Open your eyes. This election is not about YOU.

[grasswire]

This election is not about you.

It's not about electing someone whose clothes or "coif" or "elegance" or pumps you admire.

It's not about electing someone who is like you in gender or age.

It's not about electing someone because they've been beaten so badly before.

It's not about elevating a woman whose husband is a bum who shamed her.

It's not about glamour, or celebrity, or any other such attribute you may admire.

This election is not about YOU.

You (and I) are part of the past.

This election is about bigger, broader things than most discussion here on DU considers.

This election is, ultimately, about a future that is not ours.

A planet that cannot survive while fossil fuels and fracking do.

A democracy that cannot survive when segments are locked up for profit because of their color.

A generation that cannot survive without hope for their lives.

A people who cannot survive hungry children while leaders dine with fat cats.

A justice system that cannot survive two tiers of law.


This election is about the future. It's not about you, it's not about me. It's not about our vanity or status or mood.

Ask your children. Ask your grandchildren. What do they think this election is about? And who will best serve their needs?

And get over yourself.

[YouDig]

1. Good point. That's why I'm for Hillary.

[JaneyVee]

18. Yup. I agree with op. We need to END THE GOP.

[Armstead]

22. End the GOP? What would the Dems have for an excuse for inaction then?

[JaneyVee]

23. They are very active. I think you mean obstruction.

[Baobab]

43. maybe the Dems and GOP should merge and then left wing people can start fresh.

get what I am saying?

its cheating to have two right wing parties.

[JaneyVee]

46. Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown, and John Lewis are rightwingers now?

[senz]

112. Elizabeth Warren is in no way connected to Hillary Clinton.

She knows better.

[rhett o rick]

117. Wow. Dream world. Have just one party that is magical and we will all live in happiness.

The best system is have two viable parties that fight and compromise. Today the hapless GOP is just a distraction from the domination of the Democratic party by big money.
We need to kick the big money conservatives back to the GOP and reestablish the Democratic Party as the party of the people. Those that can't see that big money is controlling the Democratic Party leaders are drinking the koolaid.

Maybe you haven't noticed that the 99% has been dying while the top 1% has tripled their wealth. That has to end or we will all be destitute within a decade. The Clinton / Goldman-Sachs Wing of our Party wants to continue the status quo.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

50. So true....

It's not about the size of the adoring crowds that chant your name

Or the way your tech savvy legions have successfully dominated the on line conversation

It's not the size of your war chest

Or the number of times you voted your ideals despite not being able to get your colleagues to follow..

These are serious times that require proven leadership, not visions of what leadership could be, one day, if only...

The republican party lies in wait, ready to tear it apart, tear it on down, tear at the very fabric that mends this American Dream

I'm with Her. She's run their gauntlet time and again and still stands.

She's ready, day one.

[grasswire]

59. you sound positively jealous! nt

[sheshe2]

74. Lol~

No. Just proud of our candidate.

[sheshe2]

73. +1000!

[Ed Suspicious]

76. All this amassed by unkown 74 year old Jewish dem socialist from a tiny state with some big ideas

about fairness.

[Ed Suspicious]

77. If only she had what Bernie does.

[Tarc]

83. I think she can comfort herself with 2 million more votes and 250-ish more pledged delegates

[arikara]

121. Wars and fracking

No thanks.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

122. Because Bernie will be able to stop it all

With a wave of his crooked finger.

No thanks.

[Stuckinthebush]

70. Bingo

Me too.

[eridani]

99. Because you like cluster bombs? n/t

[rhett o rick]

118. I would like to know how her fans can overlook her responsibility for the Iraq War

and the hundreds of thousands dead including the children killed by cluster bombs. As you know, not all the bombs detonate on impact intentionally. They becomes sort of a mine and lay there until the people come out of hiding, wait to kill. Children are particularly susceptible to picking them up.

Clinton's fan use rationalization as the key to their happiness. They'd be ok if, as president, she leveled Iran.

[Trenzalore]

2. I'm voting for Hillary

but thanks for your concern.

