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Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:43 PM

I keep asking how Bernie can get things done

I keep hearing how "he can work across the isle like he has done for years". Yet that might not really be the case.

http://time.com/4250238/bernie-sanders-ted-cruz-partisan-senators/

According to the 2015 Bipartisan Index

Two 2016 presidential hopefuls are also the top two most partisan people in the Senate, according to new data.

The Lugar Center and Georgetown University’s McCourt School of Public Policy published their 2015 Bipartisan Index on Monday, which measures how often each member of Congress co-sponsored a bill introduced by someone from their opposing party or attracted co-sponsors for their own bills from the opposite party. By this standard, in 2015, Bernie Sanders ranked as the most partisan person on the Senate side, and Ted Cruz ranked as the second-most partisan. Though Sanders is an Independent in the Senate, he was counted as a Democrat


So tell me again how he can work across the isle, and don't give the the old "well what about Hillary crap, this is about Bernie.

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Reply I keep asking how Bernie can get things done (Original post)
Andy823 Apr 2016 OP
Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #1
bettyellen Apr 2016 #14
revbones Apr 2016 #2
Andy823 Apr 2016 #5
revbones Apr 2016 #7
Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2016 #16
TheDormouse Apr 2016 #24
LostOne4Ever Apr 2016 #3
Andy823 Apr 2016 #6
LostOne4Ever Apr 2016 #13
snowy owl Apr 2016 #4
Lucinda Apr 2016 #9
snowy owl Apr 2016 #17
Lucinda Apr 2016 #34
snowy owl Apr 2016 #41
Lucinda Apr 2016 #42
snowy owl Apr 2016 #43
FloridaBlues Apr 2016 #36
Lucinda Apr 2016 #37
timmymoff Apr 2016 #38
Stallion Apr 2016 #8
cosmicone Apr 2016 #10
beedle Apr 2016 #32
cosmicone Apr 2016 #33
99th_Monkey Apr 2016 #11
JCanete Apr 2016 #12
Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #15
Hortensis Apr 2016 #18
politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2016 #19
TheDormouse Apr 2016 #20
catnhatnh Apr 2016 #21
catnhatnh Apr 2016 #22
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #23
catnhatnh Apr 2016 #25
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #27
catnhatnh Apr 2016 #29
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #30
Roland99 Apr 2016 #26
Vinca Apr 2016 #28
djean111 Apr 2016 #31
libtodeath Apr 2016 #35
Trajan Apr 2016 #39
Ron Green Apr 2016 #40

Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:46 PM

1. Clinton doesn't have to worry about getting anything done.

 

She's not proposing doing anything. Easy-peasy.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:55 PM

14. Like she hasn't done anything- except bad- for reproductive rights....

 

Reading shit like that here makes me wonder how stupid or lazy one needs to be to just repeat that.

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:47 PM

2. So by using that scale of partisanship and your logic

 

you're saying republicans can't get anything done either right? No need to worry if Hillary is the nominee and loses because a partisan republican will win and not be able to do anything right?

Sheesh.

There are many examples hence the "amendment king" label of Bernie getting things done. He also got through the Veterans Access Choice and Accountability Act with John McCain - by working across the aisle as you put it...


Facts are tricksy business eh?

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Response to revbones (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:55 PM

5. What I am saying is

He, Bernie Sanders, does not like to compromise with the other side, yet I keep hearing how he CAN get things done because he has a record of working with republicans. If you read the article I doesn't really look like he has done much of working with the other side. It's not very good to be one the same level as Ted Cruz when it comes to working with others.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:57 PM

7. Seems to have gotten a lot accomplished despite the false narrative in your OP

 

I think you're citing partisanship and comparing that with accomplishments.

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Response to revbones (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:22 PM

16. If the Democrats controlled the House and the Senate, that would be true. N.T.

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:48 PM

3. The same exact way everyone else does

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]By talking to the other side, finding areas of agreement, and making bills based upon that agreement.

How often or how successful he will be on it will depend entirely on the Republican party...same as Hillary.[/font]

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:56 PM

6. Did you read the article?

Bernie doesn't seem to like to work with others very much, others being the other side.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:51 PM

13. You asked how he could get things done. I answered

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]That said, odds of him accomplishing that are the same as Hillary no matter how "partisan" either of them may be.

So I don't see what the point you are trying to make.

The Republican congress will be obstructionist to both of them. Hillary or Bernie, so long as the Republicans remain controlled by the tea party and so long as they have control of any part of government....nothing will get done. The Republicans, as they are now, literally want it that way.

