Does anyone know if campaign funds will be paying for Bernie's religious experience?

[pnwmom]

Travel and lodging in Italy for him and his retinue won't be cheap.

And then there's the Secret Service. Does his Secret Service detail go with him to Italy, at the Government’s expense, for a theological conference, a non-campaign event?


Does anyone know how this works?

UPDATE: As someone who has watched DUers rip the Catholic Church -- including Pope Francis -- to shreds over the years, it is awfully funny to see this new-found respect for that despised institution.

[NurseJackie]

1. If so, does that make it a campaign stop? If it's a private trip, is it even APPROPRIATE for his...

... campaign to be paying for it? I'd imagine that there must be some regulations that are being ignored here.

[pnwmom]

3. There's supposed to be this thing called the separation of Church and State

and this thing called the Constitution.

Of course, they only apply in the US. . . maybe that's Bernie's excuse.

Still, I wonder about the tens of thousands per day on the Secret Service for a non-campaign trip. Sounds strange to me.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

30. Pope is Head of State.

[pnwmom]

83. He's not meeting the Pope. The Pope will be in Lesbos attending another event.

Bernie will be attending a theological conference.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

94. And it doesnt matter to a hill of beans. I sure hope we can all pivot and focus on

what really matters when this insane primary season is over.

[noiretextatique]

99. wrong. pope is going to greece 4/16 eom

[TheBlackAdder]

137. This OP has a lot of debasing properties to it. It's like watching the parents on Tiara Toddlers.

[noiretextatique]

173. agreed...i am all for criticism

but this just flinging poo. and there is no way in hell clinton would ever be invited to an event about a moral economy.

[pnwmom]

139. He's not attending the religious conference Bernie's attending, even in the unlikely event

the Pope leaves on the 16th for a formal event in Greece that same day.

[riderinthestorm]

155. Pope Francis has a history of stopping by these events

http://ncronline.org/blogs/eco-catholic/vatican-worlds-mayors-vow-tackle-climate-change-poverty

[pnwmom]

156. After his misstep with Kim Davis -- which got a long term Vatican diplomat forcibly retired --

he won't touch anyone campaigning for US President with a ten foot pole.

[riderinthestorm]

158. The Catholic church's entire history is one of meddling in politics of other countries

I don't assume anything.

[pnwmom]

163. Pope Francis has avoided doing anything like that -- at least openly. Firing the top diplomat

in Washington underlined his position.

He's not happy with whoever put him in a meeting with Kim Davis, and the Vatican spokesman has underlined that the invitation to Bernie was NOT from the Pope and is not an endorsement.

There's no way he'll be meeting with Pope Francis.

[riderinthestorm]

165. You're obsessed. This is really creepy. nt

[treestar]

181. Resorting to ad hominem

due to having trouble with the disconnect between the sudden admiration of the Vatican from sources that had nothing good to say until St. Bernie discovered a conference there.

Criticism of Bernie is now creepy obsession, lol, what about the posts about Hillary's every move?

[noiretextatique]

172. it is an academic conference, but you already know that

about a moral economy. i can see why clinton supporters are in a tither.

"What he is saying is not only that we have to pay attention to what he calls the dispossed; and again, we don't talk about it enough. These are the children who have no jobs all over the world; youth unemployment is off the charts. The elderly people who are watching this program now who are trying to get by on $11,000 a year -- we don't talk about that.

"But you know what else he's even doing? He's talking about the idolatry of money; the worship of money; the greed that's out there. How our whole culture is based on, I need more and more and more. And I don't have to worry about veterans sleeping out on the street or elderly people who can't afford their presciption drugs.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/pope-invites-sanders-vatican-discuss-moral-economy

[markpkessinger]

142. Doesn't matter . . .

. . . Bernie was invited by the Vatican -- a sovereign state -- to give a talk. Separation of church and state has nothing whatsoever to do with this.

[pnwmom]

146. He was invited by the President of the PASS -- a religious organization.

He was specifically not invited by the Pope.

[markpkessinger]

152. Still doesn't matter . . .

. . . He's allowed to accept invitations to speak to any group he pleases. You are really stretching here, and it is absolutely pathetic.

[riderinthestorm]

157. PASS is a Vatican Academy amongst others

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/index.htm

Since Hillary spoke at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church conference on AIDS in 2008 as a senator and presidential candidate she's shown us that its done.

