Town hall, Clinton: Buzz off Sanders supporters, I'm the winner here and you'll listen to me!

[beedle]

[snowy owl]

1. The end of her evolution? Back to corporatist warmonger or student of the Bern?

Will she turn out to be the ultimate panderer and liar?

[Hortensis]

40. It's okay. Bernie says he will demand concessions in

return for his support. She says that when she conceded, early, she immediately gave her support to Obama with no demands. Although both of them are sincere, these are also initial negotiating positions taken by people who clearly intend to agree on terms for working together.

[2pooped2pop]

71. turn out to be?

pretty much has that wrapped up already.

[oldandhappy]

2. Sorry love. As long as my 'off' button works, I will not hear.

[danimich1]

3. Ugh

Can't stand her.

[840high]

6. ....

[carburyme]

45. Ugh

Can't stand him

[silvershadow]

4. Wow. The Trump-Clinton two-step just might work after all...providing it does work.

I am not looking forward to it.

[Buns_of_Fire]

21. It'll be interesting to see which one suffers an injury first

while patting themself on the back.

[Hydra]

5. "Real people"

We're not real people? Explains a lot.

[grasswire]

7. I couldn't watch tonight.

I was basking in the glow of Bernie's GREAT town hall. So warm and genuine and compassionate. Not a fake bone in his body.

[felix_numinous]

8. Her whole campaign is dependent on hackable machines

prepaid delegates, online moles, and she has not had anything close to the crowds and street support showing up for Sanders.

How can you declare yourself a winner in a contested election? This has to be resolved during this election, we cannot have someone so unhinged in the WH.

[Vermudgeon]

79. The rotten core

Absolutely spot-on, Felix. HRC counts 2.7 million "votes" from "people" she condescendingly says bothered to show up and register their opinion. She is touting "results" from easily-hack able machines, with plenty of middlemen/women who can and do alter the results. This is really THE ISSUE of this campaign. Go through the threads here on election fraud, go to electionnightmares.com, and the awesome video posted by Old Crow on "Why Electronic Voting is a Really Bad Idea" (2014). From an interview with John Brakey on "The Sane Progressive", Sanders won the 68 MA precincts, with 2.9% of the state's population (statistically significant) by 17.9 points. Yet he lost statewide? In Blue Massachusetts, full of college students? 140,000 Brooklynites kicked off the voter rolls? These are numbers, people. Liars don't figure and figures don't lie.

[Beacool]

9. She must be fed up with Sanders and his campaign's new strategy.

They keep insisting that they will try to convince super delegates to switch to him even if Hillary has the pledged delegate advantage. The whole thing is so preposterous that I don't blame her for being annoyed.

[rhett o rick]

10. Her hubris will be her downfall. nm

[insta8er]

12. No th DOJ and her arrogance.

[Beacool]

14. Hubris defines what Sanders and his campaign are proposing to do.

How outrageously arrogant of him to try to deny the candidate who has the most pledged delegates the nomination. He seems to have no shame and respect for the democratic process. How dare he think that he should be given the nomination over the candidate who leads by a country mile in both delegates and votes????

If the roles were switched, Sanders' supporters would be rightfully yelling at the top of their lungs that she was trying to steal the nomination.

[beedle]

25. Hey, I thought the rules where the rules?

Is Sanders suggesting he is going to break any of your sacred rules? No? Then why the sudden concern for democracy now? Clinton supporters just finished saying screw the democratic process, rules are rules even if that means people lose their votes, too bad. Now the principle of democracy are important again?

If democracy it's now suddenly more important than party rules, let's start this primary all over and this time let it be done democratically.

[Beacool]

88. What's your problem, closed primaries?

IMO, they should all be closed. Why should outsiders decides who the Democratic nominee should be?

What Sanders and his two weasels (Weaver & Devine) are proposing is to try to convince super delegates to switch to him even if he's behind in pledged delegates at the convention. That is an attempt to steal the nomination and will never happen. Most super delegates support Hillary anyway. Why would they switch to the one who lost?

Their strategy is just crazy.

