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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:08 PM Apr 2016

Sixty-five thousand dollars to Chelsea Clinton for 10 minute speech

A college balks at Hillary Clinton’s fee, books Chelsea for $65,000 instead

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-college-balks-at-hillary-clintons-fee-so-books-chelsea-for-65000-instead/2015/06/29/b1918e42-1e78-11e5-84d5-eb37ee8eaa61_story.html

So inspirational!

The contract required that the university submit a final list of attendees (including their occupations, titles and affiliations) two weeks before the event “for vetting” and stipulated that guests must be lined up before Clinton’s arrival and then “proceed to their seats” after their photos were taken. The contract also gave Clinton’s team “final approval” of which media outlets were authorized to cover the speech.
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Sixty-five thousand dollars to Chelsea Clinton for 10 minute speech (Original Post) JackRiddler Apr 2016 OP
I hope she used that to pay off her student loans. Autumn Apr 2016 #1
As if she has student loans Android3.14 Apr 2016 #26
Hillaryous! From The GetGo Of This Campaign MONEY IS The Reason For The Season... CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #43
obscene; and do they have a Cayman Island account? amborin Apr 2016 #2
No, it goes to the foundation... JackRiddler Apr 2016 #4
but doesn't she and her husband have one, separately? amborin Apr 2016 #15
Is people's tuition payments funding that? Ash_F Apr 2016 #3
Money is fungible, so tuition plus taxpayers. JackRiddler Apr 2016 #8
I would rather they spend this money on staffing, books, facilities. /nt Ash_F Apr 2016 #12
Perhaps they could have afforded Hillary's fee if Sanders free tuition program had been implemented Freddie Stubbs Apr 2016 #110
I have a problem with the growing oligarchy, but do you point out all Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #5
Read the article, it mentions various speakers... JackRiddler Apr 2016 #10
So you will join me in taxing these fees or for that matter any income above a certain Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #14
Sure, that used to be the highest tax bracket. JackRiddler Apr 2016 #19
That was one reason incomes were less concentrated Armstead Apr 2016 #20
If for their charity, its tax free. Personal income the clintons do pay IRS about 45%? tax rate. Sunlei Apr 2016 #112
Her's are notable because she didn't inherit her father's gift. artislife Apr 2016 #55
Yeah SwampG8r Apr 2016 #95
I Have A Problem RobinA Apr 2016 #96
Totally agree exboyfil Apr 2016 #103
In ten minutes she made what is the yearly pay for many Americans nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #6
Not much longer Baobab Apr 2016 #56
Truly. (nt) enough Apr 2016 #59
you said so much in just a few words renate Apr 2016 #90
I'm sure she's worth every penny... what with her MANY accomplishments. Grifters gotta grift... AzDar Apr 2016 #7
How much could you command for a speech? redstateblues Apr 2016 #9
I'm glad you know your place in the class system. JackRiddler Apr 2016 #11
You don't find that kind of money insane? For 10 minutes? Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #16
You obviously are unaware how much speaking fees are for redstateblues Apr 2016 #29
CC is getting paid a years talent for her last name....not any talent that she has. Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #31
Are there any exceptions to this principle of yours? cheapdate Apr 2016 #60
Well said Cheapdate... Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #80
Bribery in the U.S. is narrowly defined under U.S. law. cheapdate Apr 2016 #82
Very narrowly defined in US...you are correct again! Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #85
And she charged a lot more than other speakers they considered, The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #13
Like Mother like daughter Politicalboi Apr 2016 #17
Extradite? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #18
or she inherited the talent for giving speeches worth that much money Enrique Apr 2016 #23
What a racket. azmom Apr 2016 #21
Yes, at $390,000 per hour. (nt) enough Apr 2016 #62
Obscene noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #22
That's about the pay and benefits for a full-time lecturer, at my school petronius Apr 2016 #24
I thought Chelsea said DetroitSocialist83 Apr 2016 #25
Runs in the family. longship Apr 2016 #27
The 1% live in a bubble felix_numinous Apr 2016 #28
Ah, Now This All Makes SENSE! High Tuitions to Pay Rich People Too Much Money! CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #30
At age 26, Chelsea accomplished this--- Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #32
What a waste. RedCappedBandit Apr 2016 #33
I'll take Amy Carter. nt Snotcicles Apr 2016 #34
Wow! There's a lot of unwarranted pettiness, jealously and faux outrage in this thread. LonePirate Apr 2016 #35
Why would anyone offer that much money to someone with no significant personal accomplishments? Fumesucker Apr 2016 #38
Maybe they are paying for her perspective on her life with two impossibly successful parents? LonePirate Apr 2016 #44
When people are scrapping money to pay the rent nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #57
Would you prefer one of Trump's spawn receive the speaking gig? LonePirate Apr 2016 #64