[pnwmom]

159. It's a non-profit that receives a portion of its funding from the Vatican. n/t

[riderinthestorm]

164. I see you didn't look at the link, its a Vatican Academy period. Pontifical means exactly that.

If it gets some funding from somewhere other than the church then I'm sure they're happy to take it but their control is firmly within the Vatican.

[northernsouthern]

61. Really, just really? Are you going there?

What the f@ck happens in the swearing in? What is on our stupid coins? The constitution established that the US would not establish or make a religion established, it will not hinder one either. The pope just was in the US, just here? He waved from our capital building to the masses...



There is no way you guys are serious! You are unbelievable. I am going have to send this thread around, this is the funniest thing I have yet to see.

[pnwmom]

84. Bernie's going to a theological conference that the Pope won't be attending.

In fact, the Pope will be in Lesbos when Bernie's at the Vatican.

[Blanks]

127. I heard the pope was leaving...

So that he would not be in the same place as Sanders.

Ok, I just made that up.

[karynnj]

93. Obama himself visited the Vatican -- and his current Secretary of State date did at least twice

Did you object at that point? Did you object when the Pope facilitated the opening with Cuba? Did you object when Secretary Kerry spoke of the US joining the Pope to speak out against human trafficking (a goal that HRC would heartily agree with)? Did you object when DC, Philadelphia and NYC all welcomed the Pope -- as well as the Pope meeting Obama and Biden and speaking to a joint session of Congress. I kind of remember that most of us were pretty happy with the Pope's speech then.

Seriously, if it were Clinton, you would have no problem.

[pnwmom]

97. Obama didn't attend a theological conference. n/t

[Fawke Em]

103. Sure he did.

The National Day of Prayer.

Here he is at the National Prayer Breakfast:



Y'all have lost your ever-loving minds over this trip.

[angrychair]

154. ROFL

That is incredibly lame attack. When your candidate has given campaign speeches in in churches, I don't remember you complaining.
When she was SoS and went to Vatican City, I don't remember you screaming "separation of church and state" then.

[riderinthestorm]

166. She actually was a speaker at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church conference on AIDS

in 2008 as a senator and presidential candidate.

The fury over this is wild...

[angrychair]

170. Yea, this is bizarre

HRC supporters have really gone off the deep end in their hate and anti semetic attacks on Sanders.

[riderinthestorm]

171. Agreed. The extra intensity on Bernie doing the same things as other past candidates smells

Smells a lot like anti-semitism.

Nadine called it downthread...

[BlueCaliDem]

182. How much of her campaign funds paid for her, her children, her grandchildren, her staff, and

the press to fly across the ocean to attend Saddleback Church Conference that year?

Because this short vacay trip to the Vatican is being paid for by Sanders' campaign which includes himself, his wife, his four children, his four grandchildren, a small cadre of his staff and the press, and secret service.

And all of it was organized and paid for by the Sanders Campaign.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-brings-family-trip-vatican/story?id=38416805

Not bad for a guy who rails about "millionaires and billionaires" and "the wealthy".

It's becoming more and more clear to me and anyone and any objective observer, that the fire in his belly against Wall Street, "millionaires and billionaires" (although he's dropped the "millionaires" part in his stump speech, since he's apparently one himself), income inequality, etc., has more to do with personal wealth-envy than the plight of millions of Americans.

[Warren Stupidity]

175. Which has approximately fuck all to do with where a

presidential candidate travels.

Did you make this stupendously dull horseshit up yourself or is it just Brock-vomit?

[Armstead]

96. Oh My God! There MUST Be A Regulation he is breaking? Can I ever smile again?

[Fawke Em]

105. LOL.

[Desert805]

122. Perfect.

Holy moly, I live in a world where travel arrangements are more important than healthcare.

I'm stunned.

[northernsouthern]

176. Awww yeah.

That picture should have been the end of the thread, it pretty much sums it up.

[Nanjeanne]

2. I'd imagine he's doing what he is supposed to - whatever the rules are. Why spend time worrying

about someone you don't like and who isn't going to win the Presidency? It's not healthy.

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[pnwmom]

4. I agree, thinking about Bernie too much isn't healthy, but he keeps making me. Oh well. n/t

[frylock]

22. He's living in your head, rent free.

That's on you.

