Hey how's that Vatican trip looking now for Bernie??

[Gomez163]

Was it a good idea to leave in the middle of a campaign to go overseas??

[seabeyond]

1. It was embarrassing, not matter how they spin it. Every part of it. A huge fail. Nt

[workinclasszero]

31. Yup

Huge, embarrassing and bizarre fail.

[DetroitSocialist83]

2. Much better than Hillarys

Disastrous (Washington Post) general election numbers and FBI investigation! Thanks for asking!

[Gomez163]

3. Google Fitzmas

[Bobbie Jo]

15. heh

You read my mind.

Quit that.

[NurseJackie]

65. I found this ... is this what you're talking about?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fitzmas

"Fitzmas" is the atmosphere of excitement and anticipation preceding the conclusion of Patrick Fitzgerald's grand jury investigation into the Bush regime's treason and perjury.

My Fitzmas list has expanded from just Scooter and Rove; I secretly hope I get a Cheney indictment or resignation because I've been a very good boy this year.

That's a new one for me. But I can see how it could be used in a sentence to describe all the anticipation and hopes of Hillary being indicted.

Honestly ... those people are just weird.

[Ron Green]

4. Most people, maybe including you, don't see beyond politics

to understand that Bernie Sanders is the one presidential candidate who's willing to think and talk about a moral economy, just as the Pope has done.

People who post what you're posting here sound like Television.

[Smarmie Doofus]

6. +1. Oh yeah. nt

[Armstead]

10. Perfect Response

[KelleyD]

14. Comparing Bernie to the Pope is pandering and is sick, Sanders is a Politician...period.

[rbrnmw]

23. As someone who was raised Catholic

I thought it was pandering. Did John Kerry use the Pope when he was running? No you want to know why? Because it's disrespectful to put the Pope in that type of situation.

[CTyankee]

35. well, since the Vatican invited him, I can't see how Bernie embarrassed anybody.

[Buzz Clik]

54. You think that Bernie's primary motivation to go to the Vatican was to give a 10-minute talk?

An academic forum? Even though he'd never done anything even similar prior to running for President?

REALLY????!!!

[840high]

62. .+1

[Sheepshank]

64. Yet Bernie and his campaign phone bankers did politisize the visit

so lets not pretend there wasn't a political component to the visit.

[msongs]

5. well he got a free trip for a bunch of people and lived it up like the oligarch he really is.

sounds like a good thing after all

[DetroitSocialist83]

7. Oligarch?

You must be a highly medicated individual!

[Bucky]

8. It was just a couple of days out and he was working on the campaign the whole time

I think it was a smart move. It didn't win NY for him, but he wasn't in the lead before the trip. In fact, he did better than the pre-primary polling said he would. You can get touchdowns and still lose the game.

[snagglepuss]

9. No surprise Hillary won in the most politically corrupt state. It's electoral oversight ranked 49th

by the Center of Public Integrity. Abysmal F Grade. Nothing Bernie did could have changed shenanigans.



https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/11/09/18477/new-york-gets-d-grade-2015-state-integrity-investigation

[NanceGreggs]

16. And there goes NY under the bus ...

... just like clockwork.

And we all know that if Bernie had won NY, you would be dismissing the win as coming from a "corrupt" state - right?

[snagglepuss]

17. Do you have issues with the Center for Public Integrity?

[workinclasszero]

36. Its always something huh?

Its never because more democrats want Hillary over Sanders right?

[LanternWaste]

56. Every Clinton victory is due only to corruption, master-slave relationships and Stockholm Syndrome.

Every Clinton victory is due only to corruption, master-slave relationships and Stockholm Syndrome. I kinda wish you guys would invent a newer and more effective meme to recite-- the current ones are looking mentally incompetent, irrational and shrill.

[snagglepuss]

66. Did you even read the detailed study from the Center for Public Integrity?

It was done last year so no one can say it is biased. It shows that NY COMPLETELY FAILS protecting elections from political interference. Elsewhere on line are dozens of articles documenting how and why NY is so corrupt.

[blm]

11. This post is not necessary or helpful at this stage….

imo.

[cwydro]

12. Can't we leave this alone?

Ugly and unnecessary.

