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Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:13 PM

My take on the Papal Meeting

I believe Bernie Sanders was given an "accidental meeting" which essentially is a situation where I can't formally meet with you but we can run into each other in a hallway. They said a few words and there were no photographs. I'm pretty sure this was pre-arranged with rules established otherwise someone on Sanders staff would have nabbed a photograph.

The Pope and Bernie agree on a few things economically so it makes sense the Pope would say hi but wouldn't want to seem like he is injecting himself into an election.

I also think Bernie's team inflated the meeting afterwards and got a literal Papal smack down with the Pope basically saying I didn't plan it he was just there.

I don't believe it was a true accident otherwise there would be pictures and I also don't believe he was granted a private audience.

I also think NY is a foregone conclusion by both campaigns with Hillary in California and Bernie in Italy.

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Reply My take on the Papal Meeting (Original post)
Trenzalore Apr 2016 OP
Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #1
Lucinda Apr 2016 #2
Trenzalore Apr 2016 #3
Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #4
Trenzalore Apr 2016 #5
liberal from boston Apr 2016 #24
Trenzalore Apr 2016 #25
liberal from boston Apr 2016 #27
merrily Apr 2016 #6
Trenzalore Apr 2016 #10
merrily Apr 2016 #13
Trenzalore Apr 2016 #21
merrily Apr 2016 #22
lunamagica Apr 2016 #34
merrily Apr 2016 #38
lunamagica Apr 2016 #39
merrily Apr 2016 #40
pdsimdars Apr 2016 #23
uponit7771 Apr 2016 #7
MADem Apr 2016 #8
cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #18
MADem Apr 2016 #36
cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #37
Romulox Apr 2016 #9
ibegurpard Apr 2016 #11
Trenzalore Apr 2016 #12
merrily Apr 2016 #14
Trenzalore Apr 2016 #17
merrily Apr 2016 #19
Trenzalore Apr 2016 #20
ibegurpard Apr 2016 #15
Trenzalore Apr 2016 #16
IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #43
2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #26
Trenzalore Apr 2016 #30
2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #35
3hummingbirds Apr 2016 #28
Fairgo Apr 2016 #29
AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #31
lunamagica Apr 2016 #32
Trenzalore Apr 2016 #33
passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #41
Cha Apr 2016 #42
NurseJackie Apr 2016 #44
Cha Apr 2016 #45

Response to Trenzalore (Original post)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:17 PM

1. Accusing the Pope of lying? Holy (quite literally) flying fuck!

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:17 PM

2. No kidding. n/t

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:18 PM

3. It's that or Bernie stalked a lobby hoping he'd get a handshake like a fanboy at comic con. nt

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:20 PM

4. There are other scenarios. Just sayin' I'd back away from "The Pope lied" aspect. Damn, man.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:21 PM

5. The Pope has a political position

and this is a typical political scenario.

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 04:38 PM

24. Go Bernie


WOW!!! Here are the Facts: Comment posted on DU:
"Bernie said that he, his wife and Monsignor Soldano met with the Pope and Bernie was very clear when he emphasized that this was not an endorsement. It was not political! It was just a nice moment.

The Pope is saying the same thing! He and Bernie met, and anyone who interjects politics into this need to "see a psychiatrist." The Pope's own words.

I don't know how much clearer EVERYONE WHO WAS THERE can be!

The Daily Need Bin, a Clinton Campaign website that is used to spread Clinton talking points, recklessly speculated that the Pope made a "strong rebuke of Sanders." OMG...just no.

The Pope said no such thing! LOL...not even close!

These talking Clinton points need to be reworked into something that isn't completely laughable.

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Response to liberal from boston (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 04:40 PM

25. I don't think the Clinton campaign has talking points on this

More people speculating on an internet discussion board

As part of more speculation. Both candidates are out of the state that votes on Tuesday for two days. Wonder what their polls say.

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 04:45 PM

27. Go Bernie


"Bernie said that he, his wife and Monsignor Soldano met with the Pope and Bernie was very clear when he emphasized that this was not an endorsement. It was not political! It was just a nice moment.

The Pope is saying the same thing! He and Bernie met, and anyone who interjects politics into this need to "see a psychiatrist." The Pope's own words. "

I don't know how much clearer EVERYONE WHO WAS THERE can be!

The Daily Need Bin, a Clinton Campaign website that is used to spread Clinton talking points, recklessly speculated that the Pope made a "strong rebuke of Sanders." OMG...just no.

The Pope said no such thing! LOL...not even close!

These talking Clinton points need to be reworked into something that isn't completely laughable.

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Response to Trenzalore (Original post)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:24 PM

6. A spokesperson for the Vatican is part of the Sanders campaign? Who knew?

A spokesman for the Vatican confirmed the meeting and said they spoke about foreign policy and climate change before the pontiff headed to the Greek island of Lesbos to see a refugee camp. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-met-pope-francis/story?id=38444250

The Pope does not want to be seen as meddling in US Politics. That does not equal smacking down Sanders. DU is so unreal.

