Disappointing, Berners? Sure. NOT Devastating.

[Human101948]

Disappointing day for Bernie and supporters, but far from devastating, as the Spinners-That-Be will be mightily spinning it.

The reason? This:

While in 2008, Obama won only one county of 64 in Clinton's "home state" of New York; this time, Sanders took FIFTY counties to Clinton's twelve.

(Think about that for a coupla seconds... and how such a change reflects something of that eyebrow-raising,negative national favorability number.) And, since delegates are awarded by congressional district, Clinton looks to only net 30 delegates with her win (final results not yet in)... what looked like a substantial win didn't amount to a substantial net gain.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/20/1517778/-Disappointing-Berners-Sure-NOT-Devastating

Is Hillary really a strong candidate?

[book_worm]

1. And yet the margin of victory for HRC was roughly the same

vs. Sanders as vs. Obama.

So are the delegates, but the thing is for Bernie to get the nomination he needs to actually win more than small, lily white caucus states and he just isn't doing it and he needs to win big and he isn't.

[Human101948]

4. Why are you prejudiced against white people?

Hillary Clinton’s Support Among Nonwhite Voters Has Collapsed

Of Clinton’s five post-March 1st Election Day wins, four (Mississippi, Louisiana, Florida, and North Carolina) were in the South, and were made possible by a level of support among nonwhite voters that Clinton no longer enjoys. Indeed, this coalition was already collapsing when Clinton won in Florida and North Carolina on March 15th. At the polls in North Carolina on Election Day, Clinton won just 52 percent to 48 percent, including the tens of thousands of provisional ballots cast (which, still being counted, have gone, as expected, 57 percent for Senator Sanders). In Florida, the 36-point edge Clinton held in the first three weeks of early voting (February 15th to March 7th) dwindled to a 13.4-point edge among those who made their decision regarding who to vote for from March 8th to March 15th.

In short, the Clinton campaign is in the midst of an historic collapse — much of it due to the unraveling of support for Clinton among nonwhite voters — and the national media has yet to take any notice.

Clinton’s 48-point lead in New York less than two weeks ago is now just a 12-point lead, according to the latest Quinnipiac Poll. That poll shows Sanders with approximately 300 percent more support among African-American voters in New York than he had in Mississippi earlier this month.

--more--

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/hillary-clintons-support-_b_9579544.html

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. The English professor should go back to grading English papers.

Hillary Clinton’s Support Among Nonwhite Voters Has Collapsed

-Seth Abramson

The English professor should go back to grading English papers. Secretary Clinton won African American voters 75-25 and Hispanic voters 64-36 in New York. Don't take DSB's word for it:


http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/NY/Dem

If these numbers hold and there's no reason to believe they won't Senator Sanders will get shellacked in the Golden State.

[mythology]

2. The difference is that Obama was able to win a bunch of states that Sanders wasn't

And by wasn't I mean wasn't even competitive in. All those southern states that some Sanders supporters discount, Obama won them. Not coincidentally, he won the nomination as well.

[Adrahil]

3. Can't wait to see HA HA Goodman's take on last night. It's sure to be epic. NT

[workinclasszero]

14. Me too!!!!!!

Its going to be a laugh riot no doubt!!!!!!!

[B Calm]

5. If she wins the nomination we'll lose in November.

[wendylaroux]

7. yup,then it will be entertaining to look back here,for

all the wailing and gnashing of teeth. oh my.

[B Calm]

10. No, it will be devasting to the democratic party.

[wendylaroux]

12. the party is already devastated.

[B Calm]

16. When the democratic party selects an ex president of young republicans

to be their candidate, you know we are in deep trouble.

[wendylaroux]

31. I agree... nt

[merrily]

6. Cross posting from Jackpine Radicals

Bernie Sanders for President

merrily -

When we started this campaign, we were down almost 50 points in New York — the state where Hillary Clinton was elected to two terms in the U.S. Senate.

We didn’t get the victory we had hoped for this evening, but what’s important is that it looks like we’re going to win a lot more delegates in New York than any state that voted or caucused before tonight.

So what does that mean? Five important states vote one week from tonight, with more delegates at stake than Hillary Clinton led by coming into tonight. And if we do well next Tuesday, we remain in a position to take the pledged delegate lead when almost 700 delegates are up for grabs on June 7.

As you read this, thousands of supporters are responding to tonight’s results with contributions because they believe we can win. I need to know if I can count on you to add yours.

Match your previous $-- contribution to our campaign tonight, and we are going to have the resources we need to do very well next week and to take the pledged delegate lead on June 7.

From the day we started this campaign, the corporate media counted us out. The political establishment and financial elite organized against us. But every great movement in American history faced many of the same obstacles and eventually won because of a simple, timeless human truth: when people come together, when they stand together even through adversity, they win.

And so will we.

In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders

merrily needs you to know some stuff:

With the wind at Obama's back, including media and many Party PTB, Obama got a smaller share of the NY vote than did Sanders.

