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jillan

(39,451 posts)
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:38 PM Apr 2016

For the last 2 days there has been a pattern here. The majority of the threads are about Bernie.

The Bernie supporters are sharing info with other Bernie supporters about his schedule, poll numbers, photos from rallies, comparing and contrasting the 2 candidates, phonebanking stories & other grassroots activities going on, etc.

The Hillary supporters are mostly posting negative stories about Bernie. Which is fine.

But I can't help but wonder where are the threads about Hillary? Her Schedule? Photos from her rallies? From her volunteers?

I see the same pattern on CNN & Msnbc. All they do is talk about Bernie.





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For the last 2 days there has been a pattern here. The majority of the threads are about Bernie. (Original Post) jillan Apr 2016 OP
were not as desperate. eom artyteacher Apr 2016 #1
I am guessing that was the best you could come up with in your hurry to get the number rhett o rick Apr 2016 #18
Well when your canidate has nothing to offer. Going negative Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #2
Panama Papers? UBS? Octafish Apr 2016 #3
Will Hillary be drawn into the maelstrom? yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #7
Don't know. Podesta's name has turned up in connection with a Russian bank. Octafish Apr 2016 #17
You bring up a good point Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #4
Democratic Underground is no longer a credible source for Democratic organizing. onehandle Apr 2016 #5
Weak but expected whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #8
Bernie supporters don't see it that way at all. We are using DU as a great place to jillan Apr 2016 #10
There never have been. TDale313 Apr 2016 #6
Hillary has so much corruption in her background that she probably wants to Zira Apr 2016 #9
she doesn't want photos of her meeting with her $pon$or$ made public. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #11
One DU poster said, Hillary is running to BE something, Bernie is running to DO something. reformist2 Apr 2016 #12
It's the latest campaign strategy, go full negative AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #13
Put them on ignore. nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #20
That's finally what I started doing Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #21
frontrunners tend to get more attention. nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #14
Hillary has to constantly come off the campaign trail to raise money. Bernie onecaliberal Apr 2016 #15
That's the Bernmentum Rebkeh Apr 2016 #16
Hillary supporters have Message Discipline - Bernie supporters do not Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #19
The people posting on the internet aren't invited to Hillary's "rallies" BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #22
Sen. Sanders has ideas, policies to discuss. Secy. Clinton does not. rosesaylavee Apr 2016 #23
did you miss all of the faux Hong-Kong bound threads? DrDan Apr 2016 #24
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
18. I am guessing that was the best you could come up with in your hurry to get the number
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:01 PM
Apr 2016

one response slot. But your post makes no sense. It's desperation that brings out the attacks. Attack Green Peace, attack Black Lives Matter, attack the Pope. But never attack your friends at the oil companies for fracking our water supplies.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
3. Panama Papers? UBS?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:42 PM
Apr 2016
UBS, HSBC Offshore Dealings Thrust Into Panama Papers Spotlight

by Greg Farrell and David Kocieniewski
Bloomberg, April 5, 2016

UBS Group AG and HSBC Holdings Plc -- two of the banks hardest hit amid a U.S. crackdown on customers’ illicit funds in recent years -- are now starring in a torrent of leaked documents detailing how they once helped clients set up thousands of offshore shell companies.

A report late Monday by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, drawing on 11.5 million records extracted from Panama-based law firm Mossack Fonseca, describes the contortions UBS and other banks went through as they struggled to distance themselves from clients’ offshore companies amid mounting U.S. scrutiny. It also shows how European banks in particular had once helped customers create those entities: HSBC and its subsidiaries accounted for more than 2,300 of the shells registered through Mossack Fonseca, while UBS and Credit Suisse Group AG were behind more than 1,100 apiece, according to the ICIJ report.

While the use of offshore companies can be perfectly legal, the documents have ignited a global debate since they came to light on Sunday, exposing the extent to which politicians, business leaders and celebrities make use of a secretive financial ecosystem. The scandal is a fresh headache for banks, some of which have paid billions of dollars in fines in recent years, promised to fix controls and dismantled once-lucrative businesses as they try to put to rest accusations they harbored money for tax dodgers or criminals.

"Banks and professional organizations including accountants and lawyers need to up their game in relation to knowing who their ultimate clients are,” said Alan Sheeley, head of the civil fraud and asset recovery team at Pinsent Masons law firm in London. It also raises pressure on governments, he said.

In 2010, as UBS was trying to deal with a U.S. Department of Justice investigation into illegal tax shelters, the Zurich-based bank sought to pull back from the shell companies, according to the ICIJ report. In a meeting that year with Mossack Fonseca, the bank’s representatives asserted the law firm should be responsible for identifying the shells’ owners, while the law firm insisted it didn’t know who some of them were because the bank had withheld the information, according to the report.

