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Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:15 AM

VP Joe Biden is Feeling The Bern!

Vice President Biden Praises Sanders Campaign: "I Like The Idea Of Saying We Can Do Much More

Vice President Joe Biden might be officially neutral between the Clinton and Sanders campaigns. But he certainly isn’t neutral about the contrast between their campaign styles.

From The New York Times...

“I like the idea of saying, ‘We can do much more,’ because we can,” Mr. Biden said in an interview on the Washington-to-Wilmington, Del., Amtrak train he has ridden throughout four decades in national politics.

“I don’t think any Democrat’s ever won saying, ‘We can’t think that big — we ought to really downsize here because it’s not realistic,’ ” he said in a mocking tone. “C’mon man, this is the Democratic Party! I’m not part of the party that says, ‘Well, we can’t do it.’ ”

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he likes the idea that Mr. Sanders is aiming high, regardless of whether the large steps he envisions to narrow income inequality and broaden economic opportunity become realized in the next presidential term. The philosophy Mr. Biden has advocated within the Obama White House: Push for a lot, and persevere over the long run.

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“Presidents have always been told by really smart people: ‘Don’t push something that you can’t succeed in — it diminishes your power,’ ” he said. “I completely disagree with that proposition.”


Now, now Joe, people might call you a dreamer or an idealist or one of those nasty, 'socialist' people who think we should have what other countries have, or something! Lol!

It's hard not to when Bernie makes so much sense. Thanks Joe, this is not the first time Biden has done this. A few months ago he told a bunch of young people to 'vote for Bernie, he's a good man'. Wrote an OP about here airc. And on another occasion told another group of young people that Bernie is right about the money in politics and they needed to make that their #1 issue.

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Reply VP Joe Biden is Feeling The Bern! (Original post)
sabrina 1 Apr 2016 OP
notadmblnd Apr 2016 #1
sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #4
notadmblnd Apr 2016 #9
sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #21
notadmblnd Apr 2016 #37
BillZBubb Apr 2016 #2
UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #3
senz Apr 2016 #7
Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #12
senz Apr 2016 #13
Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #17
Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #28
senz Apr 2016 #33
Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #30
DJ13 Apr 2016 #5
tularetom Apr 2016 #6
sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #8
senz Apr 2016 #10
eastwestdem Apr 2016 #11
sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #15
djean111 Apr 2016 #14
sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #16
djean111 Apr 2016 #35
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #18
sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #19
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #20
libdem4life Apr 2016 #22
sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #23
sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #25
libdem4life Apr 2016 #27
NuclearDem Apr 2016 #24
sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #26
Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #29
sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #31
djean111 Apr 2016 #36
appalachiablue May 2016 #40
Kalidurga Apr 2016 #32
AzDar Apr 2016 #34
DrDan Apr 2016 #38
NCTraveler Apr 2016 #39

Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:18 AM

1. That one just has to hurt.

Big owie, gonna leave a mark.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:23 AM

4. Well, he knows the score. He told a group of young people a few months ago, and he sounded almost

desperate for them to 'get it' that Money in Politics has to be the #1 issue for them because, he said, 'if we don't deal with that nothing else can be done'. He also said that even the best intentioned people, like himself, told them even if you like me, trust me, the money in politics has a bad effect on everyone'.

Bernie has made that his #1 issue because it IS in most polls, the #1 issue for a majority of Americans. I'm sure Joe could tell tales about votes he has cast, many of them disappointing, which is how I took what he was telling those young people.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:30 AM

9. Rare that a politician doesn't sell his soul

the pressure to has go to be nearly impossible to give into. I believe that is why Bernie is so popular. People appreciate his frankness and integrity.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:24 AM

21. Yes, that is more or less what he said. It sounded as if he was telling them 'don't even trust me'

Well we know he has voted against the interests of the people several times. But I got the feeling he admired Bernie for not being compromised 'like everyone who takes corporate money' is. Bernie is a very rare politician.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:34 AM

37. MSHRC this morning reporting that Joe praising Sander's campaign

might actually help Sanders.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:19 AM

2. What took you so long, Joe?

Of course Bernie is right and Hillary is wrong. That's so obvious to all but the Hillbots.

