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Bernie needs 57% of remaining pledged delegates to win pledged Dem delegate count.  (Original Post) JaneyVee Apr 2016 OP
Thanks for your concern Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #1
We don't need 57% to go down to 56% Kalidurga Apr 2016 #2
U need Wisconsin by +48 tonight to go to 56% tomorrow. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #5
I don't think you understood my post Kalidurga Apr 2016 #6
That's the cool thing about math; it doesn't care about your feelings Tarc Apr 2016 #16
I am not sad about the math Kalidurga Apr 2016 #24
Guess you haven't read the Sanders interview by the New York Daily News? brush Apr 2016 #33
Actually winning Wisconsin by 0.000001% will give Bernie 29 delegates over Clinton. w4rma Apr 2016 #3
maybe enid602 Apr 2016 #7
Let your grapes ripen a little longer, they won't be so sour. dchill Apr 2016 #10
Nice! nt revbones Apr 2016 #26
Wrong info cosmicone Apr 2016 #11
Glad you keep us straight rock Apr 2016 #57
YIKES. nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #28
Ah. Are we putting the supers in play now? Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #55
So tonight's results are basically irrelevant firebrand80 Apr 2016 #4
No! Tonight is totally relevant. If sanders wins by less than 50%... Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #56
Which is really difficult to do KingFlorez Apr 2016 #8
Clinton can lose every remaining primary and still win. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #9
Math indeed. Provide some please. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #13
100-57 = 43 She could lose everything and still take 43% plus. Math. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #58
Who's more worried with WI results... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #12
I am positive about them fun n serious Apr 2016 #29
Probably Bernie, winning is not good enough at this point... JaneyVee Apr 2016 #39
22 Primaries left... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #42
No, he needs 56% of remaining delegates... JaneyVee Apr 2016 #45
22 Primaries left... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #51
But Bernie doesn't need 56.6% (which is what it actually is) to go down to 56% tonight. morningfog Apr 2016 #14
But he will run out of states only maintaining... JaneyVee Apr 2016 #41
He can maintain until June 7. morningfog Apr 2016 #44
Ok, but hes not taking 60% of California. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #47
Agree on second point. We'll see on first! morningfog Apr 2016 #48
He will win Wisconsin and STILL fall behind by 6 delegates cosmicone Apr 2016 #15
That should make Wisconsin voters real happy beedle Apr 2016 #17
Meh ... it is a nationwide election cosmicone Apr 2016 #22
Did they have beedle Apr 2016 #27
Non sequitur cosmicone Apr 2016 #38
Yes, that's democracy beedle Apr 2016 #40
Superdelegates are also elected by voters. They are not born as superdelegates. cosmicone Apr 2016 #43
That is absurd. Fear of democracy is not keeping people from going to the polls. LonePirate Apr 2016 #31
That's not what I said beedle Apr 2016 #34
It's foolish to believe the supers will not support the majority winner of pledged delegates. LonePirate Apr 2016 #36
You may be correct, but again, that's not what I said beedle Apr 2016 #37
How do you figure that? Because you are wrong. morningfog Apr 2016 #46
He will win 6 delegates short of what he needs just to keep pace. n/t cosmicone Apr 2016 #49
He'll keep pace. morningfog Apr 2016 #50
To keep pace, he has to win by 58-42. He can't do that. n/t cosmicone Apr 2016 #52
He knows he isn't going to win. His senior campaign people are looking to get that $$. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #18
One word: Convention. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #19
Three words: F B I nt jmg257 Apr 2016 #20
I do wonder why they are dragging their feet on something so urgent. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #21
There was posts about it today - Comey says... jmg257 Apr 2016 #30
Whatever the reason might be, it can't bode well for Mrs. Clinton. frylock Apr 2016 #60
Sorry Berners. It's. Not. Happening. Alfresco Apr 2016 #23
57% isn't really all that much. I think Bernie can do it! reformist2 Apr 2016 #25
That number is decreasing every time, and there's a long way to go. Marr Apr 2016 #32
Time's running out! Tick tock tick tock! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #59
What's the percentage he needs to stop Clinton from reaching the magic number? Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #35
Your math has a Hillary bias. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #53
Again? Does this post automatically or do you have to go to the work each time? HERVEPA Apr 2016 #54

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
2. We don't need 57% to go down to 56%
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:11 PM
Apr 2016

He will get most the remaining states by more than 57% and a few by a little less.

