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Call it Skinner. nt (Original Post) Autumn Apr 2016 OP
Thank you Autumn. You are a good person. It was a well fought campaign. ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #1
and SandersDem Apr 2016 #6
Autumn is the host leader of the Bernie Sander's group on DU. ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #8
Wow. peace13 Apr 2016 #19
Do what I am doing, I am still donating to Bernie and I am still supporting him. Autumn Apr 2016 #25
Then what is your point here? peace13 Apr 2016 #39
Neither does arguing which is the best candidate on this message board make any sense. Autumn Apr 2016 #40
Really, none of it makes any sense. peace13 Apr 2016 #56
Ending the vitriol isn't wrong. It's a good idea. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #76
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #97
Seconded obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #101
+3 Hekate Apr 2016 #172
Amen Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #176
^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #265
Here's what happened when I attempted to engage one of yours in bridge-building... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #268
Listen, we all have those. It's what you choose to do with it. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #274
Very true Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #310
Lol, all of the sudden you hill fans want to play nice? Nt Logical Apr 2016 #318
No more arguing (here) from me. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #77
Meh, screw the oligarchy smashing Aerows Apr 2016 #200
Yea, let's let them have it... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #269
Thank you, Autumn, for daring to speak the unspeakable. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #147
That's right because it clearly does not matter which candidate is best, it would seem. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #273
California hasn't even voted yet emsimon33 Apr 2016 #327
Yes - what IS your point here????? n/t Peregrine Took Apr 2016 #276
Why did you call attention to Skinner you do not speak for me bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #157
I didn't speak for you. I said Skinner should call it, officialy. We know where he stands. Autumn Apr 2016 #170
I think the vitriol has hardened feelings brer cat Apr 2016 #222
TREMENDOUS respect for you Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #207
Then why this fucking post? Nt Logical Apr 2016 #317
Are you referring to Proudtobeliberal's post or the OP ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #93
You may need a remedial class on the use of punctuation. Scuba Apr 2016 #21
My apologies, can you provide the correct punctuation? Thank you nt ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #24
Compare this OP, "Call it Skinner" with other OP's titled "Call it, Skinner." Scuba Apr 2016 #102
Let me be clear here, I am NOT calling for a slow transition to GE setting. Autumn Apr 2016 #48
Ok, but you are calling for some kind of transition. I didn't know how else to put it...nt ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #55
No I am not. Autumn Apr 2016 #57
You want to stop arguing which candidate is better and start focusing on the issues. ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #59
No, I want Sanders supporters to discuss the issues we face and work on getting Bernie elected . Autumn Apr 2016 #119
I understand that desire. Respectfully, I think you're going about it the wrong way. Bubzer Apr 2016 #226
Freudian slip? nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #235
Where is the Freudian slip in what I posted? Autumn Apr 2016 #252
Then what is the comment for? bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #159
it's anti-democratic to stifle debate, dissent, flow of info amborin Apr 2016 #220
Won't happen now. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #54
Bullshit! Nt Logical Apr 2016 #315
Call what? democrattotheend Apr 2016 #2
The primary, of course. enlightenment Apr 2016 #3
um SandersDem Apr 2016 #5
Yes it has. Autumn Apr 2016 #27
I don't know who thinks Hillary is going to win this election Aerows Apr 2016 #86
I can't see it. Autumn Apr 2016 #90
Epically so. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #135
Honestly? Aerows Apr 2016 #150
Just wanted to say goodbye, before, after the many urging Skinner to call the Primary for Clinton Dragonfli Apr 2016 #201
Check your PM's before you go :) Aerows Apr 2016 #204
You caught me just in time, I decided that since the site will no longer be welcome to me Dragonfli Apr 2016 #212
Holy darn, dragonfli, you've been here forever. I will miss you. I fear all Bernie supporters... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #275
+100 Packed with truth. senz Apr 2016 #244
If it's HRC, I think the GE is going to be extremely close. HRC represents the establishment, and RKP5637 Apr 2016 #168
I don't see her as a shoe-in, either. Aerows Apr 2016 #174
I agree, but there's a good chance that TPTB would want HRC over Trump. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #179
I agree so much, I just wonder how that will come about. Usually, it seems, change does not come RKP5637 Apr 2016 #203
Am positive TPTB want Hillary. Trump is a loose canon. senz Apr 2016 #250
Excellent Points! FIX THE ENTIRE ELECTION PROCESS! 2banon Apr 2016 #299
To a degree. enlightenment Apr 2016 #191
Not a purge. A call for civility. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #15
Meh. I don't have time to be nice to pro-war people. Maedhros Apr 2016 #106
Let's complete your list pdsimdars Apr 2016 #162
This message was self-deleted by its author Aerows Apr 2016 #177
I like that graphic northernsouthern Apr 2016 #206
Thank you. People need to know what they're voting for. senz Apr 2016 #224
We don't need to be nice, just ignore the noise and concentrate on electing a candidate Autumn Apr 2016 #199
Calls for civility are always the first defense of the status quo - TBF Apr 2016 #229
I think "real" Sanders supporters Andy823 Apr 2016 #197
I'm guessing there a lot of your right wing trolls in Hill's camp too. peace13 Apr 2016 #237
What happened last time around? G_j Apr 2016 #4
It ran until Clinton finally conceded. peace13 Apr 2016 #7
That makes sense. nt G_j Apr 2016 #11
Yes, there was a lot of it sharp_stick Apr 2016 #44
The primaries apcalc Apr 2016 #112
She did not concede until after the last possible primary was over--and she had met with Obama. merrily Apr 2016 #281
It took some time for her to come out. peace13 Apr 2016 #301
Autumn, do you moderate the Bernie Sanders Group? peace13 Apr 2016 #9
Because she's a Democrat. The Supreme Court is too important. ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #12
The makeup of the Supreme Court is extremely important. nt oasis Apr 2016 #52
Yes I do. The longer the arguments go on the more damage is done, the Autumn Apr 2016 #13
that's really disappointing grasswire Apr 2016 #23
No I don't plan on doing that. nt Autumn Apr 2016 #28
Honest question. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #64
so...your argument is that you want to come to a Dem site and act like a Republican? wow nt Sheepshank Apr 2016 #108
What we Bernie supporters say here about Hillary is mild compared to what republicans Autumn Apr 2016 #134
this is an unacceptable rationale for your call to Skinner. bbgrunt Apr 2016 #183
Then ignore it. I'm not the first to post this. Autumn Apr 2016 #188
It feels like a stab in the back--not easily ignored. bbgrunt Apr 2016 #211
Then maybe another Sanders group CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #117
Please consider the Populist Reform Group demwing Apr 2016 #303
Wow, Autumn has been one of the best supporter and fighter for Bernie on DU. ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #30
Great advice! peace13 Apr 2016 #31
Continue arguing here on DU. It has worked out so well. Autumn Apr 2016 #34
I have refrained from arguing for the most part. peace13 Apr 2016 #47
This does not need to be discussed in a protected group. Autumn Apr 2016 #50
Let me get this straight? peace13 Apr 2016 #61
You think that Bernie supporters are not already subject to hides and call outs? Autumn Apr 2016 #75
What exactly were you asking Skinner to do? I am confused. peace13 Apr 2016 #88
If anyone has issues with Autumn's OP, tell it in the PRG demwing Apr 2016 #304
Sorry, but who cares about hosting or doing secret groups anyway? If you don't have the guts to post highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #79
I have been here for over ten years. peace13 Apr 2016 #111
Blocked long ago by Hillary group for essentially nothing. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #115
And I was blocked from the Sanders group for the same. PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #141
Last week a guy was hidden because he said Howard Dean sold out . . that was all he said pdsimdars Apr 2016 #169
I think you're talking about bvf Apr 2016 #291
Yes, it was bmus. . They should have some way to protest this kind of nonsense. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #300
+1000 [n/t] stranger81 Apr 2016 #155
"Perhaps you should take a time out from hosting the Sanders group." TheDormouse Apr 2016 #323
There's plenty "discussion of the problems facing us" Wilms Apr 2016 #29
I don't plan on doing that. I'm still donating and supporting Bernie and will continue to do so. Autumn Apr 2016 #32
Then what is that you implore Skinner to "call"? Wilms Apr 2016 #36
No we are busy defending Bernie from nasty baseless attacks like Popegate and shit like that by Autumn Apr 2016 #62
Sorry that I'm having a hard time understanding. Wilms Apr 2016 #80
Good luck on defending Bernie. And thank you for all that you do. peace13 Apr 2016 #146
You're kidding yourself if you imagine that issues will be discussed winter is coming Apr 2016 #42
Exactly so! The targets will change Autumn Apr 2016 #43
"Calling it" won't help that, either. The most it will do is shift the time frame. n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #49
It doesn't matter if it's called now or later or 6 months ago. nt Autumn Apr 2016 #53
If it doesn't matter, then don't press for it. winter is coming Apr 2016 #68
This is an interesting tactic. Only 1 good reason for a BS supporter to do this. Carry on. n/t JimDandy Apr 2016 #104
Perhaps you should rethink this Autumn. redwitch Apr 2016 #58
It isn't for you to speak for the rest of the Bernie supporters. That's your opinion perhaps you bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #164
I speak for only myself, no one else. Autumn Apr 2016 #178
This message was self-deleted by its author TBF Apr 2016 #230
Wow, you cave easy, not sure you are paying attention. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #233
What damage? Calling her out? You really are missing the point! Nt Logical Apr 2016 #319
Why so many of these threads? cwydro Apr 2016 #10
Then check back in 5 minutes. Someone will post another one. closeupready Apr 2016 #16
LOL! woodsprite Apr 2016 #67
Use trash thread, a delightful little tool Skinner has provided. Autumn Apr 2016 #18
Nah, I don't use that or the ignore function. cwydro Apr 2016 #33
Nope, I want these posts exposed! Nt Logical Apr 2016 #320
Then don't read them. It's as simple as that. This is a discussion forum. ;) Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #73
Once upon a time... cwydro Apr 2016 #83
Unless they're by the same person or in the LBN forum, it's not considered a duplicate. Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #138
Autumn. You are overlooking the fact that HRC might be found to have violated law by the FBI leveymg Apr 2016 #14
The indictment fairy is a Republican myth they tell each other when they gather round the campfire Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #20
BTW: I also think an actual Indictment is unlikely. The more likely scenario is that Comey finds leveymg Apr 2016 #218
Yes we should continue to work to elect Bernie. No minds will be changed here on this board. Autumn Apr 2016 #22
Why not just take a break? peace13 Apr 2016 #35
It's one thing to sing Bernie's praises... Blanks Apr 2016 #70
You are so lost if you think for a second that any SBS supporter is obligated to protect Clinton JimDandy Apr 2016 #126
I defended both Clinton for over 14-15 years. I won't waste another second defending her. Autumn Apr 2016 #137
You lasted far longer with that than I Autumn. Soldier on... JimDandy Apr 2016 #142
Discussing issues isn't trashing Hillary. If she's going to play it dirty, folks are going to call onecaliberal Apr 2016 #182
Super Delegate flees Bernie and moves to Hillary Sheepshank Apr 2016 #17
I don't even need for us to coalesce around a candidate - but the vitriol Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #26
Yes, that could have stood a year ago! peace13 Apr 2016 #37
indeed I do not think it is one-sided Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #38
Does anybody recognize that the lead Hillary has is so much less than the lead The Donald has in the highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #85
"everybody" who? fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #114
The mass media, which gives them 24 hours news time versus our race which gets no coverage. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #116