We aren't the party of "no we can't". Or at least we never were until now when half the party has accepted such loser talk as an asset.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:22 AM

3. Joe seems like he REALLY can't stand the Clintons

 

What is the history there? It was obvious in his Rose Garden announcement when he said he wasn't going to run that he fired some shots at Hillary. He's had President Obama's in everything. Is it the bitterness of the '08 campaign or does it run deeper?

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Response to UMTerp01 (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:29 AM

7. Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall in the Oval Office?

 

For ages, I've sensed that Hill is not beloved around there.

We know things that make us sick.

I'll bet they know more.

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Response to senz (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:39 AM

12. I think the party apparatchiks shoved him aside to make way for Hillary

The last time a Democratic Vice President didn't eventually get a shot at the presidency on the Democratic Party ticket was when Henry Wallace was dumped in favor of Harry Truman in 1944. So that's gotta hurt.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:57 AM

13. Surely they know her baggage. Huge, bulky, ugly baggage.

 

What she and Bill have going for them, imo, is corporate funding and a resulting fortune, a reputation for dirty politicking, a hit list with enough vindictiveness to strike fear in the hearts of establishment Democrats, and some powerful "friends" all over the world as a result of things they do with the "Clinton Foundation."

Plus, did you see this? http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/

If the party apparatchiks shoved Biden aside, it was because she intimidated them.

Given all that, there has to be some serious resentment against the Clintons. They suck all the air out of the room. A lot of people would breathe easier if that family got out of the picture.

That's how it looks to me.

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Response to senz (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:17 AM

17. I just read that Counterpunch article

And it sounds like those states are getting sucker-punched in the deal.

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Response to senz (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:57 AM

28. That's a heck of a read, senz, good catch.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:39 AM

33. Yes, it's information that should be more widely known.

 

And Margot Kidder is a good writer. She and Susan Sarandon are pretty amazing, both beautiful older actresses, both politically aware and outspoken.

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Response to UMTerp01 (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:48 AM

30. It's weird. He's been a big proponent of the drug war, so you'd think Debbie Schultz would like him

I mean, his record on voting to send pot smokers to prison is almost as good as hers.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:23 AM

5. “I don’t think any Democrat’s ever won saying, ‘We can’t think that big.. it’s not realistic"

...........until now.

This is the "timid" generation, afraid of their own shadow.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:26 AM

6. Why didn't he talk like that all along?

I'd be willing to forget about Clarence Thomas and the bankruptcy bill and support him.

Somehow I get the impression he doesn't like the Clintons very much. And he doesn't appear intimidated like his boss.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:30 AM

8. Actually he has, I posted about his other remarks, telling young people to 'vote for Bernie he's a

good man' eg, a few months ago. They are in my journal. Not sure why he has made so many such remarks, but it could be that he just doesn't like the Clintons, who knows.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:30 AM

10. Maybe something has happened to embolden him.

 

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Response to tularetom (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:33 AM

11. I think the DNC brought out the big guns to start unifying the party. If we can like and trust Biden

 

as one of us, we will be more likely to follow him when he leads us back to the party during the General Election.

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Response to eastwestdem (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:12 AM

15. If that's what they think, that we would do something against what we believe because someone

we respect asked us to, they are way out of touch with people who actually have principles. Well, actually most of them are.

Biden has been saying good things about Bernie, like telling some young people to 'vote for Bernie he's a good man' for months now. This is just the latest.

For the record, even if Bernie asked me to vote against my conscience, it would have no affect on my decision. I support him because of his long record on the issues. I don't support right wing policies and never will, no matter who asks me to do so. They better change those tactics, most people know feel the same way.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:01 AM

14. Or he is pandering, trying to endear himself to Bernie's supporters, in case Hillary gets

 

indicted or something like that. And he gets a shot at the nomination.