[jillan]

66. Seriously. There are a couple of them that I am concerned about.

[frylock]

69. It's reached that level of obsession.

[Fawke Em]

73. I've been sending these threads to the Secret Service.

These people are obsessing so much about his flights - and now, how he'll be protected - that its bordering on a national security incident.

[Sheepshank]

109. You are serious, right? this is absolutely fucking hilarious. n't

[JI7]

5. religious experience ? he is going there to discuss poverty

Not for religion.

[pnwmom]

7. It is a theological conference run by the Vatican. Discussing poverty is something the Church does.

They are discussing poverty in the light of the theological document that the whole conference was set up to discuss. That is the whole point -- to examine and speak about the theological document.

[JI7]

9. Sanders himself is doing it for the poverty discussion.

[hobbit709]

6. "Religious experience"? That's a new low.

[pnwmom]

8. He's going to a theological conference. If you want to call that a "new low" that's your prerogative

[hobbit709]

10. Social issues are now "theological"?

Just because it's at the Vatican doesn't make it theological any more than having an election precinct at a church makes the election theological.

[pnwmom]

11. It is a theological conference, theologically examining a particular CHURCH DOCUMENT.

That's the entire purpose of the conference.

[CorkySt.Clair]

12. Bernie serves God.

Didn't you get the memo?...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511715540#post14

[geek tragedy]

13. it's about a papal encyclical. that's pretty theological nt

[hobbit709]

14. you know Hillary would burst into flame if she stepped on holy ground.

[geek tragedy]

16. I'm sure you believe that nt

[hobbit709]

17. Believe it, no. But if it did happen I might start believing in a god.

[geek tragedy]

19. yes, she is truly history's greatest monster, a plague upon humanity rivaling

that of slavery and genocide.

an evil not of this world.

Sauron is afraid to look at her, such potent evil dwells inside her mind.

The vegetation on the very ground she walks upon withers and dies.

[hobbit709]

20. In history no. She's penny ante compared to some in history, but that still doesn't make it right.

War mongering is war mongering, whether the war only kills 10 or 10 million.

[geek tragedy]

25. it was her that talked George W Bush and Dick Cheney into that war, I tell you.

She also single handedly persuaded John Kerry, John Edwards, and Joe Biden to all support it too.

[hobbit709]

27. They talked her into going along with it.

[geek tragedy]

32. yes, yet we nominated two Iraq war voters in 2004, and one of them--Edwards--

was the darling of the 'progressive' left in 2008 while Clinton was scorned back then as history's greatest villain and still is.

Why is that?

[Fawke Em]

74. And we lost, too.

Why is that?

[geek tragedy]

81. 1) the economy seemed to be in decent shape; 2) Bush's popularity rating

was never that terrible; 3) incumbent presidents almost always win

[Fawke Em]

118. 4. The Democratic candidate wasn't that inspiring to the left.

Which, by the way, makes up more of the party now than it did then.

[geek tragedy]

121. Bush was plenty inspiring to the left.

the problem was that there just wasn't enough of the left to win the election. middle of the road people stuck with Bush

[thesquanderer]

47. No, but she did help talk Obama into the Libya mess.

She's on the hawkish side, that's a fact. To some people, that's a plus, though. Might play better in the general than in the primary.

[geek tragedy]

52. France and the UK had a lot more to do with that.

Also, there were no good options in Libya. None. What's happening there is awful, but the country could very well have wound up like Syria if there had been no intervention.

[pnwmom]

48. Bernie had two pro Iraq war votes before he changed his mind. Those earlier votes were wrong, too.

[beam me up scottie]

115. That is a lie, Bernie voted for peaceful democratic regime change and against the war.

You guys never stop, do you? You just can't accept that Hillary helped sell the Iraq war and Bernie tried to prevent it.

[Sheepshank]

113. so then you love the idea of your $27 going to fund the attendance...right? n/t

[hobbit709]

117. If I had $27 to give to Bernie I'd do it just to annoy you.

[Sheepshank]

123. lol...do it n/t

[hobbit709]

124. Right now my $968/mo SS doesn't leave much left over.

[Sheepshank]

130. but the fact that you want to pay Bernie to spite me is a joke on you n/t

[hobbit709]

140. Share A Little Joke

[PeaceNikki]

18. Um..

The conference and organization have the special task of entering into dialogue with the Roman Catholic Church. Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences is a Pontifical academy established by the Pope who is the head of the RCC. It's created by, run by, maintained by, and steered by the RCC. It is 100% "theological".

