The Anti-Noise Machine

[H2O Man]

I’m sure that many people here received an e-mail from Jeff Weaver, the Sanders Campaign Manager, regarding an event last night in Colorado. But, for those who may have missed it, I would like to share some of its contents.

Last night, Hillary hosted a fund-raiser in a state that has already caucused. The top seats went for $27,000; others paid $2,700 for their seats.

“But a crazy thing happened when she got ready to speak. Her campaign actually ‘turned on a static noise machine’ pointed at the press so they couldn’t hear what she was saying to the financial elite in attendance.”

I’m sure that the Clinton supporters on this forum think that is just dandy. I’m not as confident that they would have approved if, say, George W. Bush had done the same thing in 2000 or 2004. But they seem to use an ethical slide-ruler to measure what is okay for a candidate to do.

As a supporter of Bernie Sanders, I find that objectionable. It reinforces the belief that Hillary’s message to the elite is not only different from her message to the peasants classes, but has to be kept extra-super-secret.

Peace,
H2O Man

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

1. Yep it is true... I posted a youtube video of it in this other post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511677584

The Hillary spin was that this is a lie because it is impossible Dr. Who technology that won't exist for another 30 years....

[H2O Man]

8. Thank you!

[1StrongBlackMan]

2. Has the press that were in attendance reported on this?

[NWCorona]

6. Fyi

[1StrongBlackMan]

14. I mean other than the guy making the claim?

I tend to disbelieve people that claims something happened that only they saw ... and that make a videos with editorial comments posted to said video to prove their point.

But that's just me ...

[NWCorona]

15. I thought I put the link in. Sorry

The video I liked came from this repoter

https://twitter.com/StanBushTV/status/718241724057915393

[1StrongBlackMan]

21. That's the guy that reported it ... There were other members of the press there ...

did any of them report on it.

I'm pretty sure if they were hearing things ... and then, sudden, were unable anything, they would have talked among themselves about it and reported on it.

[NWCorona]

23. Good question but it seems like he was there tho

This will simmer over the weekend and we will find out soon enough what really happened.

It's not a good look if it turns out to be true.

[1StrongBlackMan]

25. This will simmer much longer as conspiracy theories travel around the world ...

and are repeated over and over again ... before reality logs on in the morning.

[NWCorona]

27. I don't really see the conspiracy angle

It's not like it was a super private meeting or something.

For me it's not a question of what she said but why she chose to use this device.

[1StrongBlackMan]

33. Or ...

IF she chose to use this device. That's my point!

[NWCorona]

36. It very well might not have been Hillary but the organizer

Who knows but this has been in the media for awhile and I haven't seen a response from the campaign yet.
Granted I'm not looking to hard.

[1StrongBlackMan]

38. Or, it didn't happen.

[NWCorona]

39. True! I never said with certainty that it did indeed happen.

I posted a satire article on this from gizmodo and they mentioned that they reached out to Hillary for a comment.

I'm willing to wait and see.

[H2O Man]

42. It's not.

Calling it a "conspiracy theory" is a weak attempt to dismiss it. Rather than deal with the real issue, all energy is invested in an attempt to discredit those who have spoken about it.

[Octafish]

97. People who don't like the message, often like to say "conspiracy theorist.''

Works like a charm to shut down discussion. What a coincidence!

[1StrongBlackMan]

108. And people that don't like reality, seek conspiracies ...

What a coincidence.

[Octafish]

113. That's why shining a noise generator at the press is SO troubling.

Keeping what is said to the rich people who benefit so much from government action secret is undemocratic. Since we don't know what was said, we can't tell if there's anything criminal to worry about.

Here's why I think that there may be something to think about:

The Clintons Have Not Changed: The Clintonian War on the IGs

By William K. Black
February 23, 2016 Bloomington, MN

Secretary Hillary Clinton is asking Democratic voters to believe that she has experienced a “Road to Damascus” conversion from her roots as a leader of the “New Democrats” – the Wall Street wing of the Democratic Party. When exactly this conversion occurred is never stated, but an interesting fact has emerged that demonstrates it did not occur during her service as the Secretary of State. A Wall Street Journal story provides the key facts, but none of the analysis.

Newly released emails indicate that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her top staff were involved in the selection process for the State Department’s internal watchdog, a position that ultimately went unfilled throughout her four-year tenure.