Hillary/Obama in New York 2008: Hillary 57.4% to Obama 40.3% while she defeated Bernie in New York by 57.9%
Hillary/Sanders in New York 2016 Hillary 57.9% to Sanders 42.1% I think Obama was ahead in general going into New York, though.

This is about a Presidential primary, but it is also about so much more.
[url]http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?5448-Sea-changes-in-US-politics-thanks-to-Senator-Sanders-and-his-supporters[/url]

In addition to the sea changes mentioned in the above-linked post, this primary has exposed the corruption of the DNC, some state Democratic parties and the mass media and the lengths to which the PTB will go to protect the status quo. It has also highlighted the absence of democracy inherent in the institution of super delegates and in closed primaries, unreasonable registration deadlines. I believe with all my heart that US politics will either change or people will begin to rise up and change them.

If you give up on Bernie now, you ensure that voters' only choice for the foreseeable the future will be a registered Republican or a registered Republican turned registered Democrat who is not openly racist, homophobic or anti-choice, but who may run a "racially-tinged" political campaign, come out for equal marriage only after the SCOTUS has declared unequal marriage unconstitutional, and offer Constitutional amendments to "compromise" on reproductive choice (or worse, because we are already at what this paragraph describes). Please see also [url]http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php?187-Why-are-Third-Way-Democrats-even-better-for-Wall-Street-than-Republicans-are[/url]

Many primaries remain [url]http://www.mytimetovote.com/2016-Primary-Election-Dates.html[/url] While votes were being counted in that mess last night, Sanders was campaigning in Pennsylvania.

Minimum donation is $1. This is the donation link.

[url]https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/jackpineradicals4bernie[/url]

[SidDithers]

11. ...

Sid

[workinclasszero]

15. SEND MOR MONEZ!!!!!!

Couldn't see that coming eh?

[merrily]

17. Did you have a point? Have you never donated to a campaign? This is what campaigns send donors.

I get these emails because I'm a donor.

[workinclasszero]

19. Bernie fans are getting a piss poor return for their investments into his campaign

is my point.

But hey Bernie's brain trust will be happy to spend more of yall's $$$ if you send it to them, I have no doubt!

[merrily]

20. I appreciate your concern, but I am far more capable than you to determine whether I am getting

what I want for my donations.

How about you worry about your own crappy returns on your own "investments?"

[workinclasszero]

23. Oh my investment are paying off BIG

Thanks for your concern.

[merrily]

25. Then you either didn't understand my cross post or want a different world than I do. No surprise.

But, you make my point. I am in a position to decide whether or not I am getting what I want for my donations. You are not.

[randome]

28. "...the corporate media counted us out." Well, they were sort of right this time, weren't they?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. Oh, it's devastating

Last week, many Sandersites were proclaiming that you'd win New York.

Then, within the last few days, the new goal was to keep it in single digits. Indeed, many were so confident of the single digits line that it was shouted up and down the corridors here yesterday as if it was a done deal.

A few of the really deluded ones decided that keeping the Clinton victory less than 20 points or 60% would be a total "humiliation" for Clinton! Talk about being able to read a trend line but not being able to interpret it!

Clinton took New York by 16 points. Sanders didn't win a county south of the Tappan Zee. He got shellacked in New York City, losing all five boroughs YUUUUUUGGE. The commuter counties also went big for Clinton, including Suffolk!

And now, we're at the old Republican canard of evaluating land mass in an election.

Needless to say, the margin of victory in some counties (Queens County, for example) swamps the total vote in many of the others (we could do the analysis, but it really is a monumental waste of time).

We do wonder how many states Bernie will have to lose next week for it to be "devastating." What if he loses all of them?

[workinclasszero]

18. "And now, we're at the old Republican canard of evaluating land mass in an election."

Ridiculous isn't it? SMH

[merrily]

21. Don't get it twisted. Republicans are the ones who LOVE elections based on land mass.

It's Democrats who do not.

[firebrand80]

13. Gee, it seems like I've heard that one somewhere before

Substantial win, not a large delegate gain.

Proportional allocation is part of the reality that makes it so difficult for Bernie to mount a comeback. Funny that we don't hear his supporters talk about small net delegate hauls after a YUGE win in Wyoming.

[merrily]

22. It's bizarre that you'd think that funny, rather than SOP. I don't recall hearing a lot of

negativity about Hillary coming from her supporters, nor would I expect to.

[Impedimentus]

24. Time to send Bernie another $12 --- Thanks for the post.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

[apcalc]

26. It's not about land mass or counties

That's the R argument. ( look at all that red!). It's about votes.

[COLGATE4]

27. 'Tis but a flesh wound'. nt

[spinbaby]

29. This was supposed to be an easy win for her

Instead she had to campaign hard and rely on voter suppression to win. Having competition is making her campaign spend a lot more money than it had anticipated. Bottom line is that she's going broke and still has a fight in front of her, hence all the calls for Bernie to drop out for the good of the party.

[pat_k]

30. In it until every state has voted.

This is too important. And it's about more than the nomination.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511507143