2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo the crooked Hillary Campaign has kept Bernie off the DC ballot....
Nobody should be surprised, this is how a campaign that loses on the issues wins an election.
Nobody should be surprised that even though her registration was just as late as Sanders, and submitted late by the same party, that Hillary isn't calling for Bernie to be included on the ballot.
What people should be surprised about that this is apparently going to be allowed to happen. Just yesterday, DC officals were saying this would not be a big deal, they could have a vote and chaulk it up to a clerical error. Today it seems like this is a done deal that Bernie will not be included.
This is your Democratic party under the Clintons. Are you proud of it? Does it make you feel like you're supporting something good?
TrueDemVA
(250 posts)We need to stop letting them get away with stealing our rights
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)working so hard for hopes of a better future.
Absolutely horrible.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Just like Hillary
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Debbie and Hillary and whoever the fuck is in DC are ALL dirtbag slimeballs! Hillary Cannot win fair and square... Might just hurt her in NEW YORK, Wyoming, Wisconsin,... Ya Think CALIFORNIA Oregon?
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Ramping up the nastiness will only alienate more voters. Sure, it might make you feel better in the short term, but you'll be sad if your candidate loses to Trump.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Up is down for some of you folks.
Unless your agenda is other than stated, then it makes more sense.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)You can make any point you want and keep a civil tone.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)The ridiculous fantasy that Hillary had anything to do with this? Here I am - telling you this is bullshit charge but what has come to be expected from the Bernie supporters. Happy now?
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I guess if you call laughing uncontrollably angry, sure, I'm angry. Where's your proof Hillary had anything to do with DC. We're waiting.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They sound educated.
artislife
(9,497 posts)So if is true both candidates were late but only one is on the ballot, is that cool with you?
Is this like the gloating of the repressive laws in Wisconsin that hurts many, but especially college students...so it is cool?
Man, the big news is that the Democratic party is in self destruct mode.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I NEVER said it was okay - and for the record - neither has the Clinton campaign. The OP is blaming Hillary and I asked for proof - do YOU have any?
artislife
(9,497 posts)Your response doesn't mention that both candidates had the same error.
So your LACK of words on the main point of this OP is called OMISSION. Or DIVERSION.
I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
You are being squirrelly.
It is the DNC who is creating separate but equal type of behavior towards the candidates.
And WHY is that?
There you go.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I have no idea what happened. The OP called Clinton crooked and implied it was her fault. Neither of you has come up with any proof. Now you just want to change the subject as is pathetically predictable. WHERE IS THE PROOF?
artislife
(9,497 posts)It is supporters like you that mimic the dodge tactics of their candidate.
Good luck having unity.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)OP made a claim and has been asked over and over to serve up the proof - they got NOTHING. And then you accuse me of dodging - do you even hear yourself? I'm voting for whoever had the D behind their name. It's the Bernie supporters ONLY that are saying otherwise. I haven't seen even 1 Hillary supporter claim they wont vote for Bernie and yet here you are, whining about unity. Spare me the bullshit.
artislife
(9,497 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)who filed the challenge. the challenge was filed March 24 by Robert Brannum, a teacher and former president of the D.C. Federation of Civic Associations.
But he is the only one responsible for this. Not the rest of her supporters, or her campaign.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)to do the bidding of the SIC... Scum In Charge!
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)you are just making yourself look bad.
Did he know the system better than most people, or did someone clue him in about it? I think we will never know. His timing was perfect though. It does look suspicious. But suspicion alone is not enough to convict anyone.
KelleyD
(277 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Buzz cook
(2,471 posts)nt
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Buzz cook
(2,471 posts)nt
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)But D.C. Democrats did not email the candidates' registration information to the D.C. Board of Elections until a day after the registration deadline of March 16, News4's Tom Sherwood was first to report on Twitter.
A Democratic voter in D.C. filed a challenge against the Sanders campaign's registration. No complaint was filed against Clinton's registration.
What I want to know is why all the irregularities that have occurred this primary season favor Hillary but hurt Bernie?
FarPoint
(12,344 posts)More misleading trash talk...If anything, it would be a local issue at best. Hillary Clinton is only just one of the Candidates.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Clinton supporters are emotional loyalists. What can you do in the face such emotion? Keep throwing facts at them and hope some stick.
Buzz cook
(2,471 posts)But if as you say Hillary is smart and powerful enough to get Sanders kicked off a ballot, without leaving a trace, then that makes her a better choice for chief executive. Because magic is a powerful tool.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)One of her supporters challenged Bernie for late registration. Both registrations were late, the time to challenge Hillary has passed, but the Bernie challenge will stand. Again, even though there information was submitted by the SAME people at the SAME time.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)people should kick up a Yuge fuss.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)You mean one of the tens of millions that have already voted for her obviously knew her well enough to have Hillary get them to do this without leaving any fingerprints? I swear the Bernie supporters get more desperate and venal every single fucking day. You do your candidate no good whatsoever.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Second, yes, this was a Hillary activist behind this: https://twitter.com/robert158
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)a supporter an activist and how does this translate into Hillary being responsible which is EXACTLY what the OP says.