When that changes, then we can talk about if one candidate or the other is too partisan to get any legistlation passed. But right now, they are in the same exact boat and if neither candidate can get anything done, then I want the candidate who will actually fight for the things I believe in and try and change the publics mind.

That way at least, we can either get some of those republicans out of office or we can get more dems in office and set up an environment where the congress wants to do...anything.

And the problem with the article you are using is that a person who opposes everything their party stands for will have an ungodly high score, and those who actually support the platform of their party and fights for it will have a low score. Check out the lifetime Scores of Obama, Warren, Boxer, Kennedy or any party hero.

http://www.thelugarcenter.org/ourwork-Bipartisan-Index.html

All negative and all in the bottom half of that index. Even Russ Feingold, famed for working with Republicans like John McCain has a negative score and are in the bottom half of the list. Hillary has a negative score and is on the bottom half of the list as well.

Now check out Zell (voted for Bush) Miller. He is number 7 on the list.[/font]

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:52 PM

4. Bernie Sanders Scored Victories for Years via Legislative Side Doors NYTimes

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Response to snowy owl (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:11 PM

9. That is not leadership.

Last year not one single thing he proposed had bi-partisan support. None.
The two prior years, less than 10 percent of his proposals had bi-partisan support.
Those are not the actions of someone who can work with congress to get his agenda accomplished.

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:39 PM

17. And over the last six years how's Obama done? What did H accomplish as Senator? Facts, please.

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Response to snowy owl (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:03 PM

34. Seriously? You haven't researched the records of the candidates yourself?

Wow. That's surprising.

Anyway, you can look through these at vote smart. I'm not sure what page you'll find Senate career specific material starting...there is a ton of information here though. There are endorsements, speech transcripts, interviews, vote information etc.

Vote Smart Career in Detail

This is legislative specific and if you click on each one you can get further info including linked speeches etc:
Legislation Sponsored & Co-Sponsored

This article is a mixed piece covering her early days through state and gives some answers to the question Fiorina posed about her experience:

What Is Hillary’s Greatest Accomplishment?

And this also has a nice overview:
ATTACK: RIGHT WING IGNORES HILLARY CLINTON’S ACHIEVEMENTS AS SENATOR

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:17 PM

41. smoke and mirrors

"instrumental in helping to secure...
"inspirational in..."
"worked night and day to protect..."
"led the charge..." - I thought Lily Ledbetter was Obama's achievement?

"speech"
"role in killing..." - what was it?
"role in climate change..." - again, what was it. Few people see any progress at all in climate change - BIG DISAPPOINTMENT
"...fought to pass..." but didn't pass
"...worked in the Senate to strengthen..." Did it pass?

"...powerful advocate for women...
"... was one of the original cosponsors..." Did it pass?
"...a strong defender..."

lots of rhetoric under secy of state mantel but no achievements listed

Kudos for drug labeling act for children but I'll stick with Bernie's VICTORIES!

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Response to snowy owl (Reply #41)

Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:20 PM

42. LOL

Clearly you haven't researched his record either.

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #42)

Sat Apr 2, 2016, 02:23 PM

43. It would look like your research on H, wouldn't it?

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:14 PM

36. Not one Senator is standing with him, that should say it all

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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #36)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:15 PM

37. Yep. n/t

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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #36)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:22 PM

38. Says the corporate dems stick together

 

and are part of the problem, but we agree on this I am sure.

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:08 PM

8. Trump, Cruz and Sanders ALL Would be the Most Isolated Presidents in Modern History

rivaling only Jimmy Carter-who was a complete outsider. None of them could get a damn thing done. This is a historic group of BAD IDEAS for governing this country. Bernie wouldn't even be able to get the Democratic delegation behind most every thing he spouts out of his mouth. He's not a Democrat

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:20 PM

10. No senator has endorsed Bernie

 

That is proof enough that they KNOW he can't get diddly done.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:47 PM

32. or it could also be proof

 

that they all are comfy doing nothing except scoring points towards their high paying lobby positions when they finally decide to 'retire' ... know any destitute retired senators?

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Response to beedle (Reply #32)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:02 PM

33. All 99 of them? LMAO

 

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:23 PM

11. Ironic how an Independent is being accused of being "too partisan"

 

in one breath; then is accused of not being a "loyal" enough Democrat in the next breath.

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:49 PM

12. The Obama administration did everything possible

 

to court Republicans to support very watered down democratic measures, and recently, putting forward a fairly conservative Supreme Court Justice.