I would not mind if they got paid a reasonable fee nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #68
I don't care one iota about the fee. It could be $5. It could be $10M. It makes no difference. LonePirate Apr 2016 #70
My opinion is based on silly principles as social justice nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #71
I am minding my own damn business and respecting a legal, private business transaction. LonePirate Apr 2016 #72
You might want to review what happens when workers get tired of this shit nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #73
You are lacking common sense if you think a college is going to pay some no name to speak. LonePirate Apr 2016 #75
This has not one thing to do with common sense. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #76
College commencement speaking gigs will absolutely NOT lead to social unrest. LonePirate Apr 2016 #77
Corruption Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #83
Her parents have a net worth north of $100M and this speaking fee is less than 1/10 of 1% of that LonePirate Apr 2016 #86
I'm well aware of what a bribe is... Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #87
The problem is that many Americans nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #98
So this all seems right to you? As her mother said "It's what they offered." (nt) enough Apr 2016 #61
Again, if it is what they offered her, then there is nothing wrong. LonePirate Apr 2016 #66
really??? SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #88
You mean a world where an employer & employee agree to a higher than living wage w/o ... LonePirate Apr 2016 #91
you must not read very much SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #113
I stay away from the Creative Speculation thread where a lot of these nonsense objections belong LonePirate Apr 2016 #114
pirate? SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #115
What has she done Aerows Apr 2016 #36
The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. Impedimentus Apr 2016 #37
She probably talked about her autobiography nichomachus Apr 2016 #39
Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #54
She is an argument $15 an hour is too high. 4139 Apr 2016 #40
Proof.. speaktruthtopower Apr 2016 #41
Who cares? democrattotheend Apr 2016 #42
Chelsea has been on the capaign trail, she is officially part of the Clinton campaign Fumesucker Apr 2016 #47
I still don't think it's relevant how much money she makes nt democrattotheend Apr 2016 #49
Sanders describes a culture where a few make vast sums for little or no work Fumesucker Apr 2016 #53
Family gravy train. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #45
Compare and contrast. This is the son of Bernie Sanders. He works as a social security disability jillan Apr 2016 #46
Wow, he looks JUST like Obama! JackRiddler Apr 2016 #48
Hahahaaaa - thanks for the laugh!! jillan Apr 2016 #51
I note you aren't talking about the daughter he has with Jane...the one who msanthrope Apr 2016 #97
Burlington college still offers a woodworking degree program. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #106
If nothing else, I can see where Sanders can partially fund college for everyone. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #50
Now there is a thought! jillan Apr 2016 #52
The topic: The importance of having rich and famous parents jg10003 Apr 2016 #58
Jesus Fucking Christ....what could she have to say worth $65,000? Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #63
Utterly absurd. n/t moondust Apr 2016 #65
The worst part about this Newkularblue Apr 2016 #67
Runs in the family. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #69
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #74
Nice work if you can get it. frylock Apr 2016 #78
there are several posters on this thread who either don't get the inherent question of this islandmkl Apr 2016 #79
It is total bullshit she would get paid like this to speak. If this is not buying influence, then Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #84
She must be a great speaker. senz Apr 2016 #81
Does Chelsea even have any skills? jfern Apr 2016 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #109
and who pays the college for them to waste $ on guest speakers? B Calm Apr 2016 #92
Speaking for obscene fees seems to be a family enterprise. Vinca Apr 2016 #93
That's what they offered. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #94
Damn, I need to get into politics! Dem2 Apr 2016 #99
Is the speech to be about the horrors of Free Tuition? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #100
LOL...touche FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #107
That reminds me AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #101
Good for her. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2016 #102
Would you take the money if they offered it to you? Renew Deal Apr 2016 #104
Now now. Chelsea doesn't care about money. Avalux Apr 2016 #105
LOL Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #118
Corruption doesn't skip any generations in the Clinton family. 99Forever Apr 2016 #108
Chelsea Clinton, Vice Chair of the Clinton Foundation.Foundation has benefited millions of people Sunlei Apr 2016 #111
please! that's from their press release amborin Apr 2016 #119
But she doesn't seem to know anything . . . Prism Apr 2016 #116
We want the Chelsea transcripts! JackRiddler Apr 2016 #117
"Hello, I'm Chelsea Clinton." (Thunderous applause) Buns_of_Fire Apr 2016 #120