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Dog whistle 101, it should not be heard

[frylock]

21. Day four of butthurt obsession.

[morningfog]

23. His Jewish and will not be participating in any racist skit,

or millionaire fundraisers.

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. A sitting US Senator invited to speak at a conference. I hope Uncle Sam picks up the tab.

[Buzz Clik]

26. More free shit!

[cherokeeprogressive]

28. I'm good with it. I pay plenty in taxes.

[pnwmom]

29. Since when does Uncle Sam pick up the tab for theological conferences? n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. He's a sitting Senator. Doesn't matter to me. I'd say the same for any other sitting Senator.

Playing shitty games with petty things - I'll leave that to others.

[pnwmom]

41. Since when does the Secret Service accompany Senators in their travels?

[cherokeeprogressive]

43. Let's get something straight... There has been NO travel. NO Secret Service accompanied Sanders.

So, since when? Since never. That about right?

[pnwmom]

75. I'm asking about his planned trip to Italy for the theological conference. Will SS be with him?

[riderinthestorm]

71. They accompanied Senator Barack Obama for a week gallivanting around the world in 2008

during his first presidential run.

[pnwmom]

80. Did he go to any theological conferences to discuss a Catholic encyclical? Somehow I missed that. n/

[riderinthestorm]

126. Hillary went to Rick Warren's theological conference when she was a candidate/Senator.

Obama went overseas as a candidate/Senator in 2008.

So both are absolutely allowed. How they were paid for, and who exactly protected them during those trips is information you can find if you really cared one whit about this.

But you really don't. You're just itching to find any kind of "gotcha". Its embarassing for you really.

[thesquanderer]

107. Not Senators. Specific people they are charged with protecting.

Who may or may not happen to be Senators.

Most Senators do not have SS protection. Most Presidential candidates do, at a certain point. And they are entitled to it around the clock.

[IllinoisBrenel]

177. You are Correct!

It is petty! But I can be petty also! Who is paying for Hillary's fundraising trip to Hong Kong?

[Fawke Em]

78. I'm sure it picked up the tabs of the presidential delegations who attended

the National Day of Prayer.

Hell, Hillary attended when she was a senator:



Hillary Clinton (D-NY) participates in the National Day of Prayer ceremony at the White House May 3, 2007 in Washington, DC.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

31. And here I thought we might be able to get through a whole day

without somebody going all Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! on Bernie's trip to the Vatican conference. No such luck, I guess.

So here's the thing: Bernie is no rookie. He and his staff will be sure they know the campaign finance rules, and they are not about to risk even the appearance that the rules were violated in any respect for the sake of this trip, which has become even more high-profile due to the relentless flogging and misrepresenting of it by Hillary's partisans. I'm sure no expense and effort will be spared to Benghazi the entire trip and the financial arrangements for it, so don't fret too much in advance.

[geek tragedy]

33. They've routinely violated FEC campaign finance rules this cycle, so no

we can't just take that as an article of faith.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/02/26/bernie-sanders-campaign-contributions/80999298/

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

34. BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!

"This happens all the time in campaigns, and the FEC’s rules explicitly allow 60-days from receipt of an over-the-limit contribution for campaigns to remedy the excessive portion of the contribution."

I made that mistake once myself some years ago - I'd made a number of donations to a candidate over a period of time and lost track of them, but when I realized I'd accidentally gone a little over the limit I contacted the campaign and they refunded the excess. If you want to make a big deal of it, go ahead, but it's not the crime of the century (or even the month) that you'd like it to be.

And speaking of campaign contributions: https://www.yahoo.com/news/are-hillarys-big-speaking-fees-being-used-to-help-205257476.html

[geek tragedy]

36. they're still at it

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/542/201603300300040542/201603300300040542.pdf

who knows what's in their tax returns?

Oh, I know the answer to that one. No one.

[choie]

45. when it comes to doing shifty things financially

I wouldn't throw stones. Your candidate and her husband are up to their eyeballs in corruption.

[pnwmom]

53. Bernie and his supporters have been throwing stones from their Uber vehicles.

It's time for their hypocrisy to come to light.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511715368

[choie]

63. oh please..

next you'll be claiming that Clinton's $250,000 speaking fees from Goldman Sachs and other despicable corporate thugs don't have any effect on her policies. I'll take Bernie's ethics over Clinton's (what she has of them) anytime.

