Clinton wins; Congress stays same or worsens; gridlock. Sanders wins sweeping changes

[Seeinghope]

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Say Hillary Clinton wins the presidency. She will motivate every Republican to vote for the Republican candidate for President for every Republican Senator and Congressman running. Sanders wins the Presidency. He will motivate the Democrats AND Independents as well as new voters to vote for Senators and Congress.

This is just fact. Sanders attracts the Independent vote and has attracted the mellenial vote already...new voters. He will be a sure winner. Hillary Clinton not so much. She will drive all of the Republicans to vote. She won't get many millenials or Independents. She doesn't get the same enthusiasm.. Look at her rallies. How many new voters is she attracting or bring into the party?

When it comes to the Congessmen and Senators the same thing applies, Clinton won't get near as many of the millenials or Independents whereas Sanders will. He has proven how motivating he is. He will not only pick up the vote from the Democrats that would normally vote but many new voters. This is what we need. This is what Bernie Sanders can do for us and only Bernie Sanders.

[astrophuss42]

1. I will never understand

Progressives who want no change. Hell, even endorsing incremental change pretty much makes one a conservative in my eyes. Maybe I'll change my mind once I get more "comfortable".

[tk2kewl]

22. "Progressives who want no change"

add that to the list of oxymorons like "military intelligence"

[NuclearDem]

2. Sanders inspires downballot victories:

http://www.wpr.org/bradley-wins-full-term-wisconsin-supreme-court

Bradley Wins Full Term On Wisconsin Supreme Court


Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Rebecca Bradley won a 10-year term on the state's highest court after defeating appeals court Judge JoAnne Kloppenburg in Tuesday's spring election.

The Associated Press called the race shortly after 11 p.m., with Bradley leading by about 5 percent. She won with more than 52 percent of the vote.

...

"Please know that I am your justice, too. Everything I said on the campaign trail, I mean sincerely. I will always follow the law, regardless of how I feel about it," she said.

...

Her victory came as she pushed past negative headlines created over her inflammatory college writings bashing gays, AIDS suffers and feminists. Republican Gov. Scott Walker appointed Bradley to the high court in December, making her the incumbent going into the election. After the writings surfaced several weeks ago, Bradley apologized on the campaign trail and pledged that her views had changed.

Oh, wait, nevermind.

[The Old Lie]

9. Oh wait, 100,000 more Republicans voted.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. 21% of Bernie Sanders supporters did not vote for the Wisc. Democratic Supreme Court candidate.

[The Old Lie]

14. And how is it Bernie's fault?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. It's his voters fault

It seems a not inconsequential number of his supporters couldn't be bothered to vote in down ballot races. What is more alarming is the number of them who voted for the Repuke.

[demosincebirth]

29. The same as everything bad is Clinton's fault.

[chillfactor]

3. I do not agree....

Voters are so disgusted with republican gridlock, regardless of who is the Democratic nominee, she/he will carry many Democrats into office.

[COLGATE4]

4. Please look at Nuclear Dem's post right above yours.

Bernie did nothing to help the election of a very capable Democrat who was running for the Wisconsin Supreme Court. Instead they elected a terribly inept, viciously anti=gay judge in a walk. Our candidate didn't have a chance. No down ballot help at all.

[w4rma]

7. Hillary's campaign has been to tell Democratic independents that they aren't Democrats.

Hillary caused that, Bernie got them to the polls. Hillary's propaganda talked them into not voting for any other Democrat.

[LonePirate]

8. That is one of the most ridiculous statements I have seen on DU lately.

Let me rephrase your statement to illustrate how absurd it is.

I'm a Wisconsin voter who is going to vote for Bernie because I believe in Bernie but I don't believe in him enough to vote for the down ballot candidates he supports because I hate Hillary.

[w4rma]

16. Hillary has been working to separate Bernie from the Democratic Party.

There are scores of folks who switched to the Democratic Party for the *only* reason to vote for Bernie. They haven't been political for long enough to understand how important down ticket races are, but Bernie brought them into the conversation. And it wouldn't take much more work to keep them in the Democratic Party with Bernie at the top of the ticket.

But, then they here Hillary's rhetoric that is telling them things that they know to be untrue. And they see the DNC putting the DNC thumb on the election to favor Hillary. And they see 400+ superdelegates to 32 superdelegates supporting Hillary, when they can't stand Hillary and when they were already disenfranchised from the Democratic Party from years of Clintonite politics.

That's a large part of why something like 10% of Wisconsin voters left the judicial race blank. Clinton is destroying the Democratic brand, and the sooner she, and her 55% unfavorability, is disassociated with the Democratic brand, the better for Democrats.

[LonePirate]

19. If a person supports/believes Bernie, why are they more susceptible to Hillary's actions than his?

Your entire premise does not make a lick of sense.

[w4rma]

20. Your position that: Hillary's propaganda has no effect on the campaign, does not make sense.

Her attacks on new Democratic voters do not happen in a vacuum.