Hmm, I try to avoid the masses. It all seems so stepfordish. fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #156
Where was the support for the post? One link didn't work, the other link was just a person on their Skwmom Apr 2016 #143
What's the most you ever lost on a coin toss? PDittie Apr 2016 #41
Moderator or not, how undemocratic to just type, 'call it'....she is one voice. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #45
This is a privately owned and operated message board ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #110
Thank you Autumn. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #46
Please No, not until we stop seeing one Bernie bashing thread after another. Not until we see a hand jillan Apr 2016 #51
call what? no one has dropped out. this is still an active primary. restorefreedom Apr 2016 #60
By all means we must continue to support and work to get Bernie elected. Autumn Apr 2016 #63
well, then, there is work to be done! :) nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #66
Yes there is. Bernie will stay in the race, he has said so. Bernie decides when it's over. Autumn Apr 2016 #87
i really want to see the convention :) nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #94
I can't wait. Autumn Apr 2016 #98
:) nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #99
It's promising to make Chicago '68 Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #305
But not here? When people are asking for Skinner to "call it" they mean no more pro-Bernie posts. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #71
Nothing in the TOS would limit pro Bernie posts. What would be limited msanthrope Apr 2016 #78
The sentence "I'm voting for Bernie Sanders in the GE as a write in" will get you banned aikoaiko Apr 2016 #91
Yes it will. Ask L0on about posting what others are doing elsewhere Autumn Apr 2016 #109
They were banned, apparently, for making the case that others should follow that path. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #121
No not at all. L0on posted an article from a legitimate site with no comment. Autumn Apr 2016 #128
I don't think you are remembering correctly. Check loonix's transparency page. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #132
Hmmm... JimDandy Apr 2016 #133
Wow, Autumn. Melissa G Apr 2016 #65
Agree completely MissDeeds Apr 2016 #255
Unrec. n/t demmiblue Apr 2016 #69
Glad you don't speak for me. Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #72
I think the arrogance and hubris of some here have poisoned the water like the fracking they so rhett o rick Apr 2016 #74
We Sanders supporters are simply a guest in this house. Autumn Apr 2016 #130
Not true. zappaman Apr 2016 #209
The you need to quit slacking and make sure Skinner throws the rest of us out zappa nt Autumn Apr 2016 #254
I couldn't care less if you stay or go. zappaman Apr 2016 #266
It's a skinner!! Dem2 Apr 2016 #81
Nothing but pro democratic party from me from now on... stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #82
You should be ashamed. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #84
Back up the truck Aerows Apr 2016 #89
Thanks. Autumn Apr 2016 #124
None necessary Aerows Apr 2016 #131
We Sanders supporters should understand we are a guest in this house and from what I see Autumn Apr 2016 #136
You are going to have to indulge me on this one. Aerows Apr 2016 #140
I will always indulge you my dear friend. Autumn Apr 2016 #144
This unwelcome guest Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #145
You *do* take great pictures. Aerows Apr 2016 #148
Thanks, Aerows. Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #154
I think I'm about politicked out, too Aerows Apr 2016 #171
Yes, they grow really humongous veggies in the Matanuska Valley Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #232
Holy cow! Aerows Apr 2016 #236
It ain't pretty, but it wins the prize Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #239
Dear heavens Aerows Apr 2016 #240
20 hours of daylight? Adsos Letter Apr 2016 #279
+1 Agschmid Apr 2016 #181
You are good people, Agshcmid Aerows Apr 2016 #193
I try. :) Agschmid Apr 2016 #194
"eating their own", seems to be your tack. It's in very poor taste n/t Sheepshank Apr 2016 #122
I agree with you Aerows Apr 2016 #127
Big UNREC 840high Apr 2016 #92
Yet workinclasszero Apr 2016 #95
Autumn can support Bernie and still post this OP obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #96
All of your recs are the usual suspects. Get some rest Autumn. This doesn't help anything. panader0 Apr 2016 #100
I'll proudly take the title of Aerows Apr 2016 #105
If i offended anyone outside of GDPeeee I apologize. stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #103
You didn't necessarily Aerows Apr 2016 #113
play until the final whistle. insightdeluxe Apr 2016 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author radical noodle Apr 2016 #118
LMAO Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #120
OMG. Autumn Apr 2016 #125
I think I "get it." The OP is not for the people, it's for "the children".... CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #139
. Autumn Apr 2016 #180
I have just called it for reading your posts Autumn BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #123
My sentiments exactly RandySF Apr 2016 #129
This is a great website, but it's also a great business. MelissaB Apr 2016 #149
I've loved you and your posts for years, but. You have lost me on this, Sanders has no media voice . Dragonfli Apr 2016 #151
I love you. DU is not the media, we are told constantly DU in no way represents the real world. Autumn Apr 2016 #161
I read posts here since 2001 beore I joined in 2004, there are READERS to consider, I beg and Dragonfli Apr 2016 #187
Beautiful post Dragonfli. Thank you! Keep writing and fighting for us! haikugal Apr 2016 #167
Once Skinner "calls it" I wil no longer be allowed to do so here, doing so at a Sanders only site Dragonfli Apr 2016 #196
No sense worrying about what might happen. Keep writing! We have to be flexible and smart.. haikugal Apr 2016 #242
thanks Dragonfli, I feel the same. bbgrunt Apr 2016 #202
Huge +1! Enthusiast Apr 2016 #298
Wow. Even with all the shit-stirring posts here, THIS post is hands-down the most disappointing. stranger81 Apr 2016 #152
Good grief. Cary Apr 2016 #153
I find it very amusing that you think ... dchill Apr 2016 #158
Is the lack of a comma significant? Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #160
Why is discussion so threatening on a discussion board? Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #163
We should continue to post and discuss the important issues you spoke about in your post. Autumn Apr 2016 #186
You are using the wrong metric, IMO dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #223
I don't care what those posts say, I "Trash Can" them. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #289
OK, it's Skinner tularetom Apr 2016 #165
Bernie supporters do not feel the same way as Clinton supporters. Autumn should not have bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #166
Autumn does not speak for me. 840high Apr 2016 #173
She only speaks for herself...I'm with Bernie and Bernie is with me! haikugal Apr 2016 #243
Agree, this was a huge mistake. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #185
I really don't get it. I didn't read all the posts here but you sound like you should get some long pdsimdars Apr 2016 #175
It ain't over till the ink is dry on the FBI report yourout Apr 2016 #184
Bernie decides when it's over and Bernie says he's staying. I upped my donation this morning. Autumn Apr 2016 #190
I'm sorry, Smokey, you were over the line. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #189
Bull shit. I was one toke over the line. Autumn Apr 2016 #195
This was a class move, this thread, by the way. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #198
Ain't no way in hell I'm packing it in. Bernie's saying and so am I. No reason in the Autumn Apr 2016 #205
I agree. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #208
I caucused for Bernie here in Colorado. I'm proud that the last caucus of my life was for him. Autumn Apr 2016 #228
Some interesting reactions for sure... Agschmid Apr 2016 #192
You're right, we have made it work. I'm not going anywhere, Autumn Apr 2016 #213
Well I don't use ignore, so I guess I'm stuck with you! Agschmid Apr 2016 #214
Thank you. Autumn Apr 2016 #217
Autumn, this sounds nihilistic. senz Apr 2016 #210
Lurkers miss a lot. they don't see the Bernie group Autumn Apr 2016 #215
this OP perplexes; after skimming some replies, it seems the goal is to stop criticism of HRC? If so amborin Apr 2016 #216
Not at all. The goal is to focus on Bernie and ignore the noise. Autumn Apr 2016 #221
so, you are saying we should start to criticize Bernie? Call me confused! amborin Apr 2016 #234
Oh, so the entire site would be a gigantic Hillary ad with Bernie hit jobs senz Apr 2016 #238
Excellent post Senz! Woot! haikugal Apr 2016 #251
TY, haikugal! senz Apr 2016 #261
. haikugal Apr 2016 #263
The math has not changed significantly from Super Tuesday. joshcryer Apr 2016 #219
No, please don't dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #225
Thanks workinclasszero Apr 2016 #227
This message was self-deleted by its author TBF Apr 2016 #231
LOL! Whoosh!!11! nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #272
Welcome to ignore. nt TBF Apr 2016 #293
I think something weird is going on. I just "ignored" her. Peregrine Took Apr 2016 #280
Thank you! MineralMan Apr 2016 #241
Please forgive me if I'm wrong, and I do not mean any offense, but amborin Apr 2016 #245
maybe her account has been hacked. ?? nt grasswire Apr 2016 #256
it's possible! amborin Apr 2016 #258
You might be totally wrong. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #271
This message was self-deleted by its author berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #246
Whoosh!!! (right over your head) nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #270
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2016 #283
Indeed. berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #284
This message was self-deleted by its author Rob H. Apr 2016 #247
I love tongue in cheek, hate when folks miss the nuanced undertones, take a thing to be 100% serious CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #248
She expands by thirty delegates, and you throw in the towel? C'mon Autumn. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #249
Hmmmm. I forget. What is the ratio of Bernie supporters here to Hillary supporters? Autumn Apr 2016 #253
Depends! Scootaloo Apr 2016 #260
Didn't Skinner say it was like 80%? Autumn Apr 2016 #262
This message was self-deleted by its author TBF Apr 2016 #264
After reading through... I get where you're coming from. MerryBlooms Apr 2016 #257
I have no intention of resigning as Group Host. They would have to haul my dead ass out of there Autumn Apr 2016 #259
Hey Autumn! lasttrip Apr 2016 #267
That was such an innocent time wasn't it? Autumn Apr 2016 #277
Thanks for all you do. lasttrip Apr 2016 #278
THE Primary isn't over yet! Cobalt Violet Apr 2016 #282
Do we the tell the truth or do we live a lie? Hiraeth Apr 2016 #285
I agree with the sentiment The Second Stone Apr 2016 #286
Don't call it Skinner! Clinton would need 67.9% of all remaining delegates to win outright. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #287
Considering that somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% of this site supports Bernie I can't see Autumn Apr 2016 #295
From Skinner: "....primary campaign is still going on. ..." pat_k Apr 2016 #288
Wow, thank you pat_k, for posting this! ^^^ Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #290
Well, God has spoken. Breathe easy, folk. delrem Apr 2016 #292
Trashing Thread B Calm Apr 2016 #294
Rumors of Bernie's demise are wildly exaggerated. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #296
They certainly are Autumn Apr 2016 #297
You're the founding host of the Sanders group? I challenge you to impose this on your group /nt demwing Apr 2016 #302
kick because it's time to revisit this Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #306
Sadly, I have to agree democrattotheend Apr 2016 #307
CALL IT SKINNER! workinclasszero Apr 2016 #308
Skinner has responded to this in the ask the admin forum Kittycat Apr 2016 #312
For God's sake ... yes! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #309
Yeah, call it Skinner. grntuscarora Apr 2016 #311
Yes, it is time. beaglelover Apr 2016 #313
I wondered if some Whiney hill fan would post this. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #314
Wow, resign your role and at least fucking justify this idiotic post.m Logical Apr 2016 #316
Bookem Dano! Rex Apr 2016 #321
I'm glad in America every citizen gets a vote TheDormouse Apr 2016 #322
Yes, as a Californian I would like a chance to vote before others decide it's all wrapped up! nt Raine Apr 2016 #325
The OP is not saying give up on the election. The OP is saying don't waste time arguing still_one Apr 2016 #326
Really? So then what's that have to do with Skinner calling it? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #328
That is a play on another thread where a Hillary supporter asked Skinner to call it still_one Apr 2016 #330
I'm in California and we have NOT gotten to vote yet! nt Raine Apr 2016 #324
Wait 'til autumn! Carolina Apr 2016 #329
A heartfelt note to you Autumn. Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #331