Buzz cook
(2,471 posts)A link to twitter if anything is anti-evidence.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)hillary supporter, in is own words, is 'anti'evidence'. What the fuck does that even mean? Were you looking for the actual term, 'counter evidence'? Even then...
PFunk1
(185 posts)That is from what I've read this morning is correct-but I could be wrong.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Mail Message
On Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:56 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
So the crooked Hillary Campaign has kept Bernie off the DC ballot....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511619680
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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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Comments are freebase garbage accusations against the HRC campaign. Crooked us a word with a legal meaning.
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Explanation: Hillary, is that you? Argue the points, don't just censor posts that you don't like.
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Explanation: Google is my friend: he's back on the ballot. You're entitled to your opinion, not your facts.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/274752-dc-party-chair-sanders-will-appear-on-ballot
March 30, 2016, 08:31 pm
DC party chair: Sanders will appear on ballot
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)The ballot.
This is more crap like the indictment. From
People who pretend integrity means everything to them. This is bullshit.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)There would be a lot more stuff hidden, if it was.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Like the RW sources, much bullshit is allowed- even celebrated here.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)old DU system, i.e. mods.
I actually think it would be worse.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)The mods would have to suck pretty bad if they were worse. But then again they are happy to leave up the RW OPs and debunked stuff. I guess it's good they are not judging posts too.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)"Crooked us a word with a legal meaning."
desmiller
(747 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Maybe my Cracker Jack super decoder ring can tell me what it means.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Maybe if I watch enough L&O episodes I can figure it out.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)I know I'm having a lot of trouble lately. I don't know exactly why completely wrong, unintended words are slipping through the writing process lately but it's driving me nuts.
msongs
(67,395 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)And I'm sure the ballot issue will be sorted out, if it isn't already.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)riversedge
(70,195 posts)saying .."Corrupt, dirty and undemocratic as it gets".
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)I know some people look for reasons to be the victim. That's why they only post half the story.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/no-bernie-sanders-was-not-kicked-off-the-dc-ballot/2016/03/30/53be925c-f6c6-11e5-8b23-538270a1ca31_story.html
riversedge
(70,195 posts)Hillary corrupt and.......add any nasty word here. ?? that article was very informative. Thank you.
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)None of them objective
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)The DC democratic party is going to fix this. They will be filing a rule change probably on Tuesday for a 24 hour grace period after checks are mailed to the elections office, instead of just a two hour grace period.
They basically have been doing it this way for a long time, but no one has ever used the opportunity to challenge someone before.
riversedge
(70,195 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)Until the admins put a stop to it, this won't end.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)DC is heavily African-American, Clinton is expected to carry 70-75% of the vote there, which is only 20 delegates? Why on earth would her campaign try to "rob" Sanders in a low-delegate primary she is expected to cruise in?
riversedge
(70,195 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)riversedge
(70,195 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)riversedge
(70,195 posts)Then you hit on the "Clinton's". Why did you include them when you included article downstream that clearly point out it was some DC Voter that raised the objection--for Sanders(not Hillary). Both candidates had their paperwork turned in the next day (a day late). Both Candidates had the required paperwork-criteria.
Yet you hit on Hillary campaign and the "Clinton's" in your OP. That is shameful.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Bernie IS going to be on the ballot and the Clinton's had NOTHING to do with the fuck up. Is that clear enough for you? Sick of this shit and you do your candidate no good whatsoever. Pathetic.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Though their paper work was put in at the same time.
https://twitter.com/robert158
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)You can't take yes for an answer. Per Washington Post, Bernie will be on the ballot. Of course, Hillary is so powerful, she can do anything and poor Bernie is so helpless he can't even get on a ballot.
Here's the link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/no-bernie-sanders-was-not-kicked-off-the-dc-ballot/2016/03/30/53be925c-f6c6-11e5-8b23-538270a1ca31_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_take-656pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
Here's the headline
Washington Post: Bernie will be on the ballot.
Try a new attack on Hillary; this one was quite the fail.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)....rectify this is complicated, PER THE ARTICLE YOU POSTED.
You can also read this article that shows that the party voted tonight to NOT allow him on the ballot.
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/DC-to-Hold-Emergency-Vote-to-Get-Bernie-Sanders-on-Democratic-Primary-Ballot-374160651.html
Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)Shameful and baseless attack against a prominent Democratic official.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)The one who submitted both Hillary's and Bernie's information at the same time, a day late, or the member of the DC party who allowed this to currently stand? What are you talking about?
riversedge
(70,195 posts)was only following the rules. The mystery is this DC voter.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)RandySF
(58,776 posts)brooklynite
(94,503 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)this. Just don't act like its a conspiracy when they're caught. It was a clinton activist who filed the complaint.
https://twitter.com/robert158
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)So far there has been no evidence to support this accusation. As I said in another thread, DC has such a small amount of delegates that it would make no sense for anyone to pull a stunt like this.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)1. Bernie will be on the DC ballot
2. Clinton had no role in the ballot snafu
The Tea Left is temperamentally no different than their counterparts on the right.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)and according to the washington post, the process to get him on the ballot will be complicated.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)It should have never even got to this point. I think you know that as well
pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)...so why is the charge you attached only against Bernie?
