?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
39. What is is with HC supporters and strawmen? Do you buy those wholesale?
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:31 PM
Mar 2016

I do hope you don't pay extra for the bullshit.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
46. Still waiting for you to prove I use right wing sources because that's a lie.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:46 PM
Mar 2016

And here's just one instance where I called out the use of right wing sources.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1615739


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
50. Still waiting for you to back up the lie that I use right wing sources.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:53 PM
Mar 2016

Oh and reading is fundamental, I said "one instance".


Tarc

(10,472 posts)
53. It was a collective "you"
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 04:21 PM
Mar 2016


One time you told a newbie "don't use Free Beacon" doesn't clean your DU record.

I think this person had the right idea this morning;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=87151

Buh-bye.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
54. I've been calling out right wing sources longer than you've been posting them.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 04:24 PM
Mar 2016

Hector Projector.



And thanks for the tip, that op was hidden for some strange reason.


 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
55. I find this warning pretty rich coming from those that perpetually promote RW talking points
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 04:28 PM
Mar 2016

"do as I say, not as I do" is coming home to roost.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
56. Another lie from a HC supporter, unless you can find one RW talking point I used.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 04:31 PM
Mar 2016

But considering the source I won't hold my breath.

Smooch!


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
59. No, just a few who don't like it when I call out the bullshit.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 04:38 PM
Mar 2016

Mostly people who belong to Bill's hate site and their sister site the CCave.They project their own motives onto me but the funny thing is they can never back up their claims.

So I let it roll off my back, when bigots and assholes hate me I know I'm doing something right.


 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
66. ahhh going with the noble angle...patrolling the perimeters, calling out the Dems.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:31 PM
Mar 2016

good job little soldier.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
86. You'd know all about those methods...right.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:27 PM
Mar 2016

everyone has seen it. It's old and worn out. The badgering, the name calling, the persistence. It's a fucking joke, and you perpetuate it frequently.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
69. If you know of some lies, get busy. But you don't, and that makes you like the rest.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:47 PM
Mar 2016

Say shit that you can in no way prove, act like it's true, and move along. Real nice.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
87. Omg...it's like when a radio is not quite tuned right. I hear an annoying buzz
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:29 PM
Mar 2016

And the sounds make no sense...but they persist. Like tininitis.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
90. Figures, that's your mo
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:45 PM
Mar 2016

In your own very special mind, if you have the last word, you honestly believe you have won an argument. It's so very sad really. It's not like I'm the only one that's noticed. I suppose I should let you continue believing that little trite thought...here, go ahead sweetie and reply again, you know you want to. You know it will make you feel like a winner. I may not even respond so you can feel like a winner.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
91. Darlin, I've dealt with bullies all my life, you really need to up your game.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:50 PM
Mar 2016

Seriously if the drill instructors couldn't break me and stalkers couldn't scare me what do you think harrassing me on the internet and calling me 'sweetie' is going to do?

Better luck next time.


 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
92. Of course I'm surprised that you recognize a bully.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:10 PM
Mar 2016

The reality is that persons rarely see themsleves with the same shadow they cast on others. Take this post as notice. I've felt bullied by you and have seen you do it over and over to others..almost on a daily basis.

As mentioned before, your methods are old news, and no longer achieve much

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
93. You came into my thread to attack me, called me "sweetie" and *I'm* bullying you?
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:16 PM
Mar 2016

Nah, what happened is you either thought I would be cowed by your nasty personal attacks and abandon the thread or I would lash out so you could alert.

And you're still at it trying to set me up by complaining about how 'bullied' you are. All you have to do is leave the thread if my smilies and joking are too much for you.

I already told you it's not going to work, you guys have been stalking and harassing me for months and I'm still here laughing at your antics. You really should get a new hobby. I'm not hurting anyone by posting here and I have just as much right to post here as anyone else.

And I thought you said you were done?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
94. You are hardly the wounded innocent here on DU
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:35 AM
Apr 2016

Playing the martyr isn't like you at all. You are much more likely to attack, belittle and call names.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
95. Who's playing the martyr? I'm just recalling what actually happened.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:46 AM
Apr 2016

Not like it's a big secret, most people know about the alert stalking of cali and the rest of us, who was involved and how long it's been going on.