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
1. Thank you Autumn. You are a good person. It was a well fought campaign.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:45 PM
Apr 2016

Now, let's go beat those Republicans.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
8. Autumn is the host leader of the Bernie Sander's group on DU.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:01 PM
Apr 2016

She recognizes that we need to turn our attention against the Republicans.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
19. Wow.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:11 PM
Apr 2016

Just wow! Talk about divisive. I guess we have disbanded already. How does this post make people who are still in the trenches, still donating, still supporting Sanders feeling?

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
56. Really, none of it makes any sense.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:32 PM
Apr 2016

You may have a point and I may agree or disagree with it but really, you took a wrong turn doing this in GDP. It is just flat out wrong!

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
76. Ending the vitriol isn't wrong. It's a good idea.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:46 PM
Apr 2016

And yes, that includes BOTH sides. We don't all have to learn to sing the same tune this afternoon or anything - but ending the hateful garbage dump this forum has become would be a good thing.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
265. ^^^This!!!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:59 PM
Apr 2016

Thank you Autumn

As you pointed out to someone else, no one is saying to stop supporting your candidate of choice, you're simply asking for civility.

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
274. Listen, we all have those. It's what you choose to do with it.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:27 PM
Apr 2016

These posts greeted me in response to my post downthread which said:

Not a purge. A call for civility.
An end to the vitriolic smears against Democrats on a site for Democrats. And before you ask YES I think that vitriol against Bernie should stop as well.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1794354

and

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1795625

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
77. No more arguing (here) from me.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:47 PM
Apr 2016

No point in it. There are no undecideds here (and I have a huge number of Hillary acolytes on Ignore, anyway). I'm never voting for Hillary, regardless. So what would be the point?

Time to re-Trash GD: P.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
327. California hasn't even voted yet
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:00 AM
Apr 2016

If you close this forum now, I suspect that the Bernie Group members, who compose most of DU, will be slowly (or rapidly) drumed off Du or will leave for Jackpineradicals.org on their own.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
170. I didn't speak for you. I said Skinner should call it, officialy. We know where he stands.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:48 PM
Apr 2016

We should quit trying to change Hillary supporters minds and concentrate on getting Bernie elected. Have any of us changed one single Hillary supporters mind here on DU?

brer cat

(24,559 posts)
222. I think the vitriol has hardened feelings
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:59 PM
Apr 2016

in both camps. The undecided voters that made up their minds here were probably pushed rather than pulled.

I appreciate your effort to make the remainder of the primary season more civil. Perhaps eliminating GDP will stop some of the more confrontational threads.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
93. Are you referring to Proudtobeliberal's post or the OP ...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:54 PM
Apr 2016

If it's the former, I see absolutely nothing "divisive" about it (perhaps you can explain what I so clearly missed).

If your referencing the OP, I think the word you were looking for is "Disheartening" or "Disappointing"

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
59. You want to stop arguing which candidate is better and start focusing on the issues.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:36 PM
Apr 2016

It feels like a transition to me.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
226. I understand that desire. Respectfully, I think you're going about it the wrong way.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:04 PM
Apr 2016

DU is far from being on the front lines of democracy, like it used to be, back in early 2000... but it does work great as a place to refine and define concepts and ideas. I agree that the rancor needs to be diminished (it'll never end... nature of politics), but what your pushing is going to silence all legitimate discussion about Bernie outside of the Bernie group.

It's using a guided missile to take out a fly.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
252. Where is the Freudian slip in what I posted?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:04 PM
Apr 2016
No, I want Sanders supporters to discuss the issues we face and work on getting Bernie elected .

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
3. The primary, of course.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:51 PM
Apr 2016

Some are so eager for the purge of Sanders supporters to begin in earnest that they're drooling a bit.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
135. Epically so.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:20 PM
Apr 2016

Pushing 60 and can't think of a more damaged or damaging candidate in memory, Democrat or Republican.

Favors outsourcing and globalism, favors wars and sending immigrant children home into the arms of death, responsible for Obama's biggest international misstep and, to some degree, the formation of ISIS.