Tarc

(10,475 posts)
16. That's the cool thing about math; it doesn't care about your feelings
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:25 PM
Apr 2016

If the math says you need a certain % to meet a goal, then how much of a sad you're having over that doesn't make that math fact go away.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
24. I am not sad about the math
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:43 PM
Apr 2016

When Bernie wins a state it's often by huge margins like in Washington, Hawaii, and Alaska. When he does that in California a small win in Wisconsin won't make a big difference in him getting the nomination.

brush

(53,743 posts)
33. Guess you haven't read the Sanders interview by the New York Daily News?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:21 PM
Apr 2016

Here it is:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511649233

He's got no chance of winning New York after that. He came off as little more than his 20-year-old stump speech with no clue as to how to get his promises enacted.

He's not winning New York after that debacle.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
3. Actually winning Wisconsin by 0.000001% will give Bernie 29 delegates over Clinton.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016

There will be 96 delegates at stake. Of the 96 delegates, 10 are super delegates. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel confirms that the winner of the Wisconsin primary will automatically be awarded 29 delegates. The remaining 57 represent each congressional district with whomever wins the district receiving the delegate.

How the Wisconsin delegates are divvied out, there could be a scenario where Bernie Sanders could win the primary, along with the majority of the congressional districts. He could conceivably have as many as 86 delegates, excluding all of the super delegates by the end of Tuesday.

That is an extreme case, but another, more realistic situation could loom.

For instance, if Sanders won 29 of the remaining available 57 delegates. That count of 29, along with delegates awarded for winning the Democratic primary, would give him 58 delegates.

If Bernie Sanders pulls out a win in Wisconsin, Hillary Clinton’s campaign might be in trouble. Sanders is on the verge of creating a true underdog story.
http://i.inq.cm/vobyTkN

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
11. Wrong info
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:19 PM
Apr 2016

The breakdown: 57 Congressional District delegates; 10 pledged Party Leaders and Elected Officials; 10 unpledged PLEOs or superdelegates; 19 at-large

1. Congressional District delegates: Wisconsin has a total of 52 district-level delegates and five alternates. Each Congressional District is allotted a percentage of those delegates based on the 2012 and 2014 Democratic performance in that district.

2. Pledged Party Leader and Election Official delegates: Delegates including large city mayors, state legislative leaders, state legislators and other local party leaders

3. Unpledged PLEOs: Delegates including members of the Democratic National Committee who legally reside in the state and all of Wisconsin’s Democratic Members of the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate. These delegates are probably better known as "superdelegates." Superdelegates aren't required to adhere to the results of the state's primary election, meaning they can vote for their candidate of choice, not necessarily the winner of the primary.

4. At-large delegates and alternates: Delegates elected by the Democratic Party of Wisconsin’s Administrative Committee. People not chosen for delegate will then be considered candidates for at-large alternate positions unless they specify otherwise when filing.

According to the party's website: "In the selection of the at-large delegation, priority consideration will be given to African-Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans, and Asian/Pacific Americans. Additionally, in order to continue the Democratic Party’s ongoing efforts to include groups historically under-represented in the Democratic Party’s affairs, priority consideration will also be given to other groups by virtue of age, sexual orientation/gender identity or disability."

If Bernie wins by 0.0001% in each congressional district, he will have 49 delegates to Hillary's 47.

rock

(13,218 posts)
57. Glad you keep us straight
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:45 PM
Apr 2016

The primary rules are really confusing. And that's just how the politicians like it. Thank you very much!

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
8. Which is really difficult to do
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:17 PM
Apr 2016

I see some people saying that he only needs 57% of the remaining delegates, but they don't get how difficult that is. On average Sanders has to get 60% in every remaining state and he hasn't done that in a primary outside of New Hampshire/Vermont. The problem for Sanders is that he is all out of caucuses.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
12. Who's more worried with WI results...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:20 PM
Apr 2016

HRC or Bernie?

from your reply I suspect HRC and her supporters, looking at the polls, surge and internal demographic polling numbers makes this an easy question to answer...

By tomorrow these demographic #'s will be exposed and that will drive the narrative on all news channels...

tick tock....

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
42. 22 Primaries left...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:20 PM
Apr 2016

56% or better through those remaining 22 for Bernie to beat HRC

go figure... 56% is now considered 'landslide' territory

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
45. No, he needs 56% of remaining delegates...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:24 PM
Apr 2016

Problem is, Dems allocate proportionally, so if he nets +10 delegates he will still have to make up 250+ delegates in other states....but he's running out of big states. Small states = small delegates. Not gonna win just netting +5 and +10 here and and there.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
51. 22 Primaries left...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:30 PM
Apr 2016

Math...

