Is it time to start purging members who won't fall in line?

[TMontoya]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Goblinmonger (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

Now that Hillary is the presumptive nominee and the media now presenting Bernie as a failed candidate should DU start purging the members who declare they are leaving the Democratic Party for either the elitist green party or independents? Add to the fact some openly state they will NEVER vote for Clinton. Thats fine and that is your right, but on this message board we support DEMOCRATS. Not a particular ideological brand.

[Vinca]

1. Must we frog march and give that funny salute, too?

[4139]

38. Yes...

[speaktruthtopower]

2. What is this, Bernie supporters, Mexico and icepicks?

[northernsouthern]

3. Agreed!

This is a democracy after all we all have the right to shut up!

[polichick]

4. All this after 300 posts!

[FlatBaroque]

76. Don't you like the feeling of a new pair of socks?

[passiveporcupine]

78. Oh no

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. Ya mean like Camp Bansalot?

Lookin' to hit the 1,000 mark by the end of the month.

[TheBlackAdder]

6. So much for the Democratic process, a forced evolution is in order.

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[CompanyFirstSergeant]

7. You don't think...

...that a free and open exchange of ideas benefits everyone?

I've learned a lot in the past few weeks that I have been here and appreciate all the input, whether I agree with it or not.

This world has little enough to offer the regular people in terms of a voice, people should feel proud to be part of an honest debate that gives all sides a voice.

When I am posting, I never forget that I am on virtual 'private property' and make every attempt to be civil and honorable.

But squashing opinion seems wrong, especially since many states still have not voted.

[QC]

8. Skinner says no.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910112

[baldguy]

9. How undemocratic to only allow Democrats on "Democratic Underground".

Where's the outlet for Republicans, libertarians, Tea Baggers, & "independents"? There's no reason why people with an honest hatred for Democrats, the Democratic Party, & their candidates shouldn't have their voice be heard.

[nolawarlock]

15. +10

[Blue_In_AK]

50. Except the name of the Board should be Democratic Establishment

rather than Democratic Underground in that case. So few people seem to remember what "Underground" means.

[Tarc]

10. ...

[amborin]

11. purging those who don't toe the party line is the essence of fascism

[TMontoya]

16. Not really

In case you haven't noticed this is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. A site for members and supporters of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Its not "progressive underground". Got it?

[Matt_in_STL]

35. You sure do seem to know a lot after 3 weeks here

You should totally start your own site as quick as you are to try to take over others.

[aquamarina]

62. ^^^ This ^^^

[bjo59]

85. Exactly right.

[nolawarlock]

17. I agree that fascism is wrong ...

...Which is why the constant bullying, silencing and, more than anything, alert stalking on the part of Sanders supporters on this site have put the word fascism into my head a number of times.

However, the professed purpose of this site is to elect Democrats. Ridding it of people after the nominee is chosen who do nothing but essentially support the other side's candidate with their vitriol is not fascist. It's simply staying on topic. If all someone came here to do was talk about knitting, would deleting them be fascism? No. It would be keeping the site to its expressed purpose and electing Democrats.

[SpareribSP]

41. I don't think banning Sanders supporters will help her get elected

[nolawarlock]

47. I don't think they should ban Sanders supporters.

I think they should ban people who say we shouldn't support Hillary after she gets the nomination. There are many who support Sanders who will flip for Hillary in the General just as most Hillary folks would flip the other way if the situation is reversed.

[SpareribSP]

54. Perhaps, if it's just blind hatred

But I think it's important to listen to people who feel betrayed on ideology, and see if they can be brought into the fold.

[nolawarlock]

59. I don't hate Sanders

And the vast majority of blind hatred I've seen on this site is from the Sanders camp they blindly hate Hillary enough to only accept a reality where he is the candidate. I don't see any Hillary supporters taking that stance. We know how to compromise.

Either way, once the focus of this site goes to electing the party nominee in the general, anything posted here That makes it harder for her to win becomes off topic. It's nothing to do with hate and everything to do with distraction.

