2016 Postmortem
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Sandy Hook family member @EricaSmegs wants Bernie Sanders to apologize over gun stance.
https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/717786454668259330
Info about gun manufacturers immunity:
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/06/446348616/fact-check-are-gun-makers-totally-free-of-liability-for-their-behavior
Clinton is wrong that gun manufacturers have no liability for their products, but she's right that they have unique protections from lawsuits that most other businesses and particularly consumer product-makers do not.
revbones
(3,660 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)But she wasn't trying to use them as an attack until now right? It was just as a way to illegitimately bolster herself. Now it's that and an attack as she's trying to associate Bernie with the Sandy Hook tragedy itself.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)As much as I have detested Hillary Clinton I did not expect something this sleazy. Bernie has passed on opportunities to pile on her about the FBI/email issue and now she pulls this. And it's a really stupid strategy that just reinforces who she is. Take a look at the responses under her tweet on this. She is getting killed.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)maybe we could pass a law to protect them from frivolous suits too.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Let's say a car manufacturer starts selling a car that doesn't have door locks or require an ignition key.
Would you say that someone who was hit by a stolen one would not have a claim that the car was designed poorly?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)unproven biometric technology so that the next time a kid kills his mother and takes her gun, which he already had access too and presumably would have been indexed, he won't take his stolen gun and kill people.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Would GM be liable?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I did not realize that it was mandatory for guns to be sold only in combination with anti-theft devices.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You can't buy a car that lacks anti-theft features.
There is no requirement that a gun owner even have them.
You are probably not old enough to remember when hospitals would let new parents leave without proving they had a safety seat in the car.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)I see them all over EBay
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Bernie has made it clear on many occasions that the manufacturer of an improperly designed product, such as a gun with a safety lock that didn't work, should be sued. Another example would be a company that manufactured a gun in a way that they knew made it easy to retrofit into an automatic weapon in the aftermarket.
The distinction he's making is that if you make a legal product that is properly designed, it is sold through legal channels, and then somebody misuses it, then you should not be sued as the manufacturer. As he said in one of the debates, if you're going to allow somebody to be sued for making a legal product, then we should be having a different conversation - to make the product illegal.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Do you think that every product that is the subject of a successful liability suit is pulled off of the market?
Do you actually think that only "illegal" products are the subject of product liability suits?
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)You wouldn't sue GM if you were intentionally run over, by a properly functioning Malibu, driven by a car jacker
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Is that why people steal cars?
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Surly GM must be responsible for the owner having his car stolen and your mangled body
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)People steal guns to protect themselves from thieves.
Got it.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Some might even murder their mothers before stealing those guns to commit more murders
DebDoo
(319 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Nor are vehicles explicitly protected with constitutional amendments. You've got some work to do to repeal it. Better get started.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)In fact, it won't be long until it is common for law enforcement to have the ability to disable stolen vehicles. That feature of some cars has already been used.
And that type of evolution is a feature of the system.
Today, it would be unimaginable for a car not to have locks and a key.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Sometimes people takes cars by force
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)So because it is possible to steal cars in other ways, they shouldn't have locks or ignition keys.
Got it.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)They do not stop all car thefts, but they significantly reduce car thefts.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)If GM sold a car that didn't have locks and ignition keys, then hell yes they'd be held liable.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Because the manufacture of products takes place in an environment where failing to stay reasonably current in the state of relevant safety measures can lead to significant liability.
It is why the design of many products changes over time.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)here I thought they were just old anti theft features
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)So, let's recap - while the purpose of s car is to transport people, and they are principally not stolen for the purpose of harming others, they nonetheless come with anti-theft features built in. In order to operate one, a license is issued to persons who have passed a test of their understanding of the laws governing their use and have demonstrated their ability and fitness to operate one.
And you'd like to make some kind of analogy here?
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)of one of its manufactured vehicles should it be stolen from its rightful owner or even criminal misuse BY its rightful owner.
Car thief steals it, runs you down for the giggles. owner gets drunk, runs you down while his license is suspended because you look like someone who kicked his childhood dog
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)How can you hold a manufacturer liable for what someone else does with a legal product that the public has a right to purchase?
Sanders has the right approach, we need strong gun control laws. We need better screening of gun purchasers.
Joob
(1,065 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)And that's a product that isn't intended to be used to kill.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)sued the gun manufacturers. The fact that Hillary is using this literally a day after her staff said she would disqualify and destroy Bernie's campaign shows her true intentions.
frylock
(34,825 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Thats pretty fucked up guys. Knock it off.
amborin
(16,631 posts)it is unspeakably cruel, callous, sociopathic to politically exploit this tragedy the way Hillary is doing. She has not the slightest bit of empathy or decency. What a brutally cold, indecent, horrible thing to do; she is making these poor parents suffer all the more, for her own selfish and sociopathic political gain
pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)amborin
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