2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumONLINE POLLS SHOW BERNIE WON DEBATE IN LANDSLIDE!
Which means the media will hand the win to Clinton
http://www.bestpoliticalmeltdowns.com/online-polls-show-bernie-won-debate-in-landslide-which-means-the-media-will-hand-the-win-to-clinton/
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)Clinton started out pretty strong, actually I mean, yeah, I throw up in my mouth a little writing this, but its true. For a minute I was a little nervous. Then (thank you Dana Bash!) came the Wall Street speech transcript question (why wont you release them if theres nothing in them thats, you know, bad?), and Clinton sang the same old tune of when everybody else does, got defensive, couldnt get out of the corner, and from then on she pretty much got pummeled. Bernie Sanders is who he is: He stays on message, he has core issues that hes passionate and knowledgeable about, hes the guy on a mission. Shes the party pooper who says the kids can only have a tiny slice of cake and no pop because of all the sugar, the one who has the most amazing gift of dancing the sidestep, but who, tonight, was called out pretty much every time on her outright lies and misrepresentations by the CNN crew and by Bernie. He didnt cave on his position on Sandy Hook parents lawsuit, which is an unpopular position; he didnt cave on his position on Israel and Palestine; he didnt unilaterally agree to endorse President Obamas Supreme Court nominee if elected. Bernie doesnt know how to sweet-talk political style. It is what it is, and millions of us find it utterly refreshing.
Of course, when things got a little hot Clinton threw Bill under the bus on the 94 crime bill (yeah, maybe I was for it for a minute, but after all, he was the President of the United States!), then threw President Obama under the bus on Libya (yeah, maybe I had a little hand in the regime change thingy, but he was the President of the United States and made the final decision). I had an idle thought that maybe Bernie should let her walk off stage first, because who knows what she was hiding under that white coat thing she was wearing, and that place between Bernies shoulder blades, at the end of the night, must have looked pretty tempting. No, this woman would throw her husband, the President, her daughter, grandchild, mother and anyone else under the bus and worry about the tire marks later to win this thing. And you think shes going to support YOU?
senz
(11,945 posts)She is very good.
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)I heartily disapprove of op-ed criticisms of Hillary's wardrobe choices.
"... that white coat thing...." : Bernie could wear the same suit every single day and nobody would 1) notice or 2) say a word. Using her clothing to diss her is so childish.
(Having said that... if I could give her some well-meant and not critical advice, I would suggest that she wear black pants all the time and then party on with whatever pantsuit jacket and top she wants. I honestly don't think that the monochromatic look from head to toe is good on anyone, except in neutrals. It looks like pajamas. But I do like the humor with which she embraces her pantsuits.)
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)"No, this woman would throw her husband, the President, her daughter, grandchild, mother and anyone else under the bus and worry about the tire marks later to win this thing. And you think shes going to support YOU?"
corkhead
(6,119 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Why would anyone vote for such a person who has clearly demonstrated such a lack of ethics?
corkhead
(6,119 posts)It was late last summer. I asked her to tell me why she supported Hillary over Bernie and she said it was because "it is time for a woman president".
I asked her to name just one policy position that she holds that is stronger than the position Bernie holds. after a long pause her answer was "it is time for a woman president". I recently saw her ranting on Facebook about BernieBros so apparently she is still holding that position.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Heck, I'd be happy if we had a Congress full of Elizabeth Warrens, Bella Abzugs and Shirley Chisholms, with some Margaret Chase-Smiths thrown in for balance.
But Hillary is NOT the kind of woman I want in the White House.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Seeinghope
(786 posts)TMontoya
(369 posts)Congruente
(41 posts)Is there a margin of error?
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)Bernie always wins online polls. Primaries, not so much.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)BainsBane
(53,031 posts)With 3.7% voter turnout (except WI). My point holds. Hillary has won and will continue to win more primaries and more votes than Bernie.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Meanwhile: WHERE ARE THE TRANSCRIPTS CLINTON PROMISED 70 DAYS AGO?
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)It gets really irritating when you all act like I have some sort of inside track to Clinton. I'm an ordinary voter, and I don't give a shit about those transcripts. I know your allies in corporate media are keen on it because it's utterly contentless and has nothing to do with the lives of American voters. Meanwhile, they say nothing about the continual string of campaign finance violations by someone who claims he can reform the entire system.
I'm sorry mining the billion dollars in GOP opp research hasn't been enough to take Clinton down, and now you're desperate for new material because your candidate can't win on the merits.
Your shouting is rude. Your claim is also false. She did not promise to release them. She said she would look into it. She did, and they learned no one gives a shit. Meanwhile, Bernie and Jane have earned 8 Pinocchios for falsely claiming they already released their full taxes.
I am under no obligation to put up with your tantrums. I'm through with you.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)PufPuf23
(8,767 posts)Its is not worth the effort to type anymore in response to your post.
msongs
(67,395 posts)Califonz
(465 posts)Clinton gets booed, Sanders gets standing ovation, yet Clinton "won" according to CNN, NYT, WaPo, etc.
More shameless than Pravda in Soviet times.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)knew they were being bamboozled.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)riversedge
(70,195 posts)jimmy_crack_corn
(79 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,706 posts)losing.
rock
(13,218 posts)Yeah, better get that defense started early.