Disreputable, untrustworthy, and facing possible charges.

Good grief, what the hell is wrong with us?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
150. Honestly?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:34 PM
Apr 2016

I don't know what the hell is wrong with us.

Damaged and damaging are the two words associated with this mess.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
201. Just wanted to say goodbye, before, after the many urging Skinner to call the Primary for Clinton
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:27 PM
Apr 2016

He will and so many of us, certainly myself, will lose posting privileges, I had grown most fond of you.

Goodbye!

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
212. You caught me just in time, I decided that since the site will no longer be welcome to me
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:43 PM
Apr 2016

I was just about to log off and use the remaining minutes I have on my Obama-phone to use for phone banking PA. (poorly named by the media given that he didn't even initiate the program, nonetheless, it is all I have and am glad to have it)

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
275. Holy darn, dragonfli, you've been here forever. I will miss you. I fear all Bernie supporters...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:38 PM
Apr 2016

...will be purged. I will probably lose my posting priveleges eventually, too.

There are other places online where Bernie supporters are congregating. Hope we see you elsewhere once we're killed off.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
168. If it's HRC, I think the GE is going to be extremely close. HRC represents the establishment, and
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:47 PM
Apr 2016

a continuation of the establishment. Millions and millions hate the R and D establishments. Trump is counter-establishment, so he says. It's going to be really close, HRC is not a landslide shoe-in IMO.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
174. I don't see her as a shoe-in, either.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:51 PM
Apr 2016

It's going to be close, and we will get who we deserve.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
179. I agree, but there's a good chance that TPTB would want HRC over Trump.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:00 PM
Apr 2016

And, we vote on hackable computers in many, many places...

It's a tragedy all around if we can't get Bernie in to the White House, and if we don't we better fight to radically reform how we vote.

Hell, even if we somehow DO get Bernie in to the White House we better fight to radically reform how we vote.

LOTS of changes and improvements need to be made to make our country a more transparent, open, and fair democracy. Lots.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
203. I agree so much, I just wonder how that will come about. Usually, it seems, change does not come
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016

easily in America because of all of the entrenched politicans and those feeding at the public money trough, something they will not give up, and then all of the really big money invested interests, and then the MIC who wants continuous wars for $$$$$'s, and the rest of the herd.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
299. Excellent Points! FIX THE ENTIRE ELECTION PROCESS!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:34 PM
Apr 2016

Apart from the obvious repeal of Citizens United...

we need to :

Abolish Electoral College asap.

Abolish Computerized voting machines and go back to PAPER ballots only, to be hand counted and verified.

Same day, Open Primaries by ballot, no caucuses.

Abolish "delegates" of any stripe.

Nominations are determined solely by voters.

Just for starters...

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
191. To a degree.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:12 PM
Apr 2016

But the real purge starts when the owners of the site declare that the primary is over (whether its over or not). At that point, the 'losers' are invited to:

1. Leave
2. Toe the line (by staying silent, usually - though there will be more calls for loyalty oaths)

Failing to adequately do 2. results in 1. - usually with a boot up the ass and a gleeful grave dance by the 'winners'.

I've been around DU for a long time. It's nasty.

I have read through this thread and still don't understand why Autumn is requesting that Skinner call it. Civility isn't going to magically happen afterward; indeed, all that will happen is a digital bloodbath. Those that are left will either be on-board with the candidate or they will be silent - but silence isn't necessarily civil in the minds of those who know they cannot speak without repercussions.

It's not something to look forward to, certainly.

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
15. Not a purge. A call for civility.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:08 PM
Apr 2016

An end to the vitriolic smears against Democrats on a site for Democrats. And before you ask YES I think that vitriol against Bernie should stop as well.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
106. Meh. I don't have time to be nice to pro-war people.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:01 PM
Apr 2016

Or pro-fracking. Or pro-private-prisons. Or pro-Wall Street.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
162. Let's complete your list
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:43 PM
Apr 2016



And, BTW, why is a Bernie supporter calling to be purged? What did I miss?

Response to pdsimdars (Reply #162)

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
199. We don't need to be nice, just ignore the noise and concentrate on electing a candidate
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:22 PM
Apr 2016

that is willing protect and expand SS and avoid people who are ready to do studies or whatever the hell to "slow down" the effects of fossil fuels on our fragile environment.

TBF

(32,047 posts)
229. Calls for civility are always the first defense of the status quo -
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:06 PM
Apr 2016

just what I would expect from the campaign of She Who Must Be Obeyed.

Is the nomination period over? Do we have a candidate? Or are the rules being rewritten now? If so, let's have a big post from the admins telling us so and we can all make our choices as to whether we need to be here.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
197. I think "real" Sanders supporters
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:19 PM
Apr 2016

Are good people, it's the right wing trolls that have taken over this board that need to be purged. Anyone who is not one of the trolls has nothing to worry about.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
237. I'm guessing there a lot of your right wing trolls in Hill's camp too.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:25 PM
Apr 2016

If not she has some scary supporters!

G_j

(40,366 posts)
4. What happened last time around?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:54 PM
Apr 2016

with Obama and Clinton.. Anyone remember? I don't, but I'm curious.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
7. It ran until Clinton finally conceded.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:01 PM
Apr 2016

I don't even remember people questioning that it should be called.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
44. Yes, there was a lot of it
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:26 PM
Apr 2016

the PUMAs were in full voice and there were a lot of calls to end the the primaries forum early. I can't remember when the admins finally did it but I think it was before she conceded in June.

apcalc

(4,463 posts)
112. The primaries
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:04 PM
Apr 2016

Continued until they were all concluded.

Hillary had the popular votes, he had the pledged delegates. When she realized the supers were going for him , she conceded. She then asked her supporters to support him, nominated him at the convention. She was very gracious.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
281. She did not concede until after the last possible primary was over--and she had met with Obama.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:02 PM
Apr 2016
 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
301. It took some time for her to come out.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:47 PM
Apr 2016

I remember that she set up a press conference to concede and failed to show. I don't know how many days it was before she met with Obama and then did in fact speak to the people.

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
12. Because she's a Democrat. The Supreme Court is too important.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:06 PM
Apr 2016

We need to be united in order to defeat the likes of Donald Trump and the Republican party.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
13. Yes I do. The longer the arguments go on the more damage is done, the
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:08 PM
Apr 2016

issues languish by the wayside and there is no discussion of the problems facing us.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
23. that's really disappointing
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016

Perhaps you should take a time out from hosting the Sanders group. I say that respectfully.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
134. What we Bernie supporters say here about Hillary is mild compared to what republicans
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:20 PM
Apr 2016

will say. And what we criticize her on is her own actions and words. Sometimes the truth is uncomfortable for some. Here's an honest question for you. Do you think arguing with Hillary supporters here on this forum will change any minds at all?

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
117. Then maybe another Sanders group
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:08 PM
Apr 2016

could be started.

The Bernie Sanders campaign is about fighting the establishment. Speaking out is foundational and the first step in fighting against the big machine establishment.

You're talking about quelling opinion and dissent, which makes absolutely no sense.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
303. Please consider the Populist Reform Group
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:57 PM
Apr 2016

I let it rest in deference to the Bernie Group, now seems like a good time to start posting again...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1277

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
30. Wow, Autumn has been one of the best supporter and fighter for Bernie on DU.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:15 PM
Apr 2016

She has done a lot of stuff behind the scenes that no one knows about. She has poured her heart and soul for Bernie.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
31. Great advice!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:16 PM
Apr 2016

Or possibly head on over to the Hill Camp because I don't think it's working for her over here! Please don't taze me bro, but with friends like this........

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
47. I have refrained from arguing for the most part.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:27 PM
Apr 2016

There is no arguing with many and no point to it. But you posting this while hosting the Bernie group is out of line. The least you could have done was bring it up for discussion in the group. That is just wrong.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
50. This does not need to be discussed in a protected group.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:30 PM
Apr 2016

You may have refrained from arguing for the most part, others have not.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
61. Let me get this straight?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:37 PM
Apr 2016

You put this out here so that people who disagree and speak out will be subject to hides and call outs from the Hill camp? In my mind this is a disbanding of the group. You are suggesting what? That there will be no more discussion about Sanders in GDP or in the Bernie group. Please clarify!

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
75. You think that Bernie supporters are not already subject to hides and call outs?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:44 PM
Apr 2016

No this is in no way a disbanding of the group. of course there will be discussion about Sanders in GDP and in the Bernie group. This is not over by a long shot. Bernie is staying in this race and it is up to us to work and support him and get him elected. I upped my donation this morning.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
304. If anyone has issues with Autumn's OP, tell it in the PRG
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

The Populist Reform Group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1277

The group all but died when Bernie announced, but that was fine, Bernie deserves the focus. Time to kick it back in gear...

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
79. Sorry, but who cares about hosting or doing secret groups anyway? If you don't have the guts to post
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:47 PM
Apr 2016

something in a public forum, perhaps that thing should not be posted at all anyway.