Biden is, ya know, a corporate tool.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:15 AM

16. Could be, but he would be wrong to assume we are that easily manipulated. As I said before in this

thread he has been saying very complimentary things about Bernie for months now. Told some people to 'vote for Bernie' because 'he's a good man' several months ago. Maybe he doesn't like Clinton and is afraid she will undo some of the work he and Obama have done, eg, on Iran. He knows Bernie will not go the neocon route of more war.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:48 AM

35. I hope you are right, that does make sense.

 

But I do think that it is still assumed in the White House, in Hillary's campaign, in the DNC, that we are just momentarily infatuated with a "fringe" candidate, and that we will happily be herded into the HRC chute, eventually. Because we love war and fracking and the TPP, etc., we were just having a moment.

After all, Hillary's going to spend a rather large sum of money answering all those meanies, one by one, on teh internets. That'll work. Yup.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:18 AM

18. I posted another version of this story

 

and it is humorous. Some folks actually believe he will run as a last chance if HRC did step down for whatever reason.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:21 AM

19. He's been saying things like this for months about Bernie. I've posted other comments in OPs he made

to young Bernie supporters several months ago, telling them to 'vote for Bernie' and to another group, 'Bernie is right about the money in politics' telling they must make it the #1 Issue in this campaign etc. So my guess is he doesn't trust Hillary and her neocon backers to not undo Obama's work with Iran eg.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:23 AM

20. I know

 

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:26 AM

22. I watched the video about all of her history.

 

I had no idea how deep, nefarious and totally disgusting her past. In fact, I didn't even finish it.

We're totally screwed. It's not like this is a secret...the Republicans will have a field day. The Independents won't buy her candidacy either. All because this was pre arranged. Then along came Bernie.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:34 AM

23. WE have to fight hard against the corruption. They are planning to do in RI eg, what they did here

NY and we have to start flooding the NY State AG demanding that the hundreds of thousands of voters here who were deprived of their rights MUST be allowed to vote. Their feeble response to what they KNOW was election fraud, are not good enough.

This is happening all over, and the more Bernie wins, as he has been doing, the more desperate they are.

They just suspended the woman they are claiming is responsible for what happened in Brooklyn, but the NY Post is calling it an attempt to let the main culprit, the Dem, off the hook.

We in NY never thought they would let Bernie win here. It's interesting that the worse voter purging took place in his home town.

People here are livid and not just Bernie supporters.

He will win this IF the people fight back against their dirty tricks and election fraud.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:41 AM

25. The long primary has helped expose so much as it should. In 2008 I had no idea of all that

know now. I was an Obama supporter but would have been okay with either one. That is not the case anymore. I thought I was informed, it's embarrassing to learn how little I did know about the Clintons, mainly due to the awful right wing attacks, a lot of people didn't look closely at them.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:47 AM

27. I just felt the sleaze. Now I can't unsee and unhear that damming research.

 

Makes some of the more nefarious issues even more so. Shocking.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:35 AM

24. So, how's that Bernie Sanders winning all fifty states working out for you, sabrina?

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #24)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:47 AM

26. Polls, polls. I'm thrilled though with all the states he is winning and by double digit numbers

in so many of them, and without any of the election fraud we're seeing in states like Az, Iowa and NY. He won eight states in a row over the past few weeks, and flipped two more. Amazing for the guy I believe YOU said wouldn't last past last summer.

He's won 19 states so far, and Hillary is far from clinching the nomination. Very exciting to see democracy in action don't you think?

Just goes to show you, Bernie all the way to the Convention and beyond. My district in NY overwhelmingly voted for him so did all the surrounding dists here.

Now we have to get the hundreds of thousands of NYers who were purged from the rolls, to be provided with a date so that they can exercise their right to vote here in NY.

Just saw they suspended one woman from Brooklyn, though apparently NY papers are saying she should not be the only one. Lots of corruption apparently going on in NY, but then we expected it in the densely populated areas where it's easier to do.

Thanks for asking, I'm so thrilled with this primary, it's been a blast so far, and going to get better.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:22 AM

29. He is waiting in the wings.....

No, I have not read the comments because I am replying to the host. I don't trust him as far as I can throw my house. We are saddled with student debt.

