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Shakespeare nailed Hillary's MO: Look like the innocent flower but be the serpent under it. (Original Post) snagglepuss Apr 2016 OP
that works for me, she'll destroy the Republicans that way. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #1
I think non Democrats will get tired of her act real quick Armstead Apr 2016 #5
they've seen it for 20 years geek tragedy Apr 2016 #9
It's on the day-old shelf already Armstead Apr 2016 #12
much more attractive when compared with Trump or Cruz. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #14
My former S.O. told me the other day she loves both Bernie and Kasich Armstead Apr 2016 #17
a lot of moderate Democrat-leaners liked George W Bush when he first started running for President. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #20
A) I don't think she looks all that innocent and thucythucy Apr 2016 #2
depends on your religious leanings: Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #6
Interesting array of images. thucythucy Apr 2016 #13
100% Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #23
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"Wolf in sheep's clothing" thucythucy Apr 2016 #10
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Yep, snake in the grass is not about women passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #15
Really? thucythucy Apr 2016 #16
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Hence also the association of snakes with women. thucythucy Apr 2016 #21
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Sounds like an awesome strategy. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #3
Yep you're right on the money! Hillary speaks with forked tongue. snagglepuss Apr 2016 #4
so tiresome. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #8
An innocent flower? When did she ever look like a flower? Weird expectation. bettyellen Apr 2016 #18
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
12. It's on the day-old shelf already
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:28 PM
Apr 2016

and items on the day old shelf don't get any fresher as time goes on

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. much more attractive when compared with Trump or Cruz.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:30 PM
Apr 2016

I'm very grateful Kasich and Rubio never got traction with them--either of our candidates probably lose to them.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
17. My former S.O. told me the other day she loves both Bernie and Kasich
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:33 PM
Apr 2016

She said she'd be happy with either.

I was a little surprised (she's a liberal who has gotten more conservative about some things) but she said even though she disagrees with Kaisich on some things she trusts him.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
20. a lot of moderate Democrat-leaners liked George W Bush when he first started running for President.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:36 PM
Apr 2016

It's hard to believe, but the talk about "compassionate conservatism" and "humble foreign policy" (yes he said that) worked.

General elections tend to bring people back onto their side of the fence.

thucythucy

(8,043 posts)
2. A) I don't think she looks all that innocent and
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

B) linking women with snakes: Gee, where have I heard that meme before?

thucythucy

(8,043 posts)
13. Interesting array of images.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:29 PM
Apr 2016

Off the top of my head:

First image is of Medusa, who was supposed to turn men into stone just by them looking at her.

Second image is Eve in the Garden tempting Adam--after being seduced by the snake. In our culture (assuming you grew up somewhere in the Western world) this idea has been used from Neolithic times on forward to cast all women as evil temptresses.

Third image is Cleopatra hugging the asp to commit suicide.

How many did I get right?

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thucythucy

(8,043 posts)
10. "Wolf in sheep's clothing"
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:24 PM
Apr 2016

is definitely better.

In case you weren't raised in a Judeo-Christian or Islamic culture, snakes and women are often conflated. It's an old misogynist meme, and it bothers me whenever it comes up.

BTW, I voted for Bernie in my primary. Even so, I hate misogyny, even if it's directed at politicians I don't support.

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passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
15. Yep, snake in the grass is not about women
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:32 PM
Apr 2016

A shady, conniving person who could strike at anytime without warning

thucythucy

(8,043 posts)
16. Really?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:32 PM
Apr 2016

And what exactly is "snake like behavior?" Crawling along the ground? Smelling with their tongues? Evolving into leglessness?

At it's best this is silly name-calling. "Corporate whore" "snake" "Hitlery" -- all about as mature as a junior high school playground.

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Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
3. Sounds like an awesome strategy.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:15 PM
Apr 2016

There are corollaries:

  • Speak softly and carry a big stick
  • The iron fist in a velvet glove

    etc
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