The WSJ’s angle is that such involvement in the selection of the Inspector General (IG) is a threat to the IG’s vital independence. True, and also true as the story notes that Hillary was far from rare as an agency or department head in seeking to select behind the scenes the supposedly independent IGs.

The function of the IG is to “speak truth to power.” Naturally, “power” hates IGs with a purple passion. Government leaders are most likely to hate having its abuses made public by IG when the government leader is secretly acting in concert with immensely powerful private leaders for their mutual benefit at the expense of the public.

What the WSJ missed is that the Clinton’s, for decades, have sought to destroy the independence and effectiveness of the IGs precisely because of the threat that they pose of blowing the whistle on these abuses. The Obama administration, of course, is famous for its prosecutions of those who blow the whistle on such abuses. The real story is not that Hillary attempted to select a lap dog as IG – the real story is that for her entire tenure as Secretary, four years, she left unfilled the leadership position of the only institution in the State Department dedicated to maintaining integrity and preventing the abuse of public power to aid cronies. That aid, of course, comes with the clear expectation that the cronies will make the head of the State Department wealthy as soon as she or he steps down. There is no possible defense for that, and it does not happen accidentally. The primary blame goes to President Obama, who made no nomination for the position for the entire four years. It wasn’t Republican intransigence that explains this scandal.

CONTINUED...

http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2016/03/clintons-not-changed-clintonian-war-igs.html#more-10101

Bill Black is one of "those" economists who won't play ball with the money crowd. Why? He does things in the open. Coincidentally, of course.

[1StrongBlackMan]

114. Shouldn't that read ...

That's why for those willing, and wanting, to believe that there was a shining of a noise generator at the press is SO troubling.

IF it occurred, I would agree that it was outrageous conduct ... but, it has yet to be established that anything nefarious occurred.

[Octafish]

118. No, that's what happened. Your mis- or disinformation enters doubt it.

You can chose not to believe it. Whatever. Not my business.

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/video_static_prevents_reporters_from_hearing_what_clinton_20160409

[1StrongBlackMan]

119. LOL ... Okay.

[Autumn]

29. The "guy" who reported it is a local reporter for KCNC TV in Denver,

where her fund raiser was. I imagine any media person there could have reported it... or not. The local reporter chose to report on it . If it's bothersome to you, and to put your mind at rest look to see who else was there and ask them for verification. Unless one of the other reporters decides to send out a press release saying the reporter is lying, it happened. And that is so Hillary.

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. I have done a quick internet search and he is the only one reporting having problems ...

the others reporting on the fundraiser, local and national, don't seem to have been effected.

Unless one of the other reporters decides to send out a press release saying the reporter is lying, it happened.

I suspect they are too busy rolling their eyes ... and probably, now chuckling, to send out such a press release ... unless ... They're are all a part of the conspiracy!

[Autumn]

40. Well I haven't caught any of our local reporters in a lie yet. I'm still waiting for your

national MSM to report that there were no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq and ISIS was not in Iraq before the US invaded them. Nothing yet but hey it could happen some day.

[Uncle Joe]

44. I haven't seen the national corporate media conglomerates cover the Arizona voter suppression

on television yet either.

I have seen it on a couple of websites by CNN and local television reporting in Arizona.

[H2O Man]

45. A fair question might be

which of the "national reporters" were at the event? It doesn't seem that fund-raisers tend to get much coverage, especially those held in states where the primary/caucus is past.

The fact that no "national reporter" has documented what Hillary said to her friends and associates at Goldman Sachs is not evidence, for example, that she never spoke to them. But if we followed the "logic" posed here, we could certainly conclude that she: (a) threatened to prosecute them for breaking the law; (b) demanded that they return the money they stole from the American public; and (c) has never even heard of Goldman Sachs.

[1StrongBlackMan]

54. Yeah, right. ...

My msm ...

[Autumn]

57. Well you do seem to be looking to them for proof.

[1StrongBlackMan]

59. Well ... they would be the only ones ...

That could confirm the reporter's story.

[Autumn]

63. They could I imagine. Maybe they just figured it would be of no interest to their viewers.

The MSM does that a lot, can't imagine why.

[1StrongBlackMan]

68. Okay. eom.

[thesquanderer]

115. I'd like to see some independent verification as well.

But so far, it seems only one person claims to have witnessed this, and I don't think one person can qualify as a conspiracy.

[1StrongBlackMan]

117. LOL ... But what about the 40,000 DU re-posts of it? ...

And the 100,000 recs and arguments that it is/might be true?

