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Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:05 PM

 

100,000 reached to petition the WH for an AZ revote!

Last edited Sat Apr 2, 2016, 07:00 PM - Edit history (6)

We can do this by tonight!
Edit: 1,200 signatures since posted.
Edit 2: 928 left
Edit 3: 561
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/do-revote-arizona-primary-due-voter-suppression

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Reply 100,000 reached to petition the WH for an AZ revote! (Original post)
pantsonfire Apr 2016 OP
Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #1
pantsonfire Apr 2016 #2
Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #4
pantsonfire Apr 2016 #9
Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #12
pantsonfire Apr 2016 #16
Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #19
pantsonfire Apr 2016 #28
Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #32
pantsonfire Apr 2016 #33
Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #34
pantsonfire Apr 2016 #36
TheDormouse Apr 2016 #30
brooklynite Apr 2016 #21
pantsonfire Apr 2016 #23
brooklynite Apr 2016 #18
pantsonfire Apr 2016 #25
Recursion Apr 2016 #3
Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #6
Recursion Apr 2016 #8
Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #10
Recursion Apr 2016 #11
Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #14
Recursion Apr 2016 #15
pantsonfire Apr 2016 #17
Recursion Apr 2016 #22
pantsonfire Apr 2016 #24
pantsonfire Apr 2016 #39
reformist2 Apr 2016 #26
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #5
LexVegas Apr 2016 #7
Ken Burch Apr 2016 #13
pantsonfire Apr 2016 #20
snowy owl Apr 2016 #35
Trenzalore Apr 2016 #27
pantsonfire Apr 2016 #29
TheDormouse Apr 2016 #31
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #37
Tarc Apr 2016 #38

Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:47 PM

1. The federal government has no Constitutional authority

To do that.
Only the Arizona State government has that power to deal with its election.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:49 PM

2. It's something, what do you propose? n/t

 

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Response to pantsonfire (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:54 PM

4. Petition the Arizona State Legislature.

Only they have the constitutional authority. I doubt, however,thst they have the legal authority to nullify an election.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:02 PM

9. Here's one...

 

https://www.change.org/p/michele-reagan-revote-arizona-primary-due-to-voter-suppression

The president has powerful influence on every state, if enough people continually protest and pressure his administration as well as the Arizona legislature, something will be done. If not for the primary, certainly there will be changes for the GE.....60 polling stations? For a population of 4 million in Maricopa county....that works to the advantage of Republicans in November, no way that is going to stand.

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Response to pantsonfire (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:05 PM

12. Asking the President to violate the Constitution is ridiculous.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:12 PM

16. Violate the constitution? n/t

 

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Response to pantsonfire (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:15 PM

19. The power to control elections are given to the states.

It is in the Constitution.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:34 PM

28. "We ask for a revote...."

 

He can make some phone-calls to say the head of the DOJ Loretta Lynch who's petitioned to investigate the allegations. The Maricopa County, Phoenix major called on the DOJ to investigate as well. "Loretta there's a lot of pressure regarding the Arizona primary where does your investigation stand on the issue? We have concluded there is enough evidence that voter suppression occurred and the explanation from Arizona representatives for why voting massively failed, is blatantly contradictory to the public hearing and overwhelming evidence. I suggest we pressure the Arizona legislature to change this for the GE election. Look sorry Mr. President, but I have to go, James Comey is calling. Understood."

If anything, this massive voter failure, will be rectified come November.

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Response to pantsonfire (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:02 PM

32. They can investigate, but not invalidate an election.

There is no legal way to get another election.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #32)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:04 PM

33. Ok, what about SB1516?

 

Which allows non-profits a level of less transparency in regards to donations to political candidates and groups; passed a couple days after the primary.

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Response to pantsonfire (Reply #33)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:10 PM

34. Not a law, so it had no affect on the primary.

Now, bye.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #34)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:27 PM

36. I posted a thread in the General Discussion, if you don't care about...

 

...transparency and superPACs, then fine.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:45 PM

30. Somebody needs to reread their Constitution, methinks

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


The Department of Justice, which is part of the Executive Branch (read "the White House" can sue states that disenfranchise citizens.

The election being discussed was for federal office, not state office, so the conduct of the election is not just a state matter.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:15 PM

21. Or, skip the slacktivism altogether, and write an actual letter expressing your concerns.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:19 PM

23. Already sent....will you join me? n/t

 

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Response to pantsonfire (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:14 PM

18. Why not try threatening to hold your breath until you turn blue?

It's something...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:20 PM

25. Arizona Secretary of State Michele Reagan

 

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Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:51 PM

3. We aren't third graders playing flag football; there aren't do-overs

And anyways the White House has nothing to do with this; you'd need to petition either the Arizona Democratic Party or the Democratic National Committee.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:56 PM

6. You would have to go to the Arizona State Legislature.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:00 PM

8. The state party could simply declare a new caucus or something

The legislature doesn't ultimately control what the parties do, unless they're using state voting equipment.

