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Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:50 PM

Are there women in any of the top leadership roles at the Vatican?

If not, why?

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Reply Are there women in any of the top leadership roles at the Vatican? (Original post)
LexVegas Apr 2016 OP
WhiteTara Apr 2016 #1
LexVegas Apr 2016 #3
WhiteTara Apr 2016 #11
Time for change Apr 2016 #58
haikugal Apr 2016 #25
WhiteTara Apr 2016 #30
haikugal Apr 2016 #33
WhiteTara Apr 2016 #38
haikugal Apr 2016 #40
WhiteTara Apr 2016 #44
CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2016 #2
Joob Apr 2016 #4
H2O Man Apr 2016 #5
WhiteTara Apr 2016 #12
scscholar Apr 2016 #41
WhiteTara Apr 2016 #45
WhiteTara Apr 2016 #46
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #57
scscholar Apr 2016 #59
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #60
NWCorona Apr 2016 #6
KPN Apr 2016 #14
GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #7
peacebird Apr 2016 #18
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #8
peacebird Apr 2016 #19
haikugal Apr 2016 #22
joshcryer Apr 2016 #27
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #36
joshcryer Apr 2016 #48
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #49
joshcryer Apr 2016 #51
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #52
joshcryer Apr 2016 #55
wendylaroux Apr 2016 #54
angstlessk Apr 2016 #9
GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #10
TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #16
WhiteTara Apr 2016 #35
TheFarS1de Apr 2016 #37
rachacha Apr 2016 #13
Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #15
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #20
Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #31
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #43
mainer Apr 2016 #17
angstlessk Apr 2016 #23
haikugal Apr 2016 #21
AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #24
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #26
Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #29
seabeyond Apr 2016 #28
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #39
polly7 Apr 2016 #42
Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #32
cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #34
mainer Apr 2016 #47
nichomachus Apr 2016 #50
smiley Apr 2016 #53
wendylaroux Apr 2016 #56
Avalux Apr 2016 #61
Armstead Apr 2016 #62
morningfog Apr 2016 #63

Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:52 PM

1. ...

This is the ultimate boys club. Women clean up after them, that is all. There are some women in organization associated with the Vatican, but the Vatican remains off limits to women.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:53 PM

3. Do they think they arent qualified? What gives? nt

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:01 PM

11. What qualifies cardinals, bishops and priests

is a penis. Did you read about the Burning Times? Women (and gays) were burned at the stake by the Church and the Inquisition was a way to remove women from any position of power and wealth. The Church has become "enlightened" and no longer murders women for being witches, but they are far from giving women any role in their club.

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 09:50 PM

58. I am not Catholic and I believe that women should have just as much role as men in any

religious organization if they want it.

But that does not negate the tremendous contribution that our current Pope has made to the social justice movement or that he thought enough of Bernie's potential role in that movement to have him invited to the Vatican.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:16 PM

25. Well they have a few other uses...just as children do. nt

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Response to haikugal (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:21 PM

30. Yes the only roles allowed women in the Church

is mother and whore. I know the current pope is "liberal" and loved, but the Church is still a horror.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #30)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:22 PM

33. Religion is a horror that turns otherwise normal people into zombies.

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Response to haikugal (Reply #33)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:25 PM

38. Wasn't it Marx who said

Religion is the opiate of the people?

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #38)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:26 PM

40. I think opiates are less damaging.

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Response to haikugal (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:28 PM

44. they could be since

zombies come back from the dead again and again.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:53 PM

2. I would have to say, probably not.

Why not?

Where have you been? The Vatican is the home base of one of the most misogynistic organizations ever.

Women can't be priests, never mind being in a position of power and influence in the Vatican.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:54 PM

4. Nope, guess bernie is sexist for going there now nt

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:54 PM

5. The Virgin Mary?

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:03 PM

12. She is considered a "vessel"

and plays a minor role.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:27 PM

41. And that is the type of crap Bernie...

 

is supporting by supporting them.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #41)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:30 PM

45. I somehow don't think he sees it that way

but as a great honor to be chosen as a participant in a forum on inequality. I'm sure he'll cherish his picture with the Pope though.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #41)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:32 PM

46. I somehow don't think he sees it that way

but as a great honor to be chosen as a participant in a forum on inequality. I'm sure he'll cherish his picture with the Pope though. Besides Rome should be beautiful this time of year.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #41)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:30 PM

57. You know who else supports the pope?



You were saying?

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #57)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:57 PM

59. OK, so a DINO supports him...

 

that doesn't mean that we should.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #59)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:58 PM

60. Obama is a DINO now?


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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:54 PM

6. How is this primary related

Unless you are trying to pin this on Bernie.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:03 PM

14. No unless. Just the latest Bernie's a misogynist meme.

The Clinton camp has no integrity, no shame.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:54 PM

7. The new meme of the day has arrived, after #PapalGate proved an unmitigated failure for Team HRC

 

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Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:07 PM

18. Bingo! Since the first meme (he asked to be invited) blew up, as did the second (protocal breach)

So now let's settle on "Bernie is misogynistic for accepting an invite to speak at the Vatican, because the Church hierarchy is male dominated"



My goodness, the desperation & flop sweat stench from Camp Weathervane is suffocating.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:55 PM

8. Maybe you should ask Hillary if she's allowed to hold a top position in the Family?

Since she's actually a member of a conservative Christian cult that's much more relative, don't you think?

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:07 PM

19. Oooh, good one!

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:13 PM

22. Well done...

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:18 PM

27. Shartlet' book specifically says she was not a member.

Why make stuff up?

suming the diagram is about supporting a given system. It would be two cells, one exclusive, one non-exclusive. Both systems are exclusive from the point of view of Spaude and Coe as they have their own non-inclusive agendas at the top. They both happen to be anti-gay, for example.

