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Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:48 AM Apr 2016

Trump has been putting on an act, in the General Election campaign he will become very reasonable

and appealing, and I guarantee the mainstream media will largely forget what a horrible ass he was during the primaries.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a44254/trump-strategy-cynical/

He can appeal to a lot of voters in a way that Hillary will have trouble with; Trump can actually outflank Hillary on the left on some issues (trade, foreign policy, even healthcare).

And what, Hillary will move even more to the right then?

This is a real worry.



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Trump has been putting on an act, in the General Election campaign he will become very reasonable (Original Post) Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 OP
Trump will lose the majority of minority and female voters. sufrommich Apr 2016 #1
Not quite. Those blocks are the Democratic base. They always go Democratic. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #19
It'll be up to Hillary to make sure he's not reasonable at all republicans should be held accountabl uponit7771 Apr 2016 #2
And that's all the General will boil down to....Forget real issues Armstead Apr 2016 #6
Yeap, they made it that easy for the dem candidate uponit7771 Apr 2016 #10
That's depressing....And then after the GE we get back to the same old, same old Armstead Apr 2016 #12
We'll see, Sanders will continue his revolution with a dem candidate and GOTV in off years for uponit7771 Apr 2016 #14
The White House sets the tone for the party and the nation Armstead Apr 2016 #17
When Sanders gets America an 80% dem congress, like FDR had, then the president wont set the uponit7771 Apr 2016 #24
I appreciate your attempt to see the bright side, but to be honest..... Armstead Apr 2016 #31
That I'll believe it when I see it, that's the part I don't accept as truth... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #51
exactly-- it will be so freaking tedious Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #3
Listening to some millennials - that's exactly what is going to happen. djean111 Apr 2016 #4
I'm a millennial, and I literally know nobody who is even thinking of supporting Trump... MadBadger Apr 2016 #7
I guarantee the media will not forget onenote Apr 2016 #5
This seems unreasonably naive to me mikehiggins Apr 2016 #11
Actually I think you are the one who is naively onenote Apr 2016 #45
where have you been? The MSM always LOVES to play the both sides game, no matter Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #25
Hillary will be occupied defending her past actions TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #8
Yup DetroitSocialist83 Apr 2016 #9
Hillary will win a landslide victory. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #13
Dream on. Hillary will be lucky to pull out a win. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #21
You dream on. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #23
There's a a lot of African Americans, Latinos, Asians, Republican businesswomen... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #29
Hillary will win runaway hero Apr 2016 #57
Hillary's campaign has the gift of hundreds of Trump sound bytes. The material that they have by Trust Buster Apr 2016 #15
Oh boy...forget those pesky issues Armstead Apr 2016 #20
And trump has the gift of Hillary's bad decisions, the FBI investigation and unpopularity. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #26
Apples and Oranges that a Sanders supporter has no clue about. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #32
Geez, talk about clueless. Hillary needs MORE than the Democratic base. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #42
You assume that many of the same independent voters that would support Bernie will support Trump? onenote Apr 2016 #46
Trump is already to the left of Hillary on: Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #16
Sure, because carpet bombing the middle east and increasing the use of torture are "left" policies. onenote Apr 2016 #48
Two points and they are yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggggggggeeeeeeeeeeee DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #22
He's also an awful debater. grossproffit Apr 2016 #27
Awful debater but excellent at insulting people. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #36
Trump doesn't need to be exciting in the GE, he just needs to sound more reasonable than Hillary Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #28
How is gong to sound more reasonable than Hillary? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #34
so they admit he lies about >> everything << artyteacher Apr 2016 #30
Every politician plays to the party's base in the primaries. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #43
to be clear, I'm not saying Hillary will lose, I'm just saying it may be a lot closer than Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #33
I think we have to go forward with this assumption. Squinch Apr 2016 #37
THIS is what ALL of our energy should be going into. Squinch Apr 2016 #35
Some things can't be unsaid. Bleacher Creature Apr 2016 #38
The election will be decided by independent voters. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #39
The media loves to label people as flip floppers. It ties Trump's hands onenote Apr 2016 #50
If only technology gave access to everything he said during the primary. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #40
except that we have video of Republicans saying all kinds of crazy shit and they are still in power Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #41
Advertisements are great for that. Romney and McCain lost due to things they said. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #44
Trump will rip Hillary a new one. 99Forever Apr 2016 #47
yep... Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #54
That is possible it is also possible that if he is nominee he will wait until the last minute azurnoir Apr 2016 #49
The joke about forgetting that the things a person says are recorded comes to mind Dem2 Apr 2016 #52
I agree. Anyone who watched The Apprentice should be able to see that side of him. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #53
When I watch his rallies, I think of him as a stand-up comedian in the tradition of Don Rickles Califonz Apr 2016 #55
You could very well be right about that. Only time and chance will tell. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #56