[grasswire]

3. so you've let it be about YOU. nt

[Trenzalore]

4. I was pretty open in December 2015

Listened to both. Sanders had a wish list of everything every progressive ever wanted. Sounded good. Than the talks he was going to get it through "revolution." I listened to him some more. He was certainly not as charming or politically skilled as President Obama and President Obama won by some pretty good margins. I than realized he was nothing but hot air and went with the person prepared for partisan trench warfare.

[griffi94]

7. That was about how it was for me as well.

I was happy when I found out he was running.
He was an outsider. Solid liberal.

Then I realized that he'd been in the seante for years and years.
He didn't have a lot of tangible accomplishments for so long a period of time.

The more I saw and heard from him the more
he seemed to just be sloganeering.

[Trenzalore]

8. He doesn't have a tangible national party strategy

That was evident when he attacked party fundraising a week or so ago. Not every congressional race can be financed by legions of $27 donations unfortunately.

[griffi94]

10. I never even thought of that

but you're correct.
A national party strategy needs to be more than by the seat of your pants.

[Ed Suspicious]

79. You people are destined to forever do the bidding of those with the fattest wallet. Enjoy your

putrid rot.

[Trenzalore]

94. Other than an insult

You could discuss why $27 donations could win a national election for a political party. It cannot even win a democratic nomination let alone a national election with senate and house races.

It isn't my putrid rot, it is the world as it is.

[Arugula Latte]

11. Partisan trench warfare?

Hillary has made it clear she is not going to fight for anything remotely liberal.

I'm sure she's going to fight like hell to get the TPP passed, though.

[Walk away]

36. I never liked him. I met him decades ago and he was a real egomaniacal jerk.

I couldn't believe it when I heard he was running for POTUS as a Democrat. He hates Democrats and he's been denigrating the party since his Burlington days.

I honestly don't get the appeal. He's always talking and never doing anything and he doesn't work well with others.

Hillary Clinton has been fighting for women and children around the world for decades. She has accomplished so many incredible things in her many careers but all Sander's supporters can do is pick out the mistakes. Look at Bernie's gun votes! He makes mistakes and he has never accomplished anything. It's easy to stay pure when your top accomplishment is naming Post Offices.

Incidentally, Hillary learns from and apologizes for her mistakes. Bernie still thinks his gun votes are just AOK!

[SheenaR]

78. ...

Wtf.

Gun immunity? This progressive is for common sense legislation. Just like Bernie was.

[Walk away]

116. I'll bet! I think that's the bulk of Bernie's non-Millennial support....

Followers who are for "Common Sense Gun Legislation". (the " " aren't to attribute the phrase to you. It is to indicate )

[rhett o rick]

119. Wow, there are a lot of low post people here that seem to have joined DU

just to tell us in very short terms that they will vote for Hillary.

I wonder what impact this will make.

[oberliner]

5. That's why it is so important that we make sure the Democratic nominee wins

Because the Republicans would destroy everything for generations.

[awake]

9. Yes and Bernie is our best bet

[mmonk]

12. Recommended.

[ContinentalOp]

13. If I only cared about myself I would jump on the Bernie bandwagon to fit in with all of my friends.

But I actually care about winning and securing a liberal supreme court for the coming decades.

[grasswire]

15. but Bernie polls best against any GOP candidate.

And by the time Republicans get finished shredding her, any remote hope of her winning the GE will be shot to hell.

She simply is not electable, even if we set aside the problem with the FBI.

[ContinentalOp]

20. Republicans have been shredding her for 20 years and she's handled it fine.

I don't have the stomach for four months of republicans calling the democratic candidate a communist, talking about his "honeymoon to the soviet union," quoting his praise for cuba, and digging up every right wing asshole from cuba and russia to deliver sob stories about the evils of communism. You're crazy if you think Sanders would survive the smears the republicans are ready to unleash on him.

To the extent that there truly are swing voters and swing states, they exist in the middle of the spectrum, not on the left. Which is why Clinton is winning the swing states. And demographically Sanders is in trouble. He tends to win only among white men and young voters. Obama lost among independents and white men and still won the election. And unfortunately young voters don't tend to turn out reliably. Young Sanders supporters might switch to Clinton, or they might stay home or vote third party, but I doubt many of them will flip to Trump.