[4nic8em]

68. It took a brief moment

for me to figure out this is just another typical bullshit "unity" thread...

[Politicub]

74. I don't think a message board has anything to do with fascism

Other things that are fascist using (what I think) is your definition: organic and conventional Bartlett pears in different bins, men wearing dress shoes sans socks, and peanut butter and jelley sandwiches with the crusts cut off.

[amborin]

87. sorting pears is simply a matter of classification, has zip to do w/ fascism; men not wearing socks

is simply a socially constructed norm, and not an example of fascism; censoring political discussions about candidates for government office is an example, however; with all due respect, if you wish, I can provide you with a reading list on the topic.

[davenelson5555]

12. You Clinton supporters bray and bark about ideological purity

Yet here you are posting this bullshit? And you wonder why your camp is compared to the GOP. Lockstep much?

[villager]

13. Sure, Mr. Stalin!

Nothing like a good purge to keep the party pure!

[KeepItReal]

14. After the VOTERS conclude that we have a Nominee, *you* can purge PUMAs from wherever you can.

Last Dem primary weren't those folks...?

[PaulaFarrell]

18. you've been here all of two minutes

And you want to start purging people. I would start with shit-stirrers like you. Go away.

[opiate69]

21. + a metric fuck-ton.

[TMontoya]

27. I don't care

I don't care if this was my first post. The point still stands.

[PaulaFarrell]

71. no it doesn't

Go away

[farleftlib]

33. Yeah!

Newbies with delusions of grandeur are very tiresome to say the least.

Ones that want the rest of us thrown out should themselves go find a more pleasing
environment.

[think]

44. This ^^

[jehop61]

19. Harsh

We all can vote for whoever we wish. We can all post our feelings on a website, within reason. This is only a website not a private club. Why try and separate us further?

[opiate69]

20. Hmmm

https://m.

[NCTraveler]

22. No. And "we" as Clinton supporters don't have a say.

We are users of this board. Even when the rules here change one would have to want to be purged. There are so many great targets that they would literally have to want to be kicked off. I really don't want to see a mass exodus. There are some members here I lost some respect for over these primaries, as I have lost some respect from them. After the primaries a lot of that respect will be gained back as our intellect makes its way back to the screen. There are some great writers here and some of them aren't really big on me right now. I have enjoyed a lot of their work over the years.

[emsimon33]

89. Many of the great writers and thinkers have been banned from DU.

However, you can still interact with them at http://jackpineradicals.org.

[DrDan]

23. "fall in line"?? How about "support the Democratic presumptive nominee"

I think that sounds reasonable considering we are on a Democratic site.

18 days . . . maybe lighten up a bit

[msongs]

24. no need to purge. the not-democrats will delete themselves soon nt

[Matt_in_STL]

39. I don't understand- why would Hillary supporters leave?

[restorefreedom]

70. :) nt

[procon]

25. What purge?

Look, if people here feel the need to purge themselves from DU because they can't get past the lump offestering choler stuck in their craw, then form a line and do so quietly and without seeking public fanfare with yet another whiney, sour grapes complaint about why they did not choose the winning candidate.

[Agschmid]

26. No, and this is disruptive meta.

[Peace Patriot]

28. Kind of like the 126,000 Democrats purged from...

...the Democratic Party voting rolls, by the NY Democratic Party, in the town where Bernie Sanders was born, on suspicion that they were poor?

Do you know how much that H arrow to the right disgusts old DUers like me? Go ahead and purge me, you punk! I don't have that long to live anyway. I've been a Democrat for 50+ years, and a person for 70. I canvassed for JFK at age 16! And I know how much that kind of loyalty doesn't matter to Clinton and her bots. She can go buy all the votes she needs elsewhere, using her Clinton Foundation slush fund.

I am also a woman. And I say there couldn't be a worse example of feminism on the face of Mother Earth, than Hillary Clinton, whose decisions have led to the rapes, murders, and/or cruel displacement of millions of women in Honduras, Libya, Syria and Iraq. She even laughed about the bayonet rape and murder of one of her "regime change" targets, right on camera. "We came, we saw, he died! ha-ha-ha!" THAT'S feminism? That's what I've struggled for and supported all my life? THAT's the Democratic Party that I've been loyal to all my life?