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
1. Trump will lose the majority of minority and female voters.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:51 AM
Apr 2016

There's a treasure trove of insulting,negative remarks he's made publicly about both of those groups. How does he win a general election without them?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
19. Not quite. Those blocks are the Democratic base. They always go Democratic.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:25 AM
Apr 2016

To win the presidency, you have to win the independent vote. Sadly, trump will beat Hillary among independents, and that's where the race will be won.

Trump has more than enough ammunition against Hillary, who is highly unpopular among independents, to counter any attacks she might bring.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
2. It'll be up to Hillary to make sure he's not reasonable at all republicans should be held accountabl
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:52 AM
Apr 2016

... for what they say during primaries to their rabid bases.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
6. And that's all the General will boil down to....Forget real issues
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:56 AM
Apr 2016

Clinton Good, Trump bad.

Dems Good, GOP bad.

Not much else beyond the same old stuff, except a few carefully market tested micro issues.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
12. That's depressing....And then after the GE we get back to the same old, same old
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:11 AM
Apr 2016

Gridlock, no big ideas or goals....just hold the fort and let the Wealthy and Powerful to keep buying up government, while the poor and average Americans keep getting the shaft.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
14. We'll see, Sanders will continue his revolution with a dem candidate and GOTV in off years for
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:13 AM
Apr 2016

... congressional seats.

The revolution doesn't start in the White house

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
17. The White House sets the tone for the party and the nation
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016

More tepid nothingness in positions, and actions that screw the working class and the poor will nhot generate the enthusiasm necessary to change Congress....And if the Congress is just Dems who are also phonies, who cares?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511812440



Sorry but I have seen so many overt and hidden example of that corruption by "centrist Democrats" that range from "tweaks" to legislation and policy that -- surprise -- benefit Big Bidness over the majority of average people to more blatant things like Bank Deregulation, the secretive "free trade" scams...etc.

And these peopel we are told to believe in go through the Golden Door after selling us out.

Just one example. remember Dick Gephardt, former Democratic Leader who drove Democratic policy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Gephardt#Activities_since_leaving_Congress

Since his retirement from politics, Gephardt has become a significant lobbyist. He founded a Washington-based public affairs firm, Gephardt Government Affairs, and an Atlanta-based labor consultancy, the Gephardt Group, as well as consulting for DLA Piper, FTI Consulting and Goldman Sachs.[2]

Since 2007, Gephardt began serving on the advisory board of the Extend Health insurance company, and then became a member of its board of directors. In 2009, Gephardt advised UnitedHealth Group, one of America's largest private insurers, in waging a strong campaign against a public option for national health care.[31]

Gephardt has also been significantly involved with the pharmaceutical industry. In addition to a large lobbying contract with the Medicines Company,[33] Gephardt serves as chair of the Council for American Medical Innovation (CAMI), formed by and affiliated with PhRMA. In this capacity he hired his own firm to lobby for the organization, to push to extend patents and block generic drugs from the market.[34]

Gephardt has also served as a lobbyist for Boeing.[35] He is a labor consultant for Spirit Aerosystems and sits on its board of directors.[36] In these roles, Gephardt has presided over an aggressive anti-union campaign that has bewildered many of his traditional political allies. In July 2011, Spirit Aerosystems walked out of negotiations with the union that represents its engineering, technical and professional workforce.[37] The union subsequently voted the company's last contract offer receiving a 96.5% rejection vote. The company did not change its contract offer significantly after this rejection and relations with its workforce have been contentious ever since. With negotiations at a standstill, production schedules for 2011 and 2012 are threatened.[38][39]



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Auction 2012: For-Profit Colleges Win When Lobbying Blitz Weakens Regs

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/03/auction-2012-education-for-profit-colleges_n_1251072.html

Data showed that for-profit colleges accounted for nearly half of the defaults on federal student loans, despite educating only about 10 percent of the nation’s college students.

Beginning in 2010, the administration announced a broad package of new regulations that would crack down on programs that leave students with outsized debt and few career prospects. But a year later, those rules had been substantially weakened, following a $13 million lobbying blitz by the colleges aided by some of Washington’s most powerful Democratic influence peddlers.