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
43. Hillaryous! From The GetGo Of This Campaign MONEY IS The Reason For The Season...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:12 PM
Apr 2016

So much for "OUR" Democratic Party... When in FACT it is HILLARY'S democratic PARTY!

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
8. Money is fungible, so tuition plus taxpayers.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:11 PM
Apr 2016

Incredible, no?

Some amazing lucre on the circuit - others get $30 K and such to speak to colleges. So noble!

Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
110. Perhaps they could have afforded Hillary's fee if Sanders free tuition program had been implemented
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:38 AM
Apr 2016

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
5. I have a problem with the growing oligarchy, but do you point out all
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:10 PM
Apr 2016

highly paid speakers or just the Clinton's?

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
10. Read the article, it mentions various speakers...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:12 PM
Apr 2016

With ridiculous but far lower fees than what CC commanded.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
14. So you will join me in taxing these fees or for that matter any income above a certain
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:14 PM
Apr 2016

amount to the tune of about 75%?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
20. That was one reason incomes were less concentrated
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:19 PM
Apr 2016

Not just the taxes themselves...But the high rates that used to exist also removed the incentive to pay ridiculously high salaries and binuses

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
112. If for their charity, its tax free. Personal income the clintons do pay IRS about 45%? tax rate.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:54 AM
Apr 2016

Financials are public info on their Clinton Foundation website.

Mrs Clinton has her IRS filings on her website.

Always amazed me how high 'speaking fees' are, but even old Mitt Romney got $40,000 'speaking fees' from Corporations & his friends when he had to list his "income".

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
96. I Have A Problem
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:20 AM
Apr 2016

with highly paid speakers who have done...what in life besides be highly paid speakers? I happen to like Chelsea from what I've seen in the media and I am a Hillary supporter. But my issue with this, and there are many people other than Chelsea doing it, is why are people willing to pay people like her with very little practical experience in anything, who are somehow touted as experts in something. Outside of academia, a place where you know you are getting an academic with lots of book and research knowledge, which has it's own value, what does Chelsea Clinton have to tell me? I have a Masters degree in psychology, I've worked retail, as a paralegal, as a child welfare social worker, a therapist in a methadone clinic, a community therapist, and as a social worker/therapist at a psychiatric hospital. There are thousands of people like me in various areas doing real work on the ground. Chelsea (and others in similar circumstances); work retail, walk through a crack house and try to keep the children who live there safe and not get yourself killed, help stroke patients rehab, teach kids to read. Then I might agree you should get big money for speeches.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
103. Totally agree
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

I would much prefer to hear someone with your experience than a silver spoon. I always wonder about athletes as well. If they are talking to other athletes, then it kinds of makes sense but, in general, I really don't know what they can teach me. Same applies to actors.

I would prefer to hear authors, scientists, business professionals, social workers, health care providers etc.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
6. In ten minutes she made what is the yearly pay for many Americans
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:10 PM
Apr 2016
And then they think people are not getting tired of this shit

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
56. Not much longer
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:44 PM
Apr 2016

Dad's trade deal may lower wages substantially soon.