And you want people to believe that I'm bullying you with my cheery snarkiness and smilies, it's absurd. I mean it's not like people can't read the thread.

Like I said, I'm not intimidated, I'm not going anywhere and you're not going to bait me into a hide so you might as well give up.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
97. No but you were trying, you just aren't very good at it
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:52 AM
Apr 2016

You were the one who said you felt like I was bullying you so who's really playing the martyr?

But if you really really feel like I'm bullying you here's a hug:



All better?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
64. Me too. They play both sides against each other.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 05:31 PM
Mar 2016

We know for a fact that right wing trolls from CCave have been here for years stirring up the shit. They are enjoying watching us tear each other apart right now.

As much as I like a good fight about issues and policy I draw the line at bigotry and right wing sources.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
77. RW lies attacking Sanders are verboten.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:05 PM
Mar 2016

But RW attacking Clinton - stale, old, debunked ones especially - are A-OK. Got it.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
78. ...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016



If you guys keep this up you're going to create a worldwide shortage of straw. Think of the animals!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
83. Yeah I don't think you quite grok the meaning of the word but you go with that.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:30 PM
Mar 2016

It's easier than having to face the truth that you guys aren't the holier-than-BernieBros y'all pretend you are.

Glass houses, lay down with dogs, etc.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
84. Nobody can be holier than the BernieBros, the BoBs, or the Bernietas.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:44 PM
Mar 2016

Their shit smells of lavender & roses!

Renew Deal

(81,847 posts)
98. I just found two left wing sources that corroborate the image. Where is the fabrication?
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:01 AM
Apr 2016

"Sanders told the Associated Press that he was “comfortable” with civil unions, not full marriage equality"

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html

1982 "a newly unearthed resolution signed by Bernard Sanders in 1982 affirming marriage is between “husband and wife,”

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/02/06/clinton-surrogates-pounce-on-sanders-over-82-marriage-resolution

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
100. Oh come on you know better than that, don't be coy.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:19 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie never opposed marriage equality, he knew it wouldn't pass so soon after we legalized civil unions so he said we should wait. And he was right.

Here's the transcript to what he said in 2006:

I was a strong supporter of civil unions, I believe that. I voted against the DOMA bill, I believe that the federal government should not be involved in overturning Massachusetts or any other the state because I think the whole issue of marriage is a state issue.


And the other quote 1) was never said by Bernie and 2) had nothing to do with heterosexual marriage, it was a symbolic resolution in support of husband and wife not man and woman. It was found and spun by Hillary supporters and debunked. Same sex marriage wasn't even on the table than.

Taking quotes out of context, attributing to him words he never said and misrepresenting a resolution makes it a fabrication.

And considering it's being posted by supporters of a candidate who was adamantly against marriage equality it's even sleazier to use lies to attack Bernie who never opposed it.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
108. Oh please. He's sour grapes because the HRC endorsed HRC. Here are the facts:
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:44 AM
Apr 2016

Slate, Oct. 15 2105:

"Bernie Sanders Claims He’s a Longtime Champion of Marriage Equality. It’s Just Not True."

And as recently as 2006, Sanders opposed marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont. The senator may have evolved earlier than his primary opponents. But the fact remains that, in the critical early days of the modern marriage equality movement, Sanders was neutral at best and hostile at worst.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html


HufffPo, Jan. 16, 2016:

"Bernie Sanders Claims He’s a Longtime Champion of Marriage Equality. It’s Just Not True."

In 2006, Sanders said he supported civil unions but not same-sex marriage, again deferring to states.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-gay-marriage_us_569fcc4de4b0a7026bf9e06f


He really needs to get over this.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
109. The blogger at Slate lied, here is the transcript:
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:49 AM
Apr 2016
I was a strong supporter of civil unions, I believe that. I voted against the DOMA bill, I believe that the federal government should not be involved in overturning Massachusetts or any other the state because I think the whole issue of marriage is a state issue.