All conspiracy theories start with a single claim and a bunch of "yeps".

[joshcryer]

107. It's very possible they didn't pick it up.

This guy was obviously using a shotgun ranged mic with a telephoto lens. It's just as likely one guy picked it up. You can expect more to try this as time goes on to see what's up. Reporters aren't terrible people.

[1StrongBlackMan]

111. I don't think reporters are terrible people.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

16. Someone analyzed the sound compared with white noise...

And came to conclusion white noise is being pumped out to drown out the speech. See how it looks like the White noise is being blended into the sound from the speech video.

[1StrongBlackMan]

22. Who is "someone"?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

24. On twitter

Just looked at it in an audio tool like Adobe audition

[1StrongBlackMan]

26. Are you seeing a pattern here?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

30. Well you are welcome to open the Clinton clip and generate white noise and compare yourself...

Or are you just going to reject anything that is said because it will be bad for Clinton?

[1StrongBlackMan]

37. Well ... No I can't ...

Well you are welcome to open the Clinton clip and generate white noise and compare yourself...

I would have no idea how I would do that.

Or are you just going to reject anything that is said because it will be bad for Clinton?

No ... I'm just suspect of people that claims something happened that only they saw/experienced though other people were there ... and that make a videos with editorial comments posted to said video to prove their point.

[noiretextatique]

58. Yeah...a refusal to accept reality

Seems to be a big problem for Clinton supporters.

[1StrongBlackMan]

60. Conspiracy theories are rarely reality.

[noiretextatique]

61. Just because you don't believe the reporter

Does not mean it is a conspiracy theory.

[1StrongBlackMan]

67. And just because you choose to believe him ...

Doesn't mean it's not.

[1StrongBlackMan]

88. I'm labelling this a C/T because it is hard to believe that ...

so many would believe that this reporter reported experiencing something that no one else present experienced ... and the proof of the conspiracy (per the believers) is no one in the MSM has reported on what they didn't experience.

I'm sorry ...

[1StrongBlackMan]

94. Okay ... I apologize and will self-delete ...

despite my firm belief that this "static noise machine" meme is beyond ridiculous.

ETA: Nope ... I'm not going to self-delete ... when you are willing to accept/defend craziness as truth, you should expect to be laughed at.

But, take heart ... should the craziness turn out to be true, you get the last laugh.

[grasswire]

106. you can't say that "no one else present experienced" this.

You might say that no one reported. But you can't say truthfully that no one experienced it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

110. That is true ...

But I would think that a gaggle of reporters that suddenly got shut out would report on it.

[Fumesucker]

3. I'm fine with it, when people tell you who they are you should listen to them

Hillary was certainly telling we lumpenproletariat who she is with that noise machine.

[haikugal]

5. Exactly...we know who she is. nt

[H2O Man]

46. Right.

[guillaumeb]

4. What could she have said that she is afraid for the voters to hear?

And why was this not covered on the news?

[H2O Man]

9. Good questons.

In regard to your second question, it would almost seem that the corporate media has an agenda, which dictates the quality of their reporting.

[1StrongBlackMan]

18. Or, perhaps it didn't happen?

I tend to disbelieve people that claim something happened and only they saw it ... no one else.

Especially when they post a video like the one going around.

[Bluenorthwest]

84. And yet you bought Capehart's fictions about those protest photos, Capehart not even born when they

were taken gave his gossip testimony and that was enough. The fact that esteemed photographer Danny Lyon said the photos were of Bernie was discounted in favor of some stuff Jonathan was saying. Capehart's source was a woman who was not there at all either. He and his boosters in media and on DU rejected the actual witnesses and actual records and took up as fact a bunch of crap said by people who were not there, not born, just not valid sources at all.

Consistency is very important when trying to sell a persona. If you happily accept the single sourced gossip of Capehart it is not consistent to then demand that other stories have several sources and specific sorts of sources. 'When it serves me, I'm fine with taking the word of one guy who was not present based on the word of one woman who was also not present. When it does not serve me, I demand multiple verified sources, video and sworn depositions!!!!'


Situational ethics are not really ethics at all.

[bigtree]

87. and the fact that NONE of the major news orgs have picked this up

...just the usual right-wing suspects like Townhall.

This has to be the most absurd, bizarre charge of the campaign.

[1StrongBlackMan]

90. I don't believe it is a charge of the campaign ...

in fact, I suspect the campaign is saying, "Dude, STFU! Don't help me, help the bear!"*

* Old saying regarding help that ain't helping : "If you see me and a bear in a fight, cover my ass with honey and help the bear."