“Big money won, and students lost,” said Amy Wilkins, vice president of government affairs at the Education Trust, a student advocacy group. “The really eye-popping profits of the industry allowed them to plow huge money into lobbying against a strong regulation.”

The well-coordinated lobbying and public relations campaign, targeted largely at Democrats, was an effort to protect the industry’s access to more than $30 billion in federal student loans and grants that fuel the vast majority of its revenues. Some of the largest higher education corporations receive more than 85 percent of their revenue from federal student aid dollars.

Among the all-star cast of lobbyists hired by the industry: former Democratic House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt; Tony Podesta, one of the most prominent lobbyists in Washington and the brother of John Podesta, who led President Barack Obama’s transition team; and Penny Lee, a former top adviser to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) who was also a senior staff member for the Democratic National Committee. In total, 14 former members of Congress were hired by the industry to fight regulations that would have cut federal aid to programs in which students fared poorly.

During a hearing on for-profit colleges last year, Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), chairman of the Senate education committee, called the lobbying effort “one of the most intense I’ve seen in my 32 years here, which tells me that there’s a lot of money at stake.”

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
24. When Sanders gets America an 80% dem congress, like FDR had, then the president wont set the
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016

... tone it will be technically the Speaker of the House who is the 3rd in line for the presidency and can forward laws that are veto proof.

Votes > tone by far

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
31. I appreciate your attempt to see the bright side, but to be honest.....
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:32 AM
Apr 2016

If Sanders/The Movement he represents actually try that the Democratic Corporate Wall St. Establishment will come down like a hammer just like they did to Sanders in the primary.

The culture of Big Bucks for Public Office as noted in the illustration above, is not going to change as long as this corruption runs the party

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
51. That I'll believe it when I see it, that's the part I don't accept as truth...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:12 PM
Apr 2016

... Sanders advisers paid little to no attention to 08 election when Obama went to the "deep south" states and grabbed all the delegates he could and held on to a lead.

Sanders on the other hand did nearly the opposite with little to no ties to the demographics in the deep south other than people who have been bashing Obama too.

Those are facts that for the most part are not in dispute

ClintonObama in 08 was no fluke and SandersClinton in 16 proved the base of the DNC has no doubt changed to mostly minority women as a huge chunk.

Once that group is grabbed in the 60 and 70% range in closed primary's its a nearly a lock.

I've seen little to no outreach to the new DNC base especially in the off years.

Sanders has a chance to GOTV in those states with outreach on the local level...

We'll see, I don't think his movement ends with his presidential bid

Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
4. Listening to some millennials - that's exactly what is going to happen.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:54 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary is just more of the same stuff that is affecting them now. All she realistically offers is more of the same. TPP, student debt, etc. And, I guess, now she is offering the opportunity to give her money. FFS.

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
7. I'm a millennial, and I literally know nobody who is even thinking of supporting Trump...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:59 AM
Apr 2016

Who isnt a Republican already supporting him.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
5. I guarantee the media will not forget
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:54 AM
Apr 2016

And neither will the disabled, women, gays, and the many others he has insulted, ridiculed and threatened during the campaign.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
11. This seems unreasonably naive to me
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:05 AM
Apr 2016

Huge numbers of voters rely on the Nightly News kind of show for their information. IMHO, many of those people, some of whom will vote, do not believe what the media says about Trump. They will see the spectacle and the three-rings and go with the program.

The reality of Trump is that he is in over his head BUT that he will, if anyone can, come out on top.

He just has to make the best deal with the general U.S. population which is pretty much easier by far when you have no core principles to hold you back.

And he will be running against Hillary whose invulnerability and toughness seem more a media creation than he does.

In truth, she has been unable to put away an old, largely unknown Senator from a state known for... what? He has eaten up her time, her finances and opened the book on her ties to Wall Street.

This does not sound like a definition of a "strong" candidate.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
45. Actually I think you are the one who is naively
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:50 PM
Apr 2016

analyzing the situation through agenda-tinted glasses.

A cold-hearted look at the facts is this:

Virtually every mainstream publication has editorialized against Trump. Many of those same papers endorsed Clinton over Sanders. They aren't going to reverse themselves and conclude Trump is the better choice or even that its a toss-up. They will endorse Clinton (again, this is assuming she is the nominee) over Trump (assuming he is the nominee).