I read his book after two days of researching, and I bet that a lot of people haven't.

Here's what he says about Clinton:

Hillary may well be God's beautiful child, but she's not a member of Coe's Family. Rather, I'd been told at Ivanwald, she's a "friend," less elect then a member, but more chosen than the rest of us. A fellow traveler but not a sister. Her goals are not their goals; but when on occasion they coincide, Hillary and the Family can work together.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:25 PM

36. Oh EXCUSE me, she's an "active participant" according to his article in Mother Jones:

Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics

For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating or living her faith?

—Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet on Sat. September 1, 2007 3:00 AM PDT

Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics


Quibbling over semantics = deflection


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #36)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:18 PM

48. Every woman senator attended the prayer breakfasts, and STILL do.

That Clinton at times associated is not controversial.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #48)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:20 PM

49. She did a lot more than attend, why are you obfuscating?

Maybe you guys should stop bringing up religious beliefs when you want to smear Bernie?


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #49)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:22 PM

51. I read Shartlet's book.

The relationship was not as conspiring as you suggest.

I'm making zero comment about the OP posted just to rule people up.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #51)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:23 PM

52. Sure you did.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:26 PM

55. The quote I posted is from it...

He spends like 2 whole pages talking about their "relationship" purely directed by the prayer breakfasts that women senators go to to this day. Even Elizabeth Warren goes to them. They are the sit down and talk without men just the ladies.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:26 PM

54. Boom!!!!!!!!

your a quick one

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:59 PM

9. Is Margaret Archer a man?

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Response to angstlessk (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:00 PM

10. Well played!

 

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Response to angstlessk (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:05 PM

16. .....

Time for a goal post moving session

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Response to angstlessk (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:23 PM

35. She works with an organization affliiated with the Vatican

but is not in the Vatican.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #35)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:25 PM

37. ...

Like I said , move those posts

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:03 PM

13. Offtopic, please find another forum

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:04 PM

15. So THIS is what gets outrage here about the RCC

 

In the past, everytime anyone said that the Pope was a bigot, we would get shot down because he's so awesome and liberal and trying so hard and changing things.

But now that SANDERS is going there for some meeting, people are all ready to call out the RCC.

It's laughable.

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Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:08 PM

20. Right? Where was the op when we were discussing the Vatican's bigoted policies?

I don't recall seeing him criticizing the pope or the Vatican.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:21 PM

31. Anytime I've ever criticized the RCC here

 

I've been told I'm a bigot and anti-theist.

Good to know it's cool now.

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Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #31)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:27 PM

43. Exactly, and we all know which candidate sided with the Vatican on marriage equality.

You would think her supporters would know better than to bring up religious beliefs.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:05 PM

17. Oh, god. Back to WOMEN AS VICTIMS. HILLARY AS VICTIM.

I'm a woman and I'm sick and tired of it.

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Response to mainer (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:13 PM

23. I am a Catholic woman and am pissed at Hillary, the poor victim of misogyny

AND I am 62..not a naive young person looking for free tuition, which, by the way I received when I was a young un...free in-state tuition for all persons who qualified!

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:11 PM

21. It's the Catholic Church so no I don't imagine women are in power anywhere.

Why not? Is that a serious question? Look at the teachings..it's a misogynist organization, and always has been.

Your point?

Check out any Christian religious organizations and you'll find the same thing. Does this surprise you?

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:14 PM

24. The Clinton lie has been exposed

 

So the trolling shifts gears. ..

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:16 PM

26. I would tread carefully, wouldn't want you to step on anything important:





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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:20 PM

29. ZOMG THE OP HATES OBAMA

 

ADD TO THE PURGE LIST.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:19 PM

28. Sanders and Sorondo ignore Sorondo's boss, a woman. I know of one, anyway. Nt

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:26 PM

39. Link to a citation showing the liar Archer is the Chancellor's boss?

Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

VATICAN CITY/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-papal-official-untrue-sanders-invited-himself-vatican-173414032.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw



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Response to seabeyond (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:27 PM

42. What?

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-vatican-idUSKCN0X5257

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:21 PM

32. I would tread carefully...

If this is the new attack on Bernie, it may backfire spectacularly if Hillary and her camp starts insulting Catholics and the church. There is a huge Catholic voting bloc in NYC -- wait, on second thought I hope Hillary through her meme trolls and surrogates attack the Catholic Church. It may give Sanders the lead in NY.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:23 PM

34. Srsly? Isn't there a religious forum for bullshit like this?

 

Did you envision this post as some kind of GOTCHA!?

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:43 PM

47. I am woman! I am victim! Vote for me!

Uh, no.

I'm a woman in my 60s. I earn more than almost any of my male colleagues. I earn more than my husband. I've never felt like a victim, and I don't plan to anytime soon.

There's nothing that gets me more riled up than to hear women say we should vote for Hillary because SHE'S A WOMAN AND THEY'RE ALL BEING MEAN TO HER.

It just demeans all women when you say that.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:21 PM

50. Well, I will definitely not vote for the Vatican for president

Nor for any corporatist warmongers.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:24 PM

53. I blame it on Bernie.



Come on really? This is your new angle?

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 07:29 PM

56. are you one of those antipopebro's?

you better stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:58 PM

61. How petty and downright lame. n/t

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:01 AM

62. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo This is a classic. An absolute classic

 

It distills the essence of this primary in the wonderful tying together of totally unrelated subjects with Sanders, and with the obligatory claim of sexism as the denouement.

Beautiful. Congratulations.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:01 AM

63. Because Bernie is a racist sexist doodoo head.

 

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