Posting something that is seen by all but can be commented on by only some is divisive and creepy.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
111. I have been here for over ten years.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:04 PM
Apr 2016

Never had a hide or block. Three weeks ago I had two hides in a matter of hours. On one I was vindicated down thread but of course could not comment or have it removed. The other was something that was nothing. Boom. Lucky for you if it never happened to you. As far as the Clinton group goes, I believe that it holds the record for the most blocked people. I believe a precedent was set and now we are being asked to calm down and join in the fun. As far as a private group goes, they are all open unless a person becomes 'disruptive' in accordance with the host.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
291. I think you're talking about
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:34 AM
Apr 2016

beam me up scottie (BMUS).

She's a favorite target of alert stalkers, but we're lucky to have her back. If you think things are bad now, wait until Skinner caves to the whiners (e.g., http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910112) and then you'll really see some grade-school behavior around here.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
300. Yes, it was bmus. . They should have some way to protest this kind of nonsense.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:43 PM
Apr 2016

Totally UNDemocratic.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
29. There's plenty "discussion of the problems facing us"
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:15 PM
Apr 2016

We've been discussing the Clintons.

Are you done with Sanders? Then consider dropping out as a host.

And of course, thanks for your past support.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
32. I don't plan on doing that. I'm still donating and supporting Bernie and will continue to do so.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:17 PM
Apr 2016

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
62. No we are busy defending Bernie from nasty baseless attacks like Popegate and shit like that by
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:38 PM
Apr 2016

some democrats and no I have no plans to step down.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
80. Sorry that I'm having a hard time understanding.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:47 PM
Apr 2016

What is it that you are referring to when you ask Skinner to "call it"?

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
146. Good luck on defending Bernie. And thank you for all that you do.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:30 PM
Apr 2016

It's a ruthless bunch and a problem. If you could see the folks you were arguing with you wouldn't waste your breath. Pope gate, stripper dollars, he looked cross eyed at her during the debate, those are accusations made by reasonless people. It is genius because it is defenseless, especially if you have to be concerned about hides and such. There is no de powering it or stopping it. If Skinner is OK with this kind of activity then there is only so much we can do. IMO it would be better to have a standard response when the beast starts slinging feces. In the old days we used to just let it drop. When an OP is built for reaction just let it drop. I don't know that that is the answer here but something like that could work. I can't imagine trying to defend Bernie at every turn here. You must be exhausted.

After my hides and block I realized that you can't fight a fight that isn't built on reason. Take care!

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
42. You're kidding yourself if you imagine that issues will be discussed
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:24 PM
Apr 2016

once Bernie drops out of the race. The target will shift, but the tactics won't.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
68. If it doesn't matter, then don't press for it.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:40 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie will have more clout to have his (and our) issues talked about if he takes it to the convention. And despite sneering references being made about the Indictment Fairy, Hillary is in peril. Even if the DOJ doesn't have the guts to prosecute, an FBI recommendation to pursue charges will be deadly, for her and for us, in November. I'd rather meet that threat with a strong back-up plan.

redwitch

(14,944 posts)
58. Perhaps you should rethink this Autumn.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:35 PM
Apr 2016

Very disappointed with yesterday's result but it ain't over til it's over.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
164. It isn't for you to speak for the rest of the Bernie supporters. That's your opinion perhaps you
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:44 PM
Apr 2016

should have worded it personally for you.

Response to Autumn (Reply #13)

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
16. Then check back in 5 minutes. Someone will post another one.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:09 PM
Apr 2016

And on it will go, on Dramaqueen Underground.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
33. Nah, I don't use that or the ignore function.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:17 PM
Apr 2016

More fun to watch and see who wants to stir up trouble.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
83. Once upon a time...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:48 PM
Apr 2016

It was considered bad form to post duplicates again and again.

There are at least three of them that I've seen today,

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
138. Unless they're by the same person or in the LBN forum, it's not considered a duplicate.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:24 PM
Apr 2016

Once upon a time or ever.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
14. Autumn. You are overlooking the fact that HRC might be found to have violated law by the FBI
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:08 PM
Apr 2016

If Bernie throws in the towel, and that happens before the Convention, we will all officially be up a creek. I think we should be talking about alternatives to Hillary, not forming a wagon around her. Hillary already has a dozen arrows in her, and let's continue to work to make sure she isn't by some perverse fluke coronated as the party's candidate.

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
20. The indictment fairy is a Republican myth they tell each other when they gather round the campfire
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:12 PM
Apr 2016

and talk about FEMA camps and death panels.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
218. BTW: I also think an actual Indictment is unlikely. The more likely scenario is that Comey finds
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:47 PM
Apr 2016

that Hillary violated the terms of her signed classified information agreement. That should be it - she'll release her delegates and the party poohbahs determine at the Convention who to appoint them to. The AG will run out the clock, and Obama will pardon her just as Bill pardoned his disgraced CIA Director John Deutch. Everyone from the President down should be really pissed at her for putting us through this.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
35. Why not just take a break?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:19 PM
Apr 2016

Voting to disband this seems like more than a one person call. How about an OP asking people's opinions? Oh.....let Skinner do it even though he already has stated the rules. Speechless!

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
70. It's one thing to sing Bernie's praises...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:41 PM
Apr 2016

And a whole 'nother thing to use Bernie's campaign as an excuse to trash Hillary.

Folks should continue to talk him up, but it's hurting the future of the Democratic Party to trash what is likely to be the future leader of the party.

Of course that goes both ways. Even if Clinton wins the nomination (which is extremely likely at this point) we all still want Sanders as a voice on the national scene for Democratic Party issues.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
126. You are so lost if you think for a second that any SBS supporter is obligated to protect Clinton
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:13 PM
Apr 2016

in ANY way!

Do your own job for your dear leader. We ARE trying to protect the Dem Party.

onecaliberal

(32,826 posts)
182. Discussing issues isn't trashing Hillary. If she's going to play it dirty, folks are going to call
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:06 PM
Apr 2016

her on it. You have to admit there are many republican plays in her book.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
17. Super Delegate flees Bernie and moves to Hillary
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:10 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511793391

the vitriol here needs to stop....and it won't happen while there isn't a call made for who we should coalesce around.
 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
85. Does anybody recognize that the lead Hillary has is so much less than the lead The Donald has in the
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:49 PM
Apr 2016

the Republican contest which everybody says is such a horse race?

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
143. Where was the support for the post? One link didn't work, the other link was just a person on their
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:29 PM
Apr 2016

twitter account posting one attack after another against Bernie.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
110. This is a privately owned and operated message board ...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:04 PM
Apr 2016

not subject to democratic rule.

I do wish, however, it had more Democratic rule.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
46. Thank you Autumn.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:27 PM
Apr 2016

I hope that both sides here at DU can turn to the national campaign. Trump will be more difficult to defeat than most realize. We need to begin focusing on the task now.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
51. Please No, not until we stop seeing one Bernie bashing thread after another. Not until we see a hand
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:30 PM
Apr 2016

reached out to the Bernie supporters from Hillary AND her supporters.

There is too much vitriol right now to wrap this up.
Including this:



Seems like there is still too much fight left on both sides to call it.

And I guarantee the replies to this very post will be further proof of that.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
60. call what? no one has dropped out. this is still an active primary.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:37 PM
Apr 2016

are we not supposed to advocate for our candidate, who is still running? and how do we advocate without calling attention to the differences between them?

its hillary's fault she is such a weak candidate, not ours. i will not abandon bernie as long as he is fighting for us.

and if anyone risks dividing the party and causing irreparable harm, it is her and her corrupt machine.

sorry, autumn. i like and respect you, but i will not kiss the queens ring. not now, not ever


aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
71. But not here? When people are asking for Skinner to "call it" they mean no more pro-Bernie posts.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:41 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:20 PM - Edit history (1)

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
91. The sentence "I'm voting for Bernie Sanders in the GE as a write in" will get you banned
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:52 PM
Apr 2016

if HRC is the presumed nominee.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
109. Yes it will. Ask L0on about posting what others are doing elsewhere
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:03 PM
Apr 2016

and ask Manny what happened when he said he wouldn't vote for Hillary. That was well before the primary voting started.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
121. They were banned, apparently, for making the case that others should follow that path.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:10 PM
Apr 2016

Which I don't think is entirely true, but I think that was the rationale -- not merely describing their own vote.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
132. I don't think you are remembering correctly. Check loonix's transparency page.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:17 PM
Apr 2016

Posting Privileges Revoked

Revoked on Nov 4, 2015
Reason Posted a thread urging DU members to sign a pledge stating that they will not vote for the Democratic nominee for president if the nominee is someone other than their chosen primary candidate.


You're right that he didn't comment on the article and that's why his banning was a partisan ban, but that's not the way the admins see it.

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
65. Wow, Autumn.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:40 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie is at 50 % nationally. Hillary is challenged on so many fronts and underwater in her numbers. I am amazed and a bit disappointed that you posted this.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
74. I think the arrogance and hubris of some here have poisoned the water like the fracking they so
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:42 PM
Apr 2016

love. I don't think calling it now will help. I suspect that a number of people here will leave when then they are required to "sit down and shut up." I personally can't stand quietly by and watch our hopes for a return to democracy and a fair economy fly away. There is still a lot of fighting to do and I plan on continuing long after the nomination. But I will be fighting for Democratic principles that are disparage by some here.