[grasswire]

21. you ain't seen nothing yet.

She has never faced a Republican in a national election, with the full firepower of the opposition research against her. Plus, in that twenty years she has engaged in various enterprises that have provided mountains of crap to throw at her.

If she were to prevail in the election, there would be impeachment papers on her doorstep on Inauguration Day. Republicans are just waiting to humiliate her and pound her senseless. They almost want THAT more than they want a Republican in the WH.

[JaneyVee]

27. Bro, theyve been at her for 20 years...they got nothing but some "damn emails" no one cares about

Bernie isnt even beating Trump in vote count.

[grasswire]

32. keep whistling past the graveyard

keep whistling

[ContinentalOp]

28. I don't doubt it, but I know that she can handle it.

It's going to be so ugly that I expect an enormous backlash, particularly from women, and I wouldn't be surprised if we take back congress in 2018. You think she's not prepared for it?

[grasswire]

35. Here's what I think.

I think the American people should not have to be dragged through another Clinton psychodrama, suffering along.

There are candidates without that baggage. Martin O'Malley, for one. Good liberal, attractive candidate, no baggage.

Bernie. Attracting massive numbers of new voters. Attracting millions of young people. Setting a precedent of grassroots funding that could liberate the party from special interest control.

Instead, if Hillary is the nominee, there will be horror played out each day, for every one of us. The focus will be on Hillary's continued victimhood.

And I believe that as the corruption is revealed, the Democratic Party will be broken apart by voters who can't believe the party was stupid enough to allow her to represent us.

[ContinentalOp]

42. And yet here we are.

For the record, I haven't donated or volunteered for any candidates and I haven't voted yet (CA resident) so I'm just looking at the hand I've been dealt. I suspect that the nominee will be chosen before I get to vote anyway.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. On the bright side

I should invest in ink...

[sheshe2]

75. Lawd.

They have been going after her for 20 plus years.

How long has your candidate survived the onslaught? That's right, none. He has never had to.

[grasswire]

85. Right. Bernie is clean.

And the twenty years of Hillary's troubles will seem like fairy dust if she's nominated.

[sheshe2]

87. Lol!

Clean. Okeedoookee!

[grasswire]

89. you guys have to make up scandals about him because there's NOTHING there. nt

[sheshe2]

90. Lol.

Okaaaay~

[grasswire]

91. so list Bernie's scandals please

I think Skinner can afford the bandwidth.

[sheshe2]

92. No no no no no....

You guys hide anything we say. Nope, nada.....

[grasswire]

97. got nothing. nt

[sheshe2]

103. I got plenty and the petty hides to prove it.

I post elsewhere. You can read it all. Sadly you can't hide us there.

[grasswire]

106. why would a post listing facts about real scandals be hidden?

Truth is defense against hiding.

So put your true facts about Bernie's real scandals here.

[sheshe2]

110. De....Nile.

Guess you are not on DU/BU much. You are so silly grasswire.

Facts have been stated and hidden. You know that and so do I.

Nighty night~

[Armstead]

25. She's handled it fine. A majority of voters don't like her

I won't defend the GOP or excuse their persecution...But both Clintons keep giving them fodder for their attacks over the years.

[Hiraeth]

17. care about winning? really. then why don't all your friends care about it?

you have already been outvoted. you vs all your friends. one vote vs. many = outvoted.

follow your own logic.

sheesh.

[ContinentalOp]

24. Well like a lot of Sanders supporters, my social group happens to be a very liberal bubble.

But in the bigger scheme of things, clearly Sanders is the one who has been outvoted. I suspect that there are other closet Clinton leaning people or Sanders skeptics (not really the same thing as actually being a Clinton "supporter&quot who don't speak out because we're told that we're evil, corrupt, corporate sell-outs, DINOs, low information, and not true progressives. That's one reason why you don't see a lot of Clinton bumper stickers or yard signs but she's way ahead in actual voters.