As for television, the nightly news shows will show clips of Trump saying whatever Trump says during the GE campaign. But if what he says contradicts what he said during the primary campaign, the media will pounce on his "flip-flopping". In addition the airwaves will be filled with ads showing Trump's most outrageous moments and quoting his repub opponents numerous statements about how dangerous, unqualified, etc he is. Former cabinet officials and military officials from both parties will be shown condemning him and all but begging people not to vote for someone who is scaring the beejubus out of our allies and helping ISIS with recruiting by claiming that he'd carpet-bomb the middle east and target families.

Most significantly, there will be debates and in those debates, Trump will be confronted with the positions he took during the primary: building a wall, rounding up and deporting 11 million immigrants, barring entry to all Muslims, and so on. And he will be stuck with three bad options: stick to his earlier positions, thus undermining whatever "move to the middle" strategy you think he's got; recant his earlier position, reinforcing the flip-flop label and alienating his core supporters who like those crazy positions; or (and this is most likely, imo), attack the questioner and the media in general, which will satisfy his supporters, but will enrage the media, which sticks up for its own (note how the media in general defended Megyn Kelly).

If as many think Clinton is the favorite daughter of the establishment, in the end the media will do what they can to take down Trump and Trumpism.

That, my friend, is an anything but naive assessment of a Trump-Clinton race.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
25. where have you been? The MSM always LOVES to play the both sides game, no matter
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016

how terrible they are. The MSM, consistently over the past 25 years, gives undue deference to the GOP. Books have been written about this. The media is not our friend.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,161 posts)
8. Hillary will be occupied defending her past actions
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:00 AM
Apr 2016

If Donald Trump softens his bluster, she will have a real problem as the Democratic nominee.

 

DetroitSocialist83

(169 posts)
9. Yup
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

On Bill Maher last night, Van Jones said trumps disapproval with African Americans was 70%. Even if trump were to win 15% of them, the election is his.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
29. There's a a lot of African Americans, Latinos, Asians, Republican businesswomen...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:31 AM
Apr 2016

There's a a lot of African Americans, Latinos, Asians, Republican businesswomen and sensible progressive who will rally to her candidacy. This will more than mitigate the effects of a few disgruntled brogressives who choose to stay home or vote third party.

runaway hero

(835 posts)
57. Hillary will win
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:01 AM
Apr 2016

Not a Landslide. Trump can win in areas Cruz won't. It will not be a walk in the park.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
15. Hillary's campaign has the gift of hundreds of Trump sound bytes. The material that they have by
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:14 AM
Apr 2016

which to put together negative ads on Trump are endless.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
26. And trump has the gift of Hillary's bad decisions, the FBI investigation and unpopularity.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:29 AM
Apr 2016

I wouldn't brag about how many negative ads either side could bring, because they both will not run out of material.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
32. Apples and Oranges that a Sanders supporter has no clue about.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:32 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary needs the AA, Hispanic and female vote to lock up the White House. Trump has given her all the ammunition her campaign ads need. You obviously support Trump. Good luck with that.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
42. Geez, talk about clueless. Hillary needs MORE than the Democratic base.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:44 AM
Apr 2016

trump has more than enough ammunition to kill Hillary's chances with independent voters--the VOTERS WHO WILL DECIDE THE OUTCOME.

I do not support trump and the fact that you don't understand that proves the shallowness of your thinking. I also do not support Hillary, because she is a fatally flawed candidate who will cost us the White House.

But keep your head in the sand.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
46. You assume that many of the same independent voters that would support Bernie will support Trump?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:59 PM
Apr 2016

That suggests that Bernie supporters include lots of people who have no concern about building a wall to keep out Mexican immigrants, no concern about his attacks on Muslims, no concerns about his desire to "carpet bomb" portions of the Middle East, no concern about his desire to go beyond waterboarding and use any and all forms of torture, no concerns about his opposition to same sex marriage, no concerns about his personal attacks on women and disabled individuals, no concerns about his opposition to any increase in the minimum wage, no concerns about his temperament or how he scares the hell out our allies.

I voted for Bernie and want him to stay in the race through the end of the primary season. I know a lot of other Bernie supporters. Not one of them doesn't have most, if not all, of the concerns outlined above.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
16. Trump is already to the left of Hillary on:
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:19 AM
Apr 2016

Trade policies and war -- killing terrorists families excluded. All the angry hyperbole is just to win the angry Tea Party/white trash. If/when Hillary shifts to the center right, he will out flank her on the left in other ways too. He will put up a left center facade to try to win the disheartened Sanders voters. She is in big trouble -- and that is really scary because I do not want a Trump presidency.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
48. Sure, because carpet bombing the middle east and increasing the use of torture are "left" policies.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:00 PM
Apr 2016

Please. Get real.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
22. Two points and they are yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggggggggeeeeeeeeeeee
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016

Trump has been putting on an act, in the General Election campaign he will become very reasonable.