I just mean of all the possible parties, the White House is probably the least helpful place to turn.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:02 PM

10. No they could not. There is no legal authority to nullify an election.

Elections, even primaries, are managed by the individual states.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:05 PM

11. But the state party committee can do whatever it wants for its convention delegation

If the party committee wanted to say "We will have a Sudoku tournament to determine who goes" there's not much anybody could say (though DNC would raise an eyebrow, obviously).

Primary elections are a kind of weird no-man's-land of election law, actually...

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Response to Recursion (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:07 PM

14. Not after the fact. The election is done.

There are no do overs.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:09 PM

15. Which was how my first post in the thread started

My point was that even if you thought there would be a do-over, you'd have to convince the Arizona Democratic Party to hold one, and then the DNC to seat that delegation. The White House has the least say in this of anybody.

The last time I think there was a do-over was Mississippi in 1964, which is not a very felicitous precedent.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:14 PM

17. Really? 1964.....what caused that do-over? n/t

 

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Response to pantsonfire (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:16 PM

22. Black people voting

There wound up being two caucuses and two delegations sent; IIRC eventually the white-only delegation was seated after some back-room deals.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:19 PM

24. Arizona Secretary of State Michele Reagan confirms massive voting failures

 

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Response to Recursion (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:36 PM

39. I agree...my post is too pressure the democratic party to do something for the GE.

 

At the national convention the integrated Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party (MFDP) claimed the seats for delegates for Mississippi, not on the grounds of the Party rules, but because the official Mississippi delegation had been elected by a white primary system. The national party's liberal leaders supported an even division of the seats between the two Mississippi delegations; Johnson was concerned that, while the regular Democrats of Mississippi would probably vote for Goldwater anyway, rejecting them would lose him the South. Eventually, Hubert Humphrey, Walter Reuther and the black civil rights leaders including Roy Wilkins, Martin Luther King Jr., and Bayard Rustin worked out a compromise: the MFDP took two seats; the regular Mississippi delegation was required to pledge to support the party ticket; and no future Democratic convention would accept a delegation chosen by a discriminatory poll. Joseph L. Rauh Jr., the MFDP's lawyer, initially refused this deal, but they eventually took their seats. Many white delegates from Mississippi and Alabama refused to sign any pledge, and left the convention; and many young civil rights workers were offended by any compromise.[5] Johnson carried the South as a whole in the election, but lost Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia and South Carolina.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:20 PM

26. We aren't. We are adults. So it's all the more important that we fix it.

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Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:56 PM

5. HA! :-D



I guess King Obama can just order the folks in AZ to do whatever he wants, eh?

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Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:56 PM

7. ...

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Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:06 PM

13. I signed on principle, but does the White House actually have the power to compel a re-vote? n/t.

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:15 PM

20. Apparently they don't, but it keeps up the pressure on the issue...

 

...so it's not swept under the rug. We can't forget about our brothers and sisters in AZ, including those HRC supporters (and god forbid Republican voters) who were disenfranchised from voting on election day.

The Attorney General Loretta Lynch has her hands full, with the "email scandal" and who knows what else, but a phone call from the WH to make AZ a priority will go a long way. Imagine if there was enough vocal, digital, written, and silent protest that it could not be ignored. Apparently in 1964 they held a re-vote, I'm looking into it.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:12 PM

35. Vote on principle? Great idea!

The beltway needs to hear from the people

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Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:27 PM

27. I think this is about as useful as the petition to build a death star

Still mad at Obama for nixing that idea despite widespread support for the idea.

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:35 PM

29. Write a letter instead? n/t

 

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Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 03:48 PM

31. Everybody repeat after me: There will be no redoes.

Elections do not get repeated in this country, no matter how screwed up there are.

If you value your right to vote, you need to step up and make sure everything is in order before the election takes place. There will be no redoes.

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Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:30 PM

37. Confused.

 

How is the Presidency going to act on this?

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Response to pantsonfire (Original post)

Fri Apr 1, 2016, 04:33 PM

38. Another dumb suggestion by Camp Sanders

Voters who were turned away were able to cast provisional ballots. If they investigate and fine someone was wrongly turned away, their vote now clouts.

That's how it works, not by Camp Sanders petitioning the executive branch to violate the Constitution.

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