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)one somehow in the know about the party's late filing, raised an objection to Sanders' name - and only Sanders' name.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Assuming he gets back on, how much money will the taxpayers have to forgo for special board elections, drawing up legislation, legal defense, Tex. All because The DC DNC screwed up and some Clinton lackey decided to be a smartass? If the deadline issue was a real issue to him, he would have worked outside of the season to have it corrected. This screams of set up. And no matter of it was real or by association, Clinton looks guilty.
Clinton and her gang don't know what guilt is
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Here are some facts for the Sanders supporters to ignore http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/politics/bernie-sanders-dc-ballot/index.html?eref=rss_politics
"An administrative error should not keep a candidate off the ballot. Let's get @BernieSanders on the ballot in DC," Podesta tweeted.
John Podesta ✔ ?@johnpodesta
An administrative error should not keep a candidate off the ballot. Let's get @BernieSanders on the ballot in DC.
12:21 PM - 31 Mar 2016
244 244 Retweets 342 342 likes
The facts have been out there for days, yet too many people on this board seem determined to ignore them. Folks, please get a grip.
mariawr
(348 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Is creating a generation of idiots.
MBS
(9,688 posts)It's going to be OK.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/no-bernie-sanders-was-not-kicked-off-the-dc-ballot/2016/03/30/53be925c-f6c6-11e5-8b23-538270a1ca31_story.html
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/DC-to-Hold-Emergency-Vote-to-Get-Bernie-Sanders-on-Democratic-Primary-Ballot-374160651.html
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/is-bernie-sanders-on-dc-ballot-221431
http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/dc/bernie-sanders-will-appear-on-dc-ballot-despite-mix-up/113073707
This board is becoming unhinged.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)pressed to disallow the entire DC delegation. Who wants that?
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)I'd hate to think he's not as smart as you were...
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Works just as well as the going to war version of this game.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)NowSam
(1,252 posts)and win without DC.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Anita Bonds, chairwoman of the Washington, D.C. Democratic Party, said Wednesday she was confident presidential candidate Bernie Sanders would appear on the primary ballot, despite a challenge filed with the city's Board of Elections.
"Bernie will be on the ballot," Bonds told CNN.
Bonds said, the party's deadline is a few hours after the Board of Elections closes, so her staff typically delivers the filings the next day.
"This has been kind of a tradition in the District of Columbia, that the party would notify the board the following day," Bonds said.
The only thing that changed this time, she said, was someone challenged Sanders.
Bonds, who also serves on the D.C. City Council, said she would submit a "clarification" in the city rules that would allow a 24-hour grace period after the filing deadline, putting Sanders on the ballot.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/politics/bernie-sanders-dc-ballot/index.html
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Based on the conspiracy theories flying around about Hillary's personal hand in this fiasco, it would appear that rain would be Hillarys fault too. Proof be damned. It's more important to promote a victim narrative rather than reality based discussion.
Joob
(1,065 posts)but they didn't do the paperwork until a day later or something
Beacool
(30,247 posts)An administrative error should not keep a candidate off the ballot, John Podesta tweets. Lets get @BernieSanders on the ballot in DC.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-03-31/clinton-campaign-chairman-says-sanders-should-be-on-d-c-ballot
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)BainsBane
(53,031 posts)An earthquake in Azerbaijan, and it's Hillary's fault. A clerical error in DC, she's at it again. She's also the one that forced Adam to take a bite of that apple. And you know it was Hillary on the grassy knoll. It's a wonder she has time to sleep what with all her evil doing.
Just one question? Is there anything bad that happens in the universe that isn't Hillary Clinton's fault? If she really is so omnipotent, why would anyone even bother trying to defeat her?
I suppose it's pointless to ask for anything concerning evidence. You saw a post on Twitter. Something bad happened and why bother with any evidence connecting it to Clinton? Everything bad is her fault, starting with the fall itself.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Both Bernie and Hillary turned their paperwork into the DC Democratic Party on time and with the correct funds included
The Democratic Party turned both sets of paperwork in a day late
A Hillary supporter challenged Bernie's (and only Bernie) inclusion on the ballot because of the late filing
And here we are. The time has passed to challenge Hillary's status.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)So I hope those in, or near D.C. can attend.
chillfactor
(7,574 posts)the DC ballot is controlled by DC not Hillary....you bernie supporters are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel with these fabricated attacks...
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Both Bernie and Hillary turned their paperwork into the DC Democratic Party on time and with the correct funds included
The Democratic Party turned both sets of paperwork in a day late
A Hillary supporter challenged Bernie's (and only Bernie) inclusion on the ballot because of the late filing
And here we are. The time has passed to challenge Hillary's status.
Zira
(1,054 posts)Because that's what we keep seeing, election fraud.