[rhett o rick]

64. The arrogance and hubris come from those that expect Sanders to quit before the race

is decided. Their outrage is no different now than what it was in the beginning of this campaign. The Clinton camp, instead of looking forward to a healthy competition, was outrage that Sen Sanders would challenge the ONE, and "deny" her what she should be anointed to.

I am guessing that you are afraid to continue because you think Sanders might win. If not why are you so scared? Or maybe you don't like the Progressives pointing out her faults. She apparently isn't strong enough to continue.

It's the arrogance that we should just quit, just bow down to the Authoritarian on high that is destine to be president, that makes many turn away from Clinton. The arrogance that she is destine, that she "deserves" the presidency.

I will fight on because I don't think she is the best Democrat for the General. And I will fight on forever against those that think they can tell me to sit down and shut up. I don't grovel. I know that you can't understand that because you must think everyone should grovel. Groveling is for conservatives not Democrats.

[Beacool]

89. Nope, I have repeatedly said that Sanders has a right to stay in the race

until the last vote was cast. As to fear that he could win, no on that count too. Sanders has no path to the nomination. Barring some unforeseen event, Hillary will be the nominee.

[rhett o rick]

90. You contridict yourself. You say "no path", but hedge with "barring unforeseen event".

We will fight to the convention and beyond.

[Beacool]

91. No contradiction.

Hillary will be the nominee, unless something happens to her. That's what I mean by "barring an unforeseen event". No one has a crystal ball and anything can happen to anyone, health related, accident, etc.

[riderinthestorm]

11. Ugh. Smug, arrogant, and supremely dismissive

She's just awful. She doesn't give a shit about us.

Then fuck her.

[nolabels]

86. She wants to be President

Caring how she gets there is not important if whatever she has to do gets her there.

She is not much different from any male that ran for the office in that regard. I would be more concerned about her judgment in executing the office. That is part where i would be concerned.

[MrMickeysMom]

13. BRAV-fucking-OH!

[Binkie The Clown]

15. Translation: If you support Bernie, then piss on you. n/t

[Juicy_Bellows]

16. Yep. Bonafide.

To me, she says she doesn't need my vote, okey doke - run with that.

[RKP5637]

31. Yep, apparently she does not need Bernie supporters or Independents, surely Trump is

taking notes. The more she goes on, the more likely she's handing the GE to Trump.

[amborin]

17. wow, she came across as so angry, hard, arrogant, ugggh

[silvershadow]

23. This had to be her worst one yet, and that's saying something there.

can't wait to see her negatives climb drastically. nt

[arikara]

18. Worth watching

They say it like it is.

[BreakfastClub]

19. Your guy lost. It hurts. Get over it. nt

[beedle]

26. Hillary, it's that you?

Or did your arrogance grow to big to be contained to one body?

[CoffeeCat]

32. What does that have to do with the fact that Hillary has devolved

into a Disney-like villain?

She sounds completely off the rails.

How she's acting is the opposite of Presidential.

She's winning. Her campaign turned a corner. She can relax a bit and pivot toward the GE. Instead, she's like a rabid pole cat running on revenge, reminding everyone that she's the one with the upper hand!!!

She can't even fake basic decency!

I think she's lost it.

[winter is coming]

55. What I find interesting: when Bernie talks about possible endgames,

it sounds like he's acknowledging that his supporters are in this to back his positions, not Bernie himself, and Hillary would do well to adopt some of those positions if she wants to bring Bernie voters into her camp.

When Hillary talks about this, Bernie voters sound like a commodity that Bernie's supposed to deliver to her and she feels he's trying to extort something from her in exchange for them. The whole, "Not me, us," still eludes her.

How can she be "fighting for us" when she doesn't even see us as people?

[Unicorn]

20. This woman is delusional. She believes it.

She can't see what's going on.

In the issues, Hillary has always been on the wrong side of history. I think we're finding out why. She has no vision. She has no interest in listening to others to see what's going on. She has no clue.

If she wants to unify the party there is only one way to do that. Step down.

Bernie stepping down would not unify the party. A large percent of it still wouldn't vote for her.

[Agschmid]

83. .

[azurnoir]

24. and the best part is she said on Tee vee

no mistaking her intent here

[itsrobert]

27. TYT has jumped the shark

The young Turks have become the whiny Turks.