I'm a Hillary supporter. Just don't get this.

[Adrahil]

13. Inconsequential, IMO.

I don't think it mattered either way. I do not think the campaign should have paid for it, however. If it was a campaign event, it was crass. If not, it should not have been paid for with campaign funds.

[CTyankee]

38. the campign couldn't pay for it. that was settled days ago...

[jmg257]

18. Yes - it was a wonderful oppurtunity. Also had everyone speaking about his speak/meet

and contrasting it to Hill's fundraisers/stripper/corporate whore excursions.

Good stuff!

[Admiral Loinpresser]

19. Welcome to "full ignore." n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. Doing the right thing often carries a price.

[NurseJackie]

21. Well, Bernie and Jane will have some nice vacation snaps for their slide show,

... and holiday cards.

"Here we are getting on the plane to fly to Rome."

"And here were are eating lobster on the plane"

"This one is where Bernie snubs Professor Margaret Archer. Oh you all remember her, she's the President of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences."

"And here's Bernie waiting in the foyer."

"And here we are in the Vatican gift shop looking for souvenir postcards with photos of the Pontiff."

[brooklynite]

25. In fairness, they probably didn't serve dinner on the outbound flight (it left after midnight)

For breakfast in Delta First Class (they chartered a Delta 767) probably an egg dish or french toast and fruit



For dinner on the return flight, probably a choice of chicken, beef, a vegetarian pasta dish (nb - Alitalia is better) or a cold platter



Choice of three whites and three reds

And of course, the lie flat seats

[ViseGrip]

30. Do you have pics of the Clooney food?

[brooklynite]

22. Pennsylvania Catholic voters: 57% Clinton - 21% Sanders

[rbrnmw]

24. Because Catholics know how disrespectful it was to the Pope.

He shouldn't have tried to drag the Pope into it. I even think it was fine he shook his hand. The press conference was not necessary.

[polly7]

26. It was inspirational.

He's worked for the causes discussed at that conference for a long time, and meeting the people he did and getting to share and learn from was probably a great achievement personally, as well as being appreciated by many glad to see so much actual real concern.

The planet is in trouble ......... some people care.

[alcina]

32. Well said, polly7

He indeed has real concern for this country and this planet. Unfortunately, a lot of people are so completely jaded and pessimistic that they can't help but see this as a cynical self-promoting tactic. After all, that's how "real" politicians "win," isn't it?

[polly7]

37. That seems to be the mindset for many ..... I really hope they don't believe it themselves

though, and it's just part of the game they're playing. If many do think this way, we're all *'ed.

[salinsky]

27. Given the choice ...

... I'd rather party with Clooney than wait in a lobby at 4am to shake hands with the Pope.

But, that's just me.

[redstateblues]

28. The Hail Mary Papal Ambush gambit did not win NY like Bernie thought it would

Anyone who thinks that wasn't a political move is very naive. I wonder what else he's got up his sleeves

[longship]

42. Just stop this shit!

See my response below.

[Demsrule86]

58. Nor did the last minute primary surprise lawsuit

Where he called Clinton and down ballot Democrats criminals.

[ViseGrip]

29. Around the world, it was great. only here was it reported and perceived by you in this way.

Keep it up....when you're alone with Hillary and Trump is trouncing her, I'll come back and ask you, how's it working out for you?

Now, why do you keep this bashing up? Hillary hates it....just thought I'd leave it here and leave. She hates reading your shit....she is not as mean as you are. She knows you're chasing volunteers away. Gomez123. My, you're so politically astute! NOT.

[CorkySt.Clair]

33. He'll always have Rome

[redwitch]

46. Enough already with the assholish behavior.

Seriously, you are making DU suck and that is not a good thing.

[B Calm]

34. Condescending remarks make you feel superior?

[Orsino]

39. More childish condescension and gloating, please.

There hasn't been nearly enough of either here.

[longship]

40. You guys just don't stop, do you?

First it was a little finch that put you all on your fainting couches. Then -- HORRORS! -- a Vatican visit about which you all told lie after lie, all falsified.