But the scary thing is ... the willingness of some corners of DU to believe this stuff, even to the point of saying the proof of the conspiracy is that the MSM hasn't reported on what they didn't experience.

[bigtree]

92. I meant campaign in a general sense

...like election.

But, you're right, over 100 recs from folks who likely couldn't identify a 'noise machine' placed in front of them, but willing to believe an uncorroborated and oblique description of one from a lone newsman. I think it's the function of an echo chamber of supporters who haven't been held as accountable as they've rendered Hillary supporters' posts - with punitive hides for 'debunked' charges from the Clinton camp and free passes for unproven and often false accusations from the Sanders contingent here.

The imbalance has emboldened them to talk down to Clinton supporters, questioning their values and integrity while promoting their own as superior and unassailable.

But, yeah, this 'noise machine' accusation is some serious silly-season shite.

[TheFarS1de]

11. We don't really have news anymore .

Just opinions and propaganda . When Sanders wins this it isn't only the banks that need breaking up .

[HughLefty1]

32. Mainly we just have paid endorsers posing as 'news' these days

Almost all of them bought and paid for

[myrna minx]

7. K&R

[H2O Man]

47. Thanks

[Vincardog]

10. Her message is no secret, it is "Don't pay any attention to what I say on the campaign.We all good"

Nudge nudged, wink wink, say nothing more
:IamTouchingMyNose:

[H2O Man]

48. I agree

[mindwalker_i]

12. Remember the transcripts?

Somebody with skillz and stuff should take a pdf and apply an airbrush or image randomizer to the text (probably have to convert to bitmap), so that it's unreadable. Then send that out as Hillary releasing her transcripts.

Use a middle finger as a watermark

[H2O Man]

49. Yep!

[sadoldgirl]

13. Sounds even more paranoid than Nixon

if that is possible.

[H2O Man]

50. I have found

myself noting that and other similarities.

[Milestone]

17. She guards her words to the elite

better than she does our nations secrets. Kinda scary that.

[KoKo]

19. It always seems to be about HER...

What else can one say about what drives her.

Bernie is "About the People." What better contrast can there be?

As the Campaign goes on it...becomes more and more obvious.

As You Say:

As a supporter of Bernie Sanders, I find that objectionable. It reinforces the belief that Hillary’s message to the elite is not only different from her message to the peasants classes, but has to be kept extra-super-secret.

[H2O Man]

52. Exactly.

Thank you.

[H2O Man]

51. Great point!

[Little_Wing]

20. K&R

[H2O Man]

53. Thanks!

[Kalidurga]

28. I think her message is more than clear

She tells BLM that she will only talk to white people. Bill says that BLM is giving comfort to murderers. She says I don't care that people are dying over not being able to cover co-pays. She says that free college is a bad idea cuz rich people might take advantage. She takes money from some of the worst industries as far as environmental abuse goes. She says Iraq was a business opportunity or maybe it was Libya or both doesn't matter bombs for bucks even once is terrible. So what exactly could she have said at that function that would be worse than what we already know?

[H2O Man]

55. Well said.

[GreatGazoo]

31. not that different from the "noise machine" they use on the internet

A wall of deflections, propaganda and bogus charges of sexism and misogyny no matter what the actual issue.

[H2O Man]

56. You are right.

We see it here on DU:GDP, for that matter.

[Time for change]

34. I agree absolutely

Do people really believe that she is getting all that money from multi-millionaires and billionaires and not planning to pay them back in return, at the expense of the rest of us?

[H2O Man]

41. The sad thing is

that many of our friends here have actually made themselves believe what is unbelievable. Indeed, they are willing to accept that which is unacceptable. And they are willing -- no! eager -- to vote for a candidate who represents the very things they would oppose in any other candidate.

[Time for change]

126. Yes -- so sad!

[bigtree]

43. he's been caught in several lies this week

...and this smells like bull.

Look who's reporting this as fact: Gawker, Daily Mail. Examiner...all the usual suspects.

[EndElectoral]

62. Any Democrat who thinks this is acceptable behavior for a candidate is just plain wrong.

[H2O Man]

71. Definitely.

It would be unacceptable if a republican did it. It reminds me of Mitt's 47% solution.

