What if Skinner "Calls it" and Bernie wins?

[Zira]

There are several more states that are far more open than NY still, meaning Hillary won't do so well in them since MORE PEOPLE CAN VOTE. And her numbers continue to landslide while Bernies continue to go up.

ie. California which is delegate rich state where Hillary has been falling and Bernie has been rising.

The actual math is that Bernie can still win.

What if Skinner calls it and is wrong? Does he email all of us who flee this place when he "Calls it" because we refuse to be part of a silenced majority when we are still supporting our candidate who is running? Does he tell us all he made a big fat mistake and apologize?

Do all of you demanding the race that is months from being over be called so prematurely also appologize?

Just asking.

[beaglelover]

1. It's a mathmatical impossibility at this point. Give it a rest. St Bernard has LOST LOST LOST!!!!

LOL!!! You guys and your #berniemath!!!!

[highprincipleswork]

11. You guys and your "superdelegates", who don't count until the convention.

It's a long way off.

[nolawarlock]

97. Few super delegates will ever switch.

1) They are specifically set up to address the needs of the Party. Not only has Bernie not helped the down-ticket, he has made numerous statements over the years against the Democratic party. Yes, he caucused with them, but he had a lot of negative things to say.

2) Hordes of Bernie supporters have harassed, abused, and threatened numerous super delegates on their social media pages, particularly Facebook from what I can see, and I doubt very much that's going to help motivate these people after they see home addresses being posted and other nefarious behavior.

That super delegate ship has sailed. It won't be coming back. They should have known they could have caught that bee better with honey.

[eomer]

14. Hard to tell what's sarcasm these days.

You're not actually saying it's a mathematical impossibility, correct? You're making fun of someone who would say something so obviously incorrect?

[merrily]

56. Actually, it isn't, but Hillary stayed in past the mathematical impossibility stage

Hard to understand why people who admire her so much aren't happy to see her shining example being followed.

[beaglelover]

63. She and Obama were much closer in the delegate count.

[merrily]

78. Irrelevant: Mathematically impossible is mathematically impossible.

[Gore1FL]

86. You need to use a dictionary and figure out the difference between improbable and impossible.

I bet your beagle thinks you are awesome. If your post is indicative of who you are in real life, your beagle is wrong.

[Marrah_G]

92. No it is not.

[lagomorph777]

102. The "Resistance is Futile" meme is so tired and boring - we don't knuckle under to bullies.

If Hillarians were actually confident of victory, they wouldn't be so desperate to get us to give up.

[pangaia]

103. YOU call him st bernard. I don't.

I call him Bernie.

[Hissyspit]

106. You say that like it's a good thing.

Fuck the Third Way.

[CentralCoaster]

2. My prediction: Skinner doesn't call it.

The recent calls for him to call it are most entertaining.

One is serious (if delusional), and another OP is joking but being taken quite seriously by come members.

DU has a lot of Bernie blood in it's system, it's unlikely to "Call it" for Hillary any time soon.

[Zira]

7. I hope so because It's really giving me an awful taste of this place

The election isn't over until it's over.

Us newbies here are sure learning a lot about some sites.

[840high]

59. .that^

[global1]

65. What Exactly Does "Skinner Calling It" Mean?....

What does Skinner have to do with 'calling it'? Bernie is in this till Philadelphia - he's not calling it. What am I missing here?

[CentralCoaster]

75. I can only guess, were you to ask the authors of the OPs:

I think the Hillary supporters would like Skinner to call the primaries over, change the name of the group to General Discussion, Presidency (or something) and prohibit negative talk about Clinton.

These Clinton supporters probably think that the change would lead to expulsion, banning, from the sight many good members who have been supporting Sanders over Clinton.

This would really make DU suck but they'd feel some sense of victory, I suppose.

If she's the candidate then Sanders supporters will have to toe the line, but then after she loses to the GOP it would change again to yet another kind of community.

Don't expect Skinner to call it until the convention is over. Then we'll see what happens.

Gonna be interesting!

[Kittycat]

84. He's already responded to this in the Admin Forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910112#post1

[pangaia]

107. "Everyone knows where this is going,

everyone understands what is at stake in the general election. It'll all be fine. "

from Skinner's post in that other thread..


Well, I sure as hell don't know where it is going..
I'll bet my opinion of what is at stake ain't the same as St Skinner's.
All just may NOT be fine.

[jwirr]

109. I said at the beginning of this election that I was going to

keep my sig-line no matter what and I am. I am proud that I have supported Bernie and I will still be supporting his movement until true change happens.

Too bad if someone does not like it.

[geek tragedy]

3. the race was over March 15, and is even more over now.

It will be painfully, "please make it stop" over a week from today.

[demwing]

50. You are consistently contentious

but at least you're consistent. Time for you to go back on ignore.