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Response to merrily (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:27 PM

10. Seems like he is distancing himself from Bernie

"When I came down, I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more. This is called good manners and it is not getting involved in politics," -Pope Francis

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:44 PM

13. I got that you think that, but my prior post addressed it.

BTW, you went from "smack down" to "distance."

If the pope had wanted to smack Bernie down or distance himself, his spokesperson would not have confirmed the meeting, including citing the subjects about which they spoke. The Vatican is not a democracy and Vatican spokespersons don't have first amendment rights. Believe what you want, though.

The amount of crap that has been posted about Bernie, the Vatican, etc since April 8 is amazing.

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Response to merrily (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 04:01 PM

21. We didn't have an actual conversation

After Bernie tweets they did, is pretty much calling Bernie a liar.

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 04:06 PM

22. AGAIN, my prior post addressed this point.

Repeating a point I've already addressed without refuting my point wastes your time and mine. Please stop doing that. Thanks.

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Response to merrily (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:09 PM

34. They confirmed the meeting whan they saw the Sandes Camp was tirning it into some thing that

it wasn't.

The subjects about which they spoke? "When I came down, he introduced himself, I greeted him with a handshake, and nothing more,” - Pope Francis.

According to the Pope, they didn't speak about anything.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #34)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:40 AM

38. Making up crap because you hate Sanders is not helpful, especially to you. Give it a rest.

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Response to merrily (Reply #38)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:43 AM

39. Another one who has to rely on personal attacks

I can't wait until Tuesday...it's going to be a happy happy, victorious day for HRC and her supporters!

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #39)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:48 AM

40. No attack at all. Unless you were at the Vatican, your post was made up and you clearly hate

Sanders. Calling obvious truth a personal attack doesn't make it a personal attack
You had to rely on made up stuff. I only described your post for what it obviously was.

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 04:09 PM

23. I hear you loud and clear

 


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Response to Trenzalore (Original post)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:25 PM

7. “This morning as I was leaving, Senator Sanders was there,” Francis said. “He knew I was coming out

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Response to Trenzalore (Original post)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:25 PM

8. Of course--the minute he said he was staying overnight at the Saint Martha dorm anyone who wasn't

clueless knew what the deal was. You can thank Sachs and Sanchez Sorondo for that bit of machination.

I think the Pope thinks he's getting back at the GOP, though, for the Kim Davis stunt--he doesn't realize it's a bigger fish frying, here.

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Response to MADem (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:49 PM

18. Isn't it true that ALL BUT TWO of those invited to and attending the conference stayed there?

 

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 07:24 PM

36. No idea. But why stay at all, when you've got a plane sitting at Fiumicino?

Turn around, get on the plane, and fly back to NYC for a day of campaigning. Sleep on the a/c.

Makes much more sense--unless, of course, you want to stalk the halls of a dorm looking for IL PAPA ...!

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Response to MADem (Reply #36)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 07:34 PM

37. Mmmmkay.

 

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Response to Trenzalore (Original post)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:25 PM

9. I know I have personally "run into" the Pope on several occasions.

These guys are known to let anybody who wants to approach the Pontiff.

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Response to Trenzalore (Original post)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:27 PM

11. Because we were all waiting breathlessly for your take...

And who are you again?

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:29 PM

12. You took the time to reply

Hi, I'm some random guy from PA looking forward to Bernie's concession speech Tuesday

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:45 PM

14. Gee, we never would have guessed from your OP.

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Response to merrily (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:48 PM

17. See you Tuesday

Good Luck

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:50 PM

19. Didn't like having your biased take labeled as biased? Awww.

Your attempt to gloat is clueless. I have not been living from primary to primary.

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Response to merrily (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:52 PM

20. I never claimed to be unbiased

I think my last line.

Bernie is in Italy and Hillary is in California tells you what both campaigns think about NY is about as much of a tell I could give outside of changing my logo to an H. I like PA better than Hillary though.

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:46 PM

15. paid by the post or by the word?

What's the going rate?

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:47 PM

16. Be pretty broke

I only post on here really on weekends in between chores.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:24 AM

43. He's racking them up: Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:22 PM

 

Only been here a month.

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Response to Trenzalore (Original post)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 04:44 PM

26. Look another Hillarian who thinks their opinion matters.

 

LOL, they are so fucking jealous it is off the rails. Fucking Hillarious. (double l's intended) But they aren't worried about Bernie at all.

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Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 04:53 PM

30. Looking forward to Tuesday

Good luck to you

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:11 PM

35. at least we didn't have to spread lies

 

If Bernie had started a little earlier (she's been gearing up for this for 12 years) she never would have gotten out of the gate. Heaven help us all if she wins.

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Response to Trenzalore (Original post)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 04:45 PM

28. Vatican visit

It's not like Bernie just decided he would go to Rome and hope he could get into the Vatican.

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Response to Trenzalore (Original post)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 04:52 PM

29. We've reached the part of the debate

Where the pigeon knocks over the chess pieces.