I feel if Skinner calls it, it will be the ultimate slap in the face for the progressives here.

PS: Autumn, you have my greatest respect.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
130. We Sanders supporters are simply a guest in this house.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:15 PM
Apr 2016

From what I an reading, unwelcome guests. Know what I mean?

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
209. Not true.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:37 PM
Apr 2016

If you were guests, you would have been thrown out some time ago for shitting on the carpet.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
84. You should be ashamed.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:48 PM
Apr 2016

Although your tag is Autumn, you really are a Summer soldier and a Sunshine Patriot.

Thomas Paine: "These are the times that try men's souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman."

Thanks for nothing!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
89. Back up the truck
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:52 PM
Apr 2016

I don't know who you think you are, but you are not in any way, shape or form insulting Autumn like that.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
136. We Sanders supporters should understand we are a guest in this house and from what I see
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:21 PM
Apr 2016

we are unwelcome guests at that.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
140. You are going to have to indulge me on this one.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:25 PM
Apr 2016

When I see bullshit, I'm not going to call it caviar. It isn't in my nature.

I don't care who owns the house.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
144. I will always indulge you my dear friend.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:30 PM
Apr 2016
I don't want to lose any of our Bernie supporters. We need each other.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
154. Thanks, Aerows.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:35 PM
Apr 2016

I might join you there in Cooking and Baking. I like to do that, too. . And, of course, there's the gardening forum which is also something I enjoy.

I'm really about politicked out, at least on the national level. How we vote in Alaska in presidential elections is so inconsequential as to be meaningless, so I'm not sure why I even bother to get involved. State elections are another matter, and that's probably where I'll be turning my attention.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
171. I think I'm about politicked out, too
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:50 PM
Apr 2016

Speaking of gardening, I saw some CRAZY huge vegetables and fruit grown up your way.

I've never seen anything like it! Mind you, I live down south and couldn't get cucumbers and squash to quit growing, but dang, I saw enormous tomatoes and other fruit grown up there!

Is it the soil, or maybe just the climate being cold? I know you probably won't have citrus (we give it away, here), but vegetables seem to love it where you are!

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
232. Yes, they grow really humongous veggies in the Matanuska Valley
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:17 PM
Apr 2016

just north of here - four-pound carrots, 90-pound cabbages, kohlrabis as big as your head. I think it's the combination of really fertile soil, glacial minerals and 20 hours of daylight in the summer. You can almost literally watch stuff grow here. The veggie weigh-ins at the state fair are always a big deal.



My garden is pretty normal, though, although I do grow remarkable rhubarb. It's right next to the compost bin.


 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
236. Holy cow!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:21 PM
Apr 2016

A 4lbs. carrot!?

And excuse me, but DAMN that's a humongous cabbage. I LOVE cabbage. That thing nearly weighs as much as I do!

I would do my darndest though - fry up some bacon to get some delicious potlikker going, fry that bad boy up and YUM, tear into that. I chop it into wedges, that way it doesn't wilt and preserves a wonderful texture.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
240. Dear heavens
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:30 PM
Apr 2016

Get the industrial sized grater!

Y'all make some seriously sized vegetables up there.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
193. You are good people, Agshcmid
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:15 PM
Apr 2016

We disagree on certain things, but overall, your heart is in the right place.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
95. Yet
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:56 PM
Apr 2016

No one knows why he abandoned ship suddenly and rushed back to Vermont.

Shouldn't he be campaigning??

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
96. Autumn can support Bernie and still post this OP
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:56 PM
Apr 2016

For those giving Autumn a hard time in this thread.

In 2008, at this point in the primaries, I knew Hillary was probably not going to get the nom -- it was almost sure, even though she was closer to Obama then than Bernie is to her now.

But, I still supported her, I still donated to her.

Why?

Because it was important to me. Her campaign was important to me. I also was looking forward: to a possible cabinet post with Obama's Administration (which happened), to a possible Presidential run in 2016 (which is happening).

I also knew, as bitter as I sometimes was, that Hillary would support Obama after the dust settled, and so would I, as sad as I was that the first viable woman running for President didn't get the nom.

So, props to you, Autumn, for looking forward to November, but also being loyal to your candidate. Well done, you.


 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
105. I'll proudly take the title of
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:00 PM
Apr 2016

the "usual suspects" even though I didn't rec the thread.

Some of the people here being rude are what wrecks this thread and it does no one any good.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
113. You didn't necessarily
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:06 PM
Apr 2016

but there are some people throwing horseshit around here like it is going out of style and it needs to f***-ing stop.

There is no need to cast aspersions at each other, we will need each other going forward.

 

insightdeluxe

(32 posts)
107. play until the final whistle.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:01 PM
Apr 2016

most rational lefties know hillary is a flawed candidate. theres no point in dems trying to overlook or obsficate that in the primary process. hillary has to answer to all on the political left 1st.

but the dnc faithful better hope hills ge campaign wont solely be im not trump.

Response to Autumn (Original post)

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
149. This is a great website, but it's also a great business.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:32 PM
Apr 2016

I've never seen DU like this, but I have seen other websites go down for less.

Fewer posters, fewer dollars...

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
151. I've loved you and your posts for years, but. You have lost me on this, Sanders has no media voice .
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:34 PM
Apr 2016
Why would you call for yet more silencing of Sanders and his issues? Should we shutter JPR as well? Close the Sanders portion of discussion on Reddit?

The only reason I have chosen to post here rather than in a purely Sanders echo chamber, is not for the love of being derided and insulted on a constant basis by people of vile sentiment that lack empathy for those not comfortably fed and housed. I do so for those that will be horribly affected by neo-liberal policies, my people, my poor and working poor class people, that are struggling for their lives. I refuse to give the Corporate voice yet one more Blue Nation Review type source willingly, let alone call for such! My people need as many voices in the wilderness as possible!

It may be easy to wish, to ask, or even beg for this call to disarm, to condemn yet more voices to the silence unheard, (as is already the case in the media proper) for one in a more financially comfortable demographic that will not be affected nearly as much by neo-liberal austerity, job outsourcing, or even more cruelty by war that will turn people's children into cripples or leave them with permanent mental and emotional problems, if not death itself. Not to mention the millions of brown people, the bulk of which will be innocent civilians that will die via cluster bomb laden carpet bombing.

I write here because I write on behalf of my people, those that do not enjoy comfortable lives and whose lives WILL be drastically and negatively affected. Those whose poor children will comprise the bulk of the wounded and dying soldiers sent to do the neocons bidding.

For some, this is not a "sport", not a game to walk away from because one grows bored when the "team" loses some points in the "game". For some this is an important fight, not for purity, idealism or a chance to post pretty words that later prove hollow, for some this is a life altering, life threatening fight for a chance to survive and thrive, even as the suburban "activists" shrug and say, "well, at least I gave it a bit of a shot for a time, oh well, my favorite show is on TV and/or the lawn needs mowing later."

There are many people that read this site that never post, I do NOT expect a small group of personality cultists to be swayed HERE by anything I write, but I do expect some that just read MAY, just as some may see the black hearts of the loud (hopefully not the majority of) Clinton vitriolic hatred to be exposed as they deride and insult me.

I write here for a reason, an important one to me, and yet you want me and mine to go quietly into that dark night. Long shot or not, the primary is not over that should be all that matters, so no, it is not time to "call the race for Clinton" nor call for all for the mass PPR's you are advocating for, wittingly or unwittingly.

to some of us in this country, the long shot is far more important than you apparently realize. I will spell out who I write for, those below the class of most of the posters here. The demographic that birthed me, and which will envelope me in death.


From my perspective, the party I joined thirty nine years ago was a party I believed in and so gave my loyalty, It was the party of The New Deal, The Great Society and at the time I joined also the party of civil liberty, equal rights and a war against poverty. I see a party in 2016 that is not that party. The question of my loyalty now becomes murky. I think my loyalty now only belongs to my class and because Bernie Sanders shares this loyalty to my class, I must support him every way possible.

So many in the party leadership and the party overall are comfortable and this place of comfort has made them cold to the reality that is daily life for a great many people.

They make many assumptions from ivory towers of middle class or wealth with little awareness it would seem of those that are lower middle class (quickly falling into poverty even tho they work harder with multiple McJobs than they did before lower middle class meant poverty).

As to the poor - they seem completely oblivious to them and convince themselves that welfare reform didn't harm anybody, I know Hill and Bill believe this, but it did and does to this day I assure you, it was not a pragmatic solution to a "welfare queen" problem handled well because a Democrat helped to all but destroy it. It will not be a brave pragmatic solution to "earned benefit queens" they will likely label SS beneficiaries, as they collude yet again with republicans to begin to shred these last vestiges of the new deal and great society.

They cause the poor to become poorer still while so many in the party applaud the politicians responsible. Their applause and support are what make them just as responsible as their political idols.

They think this is a game, or a sport with my team and their team, not realizing or caring that the ball that is tossed around in this sport is a child that only gets to eat at school and will soon lose that food, or the ball is an elderly widow or widower that can only afford to take their medicine every other day or maybe will freeze to death in a small flat during a winter they could not pay their gas bill (this happens ALREADY where I live).