[Hiraeth]

51. Faulty logic is faulty.

[ContinentalOp]

61. Yes, I'm glad you see the error in your logic.

[nolabels]

120. That's why the edsel was such a success, it was such perfect car nobody even wanted to talk about...

or so they say

Edsel
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edsel

[Lizzie Poppet]

26. The problem with the SCOTUS rationale...

...is I don't trust Hillary not to nominate a centrist (at best) in order to facilitate political give-and-take with what I'm fairly sure will be a Republican Senate and House.* She's put abortion rights on the table, FFS. For someone basically center (most things) to center-right (on economic issues), assuming a loyalty to nominating a genuine liberal to the court is too much of a stretch for me.

*I think Hillary is downballot poison: there is no greater motivator of the GOP base on the planet than HRC.

[ContinentalOp]

33. I think there is one greater motivator...

the fear of "communism"! Obama is maybe one tiny degree to the left of Hillary and they called him a socialist and a communist for the past 8 years. Imagine what they would do to Bernie. They'll be foaming at the mouth. And candidate Trump is going to equally inspire democratic turnout, particularly from women and latinos. I don't think any amount of republican turnout is going to be able to overcome demographics.

[grasswire]

38. those days are gone

Most people are not afraid of socialism, or even of communism. The people who ARE afraid are either already in her base (older) or Republicans. Bernie is bringing millions of new voters who don't give a fig about those labels. Hillary can not attract those new voters.

[ContinentalOp]

47. Exactly

You're talking about potentially losing older voters, conservative democrats, swing voters, and low information voters who will buy into the red baiting and scaremongering we'll be fed 24 hours a day up to the election. And in exchange we'll maybe be getting some young voters and non-voters who may or may not turn up to the polls and will probably vote for the democrat either way. That doesn't sound like a very good gamble, and unsurprisingly that strategy hasn't worked out so far in the actual primary voting.

[Ed Suspicious]

81. The capitalists rob us blind of jobs and wages and pensions and tax revenue, but we really need

to fear the spectre of the red scare? Fuck it all.

[Doctor_J]

14. Try convincing them that it's not about Hillary.

They act like it's some fucking game, and that having a right wing president together with Paul Ryan will be just great. Fucking morons.

[grasswire]

16. And it will be on them for taking that risk against common wisdom. nt

[Aerows]

49. I am not going to have any regrets

and I don't even want to hear it when it happens.

In 2000, I voted in Florida for Al Gore. Well, I think I did. The Nader yelling sect of our party members are bringing this on themselves and ultimately, all of us.

This Primary has been profoundly and utterly disastrous. People try to vote and can't, votes getting flipped, running out of ballots!? and limited polling places.

I'll dispense with the polite words. This is FUCKED UP when blatant rigging of the vote is defended, laughed about and given a hearty ha-ha because it currently suits the candidate of ones choice. When this all comes to a head in November and people start crying because Republicans stole the vote, I don't want to hear a GODDAMN thing about it.

[JaneyVee]

19. I agree. Stopping Republicans should be #1 priority.

[JoePhilly]

29. Which is why we must hold onto the White House.

[tularetom]

30. You do nice work

I forwarded a copy of your post to every female member of our extended family, probably a dozen in all. I think I'm preaching to the choir, however, because most of them despise Ms Clinton to begin with. They'll probably be pissed off at me for assuming that they would even consider voting for her in the first place. One of my nieces is a mouth breathing nut job republican, her sister is married to one, my wife and both granddaughters are rabid Democrats, my daughter and d-i-l are sort of lukewarm Dems, and the rest of the nieces, grand nieces and whatever are apolitical. But they all dislike Hillary.

Nevertheless, I think they'd all share to some degree, a concern for the future of their kids.

We shall see.

[grasswire]

40. thanks, Tom!

You do nice work, too. I remember you telling me about fixing your daughter's garage door. Good man.

[Rex]

31. True, it is about not letting Cruz or Trump get elected.

I agree.