>In ten minutes she made what is the yearly pay for many Americans

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
29. You obviously are unaware how much speaking fees are for
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:42 PM
Apr 2016

prominent people. As a Braves fan how do you feel about mediocre pitchers with lifetime losing records getting multi million dollar contracts? Apples and oranges for sure but I guess you could say they get "what is offered". Is it right that they make more money than school teachers? I see people in the music biz that I don't think are talented getting huge contracts. This whole idea that it's wrong for people to make money is puzzling.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
31. CC is getting paid a years talent for her last name....not any talent that she has.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:45 PM
Apr 2016

Unless being born into Royalty is talent.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
60. Are there any exceptions to this principle of yours?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:05 PM
Apr 2016

Jamie Dimon at JP Morgan Chase? Lloyd Blankfein at Goldman Sachs? Thomas Kennedy at Raytheon? Just folks makin' money?

Practically no one here believes that the "whole idea" is that "it's wrong for people to make money" in the way that you seem to clearly be implying, which is as a universal principle. It's a necessity to make money to live in the world as it is. It's wrong for financial and political elites to skim millions and millions of dollars off the top.

I don't really have time right now to try to "unpuzzle" for you why some people take issue with Lloyd Blankfein taking home $23 million last year and Chelsea Clinton pocketing $65,000 for a 10-minute speech. So, I'll just say lots of people are pissed off. I'm pissed off. Not "envious". But when every last penny of future value in the country is continually being vacuumed up by these sons-of-bitches while millions of ordinary Americans are left scrambling for enough money just to survive, there's a problem. It's wrong. They (bankers) borrow from the Fed at 1.5% and loan it out to the rest of us at 8%, 10%, 15%, 20%.

Avalon Sparks

(2,565 posts)
80. Well said Cheapdate...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:26 PM
Apr 2016

Hmmmmm, they might understand government officials and their close family members accepting suitcases full of money, you know the way bribes are facilitated in "corrupt" countries.

Here in the US it goes down so much easier for some folks if the bribes are framed as "speaking fees". See? They sing for their supper?, nothing to see here.

A bribe by any other name is still a bribe.

If the Clinton dynamic duo secures the US Presidency, their investors will be lining up around the block to collect on their "investments". I imagine some of them have been waiting for years for their bets to pay out.

Such is the way of corruption.

Fun tip: Bribes or other items of value (I.e invitation to speak for cash) are often funneled through close family members (generally spouse and children) of governmental officials. It's a common method of paying for influence in corrupt countries all over the world.



cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
82. Bribery in the U.S. is narrowly defined under U.S. law.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:36 PM
Apr 2016

It practically requires nothing short of a of a bundle of cash changing hands and a tape recording of a public official explicitly saying that 'I will do X in exchange for this bundle of cash.'

The remedy for corruption, which is a betrayal of public trust, is supposed to be regular, free and fair, elections.

But the whole process has become dysfunctional and corrupted from top to bottom.

Avalon Sparks

(2,565 posts)
85. Very narrowly defined in US...you are correct again!
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:45 PM
Apr 2016

It still is what it is, no?

Whether it's "illegal" or not is relevant to me.

A corrupt government is always most devastating to its weakest citizens.

Many Americans understand that on some level I think, but because they're doing ok, fairly comfortable, they don't think the corruption will impact them.

Sadly in need of some history lessons.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
13. And she charged a lot more than other speakers they considered,
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:13 PM
Apr 2016

like Gloria Steinem and Cokie Roberts - women who have actually done something. What has Chelsea actually done besides come up a winner in the Lucky Gamete Club?

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
17. Like Mother like daughter
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:15 PM
Apr 2016

Riding coattails is what they do best. Although, those coattails aren't what they used to be. The Clinton's might want to think about moving to a country where they can't expedite you for your crimes.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
24. That's about the pay and benefits for a full-time lecturer, at my school
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:24 PM
Apr 2016

(Although lecturers are grossly underpaid.) Pretty close to the annual starting pay of a tenure-track professor. Hope it was worth it to them...

longship

(40,416 posts)
27. Runs in the family.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:31 PM
Apr 2016

You flap your gums, you get paid. Big time.