[1StrongBlackMan]

93. Anyone buying this, Democrat or otherwise, is ... well ...

[laserhaas]

64. Goldman Sachs deliberately destroyed our eToys public co.

And no one taking millions from Wall Street is ever going to do anything about it.
.
Help U.S. oh Bernin one
............................................You ARE our only hope for justice
.

[H2O Man]

72. Right.

[laserhaas]

65. Hope someone there transcribes

Wouldn't that be something?

[H2O Man]

73. I hope so.

[artislife]

69. Transparency: "Er... no thanks." says hill

This just gets weirder and weirder, still.

[H2O Man]

74. As it becomes weirder,

it also comes into sharper focus.

[laserhaas]

78. Hey...they can get away with ANYthin

Since trickle down really meant

"We'll steal it all...pissing on them..and call it trickle down"

As the laughed at U.S. all...too scorn

Oligarchs now know they csn get away with ...ANY thing

[Scuba]

70. Yeah, but the Clinton News Network didn't report it, so it's just a conspiracy theory ...

... being pushed by Berniebros. Only the Clinton News Network reports are real; everything else is just lies made up by women haters.

[H2O Man]

75. Right.

If Walter Cronkite hasn't reported on it, there's no way it actually happened. Life is simpler this way.

[laserhaas]

77. Moi became disheartened to learn the Vkice of America

Was a tool.....too

[Scuba]

79. I was 15 when JFK was shot and I figured out our media was lying to us within a few months.

The media's total dismissal of Jack Ruby killing Lee Harvey Oswald being a conspiracy was a real eye-opener. They never touched it but instead went with the "Ruby wanted to save Jackie the anguish of a trial" bullshit.

After that, Gulf of Tonkin smelled from the get-go.

“The heaviest restriction upon the freedom of public opinion is not the official censorship of a press, but the unofficial censorship by a press which exists not so much to express opinion as to manufacture it.”

Dorothy L. Sayers
1893-1957

British writer, essayist, playwright and translator.

[H2O Man]

80. Minister Malcolm X used

to say that if you believe the media, you'll be carrying an umbrella on a sunny day, and getting soaked on a rainy day. I figure the public has been soaked by the media for some time.

[Scuba]

83. So true, so pointed and so confirmed by the media's broad complicity in smearing him.

[laserhaas]

76. All main stream media has become faux propaganda news

We are the real news networks

[raouldukelives]

81. It is best we don't know what is best for us. nt

[H2O Man]

98. Right!

(Just got in from today's "door-to-door" campaigning.)

[Bad Thoughts]

86. Hillary Clinton is a Noise Machine

She and her husband produce insubstantial speech that lacks meaning and solidity designed to misinform allies, ingratiate themselves to donors, and put down progressives. It is a style that destabilizes American political rhetoric.

[H2O Man]

99. Well said!

[Octafish]

89. Undemocratic as all get out.

If one can't share the message with everybody, there is something of special interest to the special interests.

Great post, H2O Man.

[H2O Man]

100. Yep.

Two of my cousins and I put some more hours in going door-to-door today. The people we encountered all had one thing in common: they want real change in our nation. We covered a neighborhood that combines "low income" and "student" housing.

[Zorra]

95. Recommend.

Maybe she learned a lesson from Mitt Romney's damaging "47 percent" comment to his "wealthy contributors only"?

Bet Mitt wishes he had the foresight to use a noise machine at this event with his wealthy contributors:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser

[H2O Man]

101. There you go!

It reminded me of Willard Romney's 47% solution, too.

[Arugula Latte]

102. That was my first thought, too.

Can't let the peons hear what the Masters of the Universe think of them.

[nichomachus]

103. I always thought Hillary was enough of a noise machine

I know that whenever she babbles on, all I can hear is static.

[H2O Man]

120. Thanks!

[retrowire]

104. But the Hillary supporters would rather freak out over Bernie and the Vatican. nt

[H2O Man]

121. Right.

The Vatican "controversy" is rather amusing.

[JEB]

105. Release the transcripts. eom

[H2O Man]

122. Right!

[kgnu_fan]

109. ...

[H2O Man]

123. Thanks!

[Skwmom]

112. If you aren't upset, it's called being a HYPOCRITE.

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[H2O Man]

124. Seriously.

Yet some of our friends here are okay with it.

[NorthCarolina]

116. Maybe it wasn't white noise, just the

sounds of our reptilian overlords which are inaudible to the human ear.

Maybe.

[H2O Man]

125. True.

It might have been the echo of Mitt's 47% comment.