There are many other balls tossed around for their sport and amusement, too many to list them all here, some are dead or dying, some are living under a tarp in a vacant lot hoping the cops don't roust them or the suburban teenagers don't decide to slum it and amuse themselves by assaulting them while laughing and taunting the "bum" for cell phone footage. Some of these comfortable people give advice to "the poor that in fact do OK" as a famous DLC Democrat once said. One of the Conservative DU posters once even suggested dumpster diving as a viable and reasonable option.

Too many of them applaud policies and politicians that make all these problems worse, they need to get it through their heads, many are dying and more will die of poverty, this is no game and the poor aren't doing OK, they are doing worse all the time with less help available all the time.


Autumn

(45,056 posts)
161. I love you. DU is not the media, we are told constantly DU in no way represents the real world.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:43 PM
Apr 2016

Arguing with DUers changes not one single mind here. We should post about Bernie and where he stands on the issues all we can. Here on DU at our beloved Jackpine and in other places as well. The time spent defending him from nasty baseless attacks from Hillary supporters here is a waste of time ,we change no minds here.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
187. I read posts here since 2001 beore I joined in 2004, there are READERS to consider, I beg and
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:09 PM
Apr 2016

implore you, retract your call for changing this very real online media source to effectively become yet another Brock propaganda network site like the Blue Nation Review. As well as the following actions after such a change that will result in massive purges of those not towing the Clinton line (an unintended consequence in your mind when thinking of doing this, I am sure, but a very real next step occurrence, be that known to you or not)

Sale Of Blue Nation Review Gives Hillary Clinton Camp Its Very Own Media Outlet

WASHINGTON — Hillary Clinton ally David Brock is acquiring a media outlet, sources involved in the negotiation and sale of the site tell The Huffington Post.

True Blue Media, a newly formed company incorporated by Brock, has acquired progressive news website Blue Nation Review. BNR’s previous owner, MOKO Social Media Limited, will retain a 20 percent stake in the new entity while Brock will hold the remaining 80 percent equity balance. The sale was finalized Monday night.

Peter Daou, digital media strategist for Clinton’s 2008 campaign, will serve as the new CEO of True Blue Media.


Please, do not make me see you in such a horrible light, after considering you a beacon of light for so many years.
If you wish me on my knees literally, I will do so with head bowed, you may not see it, but I am always true to my word and I will do so if that would change your mind.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
196. Once Skinner "calls it" I wil no longer be allowed to do so here, doing so at a Sanders only site
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:17 PM
Apr 2016

would have zero effect to help those I care about, much lower readership, and only visited by Sanders supporters that need not read my words to Grok anything as they are already there.

If it is "called for Clinton" by Skinner at Autumn's and other's request before I get a chance to exchange posts with you again, likely within hours now that a well known and well respected in-site Bernie Supporter that Runs the Sanders group.


Goodbye my friend! perhaps my journal will still be available after I am tomb stoned (not really sure how that works)


haikugal

(6,476 posts)
242. No sense worrying about what might happen. Keep writing! We have to be flexible and smart..
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:36 PM
Apr 2016

We're in it to win it. Bernie didn't get his ass handed him yesterday. She did what she had to do (with many irregularities) to continue and Bernie did well. We still have a race and Bernie is the better candidate. I don't know why anyone would lose heart and call it now.

Not me. If they do a DKOS here they will regret it in so many ways...I think they're already feeling it. If they do we'll find a work around, it's what we do.

Keep writing. Keep speaking out!

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
152. Wow. Even with all the shit-stirring posts here, THIS post is hands-down the most disappointing.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:34 PM
Apr 2016

For months, the Bernie Sanders group at DU has been my refuge, the people there my fellow travelers. If this is how the "leadership" of the Sanders group feels, I have to question why they are there at all, and what the group has really been for since it was set up. Is it really just a big Trojan Horse????

At the very least, Autumn, this post should have been in the Sanders group before it was unleashed on GDP. That is, if you're a genuine Sanders supporter, and have any regard for the rest of us you've been pretending to be on board with.

So fucking disappointed.



dchill

(38,471 posts)
158. I find it very amusing that you think ...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:40 PM
Apr 2016

the Bernie group, or all of DU, is big enough to cause appreciable harm to the Clinton machine. Now, one Bully with a Bullhorn, that's significant.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
160. Is the lack of a comma significant?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:41 PM
Apr 2016

I think we can certainly call this Skinner's BOARD. So shall we call it Skinner rather than Underground?

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
163. Why is discussion so threatening on a discussion board?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:44 PM
Apr 2016

What is everybody so afraid of? Oh, wait, I think I know.

Most of us don't come here to persuade anyone to change sides, but for information, to get it and exchange it. And THAT'S what some would like to shut down the flow of, especially about certain topics such as the ones the FBI is interested in.

Well isn't that patriotic? And from a host of the Sanders group? Wow.

I've written it numerous times this week, but one more "true colors".

If Skinner does as you ask, I will still get information and will still discuss Hillary but it won't be here, and I won't be back. But I think and I hope that Skinner has better sense than that.

We will see, as we wait for more to reveal who they are.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
186. We should continue to post and discuss the important issues you spoke about in your post.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:09 PM
Apr 2016

But has any defense of Bernie in the many recent OPs that have slandered and mocked him, take for instance the Rome trip, done one ounce of good? Has it changed a single mind?

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
223. You are using the wrong metric, IMO
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:00 PM
Apr 2016

You are considering Hillary posters on this site who haven't changed their minds.

Many others read this board, some who post rarely and some who never post. We don't have any way of knowing how many minds have changed in that group. I'm sure some have, and that it makes a difference for some statements and policies to be challenged here, on the record, for all to see.

So I very much disagree with this OP.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
289. I don't care what those posts say, I "Trash Can" them.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:46 AM
Apr 2016

I "Trash Canned" all but a very few of those Rome posts, they didn't bother me a bit! I looked to see what kind of absurd bull was being said, and bang! in the can they went.

The other side only ever posts talking points and random slanderous nonsense, so I miss nothing by trashing those posts. Occasionally if nobody else did, I will post something straightening out a sneakily misleading lie. But after that's done once, anything more is a waste of time.

That isn't new, I've been doing that with mostly those same posters for a LONG time, even before the primary. It's like a bigger version of "Ignore". Then too, a person, such as yourself, can "Trash Can" this whole forum. There's no need to call for it to be shut down for others who do not agree with you.

I don't see the problem. I think this was unnecessary and destructive. Now, people like Dragonfli (who I was sad to see said goodbye above) may not come back. (smh)

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
166. Bernie supporters do not feel the same way as Clinton supporters. Autumn should not have
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:47 PM
Apr 2016

spoken for all of us. She should have spoken personally for herself. This is not the end of Bernie. We are going as far as he wants to. We are fighting for issues Clinton will never touch or even consider that is why we are his supporters.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
243. She only speaks for herself...I'm with Bernie and Bernie is with me!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:39 PM
Apr 2016

Let's go 840high...we have a scrappy candidate to support!

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
185. Agree, this was a huge mistake.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:08 PM
Apr 2016

OP definitely doesn't speak for me either.

It's misguided in its totality, but it definitely should have been done in the Sanders group first, and should not have requested action that will affect all Sanders DUers, not just herself.

It's really a shocking thing to do. Very patronizing.

Very much agree that I'm with Sanders through the whole process to the convention, and as far as he wants to go.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
175. I really don't get it. I didn't read all the posts here but you sound like you should get some long
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:51 PM
Apr 2016

good rest for some time. What you say just sounds like you are exhausted.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
195. Bull shit. I was one toke over the line.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:17 PM
Apr 2016

Primo medicinal brownies. That's one of the oh so many reasons why I support Bernie ( because there isn't a happy person eating a brownie)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
198. This was a class move, this thread, by the way.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:21 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not ready to pack it in yet - I'd like to vote, first, I think Bernie is going to perform spectacularly in my state - but I do agree that we're gonna need to come together to support the nominee and I acknowledge who that nominee is likely to be.

I think most of the Sanders people are going to need to get there organically, and it will take a little time. It probably goes without saying that insulting and "neener neener"-ing them (not meaning you, obviously) isn't the best way to achieve that goal.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
205. Ain't no way in hell I'm packing it in. Bernie's saying and so am I. No reason in the
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016

world to try to convince a Hillary supporter that Bernie is better on every single issue and he is more honest and trustworthy. It's a waste of time and bandwidth .

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
228. I caucused for Bernie here in Colorado. I'm proud that the last caucus of my life was for him.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:05 PM
Apr 2016

I ain't gonna do that shit no more, it's too difficult when your mobility challenged. Let me assure you, nothing is ever going to be more satisfying in your life than that vote you cast for Bernie, knowing he really looks out for the needs of the people and he believes that the needs of the people should come first.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
192. Some interesting reactions for sure...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:13 PM
Apr 2016

You know I respect you, we've had our ups and downs but I think somehow we've made it work.