‘Special Treatment’

The two sides eventually figured out a way forward: Mossack Fonseca would take over the administration of the shell companies established by UBS clients and accord them "special treatment," ICIJ said. Under the new system, Mossack Fonseca agreed to accept lighter due diligence from UBS on those clients, requiring less documentation on the owners and why they used shell companies, ICIJ reported.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-05/ubs-hsbc-offshore-dealings-thrust-into-panama-papers-spotlight

yourpaljoey

(2,166 posts)
7. Will Hillary be drawn into the maelstrom?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:45 PM
Apr 2016

Will her name show up again and again... we know she is in there somewhere.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
17. Don't know. Podesta's name has turned up in connection with a Russian bank.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:01 PM
Apr 2016
Panama Papers Reveal Clinton’s Kremlin Connection

John and Tony Podesta aren’t fooling anyone


By John R. Schindler
The Observer, 04/07/16

The revelations of the so-called Panama Papers that are roiling the world’s political and financial elites this week include important facts about Team Clinton. This unprecedented trove of documents purloined from a shady Panama law firm that arranged tax havens, and perhaps money laundering, for the globe’s super-rich includes juicy insights into how Russia’s elite hides its ill-gotten wealth.

Almost lost among the many revelations is the fact that Russia’s biggest bank uses The Podesta Group as its lobbyist in Washington, D.C. Though hardly a household name, this firm is well known inside the Beltway, not least because its CEO is Tony Podesta, one of the best-connected Democratic machers in the country. He founded the firm in 1998 with his brother John, formerly chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, then counselor to President Barack Obama, Mr. Podesta is the very definition of a Democratic insider. Outsiders engage the Podestas and their well-connected lobbying firm to improve their image and get access to Democratic bigwigs.

Which is exactly what Sberbank, Russia’s biggest financial institution, did this spring. As reported at the end of March, the Podesta Group registered with the U.S. Government as a lobbyist for Sberbank, as required by law, naming three Podesta Group staffers: Tony Podesta plus Stephen Rademaker and David Adams, the last two former assistant secretaries of state. It should be noted that Tony Podesta is a big-money bundler for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign while his brother John is the chairman of that campaign, the chief architect of her plans to take the White House this November.

Sberbank (Savings Bank in Russian) engaged the Podesta Group to help its public image—leading Moscow financial institutions not exactly being known for their propriety and wholesomeness—and specifically to help lift some of the pain of sanctions placed on Russia in the aftermath of the Kremlin’s aggression against Ukraine, which has caused real pain to the country’s hard-hit financial sector.

It’s hardly surprising that Sberbank sought the help of Democratic insiders like the Podesta Group to aid them in this difficult hour, since they clearly understand how American politics work. The question is why the Podesta Group took Sberbank’s money. That financial institution isn’t exactly hiding in the shadows—it’s the biggest bank in Russia, and its reputation leaves a lot to be desired. Nobody acquainted with Russian finance was surprised that Sberbank wound up in the Panama Papers.

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http://observer.com/2016/04/panama-papers-reveal-clintons-kremlin-connection/

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
5. Democratic Underground is no longer a credible source for Democratic organizing.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016

No reason to be serious here.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
10. Bernie supporters don't see it that way at all. We are using DU as a great place to
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:47 PM
Apr 2016

share info. We have people that share videos, other people that share links, other people that bring info from other websites & newspapers to share with each other. And Pictures. Lots of Pictures.

Maybe that explains the difference.
Both parties see DU differently.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
6. There never have been.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:45 PM
Apr 2016

Since the beginning there have been very few positive Hillary threads. We talk about Bernie, they trash talk Bernie- But it's clear he's the focus. Maybe they think they don't have to talk her up, maybe they don't have much positive to say or don't know how to say it- but I think it's a mistake.

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
9. Hillary has so much corruption in her background that she probably wants to
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:47 PM
Apr 2016

avoid people talking about her.

Look how she flies off at the handle anyone who brings up the truth about her past to her face?

We little people aren't supposed to question the incredibly rich Ms. Clinton. You'll get a finger pointed in your face and a whole bunch of lies while she attacks you and then pretty much acts like how dare you question her.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
12. One DU poster said, Hillary is running to BE something, Bernie is running to DO something.
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:49 PM
Apr 2016

One campaign is more action-oriented than the other.
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
13. It's the latest campaign strategy, go full negative
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 01:50 PM
Apr 2016

Even the management on this site is in on it, letting the Hillary partisans go berserk with no repercussions.

What they fail to realize is the negativity and focus on petty nonsense instead of issues is why she has been losing support.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
21. That's finally what I started doing
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:18 PM
Apr 2016

after never putting anyone on ignore for 12 years. If they are polite and reasonable - or hilariously funny - they stay, but the snark and negativity has to go. I was spending entirely too much time being pissed off. I feel a lot better now.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
19. Hillary supporters have Message Discipline - Bernie supporters do not
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary supporters do not respond to topics that make her look bad. They let it sink. They only boost up things that make Bernie look bad.

Clinton supporters are leading the conversation and choosing the topics. Like Pope-gate or whatever that nonsense is.

If the election becomes a referendum on Hillary Clinton she will lose because she's not that well liked. We should talk about Hillary a lot more. Her record. Bill Clinton's record is also relevant while he's out there on the campaign trail.

The Clinton campaign would like to turn the election into an investigation of Bernie Sanders' every flaw. And DU Bernie supporters always jump in and defend, or argue, which means the debate is always on terms favorable for Clinton.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
22. The people posting on the internet aren't invited to Hillary's "rallies"
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:19 PM
Apr 2016

which are more commonly known as fundraisers. They can't even stand outside the event and listen because of the white noise.

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