And if my spouse who acquired the debt (tripled since the origination) for a PhD in physics (and no jobs available) cannot pay it off (age is 60) we lose our house. If I survive my spouse I am saddled with the student debt and I lose my house.) No, I did not co-sign.

Thanks, Joe Biden for fucking over everyone who took out a student loan with the promise and reward (carrot and stick) of working their asses off to get a higher education for a better future and getting screwed by your banker friends.

He is as insincere as it gets. He is waiting for the fallout of the 'email gate' to happen. He is no friend of mine.



http://www.ibtimes.com/joe-biden-backed-bills-make-it-harder-americans-reduce-their-student-debt-2094664

Jennifer Ryan did not love the idea of taking on debt, but she figured she was investing in her future. Eager to further her teaching career, she took out loans to gain certification and later pursued an advanced degree. But her studies came at a massive cost, leaving her confronting $192,000 in student loan debt.




“It’s overwhelming,” Ryan told International Business Times of her debts. “I can’t pay it back on the schedule the lenders have demanded."

In the past, debtors in her position could have used bankruptcy court to shield them from some of their creditors. But a provision slipped into federal law in 2005 effectively bars most Americans from accessing bankruptcy protections for their private student loans.

In recent months, Democrats have touted legislation to roll back that law, as Americans now face more than $1.2 trillion in total outstanding debt from their government and private student loans. The bill is a crucial component of the party’s pro-middle-class economic message heading into 2016. Yet one of the lawmakers most responsible for limiting the legal options of Ryan and students like her is the man who some Democrats hope will be their party's standard-bearer in 2016: Vice President Joe Biden.

As a senator from Delaware -- a corporate tax haven where the financial industry is one of the state’s largest employers -- Biden was one of the key proponents of the 2005 legislation that is now bearing down on students like Ryan. That bill effectively prevents the $150 billion worth of private student debt from being discharged, rescheduled or renegotiated as other debt can be in bankruptcy court.

Biden's efforts in 2005 were no anomaly. Though the vice president has long portrayed himself as a champion of the struggling middle class -- a man who famously commutes on Amtrak and mixes enthusiastically with blue-collar workers -- the Delaware lawmaker has played a consistent and pivotal role in the financial industry's four-decade campaign to make it harder for students to shield themselves and their families from creditors, according to an IBT review of bankruptcy legislation going back to the 1970s.

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Response to Land of Enchantment (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:03 AM

31. It could be, but what does he expect to gain by praising Sanders? There is no way I would

support him mainly because of some of the bills he has voted for. Not to mention the many times throughout the Bush era where he would appear on TV before a critical vote, talk like he was going to vote against it, give people hope that the Dems were actually going to FIGHT, then go in and vote FOR it. I got so used to him doing that sort of thing, I ignored him after a while.

However, my feeling is he is proud of the work eg, Iran, the Peace Deal, he and Obama have done. And he knows that if she were to win the WH, her neocon friends will change all that.

But who knows, however if he thinks he will win over Bernie supporters, we are way too aware of all of them and as he himself admitted, how the money they took influenced how they voted.

I am really sorry for what happened to your spouse. They have really hurt people with their neo-liberal policies, why Bernie Sanders must win this election. He is the only one we can trust to at least FIGHT for the people.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #31)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:53 AM

36. None of them think we are very serious, you know.

 

And I think Biden just wants to appear to be the good guy, the guy who likes Bernie, and sees how much Hillary is disliked. So - saying nice little things all along is, IMO, supposed to be the spoonful of sugar that helps the medicine go down. I doubt he thinks we all really understand his role in student debt, for instance. He thinks we think he is just Joe, the fun guy to perhaps have a beer with.

My cynicism, at this point, has no boundaries.

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Response to Land of Enchantment (Reply #29)

Mon May 9, 2016, 11:59 PM

40. Rec the post.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:37 AM

32. "Hello Joe, what do you know?"

Or are you just hedging a bet?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:13 AM

34. K & R

 

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:32 AM

38. well . . . who's running around whining "we can't possibly win the GE with Hillary"

who has no confidence in winning down-ticket contests with Hillary at the top.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:33 AM

39. Preach it Joe. Love it. nt.

 

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