[riderinthestorm]

34. I agree. Climate change is the biggest concern

Its why I'm voting for Bernie. Our planet is in its 11th hour. We need muscular bold leadership.

Hillary’s tepid incremental approach towards saving the environment combined with her support for known polluters like the fracking industry dooms the planet as surely as climate change deniers.

[grasswire]

41. yes, she can't be for protecting the planet while taking money from fossil fuel nt

[Baobab]

48. Disaster capitalism. Every disaster a money making opportunity. Hillary wants to privatize water.

nt

[k8conant]

37. It is sad that so many of my fellow boomers fail to understand this

and don't vote for the best candidate for the future of the US, Bernie Sanders.

[Aerows]

39. K & R

for a very righteous, and necessary rant.

[mythology]

45. Apparently it's about your ego

You don't get to lecture people and tell them that they don't care about their kids if they don't vote for Sanders and tell people to get over themselves. Your post is pure ego and sanctimonious assumption that you can't be wrong.

So yeah, get over yourself.

[grasswire]

55. must have stung, eh?

If Bill can tell millennials how stupid and selfish they are, then I think anyone has free license to stand up for them against the tyranny of those who are killing their dreams and aspirations.

And.....the beauty of being on the right side of history and truth is the confidence that you are NOT wrong. Bernie's not wrong. And neither am I.

[desmiller]

52. A YUUUUUGE K & R for reality.

[Hoyt]

53. Election is about getting things done. "He is idealistic. But he is also unrealistic."

"Mr. Sanders is appealing in his promises: Who doesn't want tuition-free universities, single-payer health care and bigger Social Security checks? But the costs are far greater than he's acknowledging. Also, the tax increases required would make Congress keel over. Finally, the quality of his Medicare-for-all system wouldn't match today's.

"He is idealistic. But he is also unrealistic.

"Mrs. Clinton has turned dreams into laws. She has fought for the underclass, championing the causes of women and children around the world. Her grasp of foreign policy is deep — including, through sorry experience, the limits of U.S. power.

"Given her resume, few people today are more qualified for the Oval Office than she is."

http://www.courant.com/opinion/editorials/hc-ed-hillary-clinton-our-choice-for-democratic-nomination-20160415-story.html

[grasswire]

56. yawn

newspaper endorsements.

Isn't Hartford a center of gun manufacturers? Doesn't Hillary get money from arms manufacturers?

[Hoyt]

58. I think we know who supports those dang things.

[eridani]

100. I fucking well do not want Clinton to get TPP and fracking done.

Nor do I regard cutting Social Security as an accomplishment.

[Jackilope]

54. I have kids and a grandchild. HRC is war hawk. I opt Sanders.

I will be damed if I vote for someone with as horrific past judgement and a tendency towards war.

[grasswire]

57. that's what I'm talking about.

Can't trust her to keep your children (and millions of children the world 'round) safe from war.

[treestar]

60. No election is.

The ones who make it about them are the ones who tell the rest of us we have to get their vote.

[moriah]

62. Open your eyes. This election is not about YOUR biases.

It's not about electing someone who has far more often been mocked for wearing pants suits, headbands, or dressing casually when flying all over the country, even if that type of behavior doesn't help you when you suggest women aren't constantly judged for their looks.

It's not about electing someone you think we are voting for because we have ovaries and want someone who has them to get a chance.

It's not about electing someone because we think they're a martyr when they are clearly anything but.

It's not about electing someone because their husband screwed around on them, which at least one poster had the courtesy to self-delete last night before I showed them the video of that accusation made in 2008 on national television by a RWer.

It's not about us liking Hillary because she's well-known, and certainly not because we want a queen to worship in some form of cult, as a horrible article from Salon posted suggested and got hundreds of recommendations.

This election is not about sexism, except when people decide in posts like ones here that actually suggest people are voting for Hillary because they think she dresses snazzy.

Such horrific posts should be a part of the past, but they apparently aren't, because this inanity would ever be posted on DU.

This election is about bigger, broader things than most discussion here on DU considers, which is about the truest thing in your post until that point.