DO IT! TURN ME IN! Here's my arm. Tattoo it! Shove this old witch in the oven! Do you realize where your mind is leading you? Do you REALIZE?!

Or just go away to a cave somewhere and do some serious soul-searching. You need to.

Peace

[TMontoya]

36. Stop with the hyperbole please

If you're a Democrat you would support the Democratic nominee its really as simple as that.

And are you being seriously about her logo?

[Peace Patriot]

72. I am not exaggerating about Clinton's policies, or about anything above...

...except perhaps about her buying votes with her slush fund. She's bought some votes by buying off leaders of groups or public officials, but not all votes. Some people have voted for her freely.

As for the logo, I've come to associate it with snarky posts--posts merely intended to discourage and rag on people--fascist posts like this OP threatening to purge people, and the Clinton policies that I abhor.

The logo, for me, alerts me to posts I don't want to read, because they usually have no information content and are just emotional pickaxes, and the logo reminds of the right turn that Clinton will make, after the primaries, if she's still in the game, and all the betrayals that good people will suffer, when her promises are broken (for instance, on TPP, or the minimum wage), and/or the policies that people have projected into her, and that aren't there--such as protection of full abortion rights--that will vanish in thin air.

Also, there are Clinton policies that most people don't have a clue about--such as Honduras, Libya, Syria and Iraq--and who her advisers are: incredibly, Henry Kissinger (mass murderer of millions in Southeast Asia, and architect of fascist coups in LatAm) and Robert Kagan (chief neo-con, author of Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld's blueprint for U.S. military occupation of the ME--"The Project for a New American Century&quot . I think most people have a vague notion that Clinton will be strong but not a warmonger. I think they are in for dreadful disillusionment.

The right turn arrow is ominous, to my mind. I doubt that whoever created it meant it that way. But now that we have a similar Bernie logo with the arrow pointing LEFT, I think of it like that. It wouldn't matter if there wasn't a whole lot of truth in Clinton's rightwing turn to come.

[farleftlib]

42. WTG, Peace Patriot

I'm a woman and also appalled at what a poor excuse of a woman and human being HRC is.

There is no worse fate, IMO than to have bombs falling from the sky on your country,
your home, just because somebody bigger than you doesn't like someone you probably
don't like either but have to power to change. Women and children fare much worse than
men during war but HRC wants more and more of it. Enough! Ya Basta!

I wish you well.

[Katashi_itto]

58. +1000

[Raster]

66. BRAVA!!!

[KeepItReal]

73. New York's voter purge would do Katherine Harris and Ken Blackwell proud.

[redstateblues]

82. Sanctimonious hyperbole

I too am a lifelong Democrat Even longer than you. I marched in Atlanta at the inauguration of Lester Maddox carrying a coffin labeled "The Death of the New South" People like me were not popular in the South then. Your ridiculous charges against Hillary would be akin to me accusing Bernie of all the gun deaths in the last 20 years. That's ridiculous as well. Very sad to get to this part of life and be so full of bitterness and anger. Bernie is an anger and envy merchant. Follow him at your peril off the cliff to nowhere. He has no plan. No solutions. No plan to win back Congress or the state houses. No raising money for down ballot Democrsts. His revolution is a bumper sticker slogan.

[bjo59]

90. Absolutely, whole-heartedly agree with everything you said here.

[Phlem]

30. ^^^This^^^

I guess enough said huh.

On *DU* none the less. The fucking irony.

[TeddyR]

31. If you support the Democratic party

The party platform and down-ticket candidates I think that should be sufficient, even if you don't support a nominee who is disliked by the majority of Americans and under ACTIVE INVESTIGATION by the FBI and may be indicted. I'll vote for Hills if she's the nominee, even though she's a terrible candidate and it is shocking that Democrats couldn't anoint someone who actually represents party ideals.