[beedle]

28. Thank you tone police.

Keep it up, Not my candidate's votes you're pissing away.

[apcalc]

29. both Sanders and Clinton are still in campaign mode

Let's see how it all plays out. I'm sure they'll talk.

[CoffeeCat]

30. The Clintons didn't care for the left before this primary began

and now they have complete and utter contempt for it.

Look at the contempt on her face, at the mere suggestion that she alter her ideas one iota, in order to unify the party with Sanders supporters--who by the way, are millions of people in the Democratic party--a point lost on her. Can you imagine Obama EVER saying anything like this in 2008? OMG.

Girfriend, please. There will be no unity. That's obvious from the contempt face. She seems unhinged.

I find it interesting. She's in a position now where she is closer to being the nominee. And this is how she acts. She's the opposite of a real leader--gracious, kind and above board. The more power that she perceives that she gets, the nastier she becomes.

This is why she would be such a horrible, dangerous president. The whole "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" applies here. Look at the unimaginable hubris she exhibited as SOS with her private, unsecure email server, than even President Obama didn't know about.

It's frightening to contemplate her in the White House.

[seabeyond]

35. Clintons voters are the left, more so than Sanders.

[CoffeeCat]

41. ....

[seabeyond]

42. Sanders needs the votes outside the Democratic Party. Clinton has the Democratic base.

[VulgarPoet]

72. Oh, bless their sweet, adorable, oh-so-precious heart...

[CoffeeCat]

74. I don't waste my words on responding to incoherent, wacky delusion

but I will take a second or two to post a smiley! hehe

[Hiraeth]

78. Can a national election be won by either party if only the BASE votes for the candidate?

She has the base? wheeeeeeeee!!

[YouDig]

33. She's absolutely right. She's beating Sanders by huge numbers of votes

and pledged delegates. This isn't a close race. The voters prefer her policies of those of Sanders, and for good reason. Why would she change her platform to be more like the one that the voters rejected?

In 2008, when she lost, she did the right thing an unified the party behind Obama. Sanders knows what is at stake here, and he'll do the same thing in time. He's a little sore right now from getting beaten so badly in New York, but time will fix that.

[seabeyond]

34. Only in a mans world does he feel righteous demanding the first woman President to adopt his policy.

[pinebox]

36. Stupid sexist statement is stupid

[PeaceNikki]

38. Ah, so that was your alert.

[seabeyond]

43. Every post. And ya....

Love the Gif.

[seabeyond]

39. Loser demanding the winner adopt his policy, while we voted the winner in, is stupid. You have

never, in the past, heard another man demand that the winner adopt his policy. Sanders mere arrogance? He seems to only have the audacity with a woman.

[pinebox]

44. Please. Quit the sexist crap.

Every election on both sides, it's commonplace for candidates to say that they want to see their opponents adapt positions which themselves see as important.

[seabeyond]

46. That is the only explaination I have The loser being arrogant enough to demand the winner adopt his

policy. I have never seen a man demand the winner adopt his policy, but with our first woman President.

You have your excuses. I have my reason.

[pinebox]

50. Again. More sexism.

You act as though because Hillary is a woman she should be treated special. Nothing Bernie said is unusual. Jeez. Man this, man that, leave Hillsry alone! Wah..

[seabeyond]

56. Never in the history of politics have we heard the loser demand the winner adopt his policy. Never.

In the history of politics have we heard the loser demand the winner adopt his policies, or else. Never.

And yet, this race, with the first woman president, we are listening to the loser demand the winner adopt his policy regardless of the fact that he is the loser and the people voted for the winner, along with HER policies. Not his. Yet, he feels he sits in enough privilege to demand she ignore those that voted for her, and do as he says.

What is the reason then? Give me a reasonable explanation to have never had a loser demand the winner take on his policy regardless of voters overwhelmingly voting for her policy.

[ieoeja]

76. Guess you missed the '96 Republican primary.

The RNC rejected Dole's party platform in favor of one closer to what Buchanan wanted.

It is very common for the loser to demand concessions for their support. Hillary, for instance, in 2008 demanded she be given the Secretary of State job.

In fact, it pretty much always happens.

