Pulled from the shelter of the Hillary Group

[kristopher]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by one_voice (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

Do you think Bob Mulholland is entitled to thumb his nose at people seeking to have their voices heard in government?

Do the overtly anti-democratic strategies, plans, and acts of the establishment reflect a mindset where the very few are entitled to control the choices available to everyone else?

In what ethical foundation is that belief rooted?

Super Delegate Bob Mulholland writes a blistering open letter to Bernie Sanders

Senator Sanders - Stop the Harassing Phone Calls


April 6, 2016


Dear Senator Bernie Sanders


I have heard many complaints from other unbound Delegates to our National Convention in Philadelphia (my hometown), about getting harassing emails, Facebook postings and phone calls, even to one woman at 10:30 at night, from some of your supporters demanding that we support you. We would expect this type of bullying tactics from Trump supporters. Roger Stone threatened on April 5th- he will send angry Trump supporters to the hotel rooms (Cleveland) of any delegates who betrays Donald. Do you have a similar Plan?


I have seen you on TV stating (demanding to many of your supporters) that Superdelegates should vote for the candidate that won their state. Really? Where is that in the National Delegate Plan that former Vermont Governor Howard Dean must vote for you? Congressman Raul Grijalva, a supporter of yours, who represents the 3rd district in Arizona, a state that voted 58% for Clinton and Grijalva's own district voted 61.7% for Clinton has not switched. Where is your letter to Congressman Grijalva, instructing him to shift his support to Clinton? Look in the mirror- you'll see a political hypocrite! From what I hear, Congressman Grijalva, when asked if he is shifting his support to Clinton, his response- drop dead. That is his right- he is a Congressman, thus a delegate.


Society has been trying to deal with High School bullies and the same Rule should apply to your campaign and your supporters. Us active Democrats enjoy healthy discussions and debates at meetings, Caucuses and Conventions but it is unacceptable for us to get harassing communications from bullies. As a Clinton supporter, I have not received harassing phone calls but it does appear women DNC Members are getting the brunt of the threats. Professionally, campaign staff and representatives should be the ones calling delegates. A 12 year old child answering the phone at home should not be hearing threats.

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[wyldwolf]

1. "The shelter" of the Hillary group?

[BillZBubb]

3. The truth hurts. That place bans people for even the slightest doubt about her majesty.

A lot critical attacks on Bernie are posted there, so that no response is possible. So, yeah, it's your "safe space", it's your oasis, it's your shelter.

[PeaceNikki]

5. The Sanders group is just as quick to the draw. If not, more.

[BillZBubb]

7. Baloney. The Hillary Haven has what 1000 bans now?

The ratio of bans to members is astronomical.

[wyldwolf]

11. there are many times more Bernie followers on the board.

The ratio is astronomical.

[PeaceNikki]

15. They've been around for years longer and have a ton of people who come to antagonize.

For example: Search my posts in the Sanders group and please point out what was bannable. The answer is nothing. But I get it. It's a safe haven. Cool.

Here. I'll do the search for you. I posted there four times:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=152240

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=146914

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=146907

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=134668

[Sheepshank]

23. Mostly because Bernie supporters lack the decency to not come and crap all over their rules

...it would appear some some have no sense of boundaries. At an 8:1 ratio in favor of Bernie supporters, seems like there would naturally be a larger number of banned just our of sheer ratio numbers.

I got banned from teh Bernie group for simply reposting jury results (a jury I happened to be serving on) the jury results actually voted not to hide a post in that group and I was agreeing with the jury results and felt the alert was bogus...so whatever. My only comment on that re-posting of the jury results was an LOL in the subject line. Thin skinned and trigger happy is how I would judge that group since that innocuous posting many months ago in the very early days of the campaign.

[Codeine]

27. The board is 80% Sanders supporters.

Of course the Hillary group is going to ban more people; there's an enormous imbalance in numbers on the site.

[wyldwolf]

8. Truth. It's funny how Bernie followers resent the fact they can't shit stir in the Hillary group...

... but think it's fine to ban Hillary supporters from the Bernie Cave.

[bvf]

31. Complete nonsense.

As of 4/10/16

The Clinton group had:

390 DU subscribers
815 blocked DU members


The Sanders group had:

1015 DU subscribers
327 blocked DU members


The Sanders group has less than half as many blocked members, despite having well over two and a half times the number of subscribers.

So, bullshit.

[PeaceNikki]

32. lolok

[NCTraveler]

21. My only post in the Sanders group.

Was banned moments after making it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069099

[Surya Gayatri]

4. Underground nuclear fallout shelter like this? LOL!

[Aerows]

18. Off topic

But why would a bomb shelter have a television set?

If you actually needed a bomb shelter, don't you think that the cable/satellites were not functioning, the electricity would be off, and if you had a generator you would want to spare it's usage for more important things, like say, a freezer or a refrigerator?