After all, you're a Clinton and it's your turn.

What a disgusting family.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
28. The 1% live in a bubble
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:34 PM
Apr 2016

it's the job of American people to pop that bubble periodically to equalize the pressure, and power.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
30. Ah, Now This All Makes SENSE! High Tuitions to Pay Rich People Too Much Money!
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:44 PM
Apr 2016

Charge people who don't have money to spend, and THEN give that to super rich people who don't need it!

I LOVE America!

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
32. At age 26, Chelsea accomplished this---
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:58 PM
Apr 2016

and was not living in her parents' basement paying off student loans and working at Starbucks....like so many of our friends' kids..Funny how opportunity just presented itself!!!

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/15549672/ns/business-us_business/t/chelsea-clinton-joins-new-york-hedge-fund/


NEW YORK — Former first daughter Chelsea Clinton has joined Avenue Capital Group, a $12 billion hedge fund manager whose founder has contributed to many Democratic Party campaigns, a person familiar with the matter said Friday.
Clinton, 26, the only child of former President Bill Clinton and U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, has taken a post at the New York-based fund manager in an undisclosed capacity, the source said.
Clinton, who graduated from Stanford University in 2001 and studied philosophy at Oxford University, most recently worked at consultants McKinsey & Co. from 2003.
Avenue which focuses on distressed securities investing was co-founded by Marc Lasry. Morgan Stanley this week bought a minority stake in Avenue.


LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
35. Wow! There's a lot of unwarranted pettiness, jealously and faux outrage in this thread.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:06 PM
Apr 2016

There is absolutely no one in this thread who would refuse $65K for a brief speech. Why should Chelsea refuse it?

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
44. Maybe they are paying for her perspective on her life with two impossibly successful parents?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:13 PM
Apr 2016

They are certainly not going to find very many speakers with her life experience.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
57. When people are scrapping money to pay the rent
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:54 PM
Apr 2016

and go into major debt over a medical emergency... this actually is not pettiness, is realization that there is a class struggle. Yes, even Americans are getting radicalized. It is a slow process. By the way, I would not complaint if she got paid a reasonable rate. More than the median income for 10 minutes is not a reasonable rate.

It is part of the defend the rich mentality that has gotten us as a country into all kinds of trouble. And sooner or later people will lash out.

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
64. Would you prefer one of Trump's spawn receive the speaking gig?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:13 PM
Apr 2016

Colleges go to all sorts of trouble and expense to hire speakers for spring graduation ceremonies. Like it or not, there is intense competition between schools and a high profile speaker is often a public relations moment - which is why they don't typically hire no names or unconnected people to speak. It's a time of celebration for the graduates and the school and some schools spend lavishly for that moment in the spotlight and to make the day as memorable as possible for attendees.

Also, what you consider a reasonable rate is apparently far from the market rate or what the college considers reasonable. And this speaking fee has absolutely nothing to do with medical debt or rent. She could speak for free and people will still have problems paying rent or medical bills. Again, it's all pettiness, jealously and probably also resentment directed at Chelsea because her mother has been vilified here on DU and sites like FR where some DUers go to post when they are not here.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
68. I would not mind if they got paid a reasonable fee
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:33 PM
Apr 2016

you are missing that on purpose, but that is not surprising. Trust me, the rich could care less what happens to LonePirate, If you live or die is no matter to them. It is time to stop defending these rentier class practices. You might want to look that reference up by the way.

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
70. I don't care one iota about the fee. It could be $5. It could be $10M. It makes no difference.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:12 PM
Apr 2016

You simply have it in your head what you think is reasonable. Your opinion obviously differs from the college. The key difference here is that they are paying it. If you want to hire a speaker for what you consider a reasonable fee, then have at it. This is nothing more than a job negotiated between an employer and an employee. Neither of us are involved in that transaction so we can either accept it (like I have) or we can complain about it being unfair for whatever reason (like you have).