This election is, ultimately, about a future that is not ours. 

A planet that cannot survive while fossil fuels and fracking do -- and Hillary accepted all of 0.2% of her contributions from employees who work in those industries. Maybe ones who work there because they have no other choice.

A democracy that cannot survive when segments are locked up for profit because of their color -- which Hillary has fought against long before she was elected.

A generation that cannot survive without hope for their lives -- which a vote against her in the General, or staying at home, will make worse.

A people who cannot survive hungry children while leaders dine with fat cats -- and philanthropy is something that we should encourage, not attack.

A justice system that cannot survive two tiers of law -- again, something Hillary has worked to change pro-bono long before she was elected to anything.


This election is about the future. It's not about you, it's not about me.

Ask your children. Ask your grandchildren. What do they think this election is about? And who will best serve their needs? 

And get over your extremely childish and naive notion that people who support the Democratic Nominee, who this time seems to have been chosen by the voters to be Hillary, are doing so because of the inane reasons you gave.

[grasswire]

64. First.

Normally, when we are quoting someone else, we give them attribution for their work. There you go, putting many of my words into your mouth.

Second. You are pitifully uninformed.

Are you not aware that HRC took money from the private prison industry? Are you not aware that her husband's policies (which she supported heartily) drove millions of poor PoC into prisons?

Are you not aware that lobbyists for the fossil fuel industry DO have other work options? You think the people giving her money are field hands or drillers or something?

And what is philanthropic about dining with fat cats? Are you trying to say that the money raised with the Clooneys was going to feed hungry children? SMH

[moriah]

84. I thought since it was a reply to you, and was obviously a copycat of your post so didn't require...

... attribution.

I understand you don't like Hillary, but seriously, suggesting that people are voting for her because of how she dressess?

I try my best to do better than Hillary supporters who insult the intelligence of Bernie supporters by suggesting they are voting for him just out of rebellion rather than because they believe in his policies. In 2008, I tried to do better than the Hillary supporters who insulted the intelligence of Obama supporters by suggesting they thought he was some sort of messiah.

I'd like to see better behavior from Bernie supporters than what you said, too.

[grasswire]

86. Hey, the business about her clothes and style came right from the Hillary group here.

[moriah]

88. I think Obama was cool to wear a Tiara for the GSA....

... but I promise my vote, and hopefully the rest of the people who voted for him, did it for more substantial reasons.

If you have a reference to the HRC group where someone suggested her dress was a substantial reason to vote for her, instead of just saying she looked good one day, I'd like to see it. I don't participate in either of the groups for our primary contenders, so if it was said, I missed it.

[Major Hogwash]

63. She wants to invade Iran.

If that is not worse than anything Trump has spewed lately, let me know.
Because I am never going to vote for a warmonger.

[grasswire]

65. what a horrifying prospect.

What's next after that? North Korea?

[Major Hogwash]

68. Charles Koch just endorsed her.

She should be proud.
All the 1%ers are for her now.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

66. Yes, the election IS about ME!

Me, and the kind of country I want to live in and leave for those who follow.

Me, and the kind of country I can be proud of when I meet with friends from other countries.

Me, and the kind of country that cares for its people. All of its people.

[grasswire]

67. I can dig that. nt

[Rebkeh]

69. This.

[amborin]

71. Great post! HRC would be a disaster; reckless war hawk who votes with Republicans

[bigwillq]

72. Thanks for reminding me why Hillary and Trump are not good

for this country.

For the sake of the children, I think the country can, and should, do better.

[AuntPatsy]

80. .

[Tarc]

82. My goodness so many silly and dismissive soundbites

You're going to have to face the facts that more...many more...people prefer Clinton's vision for the future. Sanders had a lot ov votes too, but not nearly enough.

[Dems to Win]

93. Yes, it is about me. Me and my family, and our needs

I need my Social Security to be there in a few years for me, as I'm planning on.

I need my brother to make a living wage in his WalMart job, and I need him to get access to health care. I need a couple other members of my family to finally get health care.

I need a healthy, vibrant planet to live on today and leave to the next generations.

