2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOk so where are the transcripts? 200k an hour, and saying the regular folks dont deserve 15
an hour..Yeah I can see the defense in that. But just in case we will have the cheersquad (paid or unpaid) come in here and start talking about a double standard. If anyone is having a double standard it is the Clintons...one rule for them and the rest for everyone else.
To the cheersquad, don't forget to hit the button if you don't like the message..its what we do in a democracy.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)think that most of them are paid posters...you cannot make some of this stuff up.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)So we know they exist. Knowing which ones however isn't easy. I just ignore the ones who never engage in a rational conversation.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)We can see direct connections of influence to his votes. He has responded to the NRA with his votes on gun issues. He should not be asking for something he is not ready to furnish himself. This would be a double standard.
insta8er
(960 posts)Those are the differences between your candidate and mine, the differences are clear and there are facts to support them. You just chose to look the other way because you don't like to hear what your candidate has done in the last 10 years or so. The anguish she and her husband have caused a good part of the American population by enacting laws that target minorities and poor people indiscriminately. The fact that she got us involved in wars where innocent people died, the fact that she after receiving "contributions" to the Clinton foundation signed off on selling Military equipment to repressive regimes. This couple has been a threat to global peace as well as to the well being of the American people. But hey...she is a woman, as long as you can say...Madam President what else matters right?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Sanders votes five times against the Brady Bill, the appearance of impropriety exists. On which occassion have you found Hillary has been influenced?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Tarc
(10,472 posts)Sorry.
insta8er
(960 posts)still not care. So please spare me your indignation of what is relevant or not. Your choice shows me that you are not the person I would want to take any advice from.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)A narrowly-focused, borderline obsessive, fixation on minutiae that doesn't really resonate with the majority of the electorate.
insta8er
(960 posts)and her families interest in mind. She clearly tells you...200k an hour for me, and you can have $12 an hour to start with..but not all at once. Talk about obsessive, I am waiting to see you pull out that gender card any minute now. I am glad to see that you now are also the spokesperson of the majority of the electorate. The electorate includes independents as well as Democrats and even some Republicans who seem to adhere to the message that Sanders is bringing. But stay with your oligarchy, your corrupt political finance system..your candidate who takes money from the banks that she will break up (yeah right) and the prison industry who benefits from having as many people incarcerated. Bottom line, your candidate is a morally corrupt candidate and I wish you all of the best with her...especially when she hands over your Social Security to her banker friends.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)"independents"
"oligarchy"
"banks"
I tried to play a "Sanders Supporters Say..." drinking game once, but my liver throttled me into unconsciousness before permanent damage was done.
insta8er
(960 posts)Please let me know when you have your first gig....I will make sure to come and see you at whatever standup theather you chose to perform.
madamesilverspurs
(15,798 posts)Repetition repetition repetition.
At this point, even if Hillary Clinton DID release the transcripts, Bernie Sanders and the Republicans would invent some other criterion for her. Shes already met and in some cases surpassed the usual standards, but it will never be enough, will it? Shes released thirty years of tax returns, Sanders has released one and considers that just exactly the same and, therefore, she should release the transcripts. Comparing apples to oranges? Hell no its comparing apples to a fruit that hasnt even been invented yet. Its no longer a matter of double standards. At this point its gone well beyond triples.
The question that remains: What will be the next hurdle they demand she jump?
insta8er
(960 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)And should be.
madamesilverspurs
(15,798 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)in exchange for the big bucks, and her secrecy on the matter merely increases the suspicion that it's something we wouldn't approve of.
madamesilverspurs
(15,798 posts)Many people consider this to be something ginned up to create doubt about her. Even Bernie, when asked point blank to give an example of where any of those speeches had compromised anything, couldnt give an example; rather astounding for someone who has made this a centerpiece issue of his campaign, yes? Had she given those speeches while in office, that would be another matter since its against the law. But she gave those speeches after leaving office. She wasnt positioned to affect policy. So again why? At this point the whole thing is nothing but a case of guilty until proven innocent.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)In fact, many find the notion that a politician can accept hundreds of thousands of dollars from someone and not be affected by it ludicrous. No one is required to behave as if they were a juror and assume innocence until definitively proven otherwise. It's disingenuous to claim Hillary wasn't positioned to affect policy. The Clintons are influential, even out of office, and it's been widely presumed that it would be Hillary's "turn" next.
If you'd like to believe that Hillary's been completely uninfluenced by all those speaking fees, knock yourself out, but a lot of people don't think that passes the smell test, and no amount of rhetoric on your part will change it.
madamesilverspurs
(15,798 posts)what do you think she influenced? When? And with whom did she work to effect that influence? On what policy? What legislation?
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Go play your bullshit games with someone else.
madamesilverspurs
(15,798 posts)I merely asked that the accusation inherent in the insinuation be backed up. By the way, the recitation of the insinuation IS the talking point.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)No potential presidential candidate has ever been asked to produce transcripts of their speeches - except Hillary.
Why is she required to do something that no one else has ever been asked to do?
Sounds like a double standard to me.
Now, producing full and complete tax returns, there's a long-standing precedent for that. But for some reason, BS supporters think that Bernie shouldn't do so. That sure sounds like one rule for Bernie, and a different rule for everyone else.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)But, I'll settle for and K&R
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)where Hillary said regular folks don't deserve $15 an hour?
She's been pretty clear from the start that she supports an increase in the minimum wage, to a federal level of $12, with $15 in areas where cost of living is higher. There are some good reasons to fear that "regular folks" might lose jobs if a $15 federal level is instituted.
It seems to me that Hillary cares about the "regular folks." And even if you don't agree with her policy proposal, could you at least TRY not to smear her by suggesting that she said that "regular folks" do not DESERVE $15 per hour?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Her contract limited her speeches to 20 minutes. Her fee was $250K per speech -- along with a private jet, a presidential suite, and other perks.
So, her take was more like $750k to $1,000,000 on an hourly basis.