He was referring to the feds wanting to overturn Massachusetts'same sex legislation, he OPPOSED their attempt to do so. His vote against DOMA was his vote to allow states to pass same sex marriage, if he opposed it he would have voted for it.

Debunked.

And the other article doesn't say he opposed marriage equality, read it again.

Find an actual quote where he said he opposed it and. get back to me.

LostOne4Ever

(9,286 posts)
116. Those two sources are both full of it
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:37 AM
Apr 2016

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]This video does a good job of demolishing that article:



But, going back to them image, the LGBTQ community supported civil unions in Vermont...does that mean they were against SSM? Of course not. Civil Unions were a stepping stone and everyone knows that. GLAD even called them a Victory

http://www.glad.org/work/cases/baker/civil-unions

Here is an NPR article detailing the struggle that was had to pass Civil Unions back then.

http://www.npr.org/2013/03/27/174651233/how-vermonts-civil-war-fueled-the-gay-marriage-movement


And the 1982 document was debunked. It was about trying to lower divorce rates and had nothing to do with LGBTQ issues at all. Trying use it to say Sanders opposed Gay marriage is like trying to say the Flinstones Theme song was about being homosexual because it ends with the phrase "we will have a gay ole time."

But beyond that, it ignores Sanders Letter from around the 1970s:



And all he did to get a gay pride day passed in Burlington:

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2015/06/30/32-years-before-scotus-decision-sanders-backed-gay-pride-march









His defense of Gay Soliders in the 1990's:

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/9/9295867/bernie-sanders-gay-soldiers


Risking his political career opposing DOMA:

http://www.advocate.com/election/2015/10/25/bernie-sanders-doesnt-remember-domas-passage-same-way-hillary-clinton

His perfect record on gay rights legislation:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Notebook/Note_06n-HRC.htm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511531610

This man has risked his career time and time again to fight for Gay rights. The fact that on DU, of all places, that people would even attempt to swiftboat him like this is disgusting.

UTTERLY DISGUSTING![/font]

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
103. I'm done wasting time with people who feign ignorance so I'll just leave these here:
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:30 AM
Apr 2016



32 Years Before Marriage Equality, Bernie Sanders Fought For Gay Rights



But these are only very recent developments. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton may be champions of same-sex marriage now, but you don’t have to go far back to find a time when they weren’t. And hey, we’re happy to have their evolved support.

Not only did Sanders vote against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996 which defined marriage as between one man and one woman, signed into law by then-president Bill Clinton — an unpopular position then — a look back at Sanders’ political career shows consistent support of the gay rights movement. Even when it was more than just unpopular, it was downright controversial.

“In our democratic society, it is the responsibility of government to safeguard civil liberties and civil rights — especially the freedom of speech and expression,” Sanders wrote later in a memo. “In a free society, we must all be committed to the mutual respect of each others lifestyle.”

...

“It is my very strong view that a society which proclaims human freedom as its goal, as the United States does, must work unceasingly to end discrimination against all people. I am happy to say that this past year, in Burlington, we have made some important progress by adopting an ordinance which prohibits discrimination in housing. This law will give legal protection not only to welfare recipients, and families with children, the elderly and the handicapped — but to the gay community as well.”

http://www.queerty.com/32-years-before-marriage-equality-bernie-sanders-fought-for-gay-rights-20150719


On LGBT Rights, Bernie Leads and Hillary Follows

Of course, Clinton has since evolved on LGBT rights, as many have. That's wonderful. But the problem is, she only came out in support of marriage equality after it was not politically risky to do so. In fact, by 2013 - the year Clinton announced her full support for marriage equality - Democratic support for same-sex marriage was the norm, not the exception.

On such an important moral issue that affects my life and the lives of thousands of other Americans, making decisions in this manner is rather despicable. Additionally, Clinton's habit of doing what polls deem politically popular is the reason why so many voters find her inauthentic. Now, if Clinton were the only option for the Democratic presidential nomination, I would understand why we should support her despite these flaws.

But she isn't the only option.

Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, the longest-serving Independent in the history of Congress, is also running for the nomination. And unlike Clinton, his record on LGBT rights is historically excellent.