[LonePirate]

23. If they suport Bernie, why are they listening to/being influenced by Hillary?

Why do you think Bernie's supporters are so weak minded that they will forsake what Bernie says/does but allow themselves to be influenced by Hillary?

I honestly don't know if you think all Bernie supporters are weak-minded or if you are in awe of Hillary's ability to mentally control other people when you make claims like you have.

[w4rma]

25. I listen to both Bernie and Hillary. I support Bernie. I want to know what Hillary is saying, too.nt

[demosincebirth]

32. Well, he's been a registered Independant for decades...what does that make him?

[w4rma]

33. Thank you for making my point for me. (nt)

[COLGATE4]

27. Yeah, that must be it.

[demosincebirth]

30. Never heard of a Democrat whose affiliation is Indempendent. Like being a little pregnant.

[The Old Lie]

10. You're swallowing the propaganda

Please read the entire election results, and know it is not Bernie's fault.

Wisconsin Democratic Party didn't even bother to let the voters know that Kloppenburg was up for eleciion.

[w4rma]

18. That's another important point. Why didn't the local party advertise this?

Were they afraid that it might help turnout Bernie voters?

[WhiteTara]

5. That's not what happened in Wisconsin

11% of Bernie voters did not vote down ticket. Less than 3% of Hillary's did not vote down ticket.

[anotherproletariat]

6. Not sure where you get this idea. We have many devoted repubs in our family, and almost all

of them have told me that they would vote for Hillary over Trump...but not for Sanders because he is way too far left (and most of them are repubs because they are wealthy, so taxes are their big deal - heck two uncles even moved from CA to TX so they wouldn't have to pay state income taxes.)

[Seeinghope]

11. Well that makes total sense. Your family is Republican, Trump is crazy, Hillary Clinton is a very

Right leaning democrat and Sanders is a left leaning Democrat that also attracts Independents and green Party. There is nothing new about what you have said.

Many of the Republicans that won't vote for Trump will vote for Cruz or won't vote at all.

[redstateblues]

15. Right leaning? Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress.

That is total bullshit. In addition-I know some Republicans and they do hate Hillary, but they hate the thought of a Socialist running the government a lot more.

[Seeinghope]

34. Yep. In my estimation she is not liberal enough to ever be called a liberal democrat. Dennis Kucin

Was more of a liberal democrat.

Hillary was part of the mass incarceration of black men. She was against gay marriage until it became possible. She didn't speak up for women's equal pay rights when sitting on the board for Walmart, she voted in favor of the Bankruptcy Bill that hurt young single mothers and poor families, she is for fracking Tpp, Wallstreet Bailout, Patriot Act Authorization, Patriot Act Reauthorization, foreign Military Intervention, Keystone Pipeline, pro Death Penalty, Super Pac Fund Raising, for 2006 boarder fence legislation, offshore Drilling, Hawkish record as Secretary of State

I don't consider her positions liberal. She is pro business, pro bank, pro war, pro Wall Street.... I don't consider her associations liberal.

[Tarc]

13. "She will motivate every Republican to vote for the Republican candidate", is, of course, bullshit

In case you haven't noticed, there's a civil war over there.

[w4rma]

21. "Fifty-one percent say they wouldn’t vote for Hillary Clinton"

About 61 percent of registered voters say they’d at least consider voting for Sanders in a general election, while 38 percent said they would definitely not. The percentage saying they would not vote for him is the lowest in the entire field. Fifty-one percent say they wouldn’t vote for Hillary Clinton, though she still does better than any of the Republican candidates on that measure. Sixty-three percent say they wouldn’t vote for Trump.

http://wdtn.com/2016/04/11/sanders-lags-in-delegates-but-leads-in-likability/?cid=facebook_WDTN-TV

[Tarc]

26. In every primary season there are Bittermans

Eventually most get over it.

[w4rma]

28. From what I've seen, folks who dislike Hillary never come back to her. (nt)

[Tarc]

31. "From what I've seen..."

Bingo.

[Seeinghope]

36. Correction, I was someone who liked Hillary Clinton and fiercely defended her. Then as time went

On and I watched her campaign running against President Obama, her time resulting in a disasterous neocon record as Secretary of State, now this primary season, again filled with lies against Bernie Sanders, how could I support her anymore? I have seriously watched this woman for 24 years. I would have to be a fool to have seen what I have seen and to now know what I know about Hillary Clinton and to either ignore it or worse yet not see anything wrong with it.

[Peace Patriot]

24. Very good point, seeinghope! And welcome to DU!

I think this is the truth about Sanders and his appeal to new voters, young voters, Independents and disgruntled Republicans. HE WILL HAVE COATTAILS! And Clinton will have reverse coattails--she will be a drag on down-ticket races due her shockingly high unfavorable and untrustworthy ratings.

Thank you for this insight!

[JackRiddler]

35. Please copy check and fix your headline. Thank you.

Congress. Sanders.