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Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:38 PM

For the last 2 days there has been a pattern here. The majority of the threads are about Bernie.

The Bernie supporters are sharing info with other Bernie supporters about his schedule, poll numbers, photos from rallies, comparing and contrasting the 2 candidates, phonebanking stories & other grassroots activities going on, etc.

The Hillary supporters are mostly posting negative stories about Bernie. Which is fine.

But I can't help but wonder where are the threads about Hillary? Her Schedule? Photos from her rallies? From her volunteers?

I see the same pattern on CNN & Msnbc. All they do is talk about Bernie.





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Reply For the last 2 days there has been a pattern here. The majority of the threads are about Bernie. (Original post)
jillan Apr 2016 OP
artyteacher Apr 2016 #1
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #18
Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #2
Octafish Apr 2016 #3
yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #7
Octafish Apr 2016 #17
Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #4
onehandle Apr 2016 #5
whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #8
jillan Apr 2016 #10
TDale313 Apr 2016 #6
Zira Apr 2016 #9
hobbit709 Apr 2016 #11
reformist2 Apr 2016 #12
AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #13
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #20
Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #21
restorefreedom Apr 2016 #14
onecaliberal Apr 2016 #15
Rebkeh Apr 2016 #16
Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #19
BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #22
rosesaylavee Apr 2016 #23
DrDan Apr 2016 #24

Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:40 PM

1. were not as desperate. eom

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Response to artyteacher (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:01 PM

18. I am guessing that was the best you could come up with in your hurry to get the number

 

one response slot. But your post makes no sense. It's desperation that brings out the attacks. Attack Green Peace, attack Black Lives Matter, attack the Pope. But never attack your friends at the oil companies for fracking our water supplies.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:40 PM

2. Well when your canidate has nothing to offer. Going negative

 

Is all you can do.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:42 PM

3. Panama Papers? UBS?

UBS, HSBC Offshore Dealings Thrust Into Panama Papers Spotlight

by Greg Farrell and David Kocieniewski
Bloomberg, April 5, 2016

UBS Group AG and HSBC Holdings Plc -- two of the banks hardest hit amid a U.S. crackdown on customers’ illicit funds in recent years -- are now starring in a torrent of leaked documents detailing how they once helped clients set up thousands of offshore shell companies.

A report late Monday by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, drawing on 11.5 million records extracted from Panama-based law firm Mossack Fonseca, describes the contortions UBS and other banks went through as they struggled to distance themselves from clients’ offshore companies amid mounting U.S. scrutiny. It also shows how European banks in particular had once helped customers create those entities: HSBC and its subsidiaries accounted for more than 2,300 of the shells registered through Mossack Fonseca, while UBS and Credit Suisse Group AG were behind more than 1,100 apiece, according to the ICIJ report.

While the use of offshore companies can be perfectly legal, the documents have ignited a global debate since they came to light on Sunday, exposing the extent to which politicians, business leaders and celebrities make use of a secretive financial ecosystem. The scandal is a fresh headache for banks, some of which have paid billions of dollars in fines in recent years, promised to fix controls and dismantled once-lucrative businesses as they try to put to rest accusations they harbored money for tax dodgers or criminals.

"Banks and professional organizations including accountants and lawyers need to up their game in relation to knowing who their ultimate clients are,” said Alan Sheeley, head of the civil fraud and asset recovery team at Pinsent Masons law firm in London. It also raises pressure on governments, he said.

In 2010, as UBS was trying to deal with a U.S. Department of Justice investigation into illegal tax shelters, the Zurich-based bank sought to pull back from the shell companies, according to the ICIJ report. In a meeting that year with Mossack Fonseca, the bank’s representatives asserted the law firm should be responsible for identifying the shells’ owners, while the law firm insisted it didn’t know who some of them were because the bank had withheld the information, according to the report.

‘Special Treatment’

The two sides eventually figured out a way forward: Mossack Fonseca would take over the administration of the shell companies established by UBS clients and accord them "special treatment," ICIJ said. Under the new system, Mossack Fonseca agreed to accept lighter due diligence from UBS on those clients, requiring less documentation on the owners and why they used shell companies, ICIJ reported.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-05/ubs-hsbc-offshore-dealings-thrust-into-panama-papers-spotlight

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:45 PM

7. Will Hillary be drawn into the maelstrom?

Will her name show up again and again... we know she is in there somewhere.

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Response to yourpaljoey (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:01 PM

17. Don't know. Podesta's name has turned up in connection with a Russian bank.

Panama Papers Reveal Clinton’s Kremlin Connection

John and Tony Podesta aren’t fooling anyone


By John R. Schindler
The Observer, 04/07/16

The revelations of the so-called Panama Papers that are roiling the world’s political and financial elites this week include important facts about Team Clinton. This unprecedented trove of documents purloined from a shady Panama law firm that arranged tax havens, and perhaps money laundering, for the globe’s super-rich includes juicy insights into how Russia’s elite hides its ill-gotten wealth.