Hillary Clinton may very well win the Democratic presidential nomination. However, I ask you this. How in the Sam Hell are you going to repair the damage that her campaign and her followers have done?

And yet, you keep doubling down.

Pitiful. Absolutely pitiful. It is a despicable thing to do. Rovian!

Who is going to be left to vote for your precious in November after you've utterly pissed off the only allies you have? Unlike Bernie, she has next to no support from independents. How does she even win?

Well, don't cry to me. I will vote for Hillary if she gets the nod. But it will be the most difficult vote of my life. Let that sink into your thick skulls for a while.

And please stop this rubbish. JUST STOP!

[Orrex]

60. Tell us exactly what damage her followers have done. Please be specific.

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I know of only one or two Clinton supporters who've claimed that they won't vote for Sanders if he makes it to the ballot. Contrast that with the dozens and dozens of Sanders' supporters who not only won't support her; they can scarcely fight back the vomit at the mere thought of voting for her.

She represents the absolute worst of the Democratic party, they say.
She's Republican-light, they say.
She'll continue all the bad things that Obama's been doing, they say.
She'll hand the country to Wall Street, they say.
etc.

Those frothing, hyperbolic voters sure as shit weren't driven away from Clinton by her supporters' mean ol' posts. They'd locked themselves into full-bore disgust many months ago, and they've never stopped to reconsider.


It's adorable that you think you have any authority or credibility to tell anyone to "JUST STOP!" when there's a daily torrent of raw hatred spewing forth unabated from the Sanders camp. Why not lead by example and tell your fellow Berners to "JUST STOP!" instead?

[redstateblues]

61. When BSS stop attacking and lying about Hillary I'll stop pointing out Bernie's weaknesses

If Bernie somehow wins the nomination I will vote for him as well. Hopefully after next week things will calm down. I am glad Bernie has run and I think he has done some good things

[cherokeeprogressive]

41. It's looking pretty much like a trip a Senator took after being invited to speak at a conference.

Is there anything else it should look like?

[Lazy Daisy]

43. Yes it was

He got to experience something rare and have lifetime memories. Worth every second away from the campaign.

[redwitch]

44. Posts like this are making DU suck.

Atta boy.

[morningfog]

45. Stupid ass flame bait trolly OP. Get over you bizarre obsession.

[Gomez163]

49. Im Catholic. What obsession do you mean?

[morningfog]

52. So the fuck what? Don't play dumb.

[redwitch]

55. Not a very good one. nt

[Gomez163]

59. The worst

[MisterP]

47. why are Clinton's big wins always in states under the VRA or quickly followed by city, state,

and federal investigations for voting fraud?

[Orrex]

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[Bjornsdotter]

50. Not everything is about the US elections

....get over yourself. There's a big world out there and the US and their issues are a small part.

Yes, on the global stage it was worth it and I am proud that monies I donated helped him get there.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. It made him happy and I have no problem with it.

[LanternWaste]

53. The rehabilitation of the Pope on DU from anti-gay to progressive was dramatic...

The rehabilitation of the Pope on DU from anti-gay to progressive was dramatic... all it took was one visit to Rome by Sanders. How blessed.

[Marr]

57. In the past few days, I've been repeatedly reminded of a chapter in Bob Altemeyer's

The Authoritarians, where he describes one of the defining traits of an authoritarian follower.

Essentially, it was that they're the first to kick someone when they're vulnerable. They're the ones who will punch children if the crowd will allow it, or beat up protestors in wheelchairs. They have this ugly little element to their personality that makes them desperately want to hurt someone, but they also tend to be cowards. Sad combination.

It's probably why they instinctively side with authority.

[angrychair]

63. From a real classy person there Gomez

Saying things like "obummercare". We can see your transparency tab.
Stay classy, big tent and all....

[Gomez163]

68. I was being ironic and I forgot irony is dead on this website.

[angrychair]

69. I get it

I'm not perfect either. The point is to admit when you went to far. That sometimes what sounds great in your head should stay there, because it's never going to look right in print.

[liberalnarb]

67. Yes, it was a good idea.

[Dem2]

70. Who cares?

This story was stupid from the beginning, trashing hundreds of stupid threads on this dumb topic was a lot of work!