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Sun Apr 17, 2016, 02:46 PM

What percentage of Hillary supporters were for Hillary in 2008?

I bet a lot of Democratic voters who are backing Hillary really wanted her to win back in 2008, rather than Obama, and never got that yearning fulfilled. Almost half the party was for Hillary in that election. For the average person, once you've set your mind on something it can be very difficult to see any other perspective. So support for Hillary in 2016 would just be getting satisfaction that was denied the last time around.

Another large chunk, overlapping with the above, is older Dems who, like almost all members of their generation, were brainwashed into fearing "socialism" in past decades. They still can't get past that label now.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/rampage/wp/2016/02/05/millennials-have-a-higher-opinion-of-socialism-than-of-capitalism/

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Reply What percentage of Hillary supporters were for Hillary in 2008? (Original post)
TheDormouse Apr 2016 OP
Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #1
silvershadow Apr 2016 #2
lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #3
840high Apr 2016 #12
democrattotheend Apr 2016 #4
Tanuki Apr 2016 #5
Hoyt Apr 2016 #6
still_one Apr 2016 #7
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #8
jwirr Apr 2016 #9
Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #10
quickesst Apr 2016 #16
Trenzalore Apr 2016 #11
pat_k Apr 2016 #13
JoePhilly Apr 2016 #14
Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #19
OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #21
fleur-de-lisa Apr 2016 #15
geek tragedy Apr 2016 #17
Dem2 Apr 2016 #18
TheDormouse Apr 2016 #20
Marrah_G Apr 2016 #22
speaktruthtopower Apr 2016 #23
StevieM Apr 2016 #24

Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 02:49 PM

1. I supported and campaigned for Obama.

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:01 PM

3. I'm for Sanders today, but I supported Clinton in '08. n/t

 

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:18 PM

12. Same here.

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:03 PM

4. I was for Obama in 08, Bernie now

But I don't hate Hillary. I just found candidates I liked better both times.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:05 PM

5. I supported Obama in 2008, but liked both of them

and would have heartily supported HRC in the general if she had been the nominee that year.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:06 PM

6. Would have been fine with Clinton, but Obama was my favorite.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:07 PM

7. I was for president Obama all the way in 2008, and am for Hillary this time around

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:09 PM

8. Well, yes I was for Hilary during the primaries and when Hillary withdrew I was as

Hard behind Obama as I was Hillary, did not want him primaried in 2012. He has been fine presidents and think in coming years he will be remembered as a great president.

If you can get last the fact of $30 a week wages as in Cuba then maybe you are ready for socialism. I have looked at Sanders agenda and over ten years it will cost $17 billion, Hillary's agenda will cost $1 billion over ten years. Somebody is going to have to pay and it will be the young people who will have to pay, the old people will not be here to help you. Even Sanders is not being truthful on the cost of his agenda.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:11 PM

9. I supported Obama in 08.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:13 PM

10. Well, ya got me. I supported Hillary in 2008 and I'm old.

I'm supporting Hillary today because I think she has the most all around experience and the best chance of winning the GE. I appreciate her stance on women's rights and human rights. She has already met and formed relationships with many, if not most, world leaders and is well versed in foreign policy.

I appreciate the fact that she is also working to get other Democrats elected. It's going to take more Democrats in Congress to get a Democratic agenda passed.

I know, I know. You'll point to polls that show Bernie winning the GE, also, but Bernie hasn't been vetted by the rw slime machine. Hillary has, and she is still leading all candidates, from both parties, in popular vote and delegate count.

ETA: when the dust cleared in 2008 and the nominee was decided, I threw my support to Obama with no hesitation.



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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:19 PM

16. This Arkansas native...

... is right there with you. Almost the exact same scenario then, and now.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:14 PM

11. I supported Obama in 2008

Actually a lot of people that were for Obama in the 2008 primary locally are for Hillary. I even know a family that was for Hillary in 2008 that is for Bernie now.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:31 PM

13. The split for hillary in NY polls now seems to be...

... about the same as it was in her favor against Obama.

The wildcard here is turnout. In New York whole lot of those "likely Democratic voters" polled are ones who voted for her for Senate and than later voted for or against her for pres. It shouldn't be surprising that those voters are breaking her way. But I think there are a lot of voters, mainly younger, who will be turning out, who don't fit the pollster criteria for "likely Democratic voter."

Time will tell. About 60 hours from know we'll know.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:31 PM

14. I supported Obama but would have happily voted for Clinton.

And hey look ... another asshat accusing those who support Hillary of being "brainwashed".

The shallowness of your "political analysis" is really very striking.





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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:27 PM

19. +1

Same here. I supported Obama but would have voted for Hillary in a heartbeat.

Agreeing with your post in its entirety.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:37 PM

21. I'm proud of my clean brain.

Perhaps our OP is suffering from pea-ness envy.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:55 PM

15. Obama all the way.

Obama in 2008 and 2012, Bernie now.

Even though I am a woman, I have never supported Hillary. I don't hate her, but I will never vote for her.

Now if Elizabeth Warren was running, I would have quit my job and sold my house to follow her around the country to work for her campaign.

Hillary is too corrupt for me and always has been.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:22 PM

17. Obama in 2008, couldn't stand her

 

But have grown to rethink a lot of that negativity, and respect how she took care of business after losing in 2008.

I favor repealing the 22nd amendment though.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:23 PM

18. I'm just brainwashed

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:24 PM

20. I wonder how well DU members' experiences mirror those of normal people



But, of course, I don't deny that Hillary could appeal to those looking for Obama 3.0.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:42 PM

22. I was for Hillary in 08 and am now for Sanders.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:44 PM

23. I think a lot of her support comes from people who felt bad about letting her down in 2008..

i.e. blacks who liked Bill but couldn't pass up the chance to vote for Obama.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:59 PM

24. I was for Hillary in 2008 and I am for Hillary in 2016. But I don't think the race breaks down along

those lines. In other words, I don't think it comes down to Hillary vs. Obama/Sanders voters in 2008 and 2016.

There are plenty of people who didn't vote for Hillary in 2008 who are with her this time around. And there are a lot of people who supported her in 2008 that are with Sanders now.

That's the way it is supposed to work. People look at the different candidates in an election and decide who they want in a given election year. And sometimes people want different types of candidates and policies and different years.

I don't think the issue is that people have been brainwashed. It's that older voters have memories of losing with McGovern, and even Dukakis. We have seen elections where a candidate lost simply because they were seen as liberal, whatever exactly that means to a given voter. The general feeling is that Bernie may be strong now, but by Election Day he will be in big trouble.

I agree that things are changing and the younger generation is far less easily turned away by liberal candidate. But we are not quite there yet IMO. I do think we have reached the point where Elizabeth Warren could run, openly take the liberal label, and win. And perhaps someone like Bernie could win in 20 years.

Of course, another explanation is that I am just wrong. I have no problem with another Democrat looking at it that way. I am just using my own judgment and coming to my own conclusion. In 2016 I think Hillary has a much better shot of turning her poll numbers around then Bernie does of living down the onslaught he will get if he is nominated.

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