[Purveyor]

32. Why not just make it simple and purge everyone from the forum

that has been banned from the hillary group.

Run 'that one' by the owners and see what they think...

[azurnoir]

40. Lol

good one

[emsimon33]

86. It would sure cut down on their time deciding who must die!

But then would there only be 15 people left?

[panader0]

34. With about 75% of Duer's being Sanders supporters,

I don't think the admins want them gone. This site would go broke. At the least, I believe
the revenue here will take a dip soon.

[Peacetrain]

37. Less than 400 posts and you think people should be purged??

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Blue_In_AK]

43. Bwa-ha-ha...

Member of 19 days (allegedly) calling for the purging of people who have been here 12 years or more. Hillarious.

[Adrahil]

45. Well there is a TOS....

I do think it should be abided by....

[AgingAmerican]

52. The site owners say nothing will happen until AFTER the convention

So don't hold your breath

Hillary supporters are to GOTV what garlic is to vampires.

[Matariki]

46. Jeezus. The relief of Clinton ending her losing streak must really be heady

You all need oxygen. Or something.

[cherokeeprogressive]

48. You gonna go to the Photography Forum and pick out members who've not fallen for the line?

Oops, I mean fallen in line?

[AgingAmerican]

49. This is pathetic

Her supporters are to GOTV what RAID is to house flys.

[hobbit709]

51. I don't follow orders too well.

So take your authoritarian BS, fold it until it all sharp corners and you know where to put it.

Stalin had purges too.

[Raster]

53. Just over 300 posts and only a member for 20 days...

...and you're calling for people to be purged? IMHO, you and people like you are the problem with Democratic Underground. You have no idea of the people, the ideas, the discussions, the years that have gone into creating this online community. NOT. A. FUCKING. CLUE.

[highprincipleswork]

55. I would be nice if Democratic Underground was in some way democratic. Good for the Party too.

[jfern]

57. It would certainly fail the other part too if everyone not for Hillary was purged

[jfern]

56. What a great plan to shrink the party

[AgingAmerican]

64. GOTV, Stalin style

They just don't get it....

[bluedigger]

60. You could have posted that first sentence last June.

The Party rules say this is still a two horse race and I'm not quitting.

[SHRED]

61. Who writes your jokes?

They aren't funny.

[bigwillq]

63. I'll never fall in line.

But I'll also respect the TOS. I accepted the fact that Hillary will be the nominee, and I hope she wins. But I don't like her, and never will. But I do support democracy. The people are speaking and the majority want Hillary. It is what it is.

[frylock]

65. Member since: Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:51 PM

[Raster]

69. April Fool is entirely appropriate.

[restorefreedom]

67. yes, always good to take the lead from the corrupt media and their agenda...(s)

and as a shout out to bmus,

[Amishman]

75. and this attitude is why a lot of people might stay home if Hillary gets the nod

[Jackie Wilson Said]

77. Too many people can still be talked into doing the right thing, if Bernie loses, by voting for

Hillary.

[FlatBaroque]

79. ,.i.. ..i.,

[Renew Deal]

81. No. And you have been here 2 weeks. Maybe we should start with you.

[RepubliCON-Watch]

83. GTFO with this BS.

There's still a primary and Bernie supporters aren't going any freakin' where.

[emsimon33]

84. This is when you joined DU: "Member since: Fri Apr 1, 2016, 09:51 PM"

So, is your membership is a joke?

Here less than a month and you are already purging?!?!

And the Democratic Party wonders why so many are threatening to leave the Party.

[Octafish]

88. April Fascist Day

Und today is der Schickelgrueber's BD.

[emsimon33]

91. That's what I was thinking. Why else April 1, less than a month & already purging!

[mike_c]

92. I've been a member of this community for fifteen years, newb.

An elitist Green Party member, at that. Who made you the arbiter of purges?

[Goblinmonger]

93. Locking

A forum for general discussion of the Democratic presidential primaries. Disruptive meta-discussion is forbidden.