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Response to Trenzalore (Original post)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 04:54 PM

31. lol

 

The desperation keeps snowballing

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Response to Trenzalore (Original post)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:03 PM

32. This is what the Pope said: “This morning as I was leaving, Senator Sanders was there"

“This morning as I was leaving, Senator Sanders was there,” Francis said. “He knew I was coming out at that time, and he had the kindness to greet me.”

“When I came down, he introduced himself, I greeted him with a handshake, and nothing more,” the pope added. “It’s common courtesy, this is called common courtesy."

And you know what? I believe him.

Accusing The Pope of Lying? Not cool

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #32)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:05 PM

33. The one thing I will concede to the Sanders crowd

You don't accidentally run into the Pope at the Vatican.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #32)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:04 AM

41. What the Pope said might not have meant what it sounded like

This is what Sachs said the Pope did in the meeting with Sanders. He was there.

Pope Francis “thanked the senator formally for coming to the Vatican and for participating in the meeting at the Academy,” Sachs recounted, adding that the Pope explained that an earlier start than expected this morning meant he couldn’t greet the conference participants last night as has had been originally planned. “He thanked the senator for understanding and appreciated that he had come and participated,” Sachs said. “The senator wished him well on today's journey and the Pope wished Senator Sanders and his wife very well and then the meeting concluded and the Pope left for Greece.”

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/pope-francis-meets-bernie-sanders-vatican-confirms/#ixzz4633ABBnr

When the Pope said: This is "nothing more" to the reporters on the plane
I believe he was saying nothing political was said. It was just gracious words of thanks, greetings and well wishes to each other. It was nothing political. I think that is what the Pope meant when talking to the reporters. I don't think it makes him a liar, nor does it contradict what he said on the plane with what Sachs said about the meet and greet. It was just a convenient way to answer their question.

It does not make the Pope a liar, just that he was establishing that the meeting was not an endorsement or his getting involved in our political campaign. I don't know what was said prior to his answer to the reporters. Maybe they asked him is he was endorsing Sanders and that was his reply. People need to stop trying to be so literal.

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Response to Trenzalore (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:23 AM

42. There was no "meeting" .. it was only a forced greeting..


AlGiordano ‎‎@AlGiordano
Full context of the Pope's quotes on the plane about his brief encounter with Sanders:http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2016/04/16/pope-francis-calls-sanders-greeting-only-common-courtesy/
6:14 AM - 16 Apr 2016
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https://theobamadiary.com/2016/04/16/west-wing-week-21/#comments

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Response to Cha (Reply #42)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:03 AM

44. BS&Co. continue to use misleading descriptions. IT WAS NOT A PRIVATE AUDIENCE.

He "met" the pope only in the sense that he snagged him in the foyer (at 6AM) as the Pope was leaving for Greece.

Bernie did not "meet with" the Pope. Such phrasing implies that he had an audience with the Pope. This simply did not happen, yet Bernie, his campaign, and his supporters continue to use misleading and inaccurate phrasing like that. WHY?

Bernie did not have a "private meeting" with the Pope. A "private meeting" is BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, and generally when a high-profile meeting like that occurs, there'll be PHOTOGRAPHERS in a formal RECEPTION ALL and perhaps an traditional giving or exchanging of gifts, mementos, or tokens of appreciation. (And an actual meeting will certainly last for longer than the duration of whatever niceties that can be blurted out during a handshake!)

NONE of those things happened ... and still, Bernie, his campaign and his supporters continue to use misleading and accurate phrasing that gives the wrong impression of the exact nature of the "meeting". WHY?

From the very beginning, BS&Co have been cagey and less than forthcoming about the who's why's how's and very nature of the trip. FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

We've seen this type of behavior before in one of Bernie's early TV ads where he takes a flattering quote (about Bernie) that comes from an endorsement of Hillary ... then sandwiched-in that quote WITHIN a short list of others that have actually endorsed him ... THUS GIVING THE FALSE APPEARANCE that he was endorsed by that paper that didn't.

A clever trick, but misleading. That doesn't speak well for the character of a campaign of a man who takes such personal pride in such things. WHAT ARE WE TO MAKE OF THAT when we look at the evidence instead of the "words words words"?

I learned a lot about Bernie's Weekend with the Pope ... but the message I got isn't the one that Bernie and his campaign were trying to create. I wasn't fooled.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #44)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:34 AM

45. BS, his campaign, his surrogates.. they all use misleading and insulting language.. they're

so full of it.. like that's going to make anyone think he belongs in the White House.

OH that's right .. I forgot about that shite scheme of his.. take a newspaper that endorsed Hillary and take a flattering quote about him in that very endorsement and insinuate the newspaper endorsed him instead.

I was hoping at the time that Newspapers that endorsed Hillary would just not say anything nice about BS because he would just steal it as an endorsement.

They never did have faith in their grassroots revolution. This is all on BS.. he hired all those craven managers and thought he could win by playing the purity card and all the while being the opposite.

berni got busted in Rome by the Pope.. not something you'd want to take away from your Roman Holiday.

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