[northernsouthern]

53. Please tell her...

[Jackie Wilson Said]

4. I predict it wont be called here until the very last possible minute.

Partly for selfish, monetary reasons, but it can also work to the advantage of us all if we all stick around, so to speak, to mend the fences and start fresh.

[w4rma]

77. Irony: A Hillary supporter saying that it's the other person with the selfish, monetary reasons.(nt)

[Jackie Wilson Said]

94. First, I am a Bernie voter and second, what if I support Bernie for the reasons

you do such as tuition free education and universal healthcare, etc, but I dont need those things because I am wealthy.

What if that was the case?

I am a Hillary voter if necessary, because I am not insane.

[w4rma]

98. Mea Culpa on calling you a Hillary supporter. I still disagree with you on the point I noted.

Continuing the campaign has absolutely nothing to do with greed. In fact the campaign is one that is basically against greed. And just about every Sanders donor will tell you that they want the campaign to continue.

[RobertEarl]

5. What does call it even mean?

Does it mean the rest of us are denied any free-speech on DU?

Don't worry about Skinner. He s not going to skin DU. Or his business.

[Zira]

8. From what I gathered it means we have to support Hillary or get banned.

[RobertEarl]

19. Banned?

My gawd, what would that accomplish? There'd be like 10% of the current posters left.

[grasswire]

27. a ghost town

It's pretty pushy for people to demand that skinner lose 90 percent of his customers.

[litlbilly]

66. If he bans us all, this place would be more than a joke. How much fun they would have

just kissing each other and how great their candidate is.

[pangaia]

110. They could call it the ....eh,, I better not.....

[JohnnyRingo]

42. No one has to be banned.

It's not like there'd be a loyalty test to continue posting.

Eventually, if indeed Hillary does prove to be the Democratic nominee, there would only be restrictions on those who want the Democratic Party to lose in November, or state that our nominee has to step down.

Obviously, there would be no petitioning for a third party as has always been the rule in DU. That's why a lot of Ron Paul supporters have been shown the door. They complained about "free speech" here as I recall.

[demwing]

54. which is why it is unlikely to happen

page clicks drive advertising rates, if no one is around to click pages...

[snooper2]

62. Nope- a bunch of trolls will be gone that never supported Democrats, and some hard core PUMAs

Then we will continue to bash the Repuke till the cows get lost in the bottom of a lake

[That Guy 888]

85. Does part of your sig line read "No Bush and No Clinton!"?

Just curious if I'm reading that right.

[snooper2]

87. Yep, might have to change it- Got any ideas? My dude lost :(

[That Guy 888]

90. Look on the bright side, you don't need the No Bush anymore.

Unfortunately I'm too "p.u.m.a." to help you out with something pro Clinton. My opinions on her have nothing to do with Sanders or freeper sites.

[global1]

67. Maybe The Hillary Group Then Will Turn On Each Other....

they have to find some outlet for their nastiness.

[restorefreedom]

89. i understand it to mean

not supporting or advocating for another candidate (trump, stein, etc). it does not mean we have to come on here and be pro hillary. we can discuss other races, other topics. and we don't hsve to vote for her although advertising that would not be advisable. basicslly don't come here and criticize her even if you are not voting for her.

for many, enforced silence will not be acceptable, and neither will sticking to other topics.

[musicblind]

91. That is how it went down in 2008.

I imagine that is how it will go down this time around, if Hillary wins. If Bernie wins then the same would happen to Hillary supporters. You don't have to stop liking Bernie or Hillary, but you'd have to support the nominee and could not post negative things about the nominee.

I would also point out that in 2008, Skinner did not "call it" until much later on. I imagine he will use the same time frame this time around.

[cherokeeprogressive]

25. Who's the "they" that stacks juries?

[pat_k]

58. "Call it" = Close GD: P (I think)

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure "call it" means close GP: P. That is, effectively declare the primary over; declare that it's time to rally round the Democratic nominee.

From Terms of Service:

During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them. In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose. But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.

The problem I have with this is that the convention is about more than nominating our pres and vp candidates. It's also about creating the Democratic Party platform. And I want as many Bernie delegates there as possible to support bold goals. Winning delegates is what this presidential primary season is about, and as long as there are reasons to help Bernie win as many of them as possible, the primary is not "over."

[RobertEarl]

68. No call until the convention is done?

That makes perfect sense.

Why are there so many wanting to jump ahead then, and limit participation? What are they afraid of?

[litlbilly]

69. funny cause thats all they do to Bernie, trash all day long, i dont see any of them getting

banned. funny how that works.

[Cooley Hurd]

6. Skinner's not going to call anything soon, and calls for him to do so...

...shows a significant insecurity from those asking him to do so.

There's a post in AtA asking him to (essentially) do so. Linking the thread might constitute a callout, but of you go to AtA, you'll see what I mean.