I need to feel secure that my home and savings won't be stolen by fraudulent bankers.

I need my tax dollars to stop funding the largest most expensive military ever known and instead be used to provide smooth roads, high speed trains, and reliable clean water.

People suffering from real problems are going to the polls. We really need the government to work better on our behalf. I don't ask voters to forget about their needs, rather I ask them to vote their own interests.

Bernie Sanders 2016

[pnwmom]

95. This is beyond condescending. Hillary's supporters support her because of her hair and pumps?

African Americans in NY supported Hillary by 3 to 1. Women supported her 60-40.

All because they liked her hair and fashion sense.

This OP is nuts.

[grasswire]

102. you peeps in the clubhouse are the ones who say that's what appeals to you.

[pnwmom]

105. You need to take the wax out of your ears. It's affecting your hearing. n/t

[ucrdem]

96. The problem here is that Bernie's campaign is basically all about Hillary.

And if it wasn't him it would have been someone else. So there's that.

[Onlooker]

98. You're right, especially if you're talking about white men.

You're right.

It's not about you. It's not about you, the one major demographic that Bernie won in New York (white men: 61%-39%, and would guess more specifically straight white men).

It's about the people who would be harmed by a Republican presidency --

-- It's about Latinos who will lose their homes and be forcibly deported to their country of origin.

-- It's about blacks who continue to suffer the inequities of the police and legal system.

-- Its about gays who in many states are already seeing laws passed to protect their right to discriminate.

-- Its about transgendered people who are actually losing public bathroom rights in many states.

-- Its about women who will lose the right to abortion and see their unfair pay rates preserved.

-- It's about Muslim's who will have their neighborhoods patrolled by Homeland Security.

-- ...

So, open your eyes, whether you think Bernie the right solutions or Hillary the right experience, in the end it's not about you. Get over yourself.

[grasswire]

104. But Bernie is as strong or stronger on all those points you make.

You missed the point, I think.

[Onlooker]

111. Actually not

Bernie is a good politician and has exaggerated his record. His record on most of those issues is nothing more than a reliable vote. For instance, on gay rights he has no history in Congress, no bills put forth, no inspiring speeches. Even on DOMA, he never spoke up at the time, and his vote was pretty pointless. The Clintons have actually done a lot for gays (granting asylum, barring federal contract discrimination, appointing scores of gays to government positions; even Hillary was the first first lady to march in a gay pride parade and her staff lobbied successfully to stop a conservative Congress from barring gay adoption). On civil rights, it's very obvious he did not build connection with the progressive black Congresspeople, though he was a reliable vote. It should also be noted that he voted for the 1994 Crime Bill. On immigration, he's really not quite as progressive as Hillary, since Bernie puts more emphasis than she does on protecting American jobs first. On women's rights, Hillary has been far more active on issues such as equal pay, education, etc. Don't get me wrong, Bernie has been a reliable vote, and has the right politics, but given that he has represented a state that is less than 1% black, he really hasn't had the reason to truly do battle for oppressed groups outside of his terrific stands on economic justice, which benefits everyone.

[Beacool]

101. Did you expect to change minds after the condescending claptrap you wrote?

[grasswire]

107. well, I hoped to instill a wee bit of doubt...

...or maybe a little shame.

But generally, no. Closed minds don't change.

[Beacool]

109. A little shame???????

I'm very proud to have voted for Hillary in 2008 and to do so now.

Did you expect to open minds with your derision, sarcasm and ignorant post???

[NanceGreggs]

108. Given that it's BS supporters ...

... who are constantly vowing not to vote for the Democrat in November if it's not their candidate, it would seem blatantly obvious who the "it's all about ME" people are.

The minute you say "let Trump have it if Bernie is not the nominee", you've made it clear that the future of the country is of no consequence whatsoever.

[senz]

113. Thanks, grasswire. Well done and true.

You got swarmed because you hit a nerve. They're allergic to truth, you know.

[yuiyoshida]

114. K&R

tweeted.

[Uncle Joe]

115. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, grasswire.