Sanders voted against DOMA, one of the few members of Congress to do so, at a time when such a stance was not politically popular. Four years after DOMA passed, Sanders helped champion Vermont's decision in 2000 to become the first state to legalize same-sex civil unions. This set a national precedent for LGBT equality achieved via legislative means. In 2009, when Vermont became the first state to allow marriage equality through legislative action rather than a court ruling, Sanders expressed his support once again. Truly, Sanders has been a real leader on LGBT rights, even if this leadership isn't recognized in the way that Clinton's current support is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-novak/on-lgbt-rights-bernie-lea_b_7662682.html


Bernie Sanders Was for Full Gay Equality 40 Years Ago

Today’s Supreme Court decision was a monumental moment in American history, as it guaranteed the right for gays and lesbians to get married and established full marriage equality.

Many politicians offered their words of support, including President Obama and Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

Yet it is important to remember that Obama and Clinton both opposed marriage equality as late as early 2012. It is a testament to the work of thousands of activists over decades that the political class was pulled towards supporting equality.

There is however one prominent politician who did not wait so long to call for full gay equality: Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

In a letter he published in the early 1970’s, when he was a candidate for governor of Vermont from the Liberty Union Party, Sanders invoked freedom to call for the abolition of all laws related to homosexuality:




http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/bernie-sanders-was-full-gay-equality-40-years-ago



Sanders: I was ahead of the curve on gay rights

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Saturday he has been waiting for the nation to catch up to his support for same-sex marriage.

Sanders’ remarks come a day after Friday’s landmark 5-4 Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide.

He argued he was well ahead of the historic decision, unlike Hillary Clinton, his main rival for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination.

...

Sanders at the time served in the House of Representatives, which voted 342-67 in favor of DOMA. The Senate voted 85-14 in favor, before former President Bill Clinton signed it into law.

“That was an anti-gay marriage piece of legislation,” he added of the law that defined marriage at the federal level as the coupling of one man and one woman.

Sanders on Saturday praised Americans for creating greater opportunities for same-sex couples. Friday’s Supreme Court ruling, he charged, was not possible without national pressure for gay rights.

“No one here should think for one second this starts with the Supreme Court,” Sanders said.

“It starts at the grassroots level in all 50 states,” he said. “The American people want to end discrimination in all its forms.”


http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/246370-sanders-i-was-ahead-of-the-curve-on-gay-rights


Bernie Sanders was decades ahead of the country on gay rights and ending the war on drugs

Most Americans now support legally allowing gay and lesbian relationships, same-sex marriage, and personal marijuana use after decades of shifting public opinion. But one Democratic candidate for president, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, was calling for many of these changes decades ago.

In a 1972 letter to a local newspaper — which was recently resurfaced by Chelsea Summers at the New Republic — Sanders wrote that he supported abolishing "all laws dealing with abortion, drugs, sexual behavior (adultery, homosexuality, etc.)" as part of his campaign for Vermont governor:

These stances were far removed from public opinion at the time, according to Gallup surveys on marijuana and gay and lesbian rights. In 1972, 81 percent of Americans said marijuana should be illegal — which suggests even more would favor the prohibition of more dangerous drugs like cocaine and heroin. In 1977, the earliest year of polling data, 43 percent of Americans said gay and lesbian relations between consenting adults should not be legal, while 43 percent said they should be legal.


...

But it took decades for the American public to come around to majority support on these issues: It wasn't until 2013 that a majority of Americans supported marijuana legalization, the early 2000s that most consistently responded in favor of legal gay and lesbian relations, and 2011 that a majority first reported backing same-sex marriage rights.

Sanders has carried many of these positions to this day. He was one of the few federal lawmakers to vote against the Defense of Marriage Act, the federal ban on same-sex marriages, in the 1990s. And while he told Time's Jay Newton-Small in March that he has no current stance on marijuana legalization (but backs medical marijuana), he characterized the war on drugs as costly and destructive.