[JoePhilly]

51. One of the hosts of the Bernie group has asked ...

... Skinner to "call it".

True story.

Go check the Bernie group.

[mythology]

9. And what if pigs fly?

The odds of Sanders winning are really really small.

But also the rules turn to don't disparage the nominee. If you can't not insult Clinton that's on you.

[Codeine]

12. Really? Come on now.

He's not going to win California by the kind of percentages that would dig him out of his hole, assuming he pulls off a win at all. By the time he gets here he'll likely be at a 275-300 delegate deficit. he'd have to win California by a wildly astronomical margin.

It. Is. Over.

[Tarc]

13. #berniemath strikes again

Sanders has to carry the rest at ~58%. If projections hold, then after Hillary goes 5/5 or at worst 4/5 April 26th, that jumps up to 62%.

Stop being this guy;

[JohnnyRingo]

48. It's only about fundraising now

Bernie probably has campaign debts like payroll, and I'm not sure what happens to a surplus. I don't know what they're allowed to spend it on, but I'd hope Bernie handed extra cash down to the party he's claimed loyalty to. I think that's the exact definition of a Democratic Socialist.

I'm telling friends who support Sanders that it's now or never. I say if they think he's still in the running, it's time to put their money where their mouth is and top off that donation to the $2500 limit. They can't expect to fund a bargain basement revolution on $25.

[.99center]

64. Or this woman?

Less than 300 delegates separate us out of 4765! "NO ONE HAS THE NOMINATION"

[Tarc]

73. You really don't get how this works

Is the concept of percentages relegated to "old math" now?

[Barack_America]

15. What if Skinner calls it and the FBI recommends indictment?

Anyone not recognizing this is actually a possibility is delusional.

Anyone who recognizes this and still thinks we should just go ahead and crown Hillary is not thinking of the best interests of the Democratic Party, or our country.

Just sayin'...

[geek tragedy]

23. you're back? nt

[Barack_America]

30. I didn't say I was leaving. I said I was expecting to be TS'ed.

I can't quit politics.

Wish I could. Working on channeling it into local activism. Small steps.

[obamanut2012]

32. hahahaha

Was there ever a doubt?

[geek tragedy]

33. none of us can ever stay away nt

[obamanut2012]

83. i know, alas

[Starry Messenger]

99. They just love the drama.

[Bluenorthwest]

96. you're still here? Posts hidden by Jury: 12

If it was not for Skinner's Special Rules you would not even be present to berate and bait like you do all day everyday on DU.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=144296&sub=trans

[grasswire]

29. absolutely

That would be disastrous.

[Thinkingabout]

80. What is she going to be indicted, what crime has she committed?

[Arkansas Granny]

16. Skinner says that it appears that the primary is still going on.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=10116

[blm]

17. I know you've only been here a month and this is your first primary here, but,

think back to why you wanted to join this place in the first place. It is no secret that DU is here for Democrats to congregate and engage with the goal of countering the GOP agenda by winning elections EVERY election cycle.

[RobertEarl]

21. So that means ignore any negatives?

Does that mean be delusional and act like there is nothing wrong with the candidate, and if one does, one is banned?

[blm]

24. no….but, acting like this place is all about ONE primary election isn't exactly

healthy thinking, imo.

I have no problem supporting Sanders for my own personal reasons and ALSO remain mindful of how hard I and other Democratic workers and volunteers work as GOTV activists, and many of us do it in a purple state where every single vote matters.

Of course, I don't expect others to be on the exact same page with me….though it sure would make "ME, ME, ME" feel a whole lot better…….wouldn't it?

BTW…the majority of threats and scolding has been coming from recent members…..my personal take: I don't believe 70% of them are anything less than GOP operatives. Or Putin pushers.

[RobertEarl]

34. They are nasty

And most of them, imo, are against GOTV. So your 70% being trolls is probably close to correct.

[blm]

35. Thank you. I try to maintain a sense about GOP counterattacks to Dem voting...

I have to….I work GOTV in North Carolina.

[litlbilly]

70. theyve done such a great job too, with DWS, the third way, the DNC and on and on.

they might want to rethink their priorities.

[NurseJackie]

18. Ha! :-)

[bigwillq]

20. Skinner is unlikely to call it, and Bernie is unlikely to win.

But I do think Skinner should wait until the nominee is confirmed.

[litlbilly]

71. Im calling it now, Oregon is going to be the king maker, Bernie overtakes Hillary

in the pledged delegate count. If I'm wrong, oh well...

[Zynx]

22. He is going to lose Maryland, PA, Delaware, and probably CT next week.

There is not enough of the country to close the gap.

Even if he narrowly wins CA, it can't make up that gap.

[dubyadiprecession]

26. Hillary can lose every state going forward and still win...

In other words, she only needs 29% of the vote in each state going forward and she will still win the delegates needed for nomination.