[geek tragedy]

54. yet it's Bernie who's hiding all of his personal financial information and it's the Clintons

who are disclosing everything.

Has it been your experience that the least transparent candidate has been the most honest?

[choie]

68. oh yeah - they're transparent alright....

where did that $30 million for Haiti go?
why won't she release her transcripts?
why does she use white noise to hide what she says to her donors?
why did she send State emails from a private server?

I could go on and on...

[geek tragedy]

70. yet she's much more transparent than he is.

why is he such a hypocrite on transparency?

[Fawke Em]

85. No... she just has a shit-ton more money to hire lawyers that know how to hide evidence.

She's really not transparent.

In fact, the reason she's under a criminal investigation is because she wanted to hide her emails from FOIA requests.

[geek tragedy]

95. why isn't Bernie disclosing his tax returns?

It's something expected of every serious candidate.

This is a presidential campaign, not race for city council.

[Fawke Em]

133. Why isn't she releasing her transcripts?

Bernie’s entire net worth, accumulated over his 74 years of life, is less than half of what Hillary Clinton made just in her speeches to Goldman Sachs. In 2013, Bernie’s net worth was estimated to be $330,000 — making him among the least wealthy U.S. Senators in the country.

Combined, Bill and Hillary Clinton have made $153 million in speaking fees alone. In just 2013, Hillary received an astounding $9.68 million from her paid speeches.

In other words, Bernie Sanders would have to live 2,171 years to have the net worth of what Hillary made in 2013.

SNIP

At the point in which Hillary Clinton is fully willing to allow all of us to assume the worst about these speeches instead of actually releasing them, we can only be left to assume that their reality is even worse than our imagination. Whatever the case, ducking and dodging on this is not just bad politics, it puts her right in line with the scoundrels who caused this mess in the first place.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-clinton-paid-double-sanders-net-worth-speeches-article-1.2598017?cid=bitly

[BillZBubb]

37. Your Hillarybot crap has gone far enough. Welcome to ignore.

[George II]

38. His campaign legally can't pay for it, it's not a campaign event or campaign expenses. And....

.....being an elected official he can't accept money from anyone (i.e., 1%-er!) to pay for the trip. That would be an illegal, just like Jerry Jones' payment for Christie's trip to Dallas for a football game.

This is a big mystery, I can't see any way that it can be paid for by anyone but himself.

[thesquanderer]

58. Any time a Senator (OR a Presidential candidate) meets with foreign officials...

...I would think it can likely be seen as part of the "business" of being a Senator (or a Presidential candidate).

(Though I bet if he wanted to, he could also lay out the money personally, and put together a gofundme for people to cover it, and he'd get plenty of takers!)

[George II]

67. The purpose of the trip and conference isn't to meet with foreign officials. And I would wager...

....that if gofundme paid for it, that would constitute an illegal gift.

[thesquanderer]

87. It might be part of the purpose. I guess you'd have to ask him.

As for gofundme, if he collected $10 each from many individuals, that would not be an issue.

There are all kinds of possibilities.

Another example: the State Department can approve and provide reimbursement for travel that is part of cultural exchange.
see privately sponsored travel at http://www.ethics.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/frequentlyaskedquestions

There are also waivers available for certain gifts, they're not all automatically illegal.
https://ethics.house.gov/forms/gift-waivers

Though why so many people here are so concerned with this is beyond me. Hillary and the Clinton Foundation have a myriad of questionable financial dealings (going back at least as far as her cattle trading), and people are worried about how Bernie is going to get to Rome. I'm sure he'll find a way. And I'm sure it will be legal. It's not like it can possibly be done in secret, all eyes are on him!

[nichomachus]

39. Does anyone know when Hillary is going to release her speech transcripts?

I'm much more interested in those than in this petty Clintonist bullshit.

[pnwmom]

44. When's Bernie going to release his tax returns? And the transcripts

of his speeches in Russia and Cuba -- before we normalized relations -- and in Nicaragua?

We need to read those transcripts!

[imagine2015]

56. AAAhhh you think they will reveal he's a super secret red spy for the Rushkins and Cubans?

Perhaps Bernie's a "deep cover" red terrorist pinko!

Scary! Scary!

Hide the women and children!