Almost lost among the many revelations is the fact that Russia’s biggest bank uses The Podesta Group as its lobbyist in Washington, D.C. Though hardly a household name, this firm is well known inside the Beltway, not least because its CEO is Tony Podesta, one of the best-connected Democratic machers in the country. He founded the firm in 1998 with his brother John, formerly chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, then counselor to President Barack Obama, Mr. Podesta is the very definition of a Democratic insider. Outsiders engage the Podestas and their well-connected lobbying firm to improve their image and get access to Democratic bigwigs.

Which is exactly what Sberbank, Russia’s biggest financial institution, did this spring. As reported at the end of March, the Podesta Group registered with the U.S. Government as a lobbyist for Sberbank, as required by law, naming three Podesta Group staffers: Tony Podesta plus Stephen Rademaker and David Adams, the last two former assistant secretaries of state. It should be noted that Tony Podesta is a big-money bundler for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign while his brother John is the chairman of that campaign, the chief architect of her plans to take the White House this November.

Sberbank (Savings Bank in Russian) engaged the Podesta Group to help its public image—leading Moscow financial institutions not exactly being known for their propriety and wholesomeness—and specifically to help lift some of the pain of sanctions placed on Russia in the aftermath of the Kremlin’s aggression against Ukraine, which has caused real pain to the country’s hard-hit financial sector.

It’s hardly surprising that Sberbank sought the help of Democratic insiders like the Podesta Group to aid them in this difficult hour, since they clearly understand how American politics work. The question is why the Podesta Group took Sberbank’s money. That financial institution isn’t exactly hiding in the shadows—it’s the biggest bank in Russia, and its reputation leaves a lot to be desired. Nobody acquainted with Russian finance was surprised that Sberbank wound up in the Panama Papers.

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http://observer.com/2016/04/panama-papers-reveal-clintons-kremlin-connection/

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:42 PM

4. You bring up a good point

Where are the crowd pictures of excited people drunk on that Hillary magic?

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:44 PM

5. Democratic Underground is no longer a credible source for Democratic organizing.

No reason to be serious here.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:46 PM

8. Weak but expected

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Response to onehandle (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:47 PM

10. Bernie supporters don't see it that way at all. We are using DU as a great place to

share info. We have people that share videos, other people that share links, other people that bring info from other websites & newspapers to share with each other. And Pictures. Lots of Pictures.

Maybe that explains the difference.
Both parties see DU differently.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:45 PM

6. There never have been.

Since the beginning there have been very few positive Hillary threads. We talk about Bernie, they trash talk Bernie- But it's clear he's the focus. Maybe they think they don't have to talk her up, maybe they don't have much positive to say or don't know how to say it- but I think it's a mistake.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:47 PM

9. Hillary has so much corruption in her background that she probably wants to

 

avoid people talking about her.

Look how she flies off at the handle anyone who brings up the truth about her past to her face?

We little people aren't supposed to question the incredibly rich Ms. Clinton. You'll get a finger pointed in your face and a whole bunch of lies while she attacks you and then pretty much acts like how dare you question her.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:48 PM

11. she doesn't want photos of her meeting with her $pon$or$ made public.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:49 PM

12. One DU poster said, Hillary is running to BE something, Bernie is running to DO something.


One campaign is more action-oriented than the other.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:50 PM

13. It's the latest campaign strategy, go full negative

 

Even the management on this site is in on it, letting the Hillary partisans go berserk with no repercussions.

What they fail to realize is the negativity and focus on petty nonsense instead of issues is why she has been losing support.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:09 PM

20. Put them on ignore. nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:18 PM

21. That's finally what I started doing

after never putting anyone on ignore for 12 years. If they are polite and reasonable - or hilariously funny - they stay, but the snark and negativity has to go. I was spending entirely too much time being pissed off. I feel a lot better now.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:50 PM

14. frontrunners tend to get more attention. nt

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:53 PM

15. Hillary has to constantly come off the campaign trail to raise money. Bernie

Never has to do that.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:53 PM

16. That's the Bernmentum

And it's beautiful

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:08 PM

19. Hillary supporters have Message Discipline - Bernie supporters do not

 


Hillary supporters do not respond to topics that make her look bad. They let it sink. They only boost up things that make Bernie look bad.

Clinton supporters are leading the conversation and choosing the topics. Like Pope-gate or whatever that nonsense is.

If the election becomes a referendum on Hillary Clinton she will lose because she's not that well liked. We should talk about Hillary a lot more. Her record. Bill Clinton's record is also relevant while he's out there on the campaign trail.

The Clinton campaign would like to turn the election into an investigation of Bernie Sanders' every flaw. And DU Bernie supporters always jump in and defend, or argue, which means the debate is always on terms favorable for Clinton.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:19 PM

22. The people posting on the internet aren't invited to Hillary's "rallies"

which are more commonly known as fundraisers. They can't even stand outside the event and listen because of the white noise.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:28 AM

23. Sen. Sanders has ideas, policies to discuss. Secy. Clinton does not.

Simple.

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Response to jillan (Original post)

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:30 AM

24. did you miss all of the faux Hong-Kong bound threads?

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