[cwydro]

28. From what I've read from Skinner in various forums,

he considers it primary season still.

As do I.

Bernie has been a great candidate, and I expect him to ride it out a bit.

[pat_k]

45. And so he should -- for more than "a bit"

Nominating pres and vp is not the only thing the convention is about.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511794471

[cwydro]

47. Sure.

And I support Hillary.

More than happy for Bernie to be in the mix to the end however!

[pat_k]

60. Good to hear.

I think there are plenty of other Hillary supporters who see the value of Bernie staying in. But I haven't run into many in GD-P.

[seabeyond]

31. LmFuckin'ao after reading your title. Sanders win? Bah hahahahahah

[Codeine]

36. And they truly believe it.

Arithmetic, probability, political realities are beyond them.

[seabeyond]

38. Ya, well, being in California the 70's, I would never have done the cult thing in my late teens or

early 20's. What more can I say.

Hey... You.... I want out of Texas. I am connecting with all those on the west coast. Tell me how much I NEED to get out of here.

[Codeine]

81. A boatload.

Ain't nuthin' cheap on this coast.

[seabeyond]

112. Lol. I wasn't talking money. I was talking more, you gotta tell me i really need to get out.

Get this. Went to a woman empowering luncheon today of 800 women. It was a Laura Bush program. I know very little. $ people on the stage, ALL men, talking about women and girls.

The speaker was Chris Kyles wife. Though interesting, ultimately she told us.... Inherently being different, men need to be respected. Women need to be cherished.

I am saying.... one year. I am gone. I have one more year.

[passiveporcupine]

44. And you think you are a winner

After looking at your transparency page, I think I know who the winner is.

[seabeyond]

46. I think Clinton and the Democratic Party is the winner. I really do not give a shit what you think

about me.

[passiveporcupine]

49. don't worry sweetie...we are on the same page

as far as shits given.

[seabeyond]

52. Sweetie? Ya, I get it ... darlin'.

[passiveporcupine]

57. It's far nicer than the language you tend to use against Bernie

and his supporters.

[woodsprite]

37. IF he calls it before the convention, then it's not really Democratic Underground, is it? n/t

[Zira]

39. +1

[workinclasszero]

40. What if I win the lotto tomorrow?

Odds are it will never happen.

Same for Bernie winning the nomination now after NY.

[Adrahil]

41. Well, I suppose I could win the lottery tomorrow too....

Although I don't think Skinner will (or should) "call it" at this point. Maybe if Hillary clobbers Bernie next Tuesday. If Hillary extends her lead again next week, then seriously.... it's done.

[litlbilly]

72. you would like to think so wouldnt you?

[Adrahil]

74. Well, I am an engineer, so I understand math.

I just don;t see how you think Bernie somehow gonna to increase his delegate performance by 50%. Whjat on earth is the basis of such fantasy? I mean, I get candidate loyalty, but seriously....

[Bleacher Creature]

43. What if Rocky De La Fuente wins??

He has about the same chance as Bernie.

[Agnosticsherbet]

55. Are there anymore caucuses? Those are the really low turn out states

Where Sanders has been quite successful.

[IamMab]

61. With comedy like this, there's a Mark Twain Prize for American Humor in your future! nt

[polichick]

76. How can anyone call it while the investigation ramps up?

[JoePhilly]

79. What if a butterfly flaps its wings ????

[Thinkingabout]

82. Looking forward to the primaries through June 7, more delegates for Hillary, taking it to the

convention. Skinner has taken action when there is a direct action of members which is against his rules.

[Generic Brad]

88. He'll call it as soon as the first candidate secures the delegates needed for the nomination

To do so sooner would be pointless and an insult to voters that will be needed in the fall if we are to trounce the GOP the way they deserve to be trounced on.

Petal to the metal and may the candidate with the most votes win!

[marlakay]

93. If Skinner "calls it" before primary is over

I am out of here and i have been here since 2004.

I understand why Clinton people feel she is ahead but until Bernie himself concedes and he is not in the race we should be able on this forum to discuss it.

[Orsino]

95. Skinner isn't in a hurry. Why should we be?

Those without the stomach for more campaigning can use the ignore feature for the next however long.

[lagomorph777]

100. How can Skinner call the election?

Did he suddenly get a seat on the Supreme Court or something?

[Renew Deal]

101. He can call it again

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

104. What if Skinner "Calls it" and the invective continues?

Does he then send Grovelbot to break some legs?

[BKH70041]

108. What if everyone just leaves Skinner alone?

I bet he'd give that suggestion two thumbs up.

[Warren DeMontague]

111. He already answered the question, in ATA. The primary is still going on.

Everyone should just calm down, and the people who can't wait to demand bans of everyone they don't like who has a Bernie avatar, are just gonna have to deal.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910112