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pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:19 AM Apr 2016

Has a Senator from a large, diverse state ever gone on to become Secretary of State?

Or a Senator from any state? Has any Senator gone on to become Secretary of State?

And then been deemed "unqualified" by a primary opponent?

Of course it's only a coincidence that the person whose qualifications are denigrated is a woman.



And no, Bernie, she didn't say it first. Listen to the video. She said you WERE qualified. But you couldn't wait to go on the attack.

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Has a Senator from a large, diverse state ever gone on to become Secretary of State? (Original Post) pnwmom Apr 2016 OP
James Buchanan had a very impressive resume, and was a terrible President jfern Apr 2016 #1
That doesn't answer my question. And you seem to be taking the odd position pnwmom Apr 2016 #2
I didn't make any such position. Just that an impressive resume doesn't mean you'd be a good Preside jfern Apr 2016 #3
Thank you. But did anyone else in his party ever suggest that Buchanan was unqualified, pnwmom Apr 2016 #6
I doubt incumbent President Franklin Pierce that he defeated in the primary was a fan jfern Apr 2016 #9
They called him "unfit" and "incompetent." joshcryer Apr 2016 #14
Nope - he didn't say it first. revbones Apr 2016 #4
No, Fallon didn't. It was the interviewer who pressed her and she wouldn't take the bait. pnwmom Apr 2016 #5
Nope, you're wrong. Please admit it. revbones Apr 2016 #7
That is a very misleading paraphrase of what Reynolds actually said, which was in your link: pnwmom Apr 2016 #10
So the Hillary argument is that she didn't use the exact word "unqualified" revbones Apr 2016 #11
It is very different to make a personal, global judgment, like "unqualified," as opposed to saying pnwmom Apr 2016 #13
Yeah, sure. That's what they did... nt revbones Apr 2016 #15
"I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House... Fumesucker Apr 2016 #8
We only need to consider the source RandySF Apr 2016 #12
She disqualified herself through horrible judgement and questionable (at best) ethics. Scuba Apr 2016 #16

jfern

(5,204 posts)
1. James Buchanan had a very impressive resume, and was a terrible President
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:21 AM
Apr 2016

It included serving for a number of a years as Senator from a large state (Pennsylvania) and then being Secretary of State for 4 years. But there was a lot more to it.

pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
2. That doesn't answer my question. And you seem to be taking the odd position
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:23 AM
Apr 2016

that qualifications lower the chance of being a good President.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
3. I didn't make any such position. Just that an impressive resume doesn't mean you'd be a good Preside
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:23 AM
Apr 2016

Also, I added more to my post that you might have missed.

pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
6. Thank you. But did anyone else in his party ever suggest that Buchanan was unqualified,
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:27 AM
Apr 2016

or is Bernie the first to use this word against a former Senator and Secretary of State?

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
14. They called him "unfit" and "incompetent."
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:41 AM
Apr 2016

Not sure if "unqualified" was in the verbiage back then. Presidential races weren't quite like running for class President as they are these days.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
4. Nope - he didn't say it first.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:23 AM
Apr 2016

Her campaign communications director explicitly said it for her first.

pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
5. No, Fallon didn't. It was the interviewer who pressed her and she wouldn't take the bait.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:26 AM
Apr 2016

Then others in the media falsely paraphrased the exchange, and Bernie did take the bait.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
7. Nope, you're wrong. Please admit it.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:28 AM
Apr 2016
A Clinton campaign fundraising appeal after the Wisconsin primary offered a glimpse into the new approach. The campaign's deputy communications director, Christina Reynolds, argued that Sanders is unqualified, sending a full transcript of a New York Daily News editorial board interview of Sanders.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democrats-unity/index.html

pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
10. That is a very misleading paraphrase of what Reynolds actually said, which was in your link:
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:33 AM
Apr 2016
"We've said for a long time that this primary is about who's really going to be able to get things done. And from reading this interview, you get the impression Senator Sanders hasn't thought very much about that," Reynolds wrote. "In fact, even on his signature issue of breaking up the banks, he's unable to answer basic questions about how he'd go about doing it, and even seems uncertain whether a president does or doesn't already have that authority under existing law."

She added: "If you want to know why Hillary's experience and deep understanding of the issues facing American families matter so much, you should read this."


Neither Hillary nor Reynolds said that Bernie was unqualified.
 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
11. So the Hillary argument is that she didn't use the exact word "unqualified"
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:36 AM
Apr 2016

but every synonym and way of saying it without the exact word - and that is somehow different from using the one word?

pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
13. It is very different to make a personal, global judgment, like "unqualified," as opposed to saying
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:38 AM
Apr 2016

that a candidate isn't informed on specific issues.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
8. "I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:29 AM
Apr 2016

And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.."

RandySF

(58,387 posts)
12. We only need to consider the source
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:36 AM
Apr 2016

I don't take seriously someone with such a scarce record. Especially someone who only recently joined the party so he can take advantage of its infrastructure.

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