It must be time for a little red-baiting.

Is that your area of political expertise?

[pnwmom]

82. There should be stuff in it just as interesting as her bank speeches.

They'll probably both be boring, in other words, but if she has to produce hers, then he should produce his.

And she's already produced years of full tax returns. When is Bernie finally going to do that?

[riderinthestorm]

40. Who paid for Hillary Clinton's speech at Rick Warren's church in 2007 when she was a Senator?

When she was running for President and appeared at his Global Conference on the Church and AIDS...

[pnwmom]

46. Did that trip involve foreign travel? As a former First Lady she had SS protection. n/t

[riderinthestorm]

57. It involved travel yes, and yes Bernie as a leading presidential candidate will have SS with him

If Hillary hadn’t been 1st Lady she too would still have had SS as a leading presidential candidate.

You're OP was about separation of church and state so I was responding that certainly presidential candidates have attended theologically oriented conferences in the past.

Who paid for Hillary’s and I'm sure you'll find your answer for Bernie’s.

And I don't think it matters whether its in country or not.

[pnwmom]

88. Foreign travel? It does matter whether it's in the US or not.

The Secret Service didn't provide security for Hillary when she was Secretary of State on foreign travel. The Diplomatic Security service did.

[riderinthestorm]

128. Sanders isnt SOS. He's a Senator and a candidate.

Whoever accompanied Obama is who will accompany Sanders.

Do your own research.

[pnwmom]

138. Obama didn't go to a religious conference. He met with a Head of State.

Bernie, OTOH, IS going to a religious conference and he is NOT meeting with the Pope, who will be out of the country attending another event.

[riderinthestorm]

153. US Senator Clinton as a presidential candidate did however

So its a moot point you're flogging.

Senators and candidates travel overseas and attend religious conferences. For all the nitty gritty details, research those events.

Also Pope Francis has changed his schedule and is now going to Greece on the 16th.

Furthermore he has a history of stopping by these conferences.

http://ncronline.org/blogs/eco-catholic/vatican-worlds-mayors-vow-tackle-climate-change-poverty

[TheSarcastinator]

42. Open the Garage and Release the WHAAAAAAmbulance!

[JRLeft]

174. LMFAO!

😂😂😂😂😂

[imagine2015]

49. I know the answer to your question. The answer is campaign funds will not be used.

Any more questions?

Perhaps a serious one?

[pnwmom]

50. Will Federally funded Secret Service agents go with him to Italy for a non-campaign event?

[riderinthestorm]

62. Yes same as Hillary in 2007 at the Saddleback Church conference. Same as Obama in Berlin. nt

[JonLeibowitz]

65. Secret Service guards went with him to Hamilton, and that was pure entertainment.

Is the outrage here because Hillary was not invited?

[pnwmom]

76. There is no wall of separation between state and entertainment.

[thesquanderer]

104. The Secret Service is charged with people's protection regardless of the event.

Just like a President (or ex-President) doesn't lose protection when they are not conducting their official business. They're not special event body guards, they're 24-hour life protection.

[pat_k]

51. Why ask here? Fax a request for info to Senate office.

Fax is generally most effective: 202 228 0776

If you prefer, phone: [phone]

[B Calm]

55. Of all damn things to whine about. . Never ending BS!

[bobbobbins01]

59. Here is how it works...

He sacrifices a newborn on the altar of Pazuzu and the rest takes care of itself. So campaign funds are spared, the only cost of this trip is that one baby. I think that is a fair price.

[thesquanderer]

60. Already discussed to death

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511687572

(and also http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511694306 )

[pnwmom]

79. Doesn't appear that there were any clear answers there, either. n/t

[thesquanderer]

120. It seems like you are getting some answers.

But also, please see post # 58 and post # 87.

[jillan]

64. It is NOT a campaign event. Neither is it a religious event.

Get a life!

[pnwmom]

77. It's a theological conference exploring a Church document. n/t

[Fawke Em]

72. Hillary's Secret Service detail goes with her on private trips. So what?

[Armstead]

86. DoES ANYONE CARE OTHER THAN OBSESSIVES?

[beam me up scottie]

91. I'm starting to worry that they're going to stroke out before Friday.

[Armstead]

112. Yep

[pnwmom]

92. I love it that so many DUers have suddenly become Vatican supporters!

Woo-hoo!