That just strikes me as odd as hell.

Sorry, please continue on with the political talk and forgive me for wondering WTF with the TV in the bomb shelter.

[Surya Gayatri]

25. Sorry, can't say. You'd have to ask the vendor of these things.

I know some "survivalists" have really palatial shelters in their backyards, where they hold survival simulations.

They DO have electric generators, so maybe they can watch videos?

[bettyellen]

28. Was just thinking you'd need a lot of DVDs. Many DVDs. LOL..... Great minds.

On a related note, I am very much looking forward to season 2 of the Unbreakable Kimmie Schmidt.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Gimme Shelter

[wyldwolf]

14. Shelter

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Shelter From The Storm

If you haven't seen St. Vincent you should, my friend.

[BillZBubb]

2. Ol' Bob sounds like a whiney 90 lb. weakling.

Bernie's supporters are using the political process to help their candidate, just like Hillary supporters would if in a similar situation.

You can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

[bigtree]

6. I think Sanders' bullies should keep it up

...their strategy of threatening and badgering SDs seems to be working so well.

[jfern]

13. The Hillary campaign is just making it seem bad

Rep. Nolan listened and endorsed.

Sanders supporters had been urging Nolan to back Sanders since the Vermont senator won Minnesota's Democratic caucuses on March 1.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/bernie-sanders-superdelegate-minnesota-221760

[bigtree]

24. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfu0oraW4AIbGTd.jpg

Sanders campaign tries to have it both ways on superdelegates
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sanders-campaign-tries-to-have-1404877438296118.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

this from the Burlington Press...

Allan Brauer ?@allanbrauer 11h11 hours ago
This is a great idea because now Alan Grayson & Raul Grijalva have to vote for Clinton! (Growing backlash demands superdelegates vote Sanders) http://bfpne.ws/1S3jw9s

and this...

Leo Santos ?@_leosantos 13h13 hours ago
Take a quick look at @NHKathySullivan's to see what a bang up job Sanders bros are doing in making superdelegates #FleeTheBern

Kathy Sullivan ?@NHKathySullivan 22h22 hours ago
Bernie Sanders supporters being very cranky w/ me today. Interesting method of flipping super delegates!

Kathy Sullivan ?@NHKathySullivan 23h23 hours ago
@womancard do u really think that u r helping Bernie? Good luck with that!

Kathy Sullivan ?@NHKathySullivan 22h22 hours ago
@_marcusjay_ I have a pretty high tolerance, but when someone calls me a "Hillary bot", pleads age as defense, meh, not productive.

[Agnosticsherbet]

10. Good to see the bullying behavior exposed on GD-P.

Tad Devine, now being paid millions by the Sanders Campaign, was a central figure in devising the Super Delegate system. He should tell his people to stop bullying.

[TM99]

12. Once an entitled asshole

always an entitled asshole.

The only bully is this fucker. Does he not realize we know his history?

This is the dick in CA who intercepted voters who were registering for the Green Party and sent them back to them telling them to register Democrat instead. WTF?!

This is the dick in CA who leaked rumors that Bruce Herschensohn was into porn. He was fired and then immediately re-hired after Boxer won.

[cyberswede]

16. You might consider editing your thread title.

Your reference to the Hillary Group might get this OP locked.

[Gothmog]

19. Great letter

Sanders will not be successful in flipping many super delegates

[Agony]

20. i'll just leave this here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Mulholland

sounds like a very undemocratic party hack

[Kittycat]

22. I believe that they need to vote with their districts.

I have no issue with representatives showing support and endorsing candidates, but no one should be vote tallying. And when they cast their votes, it should be done by district then state vote %. Simple. Represent the will of those that put you there, or find another job. I feel that what many of the super delegates are doing IS being a bully. They hold all the power, and now even yield the power thwart the will of the voters. There's nothing more bully-like than that.

[LisaM]

30. But - particularly in the case of caucuses - how do they know it represents their own voters?

The turnout for a lot of the caucuses has been well below 10% or even 5% in a lot of states, and a lot of the caucuses were open. There are many reasons people can't come to caucuses, including work and disability. And they strongly favor groups like college students.

I don't know how to find out how many of the 4% of voters who even made it to the Washington caucuses were independents and Libertarians who declared for the caucus that they preferred the Democratic party, but I think most elected officials know that the vast majority of people who voted for them weren't included. They could be switching their vote against the wishes of their own constituents.

This is the system and I don't think asking them to switch is necessarily a fair request anyway, but the only time I can see it even being within the bounds of being a reasonable request is for a closed primary with a long early voting period.

[Joe the Revelator]

26. Stop whining Bob....if you don't want to hear from the public, resign as a SD

Pretty simple.

[Snotcicles]

29. I think it's a load of exaggerated crap. And I don't believe him. nt

[one_voice]

33. Locking..

Disruptive meta is not allowed.