[seabeyond]

77. lol

[PeaceNikki]

47. Results of your silly alert

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Absolutely a sexist statement

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:24 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

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Explanation: Absolutely a frivolous alert. People are entitled to an opinion.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[seabeyond]

48. Interesting. And every one will be alerted on with the same alerter's comment until they

get a Sanders friendly jury. I need to stop posting, so they have fewer posts to alert on to get me a two hide flag.

A couple old time Sanders supporters told me that their people didn't alert because they were progressive. Only the conservative Clinton supporters alert.

Ah ha....

[PeaceNikki]

49. I was juror #6

[seabeyond]

57. Ahhhhhh. LOl. Peace to you, peace. I find this whole conversation fascinating.

For the first time ever,. in the history of our policy, we have the loser demanding the winner adopt his policy. Regardless that the vaST MAJORITY VOTED FOR HER POLICY. tHIS MAN DEMANDS SHE ADOPT HIS POLICY. iF IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF (Sorry for the caps), of politics, what makes this race special that the loser would demand the winner adopt his policy? The only thing I can see is the privilege and arrogance of man, dictating to woman. I am open to suggestions? I am curious though. It is an interesting watch, for sure.

Thank you Peace.

[lumberjack_jeff]

81. This. Is. Stupid. n/t

[Nonhlanhla]

37. I'm "sure" this were her exact words. NOT

Where does Bernie get the gall from to demand that Hillary must adopt his platform in order for him to support her? Yes, this IS male entitlement. Ironically her platform already overlaps significantly with his, despite the distortions regularly offered by up Bernie folks, so she really does not need to adopt more of it.

She's right to say that her platform is her platform. You folks would not want her to..gasp... FLIP FLOP by adopting Bernie's ideas, would you?

[beedle]

62. Bernie demanded such thing

He said that in order for Clinton to attract the vote of people who supported Bernie she will need to address their concerns. He took himself out of the equation, this is about Clinton and the voters who didn't support her, not about Clinton and Bernie.

Bernie once again laid a bit of truth out there for Hillary to absorb, but as usual, she's making another poor judgment call.

Personally, Bernie telling me to vote for Hillary would be meaningless. I understand that for party politics Bernie might have to utter the words "I support Hillary and ask all the people who voted for me to hold their noses and support her in the GE", but she would need to change her policies and somehow ensure me that she was not just telling another Clinton LIE, before she would ever have my support.

[Nonhlanhla]

65. It is literally impossible for her to address their "concerns."

For many Bernie supporters, it's not about policy, but about their hatred of Hillary. At least from what I've seen. So there is no way for her to address that "concern."

For many Bernie supporters it's about policy ideas - ideas that Hillary cannot adopt because unlike Bernie she does not promise stuff that do not have a snowball's chance in hell of ever coming to fruition.

And many Bernie supporters have a very distorted idea of Hillary's ideas. What they will find as we go into GE mode is that they actually agree with her on a lot of ideas. Some will probably say she took them from Bernie. Meanwhile they have always been there.

Hillary should not have to promise to adopt Bernie's platform at this point. It is unreasonable of Bernie to make such demands. At least in public.

[LuvLoogie]

51. Bernie should made to wear an "I'm with Her" t-shirt at the convention.

Or else no prime time speech.

[SidDithers]

52. 1446 to 1205...

and the lead's gonna get bigger.

Sid

[djean111]

53. At least, hopefully, we won't keep being subjected to the constant whining and condescending and

authoritarian barrage of "unity" bullshit.

On the one hand, it was, for me, never possible to believe Hillary would budge from the right - and she ain't done sidling to the right yet - plus - who the hell would be so naive as to believe anything she says? Ever?

On the other hand - and frosting on that Third Way warmonger neocon cake - Hillary herself says she does not need the left. So, as far as I am concerned, all the Bernie, BUT bullshitters can just STFU.

What I am hearing from the millennials I know - they see and hear this stuff too. They look stuff up. Aside from some crazy shit that Congress would not let Trump do anyway - that "lesser of two evils" thing is up in the air, for them.

Someone who scoffs at them and is good with war and fracking and the TPP and crushing college debt and means-testing Social Security and adding restrictions to abortions - sounds just like a Republican, doesn't it?

