2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSeriously, why does Hillary Clinton need to have "white noise"?
What I are people not supposed to hear?
astrophuss42
(290 posts)Or the 99%.
Autumn
(45,060 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)anyone has the right to a private conversation.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)I don't know how this particular case came about, but they have a right to do it, as so would Bernie or anyone else.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)If I give a speech to a group, I have the right to do that, as does anyone else.
It seems like freedom and speech and right to privacy only apply to some people?
haikugal
(6,476 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)And you could do it, too.
No one gives up their rights due to running for President.
When was this, and who instigated the machine anyway? You insist it is suspicious on nothing else.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Don't waste too much time on sycophants with no credibility left
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)As a precaution though, we should elect Bernie, so that Hillary supporters won't be forced to justify any future deaths based on her "mistakes".
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)If you're promising shit to people, the voters should insist on knowing what it is.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)So do the republicans.
You don't think Cocacola is giving out their recipe do you? Well, Clinton is a brand too. Pay, or you can't play. Democracy can suck rocks.
senz
(11,945 posts)She's an oligarch.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)The white noise is to be sure people who haven't paid can't hear her for free.
global1
(25,242 posts)Why haven't we heard in MSM that this is a tactic that the Hillary camp is employing? The only place I've seen or heard anything about Hillary using 'white noise' is here on DU. Why isn't this a bigger story?
The other thing I did hear however, is two AA's talking saying that anytime Bill or Hillary talk about POC - they call it 'white noise'.
DookDook
(166 posts)I saw a lot of people claiming that it was a lie and people would claim that "it didn't happen." When people would post links to the youtube videos the goalpost was moved to, "That was just heavily edited video, they could have added in that static noise afterwards."
I know Thom Hartmann has a great quote about how it's impossible to convince people of anything when their finances require them to think otherwise. I think that's one of the major reasons why it's become so hard to have any sort of rational discussion with people who have differing views.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Oh wait, does this nonsense sound absolutely fucking ridiculous to anyone else but me?
monmouth4
(9,694 posts)that campaign..
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Obama was right, of course, but it didn't help him politically for that tape to come out.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)People who put up money for political campaigns are, by and large, suckers. They don't get much for their investment and they never get all of what they want.
But what it is easy to give is the illusion of exclusivity, the promise that for their investment of time and money, donors get something special that nobody else gets. They get to pretend that they are on the inside. They probably got a solid prediction of something about to happen, which will confirm their support down the line when it comes true.
Since Mitt Romney self-destructed by telling a flattering lie to his own supporters, it has become even easier to deliver exclusivity. Turn on the noise maker and deliver the same message in a low, conspiratorial tone. The donors think they got something special and the opposition wastes time and effort trying to discover what she said.
There really are things that a Presidential candidate cannot safely say to the public. You can't say that a state is in the bag, like New York is for Mrs. Clinton, because that will cost votes in all remaining states. You can't say that caucuses are your weak points, because that invites people to ask why that is. You can't tell supporters that you have begun shifting over to working on the general election because you'll offend voters in the remaining primary states.
Such things shouldn't be said, but if you get caught saying them, it's not the end of the world, either. So that's the sort of pap you feed the big-ticket donors in return for their support.
senz
(11,945 posts)Her instincts could easily pass for Republican.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)it could air on HBO right after "Game Change".
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)47% moment.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)and you will like it....
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)This is her second "Macaca moment" this week! Shame on her!
Buns_of_Fire
(17,175 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Whenever she talks, all I hear is white noise.
Zira
(1,054 posts)Of course most of us already know. She's promising big returns to the 1% and no prosecutions.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)or some such idiotic, ass covering, nonsense.
randome
(34,845 posts){Yawn.} No, we don't have the right to know everything she is saying to everyone at every time.
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whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Embarrassing
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Nobody is asking to know that.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)Not girls out leader. She is giving speeches to different groups all around the country. Why is she so concerned that she doesn't want her speeches to be heard by reporters.
We are not talking about private conversations. There is a difference. Hide transcripts and white noise at speeches........
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Bad Thoughts
(2,522 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)wow is this a stupid topic.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)She doesn't like to talk about her WHOLE record and when she does talk about her record she does a lot of rearranging of the facts. She won't release supposedly harmless transcripts of speeches to close to 20 corporation with ties to Wall Street. Now white noise at her speeches? There seems to be an underlying common characteristic to Hillary Clinton's behavior. Stupid topic? I don't think so.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)and you wonder why she's not open to having Bernie get a few cheap shots in? First candidate to feel obligated to release transcripts so her enemies will have fodder to help defeat her? Do you think she's a moron or something?
My god, snap out of this naive self-absorption.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)made a choice to deal with but they have also thrived and become multi millionaires many times over.
"Self absorption is defined as caring only about one's own self and one's own activities and not showing interest in the rest of the world. An example of self absorption is when you go on and on to your friend about your problems without asking how she is. YourDictionary definition and usage example."
So let's get that out of the way since it clearly doesn't fit.
I defended the Clintons since the 90's up until sometime when President Obama was running for Pesident and the Clinton's ugly side started to really show. Since then I have gone from dismayed to disgusted....with plenty of reason.
Talking about being naive! I was pretty naive back in the 90's. Not that that the Republicans were better, they were despicable gutter rats.
My eyes are wide open about the Clintons now and there are SO MANY inconsistencies of who they say they are and then how they lead their lives. What they stand for and what the actual votes says. What the record as Secretary of State says about Hillary Clinton foreign policy platform and how she tries to present herself.
I almost threw up today when I saw her speech about how she is going to right the wrong of mass incarcerations of black men and how it has destroyed families. WHAT????? Wasn't Bill and Hillary responsible for that happening? It sounded like she was reciting Bernie Sanders speech.
The white noise question is a way to be able to say things without being held accountable for them. It is plain and simple.
The Clinton's if nothing else have learned how to not leave anything to chance, giving them an opportunity to play both sides of the fence. To me it borcers on deceptive operating practices and paranoia,which does not make for a good quality for President of the United States.