2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie needs 57% of remaining pledged delegates to win pledged Dem delegate count.
Bernie needs 57% of remaining pledged delegates to win pledged Dem delegate count.
Want 57% to be 56%? Gotta win Wisconsin by 48 points.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/717426380737089536
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)He will get most the remaining states by more than 57% and a few by a little less.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I said I don't care. Only I used different words.
Tarc
(10,475 posts)If the math says you need a certain % to meet a goal, then how much of a sad you're having over that doesn't make that math fact go away.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)When Bernie wins a state it's often by huge margins like in Washington, Hawaii, and Alaska. When he does that in California a small win in Wisconsin won't make a big difference in him getting the nomination.
brush
(53,743 posts)Here it is:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511649233
He's got no chance of winning New York after that. He came off as little more than his 20-year-old stump speech with no clue as to how to get his promises enacted.
He's not winning New York after that debacle.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)There will be 96 delegates at stake. Of the 96 delegates, 10 are super delegates. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel confirms that the winner of the Wisconsin primary will automatically be awarded 29 delegates. The remaining 57 represent each congressional district with whomever wins the district receiving the delegate.
How the Wisconsin delegates are divvied out, there could be a scenario where Bernie Sanders could win the primary, along with the majority of the congressional districts. He could conceivably have as many as 86 delegates, excluding all of the super delegates by the end of Tuesday.
That is an extreme case, but another, more realistic situation could loom.
For instance, if Sanders won 29 of the remaining available 57 delegates. That count of 29, along with delegates awarded for winning the Democratic primary, would give him 58 delegates.
If Bernie Sanders pulls out a win in Wisconsin, Hillary Clintons campaign might be in trouble. Sanders is on the verge of creating a true underdog story.
http://i.inq.cm/vobyTkN
Well, maybe after the 2nd or 3rd recount and a lot of whining.
dchill
(38,451 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)The breakdown: 57 Congressional District delegates; 10 pledged Party Leaders and Elected Officials; 10 unpledged PLEOs or superdelegates; 19 at-large
1. Congressional District delegates: Wisconsin has a total of 52 district-level delegates and five alternates. Each Congressional District is allotted a percentage of those delegates based on the 2012 and 2014 Democratic performance in that district.
2. Pledged Party Leader and Election Official delegates: Delegates including large city mayors, state legislative leaders, state legislators and other local party leaders
3. Unpledged PLEOs: Delegates including members of the Democratic National Committee who legally reside in the state and all of Wisconsins Democratic Members of the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate. These delegates are probably better known as "superdelegates." Superdelegates aren't required to adhere to the results of the state's primary election, meaning they can vote for their candidate of choice, not necessarily the winner of the primary.
4. At-large delegates and alternates: Delegates elected by the Democratic Party of Wisconsins Administrative Committee. People not chosen for delegate will then be considered candidates for at-large alternate positions unless they specify otherwise when filing.
According to the party's website: "In the selection of the at-large delegation, priority consideration will be given to African-Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans, and Asian/Pacific Americans. Additionally, in order to continue the Democratic Partys ongoing efforts to include groups historically under-represented in the Democratic Partys affairs, priority consideration will also be given to other groups by virtue of age, sexual orientation/gender identity or disability."
If Bernie wins by 0.0001% in each congressional district, he will have 49 delegates to Hillary's 47.
rock
(13,218 posts)The primary rules are really confusing. And that's just how the politicians like it. Thank you very much!
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)You know it's not winner take all, right?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The picture is far, far worse.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)I think I'll go to bed early
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)...he MUST win NY.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)I see some people saying that he only needs 57% of the remaining delegates, but they don't get how difficult that is. On average Sanders has to get 60% in every remaining state and he hasn't done that in a primary outside of New Hampshire/Vermont. The problem for Sanders is that he is all out of caucuses.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Math....
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)This is over.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)HRC or Bernie?
from your reply I suspect HRC and her supporters, looking at the polls, surge and internal demographic polling numbers makes this an easy question to answer...
By tomorrow these demographic #'s will be exposed and that will drive the narrative on all news channels...
tick tock....