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
71. My opinion is based on silly principles as social justice
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:14 PM
Apr 2016

she got paid for ten minutes what some of those kids owe, and will have a hell of a time paying back.

As I said, you keep defending those rentier practices.

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
72. I am minding my own damn business and respecting a legal, private business transaction.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

Your social justice clamoring will have absolutely no impact on this matter. If it makes you sleep well at night thinking your wordsmithing on an internet forum makes any difference at all in something so completely trivial and irrelevant as this speaking engagement, then have at it. Personally, there are far better targets for your time but railing against anything Clinton is de rigeuer for almost ever Bernie voter but me here on DU. I bet if someone with a last name other than Clinton had accepted this speaking gig, neither you or anyone else on DU would be saying one peep about it. Or do you have dozens of other posts complaining about exorbitant speaking fees handed out by universities this year? I didn't think so.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
73. You might want to review what happens when workers get tired of this shit
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:36 PM
Apr 2016

and develop a class consciousness.

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What ultimately you are defending is income inequality and wealth concentration. Your post sounds kind of let them eat cake. It used to be surprising to find these sentiments, but these days they are not surprising at all. They are almost expected.

Keep defending those rentier practices. I have my ear close to the ground and shit like this will not play well in many places you are probably not familiar with.

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
75. You are lacking common sense if you think a college is going to pay some no name to speak.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:53 PM
Apr 2016

Would you have preferred some multi-millionaire athlete or movie star or CEO be paid to speak instead of Chelsea Clinton? Those are the types of people hired for these gigs. They do not hire people nobody has ever heard of. They do not pluck some mail carrier or elementary school teacher or retired factory worker to speak at these events. Your worker uprising spiel will never, ever change the hiring practices for college commencement speaking jobs. The best you can hope for is some temporary sensation like Chesley Sullenberger who emerges from nowhere to capture America's attention briefly. If you think otherwise, you are completely detached from reality - a reality no revolution will change.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
76. This has not one thing to do with common sense.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:55 PM
Apr 2016

but if you think this shit will not lead to social unrest sooner or later, you lack understanding and knowledge of history. I could get rude, I shan't. You keep defending that concentration. Realize though, that you do not even do it well.

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
77. College commencement speaking gigs will absolutely NOT lead to social unrest.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:13 PM
Apr 2016

The whole notion is completely absurd and anyone with a lick of common sense would understand how completely unrelated the job and your social unrest yammering are. If there is any major social unrest in this country's near future (which I highly doubt there is), the fees paid for speaking at a college graduation will not appear on the top 100 concerns of any of the uprisers. How can you be so oblivious to this given how you say you have your ear to the ground?

Avalon Sparks

(2,565 posts)
83. Corruption
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:37 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe you'd understand government officials and their close family members accepting suitcases full of money, you know the way bribes are facilitated in "corrupt" countries.

Here in the US it goes down so much easier for some folks if the bribes are framed as "speaking fees". See? They sing for their supper?, nothing to see here.

A bribe by any other name is still a bribe.

If the Clinton dynamic duo secures the US Presidency, their investors will be lining up around the block to collect on their "investments". I imagine some of them have been waiting for years for their bets to pay out.

Such is the way of corruption.

Fun tip: Bribes or other items of value (I.e invitation to speak for cash) are often funneled through close family members (generally spouse and children) of governmental officials. It's a common method of paying for influence in corrupt countries all over the world.

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
86. Her parents have a net worth north of $100M and this speaking fee is less than 1/10 of 1% of that
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:09 AM
Apr 2016

You think this qualifies as a bribe? You really need to take off the tin foil hat and start looking at things from a realistic perspective. To claim this speaking fee is a bribe is the pinnacle of stupidity here on DU tonight.

Avalon Sparks

(2,565 posts)
87. I'm well aware of what a bribe is...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:11 AM
Apr 2016

Often, Granting favors or other items of value to relatives of a public official is a form of illegitimate private gain, so yes I would infer it is likely passive bribery.