The only thing these concessions have really accomplished is a better favorability rating for him, and a really shitty one for congress. That's better than nothing, but it's not much. I don't fault his reasoning, even if I think he tried to give too much away. I think that his administration thought that they'd be able to pull a republican here and there by being all too reasonable, not to mention keep the big money from going all in to derail his Presidency.

Three factors made all that worthless. The astro-turfing and subsequent takeover by the tea-party, the gerrymandered redistricting that made Republican seats bullet proof to GE contests(but not to primaries), and in most cases no incentive for republicans to compromise on legislation when their corporate masters were doing just fine with a grid-lock that maintained the status quo.

I'm surprised that anybody actually thinks that Bernie can do better. Frankly, Bernie will do far worse, because half of the Democratic party will be counted among the obstructionists. We see it here with people who aren't even being lobbied the way our Democratic representatives are. Enough people here on Democratic Underground don't want any change, and that's the population the DNC will count on when they stand in the way of good legislation.

But what Bernie has that few other politicians in Washington can claim, is a record pristine enough to call out his colleagues who are bought and paid for...in a nice way. What he has, especially if he can get into the GE, is coat-tails, and a message that enough people can get behind. If he gets the nomination, that energy can be channeled into down-ticket races, and into shaping the future of public service. It will change the way the public thinks about what a politician can and should sound like and it will hopefully, be a catalyst for future action.

Will Bernie be able to get things done as President? Not bloody likely, and I have my money on both parties working hard to make sure his first term looks like an utter failure. Hillary on the other hand, is more likely to get things done. Personally, that scares me about her, not to mention the legislation I expect her to champion.




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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:02 PM

15. Work? Yes. Collaborate? No.

 

Unlike the other candidate. See IWR vote for example.

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:02 PM

18. Cruz is 2nd-most partisan senator AFTER Bernie?

Well, they did count Sanders as a Democrat. It sounds as if the result might be different if they put him in a category off to the left all by himself.

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:15 PM

19. I've wondered the same thing. For someone who's been in Congress for 25 years, the best

he can come up with is that he co-sponsored a bill for aid to Veterans with John McCain. I've heard him repeat this claim many times before I could not longer listen to his repetitive stump speech. I conclude that if you can't get a bipartisian bill passed with the "Lapel Flag wearing, We Support the Troops claiming members of the GOP" than you are not good for anything. Bernie brags about this accomplishment all the time. However, he's been in Congress for 25 years drawing a salary of $175,000 for 3 days worth of work, if that, when they and not in extended recess.

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:21 PM

21. Well bless your heart...

From your clip..."Though Sanders is an Independent in the Senate, he was counted as a Democrat"-so by changing the facts they could fail to recognize that every one of the 206 bills he sponsored or co-sponsored was bipartisan. Here-check the actual record:
https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?q=%7B%22bill-status%22%3A%22law%22%7D

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Response to catnhatnh (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:23 PM

22. I could have run up the score

But these 206 are the bills that he sponsored or co-sponsored which were signed into law...

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Response to catnhatnh (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:24 PM

23. 206 bills? How could the op have missed that?

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #23)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:34 PM

25. I'm amazed too...

All I typed into google was "Bernie Sanders bills sponsored or co-sponsored" and the truth was all there....It also makes those posts about how all he did was name a few post offices look pretty shitty...

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Response to catnhatnh (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:35 PM

27. I've posted a link to that info many times, they always ignore it for some reason.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:39 PM

29. Honest mistake I'm sure...n/t

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Response to catnhatnh (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:40 PM

30. Oh most certainly, no one would be that disingenuous.

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:35 PM

26. Another Goldwater Girl BS post

*sigh*

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:38 PM

28. Why do you keep asking the question?

He would get things done in the same way Hillary would get things done. Wait . . . correction . . . he wouldn't sign every Republican bill that turned up on the desk into law.

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:41 PM

31. I shudder to think what Hillary would get done, with the willing assistance of the GOP.

 

Third Way neocon stuff. No thank you.

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:06 PM

35. Hillary thinks we get to single payer by having 31 repuke governors enact it.

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:46 PM

39. I'm not going to give you any crap, Andy ...

 

But ... You are fading ... Fading .... Slowly fading from view ...

Oh Hell ... You are gone!

See? No crap ... Bye

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Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 07:57 PM

40. A President doesn't need to work across the "isle."

He works across the entire mainland. And the people must respond - that's how things change.

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