22 primaries, big, small or etc...

notice the cherry pick pivot you're trying to take here? Yeah, that's a problem YOU have not I as it pertains to the current trends and surge here

All he has to do is keep winning and that % will continue to grow smaller, when he started he was at what % again? and he's at what now?

How are those numbers HRC has over all that same timeframe compared to Bernie... can you say plateaued or declining? I bet you can!

Enjoy!

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
14. But Bernie doesn't need 56.6% (which is what it actually is) to go down to 56% tonight.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:25 PM
Apr 2016

Every little bit helps, including maintaining the 56.6% mark.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
44. He can maintain until June 7.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:23 PM
Apr 2016

If he goes into June 7, still needing 56.6% he would still be mathematically viable. California going essentially last, means he doesn't have to give up as long as he maintains. Even if he needed 60% on June 7, he should stay in.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
47. Ok, but hes not taking 60% of California.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:26 PM
Apr 2016

And whoever has the delegate lead will get pushed over the finish line with superdels.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
15. He will win Wisconsin and STILL fall behind by 6 delegates
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:25 PM
Apr 2016

Which means he starts needing a higher and higher percentage of future primaries.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
17. That should make Wisconsin voters real happy
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:31 PM
Apr 2016

nothing like displaying a good healthy fear of democracy to show the people how committed you are to democracy

Oh, did I mention democracy?

How many votes does "math" have in the GE?

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
22. Meh ... it is a nationwide election
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:41 PM
Apr 2016

Some states back the losing candidates all the time.

More Texas voters voted for GHW Bush, Dole, McCain and Romney than a democrat (in 1992, 1996, 2008 and 2012) but they still lost.
Bernie is not running for president of Wisconsin, amirite?

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
27. Did they have
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:56 PM
Apr 2016

their say in the primary taken away from them by party elites?

Caucuses are too much trouble with all the discussion of policies and such .... letting people vote for the person they want rather than the approved establishment candidate is so 'your grandfathers democracy' .... you go through the processes and we'll make sure you make the right decisions!"

I guess all this Republican gerrymandering is not that bad after all, it's just the elites making sure that the people don't get out of hand with this stupid 'democracy' thing.

No wonder there are Bernie-or-Bust people ... they can see how little democracy means to the Clinton crowd.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
38. Non sequitur
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:10 PM
Apr 2016

In the end there will be one nominee. Some states voted for candidate X, some for Y. Some of the states' voters won't get their say because far more voters in other states chose the other person. No whining state by state -- it is a national election.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
40. Yes, that's democracy
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:19 PM
Apr 2016

voting and having your say wiped out by super delegates with 10,000 votes to your 1 vote is not.

But go ahead, if you get the chance tonight, give it a try and see how happy i twill make the WI democrats.

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
31. That is absurd. Fear of democracy is not keeping people from going to the polls.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:11 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not sure where you came up with that one.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
34. That's not what I said
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:37 PM
Apr 2016

I said the Clinton establishment and their supports are afraid of democracy. They actually brag about how if Bernie gets the most unpledged delegates that's not going to make any difference because they have super delegates in the wings ready to flip the will of the voters.

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
36. It's foolish to believe the supers will not support the majority winner of pledged delegates.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:47 PM
Apr 2016

This is true regardless of which candidate wins a majority of pledged delegates.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
37. You may be correct, but again, that's not what I said
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:53 PM
Apr 2016

... I pointed out that Hillary supporters are all for super delegates overriding the winner of the pledged delegate voters ... they brag about it on this thread (and other threads.)

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
30. There was posts about it today - Comey says...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:08 PM
Apr 2016

"Comey says the FBI will always do investigations well, and do them promptly.
“But if we have to choose between the two, well, obviously comes first.""

But there was also this:

"Monday afternoon the Hill reported that the FBI was close to wrapping things up with an eye on not becoming mired in the presidential election:
The FBI appears to be entering the home stretch of its investigation into Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton’s private email server.
Yet even as arrangements are reportedly being made to interview Clinton and her top aides, much remains unclear…
Reports indicate that the bureau is sprinting to complete its work so it won’t be seen as meddling in the presidential election."

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/04/05/fbi-director-comey-no-pressure-to-wrap-up-clinton-email-investigation/

We shall see!

frylock

(34,825 posts)
60. Whatever the reason might be, it can't bode well for Mrs. Clinton.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 06:48 PM
Apr 2016

The feds wouldn't need to drag this out if this were as cut and dried as her most ardent supporters would have us believe.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
35. What's the percentage he needs to stop Clinton from reaching the magic number?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:38 PM
Apr 2016

Why is that never discussed?

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