I certainly hope I still get to see your posts, and I'm impressed at the dedication you have for your candidate.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
213. You're right, we have made it work. I'm not going anywhere,
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:43 PM
Apr 2016

you'll see my posts until you put me on ignore. I'm sticking with Bernie, no qualifiers.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
210. Autumn, this sounds nihilistic.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:41 PM
Apr 2016

Of course the bullshit is knee high (or higher) around here, and of course it's no fun to wade through the filth in order to put forth a few truths, counter a few lies, and keep hope alive for any kind of fairness, justice, compassion and decency in this country.

I don't like it either. Many of my favorite DU commenters are gone -- some have trashed GDP, some split for jpr, some are banned or "on review" for bogus reasons and sheer vindictiveness, and some just lie low.

So when it's disgusting beyond belief, you take a vacation. I'm going to try to stick it out to put in a good word for the only candidate worth supporting in this race or try to counter some of the lies, but even I've had to put the worst on ignore.

But don't ask him to close the whole thing out yet, Autumn.

👓 ☮ 👓 ☮ 👓 ☮ THINK OF THE CHILDREN LURKERS! ☮ 👓 ☮ 👓 ☮ 👓


amborin

(16,631 posts)
216. this OP perplexes; after skimming some replies, it seems the goal is to stop criticism of HRC? If so
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:46 PM
Apr 2016

That's a really bad idea; it stifles democracy; democracy is about debate, dissent, factionalism.

Once that's shut down, and we have to toe the "party line," democracy is extinguished.

You say you want to continue to work to nominate and elect Sanders. Yet, you want Skinner
to "call it." Call what? Call for a cessation of criticism of Hillary must be the answer.

Never did I think it was possible to convince a Hillary supporter on DU to switch to Bernie. Rather, I viewed
this forum as a vehicle for sharing insights and info gained or gleaned about the candidates. Then posters
could disseminate that info on social media, as they wished. Democracy thrives on information.


Autumn

(45,056 posts)
221. Not at all. The goal is to focus on Bernie and ignore the noise.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:52 PM
Apr 2016

Criticize Hillary, there is a hell of a lot that she should be criticized for, but realize where we are. There is very little criticism of Bernie here, it's all directed at the Bernie supporters.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
238. Oh, so the entire site would be a gigantic Hillary ad with Bernie hit jobs
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:28 PM
Apr 2016

and no facts allowed to counter the noise?

You want that?

Nah, you don't want that.

You want a vacation, a massage, music, poetry, a trip to the shore, a trip to the lake, light flickering off water and dancing through treetops, fine cuisine, fine wine, the laughter of children, live drama performances, a rode trip, a cruise, a great novel, a good cry, a good night's sleep, reconnection with old friends, redecorate the living room ... and you can take it from there.

Get what you need, Autumn.

Bernie can wait (we'll take care of him.)

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
219. The math has not changed significantly from Super Tuesday.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:48 PM
Apr 2016

If Skinner was going to ever "call it" like Kos or something then he would've done so already.

Math is math.

Response to Autumn (Original post)

amborin

(16,631 posts)
245. Please forgive me if I'm wrong, and I do not mean any offense, but
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:41 PM
Apr 2016

I think you may have switched sides, perhaps without even realizing it yourself.

I base this on your OP, and on some of your recent posts; I qualify this by saying I
typically quickly skim posts and that raises the risk of misunderstanding content; so I
may be totally wrong. But how else make sense of calls to stop criticizing HRC and
to start criticizing Bernie Sanders.



Response to Autumn (Original post)

Response to Autumn (Original post)

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
248. I love tongue in cheek, hate when folks miss the nuanced undertones, take a thing to be 100% serious
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:51 PM
Apr 2016

Provided we could still be supportive of our candidate, and keep to our group and follow the rules, the amount of wasted energy not spent on arguing could go to a great deal of good if this site moved on to the General Election.

Do we really want him to "call it"? I don't know, I'm not sure it matters.

If I'm pickin' up what you're puttin' down, it's like "call it, Skinner. Or don't. I don't care, there's work to do, whatever."



Now, what's interesting to me is that some days ago, or weeks, Skinner changed his avatar from the H back to the DU.

I thought that to be a rather kind and thoughtful thing to do!

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
249. She expands by thirty delegates, and you throw in the towel? C'mon Autumn.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:53 PM
Apr 2016

You and I both know the likely outcome. I've known for months. Even made a meaty post on the subject. It ain't done until there's a concession speech, though.

Though. If by "calling it" Skinner shuts down the GDP cesspit, and subsequently bans the trolls with 10+ hides, I might be convinced to go along with this plan. Hmmmm.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
260. Depends!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:52 PM
Apr 2016

when you say "Hillary supporters" do you mean people who actually support Hillary Clinton? if so, I think it's a ratio of 100:1.

If though you include people who simply hate Bernie for whatever reason and don't seem to give a good goddamn about Hilalry beyond her role facilitating that, then the lead narrows to 20:1 or so.

Response to Autumn (Reply #262)

MerryBlooms

(11,767 posts)
257. After reading through... I get where you're coming from.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:36 PM
Apr 2016

I make a rare comment here in GD: P, but I've known for ages DU is not the place for real primary discussion or candidate promotion.

Don't resign as Group Host.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
259. I have no intention of resigning as Group Host. They would have to haul my dead ass out of there
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:42 PM
Apr 2016
You are so right it's all noise. Very little thoughtful discussion of any issues.
 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
286. I agree with the sentiment
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:08 AM
Apr 2016

In 2008, when Obama was this far along, it was called. We are just inflicting wounds on ourselves. Are we going to do it for days, weeks or months. The libels against Clinton are nasty, false and malicious and this needs to end.

There are going to be people who don't want to stop, but they need to stop trashing the candidates. All trashing should be prohibited. There are other sites not affiliated with Democratic Party where that crap can be indulged.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
287. Don't call it Skinner! Clinton would need 67.9% of all remaining delegates to win outright.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:11 AM
Apr 2016

I don't see that happening. Do you?

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
295. Considering that somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% of this site supports Bernie I can't see
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

it happening either. Could you imagine the hundred or so Hillary supporters sitting here chatting with each other after they get rid of the rest of us? That would be a gigantic snooze fest Posting is money for the site.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
288. From Skinner: "....primary campaign is still going on. ..."
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:14 AM
Apr 2016

Skinner is not "calling it."

Good to see.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910112#post1

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:09 AM PT

1. At this point it appears that the primary campaign is still going on.

I'm not worried. Eventually we will have a nominee, and it'll take a little time for people to adjust. But I have no doubt that the vast majority of DUers will be on board for the general election when the time comes.

Everyone knows where this is going, everyone understands what is at stake in the general election. It'll all be fine.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
290. Wow, thank you pat_k, for posting this! ^^^
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:13 AM
Apr 2016

Glad I came back to this thread, to see this because I don't read ATA much anymore.

And since I can't reply there in ATA, a big thank you! to Skinner for letting the conversation continue.

Very glad to see this, it's as good of a boost as this thread was a downer.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
292. Well, God has spoken. Breathe easy, folk.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:40 AM
Apr 2016

And anticipate the delights of tomorrow, because David Brock's special online friends have several more treats coming!

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
302. You're the founding host of the Sanders group? I challenge you to impose this on your group /nt
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:55 PM
Apr 2016

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
307. Sadly, I have to agree
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:03 PM
Apr 2016

It's time to stop using this site to post right wing conspiracy theories about Hillary. As long as we can still support Bernie on here I am fine with it.

still_one

(92,136 posts)
326. The OP is not saying give up on the election. The OP is saying don't waste time arguing
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:58 AM
Apr 2016

with Hillary supporters on DU, and focus on getting the vote out for Sanders

still_one

(92,136 posts)
330. That is a play on another thread where a Hillary supporter asked Skinner to call it
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:08 AM
Apr 2016

The OP has made it pretty clear what she meant in this thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1794436

It's a long thread, and it can be easily missed, and misinterpreted.

I believe it has been misinterpreted by some Hillary and Bernie supporters.

Keep in mind that the OP is a very strong Bernie supporter, so she is definitely not throwing the towel in, or asking any other Sanders supporters to give up

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
329. Wait 'til autumn!
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:06 AM
Apr 2016

Just wonderful how authoritarians want to shut it down before ALL the votes are cast or counted... so much like the Bush brigade in Florida in 2000

This is HRC in 2016. Strange evolution because back in 2008, she vowed to stay in the primary race through CA "because you never know... remember Bobby Kennedy!"

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
331. A heartfelt note to you Autumn.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:26 AM
Apr 2016

Autumn,

Nine states, thousands of miles, personal donations and four months away from my spouse… That is the tiniest of glimpses of what 2008 was like for me and still my then preferred candidate lost. I remember being so angry and disappointed, it sucked and I wanted every person who told me to fall in line to $#@! off!

I did just that, at least until my candidate said to stop looking in the past and to move forward. I’m grateful for President Obama and indeed I did vote for him and in the end, I’m so happy that I did.

Wherever you are, please accept my apologizes for the disagreement that we had. I remember what it felt like and also remember wishing then Senator Obama’s supporters were kinder to the rest of us. I offer that to you.

Wishing you the best.

Firebrand Gary

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