[zigby]

102. How about Fellowship supporters?

That cool with you? All the security needed for those?

[Armstead]

106. I frankly couldn't care less except that it gets some people so upset

[zigby]

129. Clearly a pet topic to this poster

During Easter week, Pope Francis to wash the feet of 12 refugees pnwmom Mar 22 General Discussion
OP Protected by UN peacekeepers, Pope Francis plunges into central African war zone, pnwmom Nov 2015 General Discussion
OP Yayo Grassi, gay friend of Pope, says Francis's LGBT quotes have been "cherry picked and twisted." pnwmom Oct 2015 General Discussion
OP The Catholic Apprentice: The Pope vs. the Koch brothers. pnwmom Sep 2015 General Discussion
OP Pope Francis never said "abortion." But he said "Love" -- over and over again. pnwmom Sep 2015 General Discussion
OP How Pope Francis is being "Obamafied" -- in the eyes of conservatives. pnwmom Sep 2015 General Discussion
OP How Pope Francis spoke to the prisoners about the possibility of change pnwmom Sep 2015 General Discussion
OP Pope Francis tossed out his prepared speech to the meeting on families, pnwmom Sep 2015 General Discussion
OP Watching anonymous nuns in Pope Francis's audience rock out to Sister Sledge's "We are Family." pnwmom Sep 2015 General Discussion
OP The Muslim Public Affairs Council's statement on Pope Francis's visit to the US: pnwmom Sep 2015 General Discussion
OP The Pope's Homily today: on the second-class citizens who live among us . pnwmom Sep 2015 General Discussion
OP Full text of Pope Francis's remarks before the U.N. pnwmom Sep 2015 General Discussion
OP The text of Pope Francis's address to Congress: pnwmom Sep 2015 General Discussion
OP 4 SCOTUS justices, including 3/6 Catholics, to attend Pope's address to Congress. pnwmom Sep 2015 General Discussion
OP Pope Francis calls on Europe to take in refugees -- despite the concerns of some pnwmom Sep 2015 General Discussion
OP Timothy Egan, NYTimes: "The anti-Trump Cometh" -- Pope Francis pnwmom Aug 2015 General Discussion
OP Pope Francis recruits Naomi Klein, author of THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING, for climate change battle. pnwmom Jun 2015 General Discussion
OP Pope Francis, according to Limbaugh: "Every Catholic should vote for the Democrat Party." pnwmom Jun 2015 General Discussion: Primaries
OP Faux news freaks out: "Pope Francis is THE MOST DANGEROUS person on the planet!" pnwmom Jun 2015 General Discussion
OP Pope Francis's radical statement on global warming will have Repub heads spinning on Thursday pnwmom Jun 2015 General Discussion
OP Pope Francis/Cardinal Turkson: biblical teaching requires us to address climate change. pnwmom Mar 2015 General Discussion
OP Conservative/libertarian has a conniption fit over Pope Francis's errors. pnwmom Nov 2013 General Discussion
OP Wikileaks cable on Bergoglio (now Pope Francis) pnwmom Mar 2013 General Discussion
OP The bad news: the 76 year old Catholic pope, like the rest of the Vatican, opposes gay marriage.

[beam me up scottie]

136. The op loved the pope/church until now. Suddenly it's a BAD thing if a politician meets w/Catholics.

Makes you wonder if Bernie's religion is the real reason why this is so objectionable.

Maybe Bernie isn't the right kind of politician to go to the conference?

[zigby]

144. There has to be something besides partisanship behind the moral outrage...

All I know is that poster hates two things equally...Bernie Sanders and e-cigs.

[beam me up scottie]

147. Yep, this kind of obsession is not normal.

[hobbit709]

111. That's about 27,500 on the rpm there.

[beam me up scottie]

89. Camp Weathervane's collective panties are still bunched over this?

Did you call it a religious experience when Hillary was the guest of honour at Saddleback church and kissed up to Rick Warren?

And only one of our candidates is associated with the Family.

[jberryhill]

90. I remember your posts when Obama went to Berlin in 2008

You ranted incessantly about Obama's Berlin trip in 2008, so it's no surprise to see you doing it again.

[gollygee]

98. I'm sure he's following the rules

He has staff who study the rules to make sure he knows what to do. I'm so tired of both candidate's supporters going after silly "issues" like this.