!) There is tape

2) The normal Trump is boring as fuck.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
36. Awful debater but excellent at insulting people.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:36 AM
Apr 2016

But if he is really going to be statesman like then he can't insult people and will have to discuss the issues.

Normal Trump is boring Trump.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
28. Trump doesn't need to be exciting in the GE, he just needs to sound more reasonable than Hillary
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:30 AM
Apr 2016

the media will do the rest, as with George W. Bush

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
34. How is gong to sound more reasonable than Hillary?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:33 AM
Apr 2016

He has the policy grasp of a sixth grader.

People come to see him because he's an great showman. When he tries to be a statesman he's boring as fuck.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
43. Every politician plays to the party's base in the primaries.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:52 AM
Apr 2016

Trump just went "all in" on the republican side. That was his strategy to wrest the nomination from the established pols. He can soften his rhetoric and downplay his hyperbole, while at the same time defending his stands. His positions aren't that different from the mainstream republican base. He just was the only one who said that stuff out loud. That's why the establishment didn't like him.

He will argue it wasn't "lies"--he still believes those things, but it was theatrics to stand out in the field of candidates. Plus, the general public has short memories.

Bleacher Creature

(11,235 posts)
38. Some things can't be unsaid.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:38 AM
Apr 2016

There's no chance in hell Trump will be able to undo most of the damage he's already done.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
39. The election will be decided by independent voters.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:39 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary's only chance in that situation is convincing them that trump is dangerous and not to be trusted with power. She's the sane alternative, even if you don't like her.

trump knows that. Just like Hillary will "pivot" in the GE campaign, trump will as well. They both did and said what they had to in order to win their party's primaries. Hillary had to pretend to be progressive. Trump had to pretend to be a fire breathing nativist. Their bases necessitated that. They are both shrewd politicians.

That was then. Trump will still be aggressive in his personal attacks, but will tone down his rhetoric. Hillary will be in some trouble then.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
50. The media loves to label people as flip floppers. It ties Trump's hands
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:03 PM
Apr 2016

Having gone all in during the primary season he cannot recant his positions. He will be beaten up mercilessly if during a debate he doesn't stick to his primary positions -- his own supporters will freak out if he softens up. Most likely he'll return to form and simply attack the media, and if there is a sure-fire way to make sure the media is out to stop you, it's by attacking them.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
40. If only technology gave access to everything he said during the primary.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:40 AM
Apr 2016

Perhaps someday, we will be able to tap into a massive database of video's tweets, interviews, and media comments, but it is not this day.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
41. except that we have video of Republicans saying all kinds of crazy shit and they are still in power
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:43 AM
Apr 2016

having video is one thing, getting the media to show it, or having people watch it, is another.

And don't forget what short memories people have.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
44. Advertisements are great for that. Romney and McCain lost due to things they said.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:55 AM
Apr 2016

Also, I do not think that Women, Blacks, Latino's, and other voting blocks will suffer a terrible case of amnesia once the nominee is decided.

The sudden onset of mass amnesia is specious, at best.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
47. Trump will rip Hillary a new one.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:00 PM
Apr 2016

The primaries and Sanders have been a lovefest compared with the Epic Shitstorm that will hit Perpetual Victim Hillary in the general, REGARDLESS of who the TeapubliKKKans nominate. You ain't seen nothin' yet.

And since her and her surrogates have managed to piss us on the left off to the point where we won't be there for her or any of the corporate lackey establishment crowd that jammed her down our throats....


... you're own your own.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
54. yep...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:36 PM
Apr 2016

she's going to need to 100% black and hispanic votes, and feminists, which will bring out all sorts of ugly on the other side.

I'm staying above the fray on that.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
49. That is possible it is also possible that if he is nominee he will wait until the last minute
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:02 PM
Apr 2016

and withdraw, especially if the 'rumors' about the friendship between him and Bill are true

 

Califonz

(465 posts)
55. When I watch his rallies, I think of him as a stand-up comedian in the tradition of Don Rickles
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

Insult humor at its most politically incorrect. But yes, like Rickles, Trump will start behaving once he realizes he just might have a chance to be president if he stops clowning.

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