Their net worth is actually 150 million, the majority of it bribes.

No need to wear a tin foil hat, my career requires me to be an expert at finding corruption and protecting the non-USA company I work for from violating the Foreign Corrupt Practice Act.

Of course, it's mainly relevant to bribes extended to Foreign Government Officials, not so much to US ones, as the US accepts legalized bribery. An oxymoron yes, but by keeping it "transparent" under the guise of "speaking fees", a ruse by the way that you and some others readily accept and even condone, well there's no need for money laundering. Ka Ching, straight to the Clinton checking account, nice and clean.

I've been studying corruption and bribery for years, and as such it's fairly easy to recognize when you see it.

The Clintons have made their fortune accepting influence money, the IOU's are coming due soon enough I expect.

Such is the way of corruption.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
98. The problem is that many Americans
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:07 AM
Apr 2016

Do not accept corruption exists in the US. To the south we know better. It was even a presidential slogan. Rough
Translation, we are all responsible for corruption. It just happens at different levels, and it is only getting worst

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
66. Again, if it is what they offered her, then there is nothing wrong.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:16 PM
Apr 2016

Should she donate the speaking fee? She probably will. If not, that's her business, not ours. Again, I doubt any DUer would turn down the speaking fee so why should Chelsea?

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
91. You mean a world where an employer & employee agree to a higher than living wage w/o ...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:38 AM
Apr 2016

needing government approval? That is the world we all should want.

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
114. I stay away from the Creative Speculation thread where a lot of these nonsense objections belong
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:54 PM - Edit history (1)

Jealousy and an obvious lack of understanding of this special event market permeate this thread. Partisan hatred directed at anything Clinton also motivates many of the posts here.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
39. She probably talked about her autobiography
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:10 PM
Apr 2016

"From Trust Fund to Hedge Fund -- How My Dead-Broke Parents Paid For My $5,000,000 Wedding."

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
42. Who cares?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:11 PM
Apr 2016

It's one thing to attack Hillary, the presidential candidate, for giving expensive speeches to groups that hired her knowing or speculating she was going to run for president. Chelsea is not running for anything, so who cares how much she gets paid?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
47. Chelsea has been on the capaign trail, she is officially part of the Clinton campaign
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:19 PM
Apr 2016

Indeed Chelsea came out and lied about Sanders' health care proposal, that didn't endear her to quite a few of us.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
53. Sanders describes a culture where a few make vast sums for little or no work
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:33 PM
Apr 2016

Vast sums for some while others lack basic necessities.

The other candidate's daughter just made above a median American's yearly wage for saying a few words no one will remember an hour later. Combine that with Chelsea's comment about "not caring about money" and it seems remarkably clueless as to how it would be perceived.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
46. Compare and contrast. This is the son of Bernie Sanders. He works as a social security disability
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:18 PM
Apr 2016

insurance analyst. One child was raised to fight for disability rights, the other was raised to marry a hedge fund manager and collect
65k for a speech. In both cases - the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all



 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
48. Wow, he looks JUST like Obama!
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:23 PM
Apr 2016

Who's the one with the beard?

Ha ha ha.

(Like many to his left - and who abhor the longstanding U.S. imperialism and the neoliberal order - I have my problems with Obama, but damn, that charisma!!!)

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
97. I note you aren't talking about the daughter he has with Jane...the one who
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:54 AM
Apr 2016

was put on the Burlington College payroll offering a woodworking degree once her mother was running the college...... if you Google it you can see how many hundreds of thousands she was paid.

That woodworking degree program was dropped after Jane Sanders was terminated.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
50. If nothing else, I can see where Sanders can partially fund college for everyone.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:28 PM
Apr 2016

Just take Clinton family speaking fees, and you've got a good start.

Newkularblue

(130 posts)
67. The worst part about this
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:25 PM
Apr 2016

Is that some people just dont understand how fucking WRONG this is..

Thats more than 2.5 people working full time for $12/hr could make in a year..

