2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFor the last 2 days there has been a pattern here. The majority of the threads are about Bernie.
The Bernie supporters are sharing info with other Bernie supporters about his schedule, poll numbers, photos from rallies, comparing and contrasting the 2 candidates, phonebanking stories & other grassroots activities going on, etc.
The Hillary supporters are mostly posting negative stories about Bernie. Which is fine.
But I can't help but wonder where are the threads about Hillary? Her Schedule? Photos from her rallies? From her volunteers?
I see the same pattern on CNN & Msnbc. All they do is talk about Bernie.
artyteacher
(598 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)one response slot. But your post makes no sense. It's desperation that brings out the attacks. Attack Green Peace, attack Black Lives Matter, attack the Pope. But never attack your friends at the oil companies for fracking our water supplies.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Is all you can do.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)by Greg Farrell and David Kocieniewski
Bloomberg, April 5, 2016
UBS Group AG and HSBC Holdings Plc -- two of the banks hardest hit amid a U.S. crackdown on customers illicit funds in recent years -- are now starring in a torrent of leaked documents detailing how they once helped clients set up thousands of offshore shell companies.
A report late Monday by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, drawing on 11.5 million records extracted from Panama-based law firm Mossack Fonseca, describes the contortions UBS and other banks went through as they struggled to distance themselves from clients offshore companies amid mounting U.S. scrutiny. It also shows how European banks in particular had once helped customers create those entities: HSBC and its subsidiaries accounted for more than 2,300 of the shells registered through Mossack Fonseca, while UBS and Credit Suisse Group AG were behind more than 1,100 apiece, according to the ICIJ report.
While the use of offshore companies can be perfectly legal, the documents have ignited a global debate since they came to light on Sunday, exposing the extent to which politicians, business leaders and celebrities make use of a secretive financial ecosystem. The scandal is a fresh headache for banks, some of which have paid billions of dollars in fines in recent years, promised to fix controls and dismantled once-lucrative businesses as they try to put to rest accusations they harbored money for tax dodgers or criminals.
"Banks and professional organizations including accountants and lawyers need to up their game in relation to knowing who their ultimate clients are, said Alan Sheeley, head of the civil fraud and asset recovery team at Pinsent Masons law firm in London. It also raises pressure on governments, he said.
In 2010, as UBS was trying to deal with a U.S. Department of Justice investigation into illegal tax shelters, the Zurich-based bank sought to pull back from the shell companies, according to the ICIJ report. In a meeting that year with Mossack Fonseca, the banks representatives asserted the law firm should be responsible for identifying the shells owners, while the law firm insisted it didnt know who some of them were because the bank had withheld the information, according to the report.
Special Treatment
The two sides eventually figured out a way forward: Mossack Fonseca would take over the administration of the shell companies established by UBS clients and accord them "special treatment," ICIJ said. Under the new system, Mossack Fonseca agreed to accept lighter due diligence from UBS on those clients, requiring less documentation on the owners and why they used shell companies, ICIJ reported.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-05/ubs-hsbc-offshore-dealings-thrust-into-panama-papers-spotlight
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Will her name show up again and again... we know she is in there somewhere.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)John and Tony Podesta arent fooling anyone
By John R. Schindler
The Observer, 04/07/16
The revelations of the so-called Panama Papers that are roiling the worlds political and financial elites this week include important facts about Team Clinton. This unprecedented trove of documents purloined from a shady Panama law firm that arranged tax havens, and perhaps money laundering, for the globes super-rich includes juicy insights into how Russias elite hides its ill-gotten wealth.
Almost lost among the many revelations is the fact that Russias biggest bank uses The Podesta Group as its lobbyist in Washington, D.C. Though hardly a household name, this firm is well known inside the Beltway, not least because its CEO is Tony Podesta, one of the best-connected Democratic machers in the country. He founded the firm in 1998 with his brother John, formerly chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, then counselor to President Barack Obama, Mr. Podesta is the very definition of a Democratic insider. Outsiders engage the Podestas and their well-connected lobbying firm to improve their image and get access to Democratic bigwigs.
Which is exactly what Sberbank, Russias biggest financial institution, did this spring. As reported at the end of March, the Podesta Group registered with the U.S. Government as a lobbyist for Sberbank, as required by law, naming three Podesta Group staffers: Tony Podesta plus Stephen Rademaker and David Adams, the last two former assistant secretaries of state. It should be noted that Tony Podesta is a big-money bundler for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign while his brother John is the chairman of that campaign, the chief architect of her plans to take the White House this November.
Sberbank (Savings Bank in Russian) engaged the Podesta Group to help its public imageleading Moscow financial institutions not exactly being known for their propriety and wholesomenessand specifically to help lift some of the pain of sanctions placed on Russia in the aftermath of the Kremlins aggression against Ukraine, which has caused real pain to the countrys hard-hit financial sector.
Its hardly surprising that Sberbank sought the help of Democratic insiders like the Podesta Group to aid them in this difficult hour, since they clearly understand how American politics work. The question is why the Podesta Group took Sberbanks money. That financial institution isnt exactly hiding in the shadowsits the biggest bank in Russia, and its reputation leaves a lot to be desired. Nobody acquainted with Russian finance was surprised that Sberbank wound up in the Panama Papers.
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http://observer.com/2016/04/panama-papers-reveal-clintons-kremlin-connection/
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Where are the crowd pictures of excited people drunk on that Hillary magic?
onehandle
(51,122 posts)No reason to be serious here.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)share info. We have people that share videos, other people that share links, other people that bring info from other websites & newspapers to share with each other. And Pictures. Lots of Pictures.
Maybe that explains the difference.
Both parties see DU differently.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Since the beginning there have been very few positive Hillary threads. We talk about Bernie, they trash talk Bernie- But it's clear he's the focus. Maybe they think they don't have to talk her up, maybe they don't have much positive to say or don't know how to say it- but I think it's a mistake.
Zira
(1,054 posts)avoid people talking about her.
Look how she flies off at the handle anyone who brings up the truth about her past to her face?
We little people aren't supposed to question the incredibly rich Ms. Clinton. You'll get a finger pointed in your face and a whole bunch of lies while she attacks you and then pretty much acts like how dare you question her.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)One campaign is more action-oriented than the other.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Even the management on this site is in on it, letting the Hillary partisans go berserk with no repercussions.
What they fail to realize is the negativity and focus on petty nonsense instead of issues is why she has been losing support.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)after never putting anyone on ignore for 12 years. If they are polite and reasonable - or hilariously funny - they stay, but the snark and negativity has to go. I was spending entirely too much time being pissed off. I feel a lot better now.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)onecaliberal
(32,813 posts)Never has to do that.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)And it's beautiful
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Hillary supporters do not respond to topics that make her look bad. They let it sink. They only boost up things that make Bernie look bad.
Clinton supporters are leading the conversation and choosing the topics. Like Pope-gate or whatever that nonsense is.
If the election becomes a referendum on Hillary Clinton she will lose because she's not that well liked. We should talk about Hillary a lot more. Her record. Bill Clinton's record is also relevant while he's out there on the campaign trail.
The Clinton campaign would like to turn the election into an investigation of Bernie Sanders' every flaw. And DU Bernie supporters always jump in and defend, or argue, which means the debate is always on terms favorable for Clinton.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)which are more commonly known as fundraisers. They can't even stand outside the event and listen because of the white noise.
rosesaylavee
(12,126 posts)Simple.