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)No SHENNAMAGENS.. Lets wait and see.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)He needs landslides in big states.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)56% or better through those remaining 22 for Bernie to beat HRC
go figure... 56% is now considered 'landslide' territory
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Problem is, Dems allocate proportionally, so if he nets +10 delegates he will still have to make up 250+ delegates in other states....but he's running out of big states. Small states = small delegates. Not gonna win just netting +5 and +10 here and and there.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)Math...
22 primaries, big, small or etc...
notice the cherry pick pivot you're trying to take here? Yeah, that's a problem YOU have not I as it pertains to the current trends and surge here
All he has to do is keep winning and that % will continue to grow smaller, when he started he was at what % again? and he's at what now?
How are those numbers HRC has over all that same timeframe compared to Bernie... can you say plateaued or declining? I bet you can!
Enjoy!
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Every little bit helps, including maintaining the 56.6% mark.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)He needs landslides to eat into delegate lead.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)If he goes into June 7, still needing 56.6% he would still be mathematically viable. California going essentially last, means he doesn't have to give up as long as he maintains. Even if he needed 60% on June 7, he should stay in.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)And whoever has the delegate lead will get pushed over the finish line with superdels.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Which means he starts needing a higher and higher percentage of future primaries.
beedle
(1,235 posts)nothing like displaying a good healthy fear of democracy to show the people how committed you are to democracy
Oh, did I mention democracy?
How many votes does "math" have in the GE?
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Some states back the losing candidates all the time.
More Texas voters voted for GHW Bush, Dole, McCain and Romney than a democrat (in 1992, 1996, 2008 and 2012) but they still lost.
Bernie is not running for president of Wisconsin, amirite?
beedle
(1,235 posts)their say in the primary taken away from them by party elites?
Caucuses are too much trouble with all the discussion of policies and such .... letting people vote for the person they want rather than the approved establishment candidate is so 'your grandfathers democracy' .... you go through the processes and we'll make sure you make the right decisions!"
I guess all this Republican gerrymandering is not that bad after all, it's just the elites making sure that the people don't get out of hand with this stupid 'democracy' thing.
No wonder there are Bernie-or-Bust people ... they can see how little democracy means to the Clinton crowd.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)In the end there will be one nominee. Some states voted for candidate X, some for Y. Some of the states' voters won't get their say because far more voters in other states chose the other person. No whining state by state -- it is a national election.
beedle
(1,235 posts)voting and having your say wiped out by super delegates with 10,000 votes to your 1 vote is not.
But go ahead, if you get the chance tonight, give it a try and see how happy i twill make the WI democrats.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)LonePirate
(13,408 posts)I'm not sure where you came up with that one.
beedle
(1,235 posts)I said the Clinton establishment and their supports are afraid of democracy. They actually brag about how if Bernie gets the most unpledged delegates that's not going to make any difference because they have super delegates in the wings ready to flip the will of the voters.
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)This is true regardless of which candidate wins a majority of pledged delegates.
beedle
(1,235 posts)... I pointed out that Hillary supporters are all for super delegates overriding the winner of the pledged delegate voters ... they brag about it on this thread (and other threads.)
morningfog
(18,115 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)LexVegas
(6,031 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)"Comey says the FBI will always do investigations well, and do them promptly.
But if we have to choose between the two, well, obviously comes first.""
But there was also this:
"Monday afternoon the Hill reported that the FBI was close to wrapping things up with an eye on not becoming mired in the presidential election:
The FBI appears to be entering the home stretch of its investigation into Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clintons private email server.
Yet even as arrangements are reportedly being made to interview Clinton and her top aides, much remains unclear
Reports indicate that the bureau is sprinting to complete its work so it wont be seen as meddling in the presidential election."
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/04/05/fbi-director-comey-no-pressure-to-wrap-up-clinton-email-investigation/
We shall see!
frylock
(34,825 posts)The feds wouldn't need to drag this out if this were as cut and dried as her most ardent supporters would have us believe.
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)But thanks for the update.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Why is that never discussed?