[LonePirate]

54. I guess the misleading and mildly provocative headline is because she didn't bow and kiss their feet

It's tough to keep track of who thinks they are more entitled nowadays.

[beedle]

68. Watch the video ... listen carefully to the questions asked and the answers

Even Maddow, someone who seems uninterested in asking Hillary tough questions anymore, actually framed the question in the terms that was presented by Bernie when he was asked about supporting Hillary if/when she won.

He told the truth, not some platitude about him saying some pretty words pretending he was making an important decision for all his supporters ... he said basically that this was between Hillary and the people who currently support him. If she wants them to support her she needs to give them a reason to do so ... her answer was, if I'm being gracious, to tell Bernie to go get fucked, she won and she doesn't own anyone anything ... but assuming she understood the question she was asked, then her answer was basically tell Bernie's supporters that I won, and they can all go pound sand, if you don't like my policies well too bad for you."

The headline was mine, and I had a lot more 'provocative' headlines in mind, but in terms of what she actually said, and the way she said it, well IMO I was being more than kind in the headline I used.

I assume you are saying this because you didn't even bother to watch the video, or if you did you didn't pay any attention at all to the question or the answer given.

[LonePirate]

84. I watched the video, listened to her answer and you are completely mischaracterizing it.

At no point does she tell Sanders supporters to get bent or however you wish to describe it. She simply restates that she has been running on issues and opinions which her voters have supported with numbers larger than the numbers for Bernie. Your OP reads as an unfair condemnation of what she actually said because she did not bend over backwards or kowtow to every specific whim of Bernie's supporters.

She's well within her righ to tell Bernie's supporters to take their extortion and go to hell. She never said anything close to that but your post suggests she did, which is deceitful to say the least. Hate on Hillary all you want as I don't care; but you should at least be honest with your characterizations, especially when you provide proof that your characterization is false.

[beedle]

85. Which 'extortion' are you talking about?

Since when has it become "EXTORTION" to tell a politician what you expect from them in order for them to expect your vote?

What a pile of entitled bullshit ... anything else her royal highness expects from the voters in order for her to allow us to vote for her?

You do understand Hillary is asking for our vote, not the other way around right? Extortion? Jesus H. Christ that was the dumbest twisting of the democratic process I have ever heard.

[dr60omg]

58. I will never vote for her ever ever ever

I don't care if Bernie Sanders, Jesus Christ, G-d or whatever demands I support her. I will NOT

[seabeyond]

66. O.K.

[kstewart33]

59. She didn't say that at all.

She said she is winning and so let's start with that fact.

It's a fact, so what's the problem?

[writes3000]

61. But Facts hurt their feelings!!!!!

[beedle]

70. And then she said she was going to do what ...

... to try and achieve some form of party unity?

Demand that Bernie supporters just shut the fuck up and do as she tells them? Or did she suggest some policies that would attract Bernie supporters?

No, she basically said 'fuck off' ... meaning she is going to count on her Democratic party base to ignore all the triangulation she is going to be doing in the GE, and all the selling out to Republican voters and the right wing that she is going to have to attempt in order to achieve her goal of making everything all about her.

[lumberjack_jeff]

82. What she said is "fuck you, Sanders losers."

She could have tossed the tiniest scrap of bone, but her ego won't allow it.

She lost my vote.

[ViseGrip]

60. How could she have said that?? OMFG!

[VulgarPoet]

63. Considering we've been called neo-nazis, misogynists, racists, tea partiers, lunatics, et cetera

This is just the last nail in the coffin. Vete al infierno, Abuela; and take the rest of your corruptocratic movement with you.

[seabeyond]

67. The very last nail. That is IT! Done. Am I right?

[VulgarPoet]

73. Probably not, to be fair.

After all, how many nails do you need for 242,000 coffins? I doubt she's done.

[seabeyond]

75. Sanders was sitting right next to her. That one vote does not get him out of it with all the rest of

the votes pounding int he nails. Hence, a hypocrite.

[Marrah_G]

69. She will find that type of attitude won't win her any new voters

[lumberjack_jeff]

80. What percent of the population actually like this person?

She works really hard at keeping that club as exclusive as possible.

[Octafish]

87. Nice question.

By the time Hillary got to answer, she knew exactly what to say.