Or, if you like. One person working over 2.5 YEARS




Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
79. there are several posters on this thread who either don't get the inherent question of this
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:22 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton speech-making money machine...what does she have to say?...at $6500/minute?

or just want to play the adversarial card and defend the amount as being merely a standard fee in the speech-making market while ignoring any question about the 'worth' of the speech...

the disconnect is obvious...and probably intentional...

surprised, well not really, that there are so many on DU who are of the 'let them eat cake' mindset...i wish they would just post 'LTEC' and quit using their limited imagination in trying to justify certain inequities in our system as being 'the way it is...' and that it is totally fine and that anyone who doesn't actually get any cake is just envious, etc....

the guillotine was not erected by the 'little people' in France...however, at one point some elites found themselves in the cart on the way to the block...

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
84. It is total bullshit she would get paid like this to speak. If this is not buying influence, then
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:40 PM
Apr 2016

I don't know what is.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
81. She must be a great speaker.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:35 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe she and her parents could publish a volume of their collected speeches.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
89. Does Chelsea even have any skills?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:36 AM
Apr 2016

It's pretty clear the only thing special about her is she's another way to get access to her parents.

Response to jfern (Reply #89)

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
94. That's what they offered.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:06 AM
Apr 2016

By the way, when are those Goldman Sachs transcripts to be made available to the public?

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
101. That reminds me
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

Didn't Clinton take a quarter million for a single speech at a public university while the student body was in the midst of protesting yet another massive tuition hike?

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
105. Now now. Chelsea doesn't care about money.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:23 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary Clinton insists she isn’t “well-off” and now daughter Chelsea, according to a recent interview, claims she couldn't care less about money.

“I was curious if I could care about (money) on some fundamental level, and I couldn’t,” she told Fast Company in an interview that ran in the magazine's May edition, explaining why she gave up lucrative gigs to join her family’s philanthropic foundation.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/chelsea-clinton-care-money-article-1.1840138

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
111. Chelsea Clinton, Vice Chair of the Clinton Foundation.Foundation has benefited millions of people
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:44 AM
Apr 2016
As only a few examples, because of the Clinton Foundation’s work, more than 31,000 American schools are providing kids with healthy food choices in an effort to eradicate childhood obesity; more than 105,000 farmers in Malawi, Rwanda, and Tanzania are benefiting from climate-smart agronomic training, higher yields, and increased market access; over 450,000 people have been impacted through market opportunities created by social enterprises in Latin America, the Caribbean, and Asia; an estimated 85 million people in the U.S. will be reached through strategic health partnerships developed across industry sectors at both the local and national level; and through the independent Clinton Health Access Initiative, 9.9 million people in more than 70 countries have access to CHAI-negotiated price for HIV/AIDS medications.



 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
116. But she doesn't seem to know anything . . .
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:52 PM
Apr 2016

And I don't mean that to be disparaging. I honestly haven't seen any video of her where I've thought, "Oh, she totally knows what she's talking about."

I know people will want to chime in with, "But Stanford!" I'm not denying she's an intelligent woman. I'm just saying . . . she doesn't seem to know anything. People can simultaneously be very bright and woefully ignorant.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
117. We want the Chelsea transcripts!
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:31 AM
Apr 2016

Just kidding. Not really.

I wish the threads I post about how people should ignore nonsense and just push ISSUES because then Sanders will win big would get as much attention as this one.

Not that it's not substantive in a way - absolutely indicative of the problems we are fighting. The money power versus the people power!

Buns_of_Fire

(17,174 posts)
120. "Hello, I'm Chelsea Clinton." (Thunderous applause)
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:49 AM
Apr 2016

"Today, I'd like to speak to you about the importance of voting." (More applause, standing ovation)

"It's critically important that people in a democratic society vote, to KEEP it a democratic society." (Screams from the balcony, people swooning, chants of "Chelsea! Chelsea!&quot

"And I'd like to recommend that you vote for... MY MOTHER!" (The crowd goes wild, stamping their feet, throwing chairs, rending their garments, spontaneously marching around the auditorium)

"I see my ten minutes are up. Thank you for your attention." (Leaves stage, visibly exhausted)

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