[zigby]

100. How do you feel about the National Prayer Breakfasts?

Held on Thursdays, attended by congresscritters during working hours?

[hobbit709]

108. Congresscritters actually have working hours?

[zigby]

119. LOL Touche. But they argue that they works LOTS of hours!

It's almost enough to make you feel sorry for them. Almost.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/congress-averaging-70-hour-work-week

[silvershadow]

101. If so, it will be because he addressed ex-pats.

Has Hillary found the transcript yet?

[polly7]

110. Do you even realize how pathetic this looks? nt.

[markpkessinger]

114. Since he was invited by the Vatican, my bet is . . .

. . .the Vatican will pay for his travel expenses. Nice try at finding a way to smear him, though.

[pnwmom]

141. Will the Vatican pay for his Secret Service detail in Italy, too? n/t

[markpkessinger]

149. Are you serious?

This sounds exactly like the right-wing crap that was hurled at Obama over some of his foreign trips. You really should be ashamed of yourself.

[beam me up scottie]

151. ^^^THAT^^^

[Sheepshank]

116. if not campaign funds, then some corporate sponsor?

Private charter jet, hotels, meals, a little shopping, some camera action and him with almost no private funds to speak of. So it's either going to be paid via $27 individual contributions or by some wealthy donor...don't forget, the Secret Service will be on the tax payers dime...lovely

[beam me up scottie]

125. I love how jealousy is eating you guys up. Please don't stop obsessing.

[Sheepshank]

131. don't give up you day job to go into mind reading. you're not very good at it n/t

[beam me up scottie]

135. No psychic ability required, the obsession is obvious.

[polly7]

132. ........

[YOHABLO]

134. Are you all forgetting that Sanders is a U.S.Senator? Why shouldn't he be given

privileged access on behalf of U.S. citizens. I don't see this invite as some kind of campaign ploy. People are so damn cynical.

[pnwmom]

143. Senators don't get Secret Service protection. Bernie gets it as a candidate campaigning for Pres.

[Bluenorthwest]

145. Dog whistling is a special skill.

nt

[PowerToThePeople]

148. Stfu

[LiberalArkie]

160. Results

On Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:12 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Stfu
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1716691

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Stfu (shut the fuck up) is an rude and inappropriate reply to the member's posts.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:20 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is in GD-P. Why hide anything in here now that the 5 hides law is dead.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Compared to everything else said in this over the top thread, STFU is rather mild.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in t

[Omaha Steve]

161. Jury results

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Stfu (shut the fuck up) is an rude and inappropriate reply to the member's posts.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:20 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is far from offensive and not an insult. Harsh words, by themselves and without more, do not mean something is worth hiding. For example 'wtf' also isn't hide-able. We are adults and not in kindergarten.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is in GD-P. Why hide anything in here now that the 5 hides law is dead.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Compared to everything else said in this over the top thread, STFU is rather mild.

[DesertRat]

150. Good question

I was wondering about that myself. The conference is on Catholic social teaching. Here's the program: http://www.pass.va/content/dam/scienzesociali/booklet/centesimus_annus.pdf

[jmg257]

162. I heard it was Frequent Flyer miles, Hotel Rewards, and heavy AARP discounts.

[NurseJackie]

180. "AARP Discounts" ... HA!! :-D

[skepticscott]

167. Look at you people…all of you

Sanders supporters. Clinton supporters. Look at the nit-picky jerk-off shit that you're sniping at each other about. Does this help? Does this accomplish anything that really matters? Can any of you honestly say that this is about any kind of important principle, and not just about about whether you got the last shot in, about whether you can congratulate yourself that you left the other side bleeding on the ground, even though they agree with you about far, FAR more than they disagree?

You are all going to get the fucking country you deserve after this election.

And go ahead and alert the hell out of this. If it makes you feel proud of yourselves.

[B Calm]

169. What's to alert on? Compared to the mud being thrown at Bernie today, hell this is nothing.

[skepticscott]

179. People in here have gotten so sensitive

that they will alert on anything and anyone.

[AgingAmerican]

168. Can't let go?

Envy does that to a person...

Nice GOP talking point BTW...

[ecstatic]

178. No worries. He'll just create a faux controversy to rack up donations.

Those donations will easily pay for the plane gas, lodging and security for his latest quixotic adventure. He's having fun. Good for him.

[Doctor_J]

183. Rush? Is that you?

Welcome!