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Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:53 PM Apr 2016

Howard Dean lost the 2004 Democratic Primary

However, in losing, he transformed how candidates raise awareness and money through use of the internet.

As a stalwart Hillary Clinton supporter, I hope she wins all of the states tomorrow. However, Bernie Sanders campaign will probably shape the narrative for the next 2-3 Presidential election cycles in much the same way that Howard Dean's loss built a foundation on which Barack Obama 's team built a successful campaign.

I have done more than my share of grousing about "I-VT" and that he won't join the party. Let me ask Sanders supporters this:

For the sake of discussion let's suppose that Hillary Clinton wins the nomination. If Bernie Sanders would switch from "I" to "D", could we consider him for the next Chair of the DNC? After all, Dean did a pretty good job, IIRC.

Just throwing it out there....

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Howard Dean lost the 2004 Democratic Primary (Original Post) Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 OP
Sanders is the last person on Earth the DNC would accept as Chair. n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #1
Amasing how someone could say that Gwhittey Apr 2016 #2
Well, if you look at it from the perspective of drawing in the next generation winter is coming Apr 2016 #6
Well it kidna worked Gwhittey Apr 2016 #8
My feeling is that that was what Dean did Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #11
Yup, this is a pretty absurd OP jfern Apr 2016 #4
he has no interest in being DNC chair JI7 Apr 2016 #3
Remember, they ousted Dean when he was actually successful. AllyCat Apr 2016 #5
There was a turf war over who was responsible for 2006 Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #12
I don't think it is fair to say that Dean was ousted. StevieM Apr 2016 #16
Not my call, obviously ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #7
It's not my call either Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #9
So why are you asking if he would be a good chair? AllyCat Apr 2016 #19
Ummm...because I consider Nance to be a friend Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #20
Results... Major Nikon Apr 2016 #13
Amazing. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #15
Give it 24 hours, I reckon Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #18
I find Bernie a breath of fresh air. quaker bill Apr 2016 #17
My response would have been many words shorter, yours is MUCH nicer, so I'll just Lucinda Apr 2016 #21
The DNC would accept any republican over Bernie, hell they would disband the democratic Autumn Apr 2016 #10
No. artislife Apr 2016 #14
 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
2. Amasing how someone could say that
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:57 PM
Apr 2016

It is like they do not see how DNC loves money in politics. Hell DWS at start of the primary changed DNC rules so they could take lobbyist money, a Rule that Obama implemented.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
6. Well, if you look at it from the perspective of drawing in the next generation
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:00 PM
Apr 2016

of voters, it makes perfect sense. If you look at it from the "status quo" perspective, it's lunacy. IMO, too much of the Party leadership thinks we can continue relying on scare tactics to attract people.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
8. Well it kidna worked
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:04 PM
Apr 2016

They status quo is working because HRC is doing better. I wonder how long it will take for all MSM low information voters to die off so only people who don't get feed bullshit from Cable news are no longer largest voting block. I bet if we have a Hillary White House we are going to see a big time SOPA deal come down. They are going to start filtering the internet.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
11. My feeling is that that was what Dean did
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:10 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton appealed heavily to the Baby Boomers. Dean appealed more to the late boomers and GenXers who were more technologically savvy and had different concerns and perspectives.

AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
5. Remember, they ousted Dean when he was actually successful.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 06:59 PM
Apr 2016

For whatever reason, the DNC feels the need to continue to lose statehouses, governorships, and Senatorial seats. We need Sanders in Congress if we do not have him in the White House.

Thank you for your post and your questions. And thanks for not posting in the HRC group since we are all banned for asking similar but smaller questions.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
16. I don't think it is fair to say that Dean was ousted.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:21 PM
Apr 2016

He served for four years, which is the longest that party chairman usually serve for.

When Obama became president he appointed Tim Kaine to the job. Every incoming president chooses their own party chair. There was no "they" involved in the process. It was strictly Obama's decision.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
7. Not my call, obviously ...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:03 PM
Apr 2016

... but I wouldn't trust Bernie in respect of anything to do with the Democratic party.

He bashed the Democrats for decades - then asked to run on their ticket - and went right back to bashing them.

He can drag his sorry loser as back to Vermont - I don't even want to hear his name again.



AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
19. So why are you asking if he would be a good chair?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:35 PM
Apr 2016

Why even pose the question if you think a fellow DUer who hates him is better ?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
13. Results...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:55 PM
Apr 2016

On Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:47 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Not my call, obviously ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1832252

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Hillary will be the nominee we need to unite DU and the party this is not the way to do it

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:54 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nope. The Hillary bashers accuse her of being in cahoots with the Kochs, much worse than this.
Besides this should all end on Wednesday morning.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sounds as dumb as something Trump would say, but not really hide worthy.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: While I agree that bashing the "other" candidate (whichever one it is) does nothing to unite the party, I don't see it as "disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate."

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
15. Amazing.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:10 PM
Apr 2016

Given the anti-HRC/anti-Dem garbage that is allowed to be posted here 24/7, it's laughable that someone thought that post should be alerted on.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
17. I find Bernie a breath of fresh air.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:41 PM
Apr 2016

It is long past time that we had a career Democratic Politician standup and speak bluntly about economic issues. I am tired of weak tea and triangulation.

That aside, we agree, I would not want Bernie to spend his time attempting to fix the DLC. "22 State" Hillary will fix it all on her own.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
21. My response would have been many words shorter, yours is MUCH nicer, so I'll just
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:37 AM
Apr 2016

+1 you, and save my potty mouth for another day.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
10. The DNC would accept any republican over Bernie, hell they would disband the democratic
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:09 PM
Apr 2016

party before they would do that.

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