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/7/8905905/sanders-drugs-gay-rights


Bernie Sanders' Views On Gay Marriage Show He's Been A Supporter For A Long Time

Now that he's officially announced he will seek the Democratic nomination for president and challenge Hillary Clinton, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders will be talking about his positions on major issues on the campaign trail, and one very big issue he has championed for years is gay marriage. Sanders, unlike some of his potential Republican opponents, seems like he would not turn down an invitation to a gay wedding (and he might actually get invited to one).

In 1996, then-Representative Sanders voted against the Defense of Marriage Act, which barred recognition of gay marriage at the federal level (DOMA was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 2013). Sanders' and his home state of Vermont were the first to legalize same-sex unions in 2000, at first recognizing them as civil unions. Gay marriage has been legal in Vermont since 2009, and as The New York Times reported, Vermont was the first state to pass legislation in support of same-sex marriage, rather than in reaction to a court ruling.

On Tuesday, as the Supreme Court took up the issue of gay marriage, Sanders issued a statement on his website reaffirming his support, saying gay Americans in every state should be allowed to marry.

Of course all citizens deserve equal rights. It’s time for the Supreme Court to catch up to the American people and legalize gay marriage.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/79951-bernie-sanders-views-on-gay-marriage-show-hes-been-a-supporter-for-a-long-time


Is Bernie Sanders the Most LGBT-Friendly Candidate?

Bernie Sanders, the longest-serving independent member of Congress, is officially seeking the Democratic nomination for president in 2016, the Vermont senator announced in an email to supporters this morning.

"People should not underestimate me," Sanders told the Associated Press in an interview that broke the news of his candidacy Wednesday night. "I've run outside of the two-party system, defeating Democrats and Republicans, taking on big-money candidates and, you know, I think the message that has resonated in Vermont is a message that can resonate all over this country."

The self-described "Democratic socialist" wants to challenge the business-as-usual trend of big money in politics that he says dominates the current candidates — including Hillary Clinton.

The thrust of Sanders's campaign thus far — like his political career as the mayor of Burlington, Vt., 16 years in the U.S. House of Representatives, and the past seven in the U.S. Senate — has focused on supporting working-class Americans through elevated taxes on the wealthy and correcting income inequality "which is now reaching obscene levels," he told the AP.

But Sanders has also been a steadfast and reliable supporter of LGBT equality, supporting the Employment Non-Discrimination Act when it passed the Senate in 2013 and even calling on President Obama to evolve already and support marriage equality in 2011. He's a cosponsor of the federal LGBT-inclusive Student Non-Discrimination Act and has consistently voted against bills seeking to amend the Constitution to ban same-sex marriage, while cosponsoring a bill that would repeal the remaining portions of the so-called Defense of Marriage Act. Sanders has a perfect score of 100 percent on the Human Rights Campaign's latest Congressional Equality Index.

http://www.advocate.com/politics/election/2015/04/30/bernie-sanders-most-lgbt-friendly-candidate

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
102. I got in an argument one time with a right winger who said the Nazis were
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:25 AM
Apr 2016

socialists. Now, I spent the entire last year of my undergraduate education studying the 20th century with special emphasis on the social and economic consequences of the first world war and the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler was not a socialist, and after he took over the party, he quietly got rid of the socialists. The reason? He wanted to rearm and start a war of revenge against France and England. To do this he needed the support of the German industrialists and military aristocracy.

So the Nazis weren't socialists.

(sigh)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
106. The National Review already tried that last year and got raked over the coals for it:
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:38 AM
Apr 2016
Bernie Sanders A Nazi? Conservative Magazine Reporter Under Fire For Calling 2016 Candidate A National Socialist

And yeah, arguing with right wingers is futile, either they're too stupid to learn the difference or they are lying in order to smear Bernie.

LostOne4Ever

(9,286 posts)
113. Bernie Sander repeatedly risked his entire career standing up for LGBTQ rights
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:01 AM
Apr 2016

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]The people perpetrating these RW lies epitomize everything wrong with politics.[/font]

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
114. Yes he did, there was a backlash for his support.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:03 AM
Apr 2016

Do you still have that article that debunked the marriage resolution nonsense? I couldn't find it.


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